Brian on WTKA this morning

Brian on WTKA this morning

Submitted by M-Wolverine on December 2nd, 2010 at 10:28 AM

This one had it all...anger...denial....Brian fed up....Brian asking for apologies....Stand Edwards asking for apologies...even 45 seconds of basketball talk....and probably more opinion than we've gotten from Brian since at least Monday. I won't go so far as to say it's juicy, but you can tell there's a lot of emotions out there this week.

10a - Brian Cook and Craig Ross on Michigan football

10b - Brian Cook and Craig Ross on Michigan football

11a - Brian Cook and Craig Ross Seg 2

11b - Brian Cook and Craig Ross Seg 2

12 - Brian Cook and Craig Ross Seg 3

Not Really CC: SF media is as bad as Michigan's media

Not Really CC: SF media is as bad as Michigan's media

Submitted by michgoblue on December 2nd, 2010 at 10:15 AM

Below is an article discussing the possibility of Harbaugh leaving Stanford for Michigan.  I am NOT posting it for a coaching change ("CC") discussion - the article contains NO information, just opinion from some San Fransisco Examiner writer.

I am posting it because I think that the inaccuracies are hysterical:

1.  Our AD is named David Barron.  I hope that this Barron dude is more decisive than Brandon.  (/s)

2.  This Barron, our AD, was a former Michigan QB. 

3.  RR had a top 10 recruiting class.

4.  We were widely expected to contend to win the B10 this year.  Really?  By whom?  We didn't even start the season ranked.

Just thought that this was entertaining.  If their current gigs don't work out, Sharp, Henning, Rosenberg and company could probably get jobs at the SF Examiner - their lack of interest in the facts would fit in great there.

CC - Brandon's timetable and the CFB coaching carousel

CC - Brandon's timetable and the CFB coaching carousel

Submitted by Mitch Cumstein on December 2nd, 2010 at 10:02 AM

I came across an interesting website last night and took a stroll down memory lane.

Looking back at the last couple years of coaching hires, it seems that really the only hires after the bowl games were by schools that were in a bind, or had a spur of the moment coaching change not based on performance.

For example, last year the only BCS conference schools to name head coaches after Jan 1st were Vandy (surprise retirement), South Florida(Leavitt fired on Jan 8 for mistreating a player), Texas Tech (Leach vs James family saga), USC (Carrol bolted for the NFL), Tennessee (Kiffin bolted for USC, sucker), and finally Kentucky (which was more of a hand picked successor situation from what I understand and doesn't really belong on this list). This year seemed to have a lot more activity after Jan 1 than previous years (given the theme of player abuse). When it comes to coaching movement, it is my impression that the BCS schools control the non-AQ schools. Essentially upward movement of coaches from non-AQ to BCS schools causes non-AQ movement later.

If we look at the year before last, we see fewer coaching changes after Jan 1. The exception being Oregon, who hire Kelly after Belotti retired from coaching. The only other one I see (I could be missing others) is that BC had a vacancy after Jagodzinski was fired after interviewing for NFL jobs against the ADs wishes. The information above is just a summary from the link I posted, you can read more there.

My point, is that it seems to me (granted a small sample size of an inherently stochastic process) that coaching changes after Jan 1st of BCS schools are usually unexpected. That being said, is it possible that Brandon's decision to wait to evaluate the staff after the bowl game will start a new trend and push back some of the coaching carousel this year? Possibly in future years if other ADs like the idea? No doubt we have a talented staff which would be in high demand elsewhere. Is there any chance that schools would wait to fill their vacancies for Brandon's decision to see if they could poach some of RR's staff, either as assistants of head coaches (most likely for non-AQ schools for everyone except RR)? This is an obvious gamble b/c if RR and staff are retained they essentially waited for nothing.

A disclaimer: I'm not looking for speculation on whether or not RR will be fired. My point is that Brandon seems to be bucking the trend and I wonder if this will have an effect on college football in general. Also, any discussion of historical coaching changes (or retentions of staff on hot seats) at other schools similar to this one is more than welcome. Also, I realize I could have posted this in the "Why Brandon is waiting" thread. I decided not to b/c this is really a different focus than that thread's intention and I didn't want this discussion to get buried under atom bombs and boobies.

EDIT: sorry about the formatting, that was a n00b move to use the plain text editor

Rocko Khoury's brother?

Rocko Khoury's brother?

Submitted by kaykaybroke on December 2nd, 2010 at 9:49 AM

Strolling through prospects on rivals, and a name jumped out at me..Khoury

Could this be rocko khoury's brother? They're both from traverse city so there's a good shot, but he's only a freshman right now so there's time before he enters the recruiting scene.

Lists michigan as one of his schools though so that's interesting, he's one of the only 2014 prospects that actually have a list of schools.


plays defensive tackle, and is 6'2! as a freshman!

Shannon vs Heater

Shannon vs Heater

Submitted by fatbastard on December 2nd, 2010 at 1:38 AM

Let us assume that we retain coach Rodriguez. Most of the fanbase assumes that Gerg won't be. At the very least there will likely be two or three defensive coaches let go.

Candidates for the defensive coordinator position might include:

Bruce Tall:   I assume this is unlikely. The defense has been poor enough that it would be hard to justify elevatingthe best position coach on what seems to be a weak staff. On the other hand if rodriguez is going to want his dc to play a 335 regardless of experience with it, Tall is probably better suited to do that than gerg.  It would be hard to be worse. Ultimately, I believe that Brandon will want someone with a proven record and more appealing to the masses. So should rodriguez--he may only have one more year to prove himself.

Chuck Heater:   If he's available this would seem to be a good fit. Michigan ties. Florida plays a tough style of defense which we expect to play. The fans for mchigan would embrace him because he played here and has had good success in the ESS-EEE-SEE. The DC job for heater would be an upgrade for him and could be a stepping stone to a head coach consideration here or elsewhere depending on how thngs go.

Randy Shannon:   Probably a pipe dream since he will likely have a shot at a head coach position for a lower level major cnference school like Minnesota, Mississippi State, Maryland. It's likely he would choose that option if available. He'd be a good fit though. We already focus heavily on recruiting Florida and his ties there would further that connection. He's also the type of coach who could be hired and paid well and allow Rodriguez to continue to be very hands off with the defense. From the little I have read, Shannon places significant effort on kids going to class and staying out of trouble and would be a good fit with Rodriguez from that perspective.  With his defensive track record Brandon would approve and likely be willing to pay. He's recently mentioned that the coach here is gven a lot and a lot is expected. This would certainly fit hat description and potentially se up a solid defensive staff for a couple of years unless or until Shannon were offered a good head coachng position or Rodriguez let go. if we,re willing to pay LSU type assistant money there could be a chance toland him. Detractors would correctly say that he doesn't have Michigan or Big 10 experience, but his track record would appease most fans (at least for a year or two).

Jim Herman: doubtful. He'd be an improvement over what we have. He's familar with the program. That however may actually be a reason he wouldn't be cnsided. RR has spent a signifcant amount of effort and time changing the way thngs were done before him. RR would likely feel threatened by that move and it's probably an impossibility for that reason.

My choice would be Shannon. I doubt he'll be available. I'd take Heater. Either would appease the alums and donors for a year or two. By then well know if Rodriguez is the guy.

CC: Rich Rodriguez vs John L Smith (not all negative)

CC: Rich Rodriguez vs John L Smith (not all negative)

Submitted by MichiganFootball on December 1st, 2010 at 11:48 PM

This is probably a bad idea right now the way people are divided and I'm not making this comparison with negative intentions (though for Rich Rodriguez supporters, just mentioning the name John L Smith is bad enough, the guy's reputation is radioactive).  And just for full disclosure I'll say up front that I would be in favor of getting rid of Rich Rodriguez and replacing him with Harbaugh.

All that said, this probably won't go over well but all I'm really trying to put forth is the stats (and let people draw their own conclusions). Maybe this against my better judgement and I'm just asking for trouble/being overly provactive. All I can say is that I'm not intentionally starting to stir up trouble. Going to try and just present the data and let people draw their own conclusions. With that said, I think the year three comparison of the two coaches is troubling. 

Went with this comparison for three reasons

1) John L Smith represents the worst case scenario. Those who want to get rid of Rich Rodriguez fear that we just have another version of John L Smith (whether this fear is justified or not). Someone who gets the job done on the offensive side of the ball, but who can't build a complete team. And to be clear, there's no definitive answer here.    

2) Easy comparison because John L Smith is someone who most Michigan fans are pretty familiar with.

3)From what I remember (and my memory of the John L Smith years has faded a bit) there were similiar kinds of problems. Good offense, bad defense (especially secondary wise). Had the tendancy to start the season well, but fade once MSU hit the meat of their schedule.

Below are relevant stats that I've pulled

Record for three years before Rodriguez or John L Smith

  MSU U of M
Year 1 5-6 7-5
Year 2 7-5 11-2
Year 3 4-8 9-4

Year One Comparison

  John L Smith Rich Rodriguez
Record 8-5 (started 7-1) 3-9
Total Yards 367.38 yards per game (73rd) 290.75 yards per game (109th)
Passing Yards 270 yards per game (23rd) 143.17 yards per game (108th)
Rushing Yards 97.38 yards per game (111th) 147.58 yards per game (59th)
Points 27.92 points per game (49th) 20.25 points per game (101st)
Total Yards 379.92 yards per game(62nd) 366.92 yards per game (67th)
Passing Yards 255.15 yards per game(97th) 230 yards per game (87th)
Rushing Yards 124.8 yards per game(27th) 136.92 yards per game (50th)
Points 22.5 points per game (40th) 28.92 points per game (84th)  

Year Two Comparison

  John L Smith Rich Rodriguez
Record 5-7 5-7 (started 4-0)
Total Yards 460 yards per game (10th) 384.50 yards per game (59th)
Passing Yards 221.50 yards per game (51st) 198.33 yards per game (81st)
Rushing Yards 238.50 yards per game (10th) 186.17 yards per game (25th)
Points 29.42 points per game (38th) 29.50 points per game (41st)
Total Yards 381.42 yards per game (42nd) 393.33 yards per game (82nd)
Passing Yards 209 yards per game (54th) 221.42 yards per game (67th)
Rushing Yards 172.42 yards per game (73rd) 171.92 yards per game (91st)
Points 27.17 points per game (72nd) 27.50 points per game (77th)

Year Three Comparison

  John L Smith Rich Rodriguez
Record 5-6(started 4-0) 7-5 (started 5-0)
Total Yards 497.27 yards per game (5th) 500.92 yards per game (6th)
Passing Yards 295.45 yards per game (11th) 249.83 yards per game (34th)
Rushing Yards 201.82 yards per game (20th) 251.08 yards per game (11th)
Points 33.82 points per game (18th) 34.33 points per game (23rd)
Total Yards 409.55 yards per game (87th) 447.92 yards per game (109th)
Passing Yards 244.91 yards per game (85th) 260.25 yards per game (110th)
Rushing Yards 164.64 yards per game(76th) 187.67 yards per game (94th)
Points 28.73 points per game (77th) 33.83 yards per game (102nd)

John L Smith Year 4

Record 4-8 (started season 3-0)
Total Yards 356.75 yards per game (48th)
Passing Yards 227.58 yards per game (35th)
Rushing Yards 129.17 yards per game (65th)
Points 25.17 points per game (52nd)
Total Yards 363.75 yards per game (88th)
Passing Yards 230.92 yards per game (97th)
Rushing Yards 132.83 yards per game (56th)
Points 28.73 points per game (77th)

I was too lazy to do so, but another data point that's probably worth taking into account are the relevant offensive and defensive measures in the three years prior to RichRod and John L Smith. This also doesn't take into account attrition numbers that each coach had to deal with (well documentated in Rich Rodriguez's case, no idea when it comes to MSU).

Editing Notes: made some changes with stats so presentation is better plus fixed typo in title.

which is worse: the "RR must go" crowd or World Cup Soccer on MGoBlog

which is worse: the "RR must go" crowd or World Cup Soccer on MGoBlog

Submitted by Blue Blue Blue on December 1st, 2010 at 11:12 PM

so the "RR must go" crowd has all the credibility of the Tea Party.   tired, negative, the glass is always half empty.

it has gotten as bad as the halcyon days ot World Cup Soccer, when suddenly Albania vs Botwswana was front page news here.

Semi-OT: DB Albert Louis-Jean Decommits from Miami

Semi-OT: DB Albert Louis-Jean Decommits from Miami

Submitted by BKFinest on December 1st, 2010 at 10:20 PM

As per Rivals. However, seems as if Penn State is leading for him. So much for snagging one of the Miami decommits post-Shannon.

"Penn State clearly team to beat for Louis-Jean now followed by BC. Dark horse? Oregon. Watch for the Ducks." -- Mike Farrell, Rivals