CC: The MGoBubble

CC: The MGoBubble

Submitted by dahblue on December 3rd, 2010 at 11:35 AM

The current uncertainty with the football program seems to have strengthened what I call "the MGoBubble".  This is a bubble whereby those who disagree with the opinions of the vast majority of Michigan fans (roughly 75% of whom want RR fired...if you can believe a highly unscientific poll in the News) and sports media (booooo MSM!  boooo!!!) angrily retreat to avoid hearing that which is not what they want to believe.

I know that I risk an epic negbomb, but I assume the risk in making the present post.  There are a number of great things about RichRod.  He is clearly doing everything he can to turn our program into a winner; he cares deeply about his players; his offense is innovative and explosive; he produced winning records at other programs; and, he is a Michigan Man.  I know...that last one is a touchy point, but to me, if you put your heart and soul into coaching our Wolverines, then you've earned the title.  Rich has.

There are also a number of things about RichRod's performance that indicate he might not be the guy for the job.  In posting this, I merely hope to pierce the MGoBubble.  To take the blinders off of those who would attack any messenger who dare note a problem with the team.  There is no problem with defending the coach, but please, can those in the bubble cease with the:

-My 13 year old gets it buy you don't
-Only an idiot would consider firing RR...he deserves an extension, douchebag!
-You're not a fan; you're an asshole!
-You're not "All In".
-Haters gonna hate images
-Kitten pictures
-Pictures of explosions

Then, there's the litany of excuses:

-"It's Carr's fault (one poster even blamed our current problems on the emotional damage that Carr did to the team in retiring)."
-"It's the media's fault" (and yes, we can still all agree the Freep was well out-of-bounds)
-"It's the fans fault."
-"It's Scott Schafer's fault"
-"It's Greg Robinson's fault"
-"It's Jamie Morris's fault"
-"Things are great now; I don't count the first year"
-"Things are great now; I don't count the first or second year"

Here's the bottom line...If you've raised an excuse (or perhaps, "explanation")...then you, somewhere, somehow understand that there is a problem that merits discussion.  Defending the performance of RR (explosive offense, good guy, etc.) is just as valid as arguing that he hasn't done enough to prove he can lead the program to the NC level (which is what he was hired to do).  If you're defending RR, however, maybe drop the angry attacks and take a peek outside of the bubble to understand that all of those people who disagree with you (there are a ton) might have some valid thoughts.

-It's fair to note that the young defense has no depth as 32% of defensive commits have left the program under RichRod (again, that doesn't mean he's a bag guy, or that there aren't reasons kids left, but it's a statistical reality).
-It's fair to note that we haven't beaten OSU or MSU under RR.
-It's fair to note that our potent offense has not been as potent against top half Big Ten competition. (or that RR hasn't beaten a Big Ten team with a winning conference record)
-It's fair to note that we weren't a garbage program before RR got here and that RR's improvement from 3-9 kinda ignores the lengthy history before that season.

This blog is great.  The bubble is not.  Go Blue!

Bowl game line-up

Bowl game line-up

Submitted by mGrowOld on December 3rd, 2010 at 11:34 AM

Warning - this post contains no coaching discussion points and focuses entirely on football.  For those of you expecting the usual "fire RR/no keep RR" post  I sure that will undoubtedly come up next on the board.

I am very much looking forward to our bowl game as we will be as healthy for that contest as we have been since Connecticut.  One of the many causalities of a young team is lack of depth and our ability to overcome injuries has been severely hampered by our lack of able bodies.  Take a look at the injury report for the OSU game:


Hemingway, Junior                Head



Gallon, Jeremy                       Shoulder

Martin, Mike                              Ankle

Roh, Craig                               Head

Smith, Vince                            Head

Stonum, Darryl                        Ankle


Not on this list but certainly not at 100% was Shaw, Lewan and even Robinson.  Tate was banged up too but playing through it when called upon.   I'm sure there were lots of other unreported  "walking wounded" that we never really heard about too.  So our team was a shell of what it started out to be and I think the results show that.

The bowl game however gives all the guys 30 days to rest and get well.  I am expecting a VERY different team to emerge as we get the players back at full strength and I think the results will show it. 

I didn't include the players lost for the season because they will obviously not be back but based on the guys returning to health I am predicting a Michigan win. And I believe this regardless of who we get matched up with because we will have the players back to make that happen for the first time in a very, very long while.





RR's Quote about "wanting to be a Michigan Man"

RR's Quote about "wanting to be a Michigan Man"

Submitted by michgoblue on December 3rd, 2010 at 11:21 AM

As a preface, as most of you know, I was a strong RR supporter, but since mid-season, I have joined the ranks of those who think that RR should probably not be back next year. 

So I logged on to MGoBlog this morning to see if there was any actual insight (not the Bowl)to be gained from the Bust last night.  And I see that certain members of the MSM and some posters are trashing RR's quote that he "wants to be a Michigan Man."

Are you freeking kidding me?  This is what our fanbase is reduced to?  Criticizing Coach for being honest and humble in his speech at a team Bust?  To me, RR's statement that he wants to be a Michigan Man was one of the most sincere, emotionally-open statement I can recall a coach giving. 

He is acknowledging that within our alumni and fan base, there is a concept of a Michigan Man.  He is acknowledging that many do not accept him as a Michigan Man.  And, most importantly, he is expressing his honest desire to gain acceptance to that designation.  He is recognizing that just because he was hired to coach the team, that does not automatically make him a Michigan Man. 

To me, that statement alone makes RR a Michigan Man.  From what I have read of the bust, RR handled himself with dignity and class, and in a manner that makes me proud to have him as our coach. 

While I still have reservations as to whether he can survive the shitstorm that he has faced, RR is a class act who is deserving of all of our respect and pride.  He certainly does not deserve to have his statements twisted and mischaracterized as they have been.



Submitted by trueblue262 on December 3rd, 2010 at 11:08 AM

I couldn't think of anything better for a title. But, we lost out on Dee Hart today. Boo frickin' hoo! We have Justice Hayes, and a good shot at some others. But more importantly we have a good RB crew that is currently on the Michigan Football roster, and they are ALL IN. Dee Hart would have been a good addition but he had doubts about Michigan for whatever reason.

So lets move forward with our Michigan Men and support them the way we should.

Today, Dee Hart officially becomes a different sort of target for Michigan. One that we will take aim at in Sept of 2012. We want guys to HAIL........not guys that BAIL! Go Blue!

RR at Miami

RR at Miami

Submitted by Motown20 on December 3rd, 2010 at 10:26 AM

If RR is let go, my hope for him is that he is hired at Miami.  He does so well with recruiting now, can you imagine what he would do "in state".  Then people wouldn't be able to complain about his recruiting any longer.  He might even get Dee to join.  How ironic would that be?

Whose University is it? - What is the role of Alumni?

Whose University is it? - What is the role of Alumni?

Submitted by UMdad on December 3rd, 2010 at 10:09 AM

This is a public University, so the easy answer is that the University of Michigan is the State of Michigan's.  In reality, though, I think that the University belongs to those of us who have attended or are attending.  The University is a body of people, past and present, a history and future as well as the buildings on campus.  Having said that, I want to object to the people here who continually argue that David Brandon needs to ignore the old, out of touch alumni.  I don't want this to degrade into a cc discussion, so I am going to remind everyone that there are pro-RR and anti-RR alumns.  I think that it would be an arrogant travesty for the 20 thousand kids attending the University currently and the people on staff at the present time to disregard the opinions of the hundreds of thousands of people who were there before them.  Why shouldn't the opinions of all alumni, former players, major boosters, etc. weigh heavily into any coaching decision?

Not a Chance This is Off-Topic

Not a Chance This is Off-Topic

Submitted by jg2112 on December 3rd, 2010 at 10:05 AM

When I am down and, oh my soul, so weary;
When troubles come and my heart burdened be;
Then, I am still and wait here in the silence,
Until you come and sit awhile with me.

You raise me up, so I can stand on mountains;
You raise me up, to walk on stormy seas;
I am strong, when I am on your shoulders;
You raise me up: To more than I can be.

You raise me up, so I can stand on mountains;
You raise me up, to walk on stormy seas;
I am strong, when I am on your shoulders;
You raise me up: To more than I can be.

There is no life - no life without its hunger;
Each restless heart beats so imperfectly;
But when you come and I am filled with wonder,
Sometimes, I think I glimpse eternity.

You raise me up, so I can stand on mountains;
You raise me up, to walk on stormy seas;
I am strong, when I am on your shoulders;
You raise me up: To more than I can be.

You raise me up, so I can stand on mountains;
You raise me up, to walk on stormy seas;
I am strong, when I am on your shoulders;
You raise me up: To more than I can be.

CC: Wow. My 13 year old gets it. "WE" don't.

CC: Wow. My 13 year old gets it. "WE" don't.

Submitted by myrtlebeachmai… on December 3rd, 2010 at 9:45 AM

[Ed-M: knocked down to board 'cause it's not informative (unless you're waiting for a 13-year-old's opinion before casting your vote* on Rodriguez/Harbaugh). That doesn't mean you shouldn't read it.

* you don't actually have a vote.]

I've tried to stay away, or disinterested, from much of the junk on here lately (post OSU thoughts, RR/DB, Dee etc).  It makes me mad at "us".  Now, after a conversation, with an albeit more mature than his age, 13 year old, I'm just sad for us.

He asked me, "What 'decision' are we waiting for DB to make?  It's not like he has to decide whether or not to re-hire RR, he's already our coach."  He gets that a coach can be fired before his contract is up, he also gets that there's been some disappointment this year, in losses to rivals, the defense, injuries, etc.

He compared "the decision" (termed more apporpriately, "the season-ending 'review'") to getting the 30,000 mile maintenance done on our car.  "He's not 'expecting' to find anything majorly wrong, yet it needs done, and if something is, he'll fix it", was his analogy.

He wonders why DB would find anything wrong (at least with RR), mentioning: how everyone loves our players RR brought in; how RR doesn't seem near the jerk he was made out to be by the WVU people, and he's "definitely not Dantonio"; how we've had a better record each year; how much he loves the offense (much more Playstation "big play" condusive than 3 yards and a cloud of dust;  how we have a Heisman potential Denard; how the guys RR brought made Brock walk again, etc... you know all the good stuff.

He also knows it still sucks to be outnumbered around here by OSU fans, and his die-hard PSU aunt.  He can't wait until we can shut them up.  He knows how bad our D was and hopes they get better.  Yet he stays optimistic, and believes in us.

He also loves reading some of this blog.  He follows recruiting fairly closely.  He really doesn't understand how other UM fans want to lash out publicly at DB, coaches, players, or even recruits.  He thinks if he was being recruited, he'd be on here pretty often keeping track of UM.  He says "It all seems like such a confusing mess right now, no wonder Dee left."  Granted, this blog isn't responible for that, yet the crazy and disheartening media/fan reaction likely are.

I told him when we're done with the bowl game, DB will finish his review and we'll find out if any "major" issues popped up that overrode the positives;  otherwise, if there aren't any, we probably won't even heaar anything and RR will continue working daily to make us better.  He's content with that, and to wait and "check back" to see what happens. 

Sadly, I wish more of "us" were too.

Rittenberg on UM Banquet

Rittenberg on UM Banquet

Submitted by winterblue75 on December 3rd, 2010 at 9:40 AM

Rittenberg (who has quite a bit of respect from the board being a MSM member) doesn't think RR's emotions/words last night were very helpful to his cause as remaining head coach.

Rich Rodriguez, three years into his tenure, shouldn't have to be saying things like, "I hope you realize I want to be a Michigan man." His emotions were genuine Thursday night, and while he's trying to fire up his constituency, you have to question his confidence right now.

Does Rodriguez sound emboldened or desperate? Or a little bit of both?

He needs his boss, Dave Brandon, to make a decision on whether or not he'll return in 2011. Letting this drag on until after Michigan's bowl game doesn't serve the current players, the coaches, the verbally committed recruits or the fans.

I wasn't there tonight, but I can't imagine Brandon came away thrilled by what he saw and heard from his head coach.

Recruiting and Commitments; Generally

Recruiting and Commitments; Generally

Submitted by profitgoblue on December 3rd, 2010 at 9:30 AM

Backstory:  I put Little Profitgoblue to bed last night (and fell asleep on his floor for a few minutes in the process) and, after waking up), headed downstairs to watch some TV with the wife and play on the iPad.  Because I am unable to resist, I of course checked my beloved MGoBlog and the night went downhill from there . . .

The Dee Hart drama got me thinking:  What is the point of having 18-year old kids "commit" to a university days/weeks/months/years before enrollment day?  Why does the NCAA even allow such a process to occur?

Merriam-Webster's defines "commitment" as being "an act of committing to a trust or charge."  Put differently, by definition, a "commitment" creates an obligation of an individual or item, a binding of one's self.

Obviously, football programs plan their upcoming roster (and rosters of following years) in reliance on these "commitments" that they receive.  With Michigan's 2011 class, for example, I assume Rodriguez was extremely pleased with Hart's "commitment" and the staff was then able to move focus to other positions knowing that their quota for RBs was filled.   However, my understanding of the process is that schools continue to be allowed to make contact with kids that are "committed" to other schools.  I have to assume that people at Alabama were in Hart's ear just as I assume that people at Michigan are in the ears of kids that have "committed" to other schools.  If so, and if these contacts are either allowed or not regulated by the NCAA, what is the point of having a "commitment" process at all?

I do not fault any high-schooler for waffling or changing their mind, even multiple times.  For many, this may be the most important decision that they make in their lives.  A decision based solely on academics is exponentially easier in my opinion, if only because most kids never even think to consider whether a certain Dean or certain professor will be there when they enroll.  But for kids that make the decision based on their desire to play in the NFL, the decision must be excruciating.  Add to that the fear in this day and age the fact that the coach you developed a strong relationship with might not be there next year?  Its almost a damned if you do - damned if you don't kind of situation.

My hope is that this thread helps others gain some perspective with respect to Dee Hart's decision.  It took me first freaking out last night and then feeling depressed, thereby ruining my night, to really think about the process and gain some understanding with respect to what these kids go through in the decision-making process.  For what its worth, I blame the NCAA.