Inside the Boxscore - Team 133, Game 9

Inside the Boxscore - Team 133, Game 9

Submitted by ST3 on November 4th, 2012 at 6:56 PM

    It's Michigan versus Minnesota week, at Minnesota, which means one thing. A University of Michigan quarterback is going to have a career day. In 2008, Nick Sheridan was 18 of 30 for 203 yards and a 127.8 QB rating. In 2006, Chad Henne was 17 of 24 for 284 yards, 3 TDs, and a QB rating of 211.5. That may not have been his best performance, but I don't ever remember seeing a QB rating greater than 200. In 2003, John Navarre was 33 for 47 for 353 yards and 2 TDs. During my college years, we put up these scoring numbers at Minnesota: 49, 52, 58, and 44 ('89, '91, '93, '96.) I guess what I'm saying is, we shouldn't have been surprised by what transpired yesterday, but after that first quarter, I'm betting that I'm not the only one that was shocked by the next three quarters. After 9 consecutive TD-less quarters, we scored 5 in the next 3.



Burst of Impetus
* We stopped Minnesota early on a 4th and 1, but promptly turned the ball over on an INT, so net impetus = 0.
* Michigan started the 2nd quarter trailing Minnesota 7-0, with the ball at our own 9 yard line, due to less than special special teams. Rawls got the ball for 4 of the next 5 plays, and we pushed the ball out to our 34. However, the drive was about to stall as we faced 3rd and 17 from the Minnesota 45. Gardner was chased out of the pocket, did some Gardner things, and found Dileo WIDE open in the end zone. Boom, 7-7. The team collectively took a deep breath, regained their confidence, and controlled the impetus for the rest of the game.
* Minnesota had a chance to get right back in the game in the 3rd quarter, but decided to run a fake FG on 4th and 16. It would have been a great call on 4th and 1 or 2, or even 5, but 4th and 16?

Malachi Crunch
* 22 Michigan defenders recorded a defensive stat, lead by linebackers Kenny Demens and Jake Ryan with 10 and 9 tackles, respectively.
* Our one sack was from a patented Jordan Kovacs heat-seaking-missile style blitz that also forced a fumble. Unfortunately, that was the only pressure on Minnesota's QB, as Michigan registered 0 QHs.
* Michigan recorded 7 TFLs, led by Ryan with 3. He returned to super-human status this week.
* Floyd had 2 pass breakups and Morgan had 1.
* Minnesota was held to only 275 yards total offense. However, they managed to eek out 21 first downs from those meager yards.

Ermahgerd Dehrvern ERMAHGERDNER
* Gardner threw an early INT, but then settled down. That's what experience will do for you.
* He finished 12 of 18 for 234 yards and two TDs passing.
* Gardner also ran 10 times for 21 yards and a TD, but subtracting sacks he was 7 for 44, for a healthy 6.3 YPC. He also showed an ability, time and again, to make the first tackler miss.
* For anyone who thinks height is overrated in a QB, the Devin/Denard case study should be exhibit A. I got the sense that Devin's height allowed him to see open receivers better, particularly on the bomb to Dileo.

Bunches of Funchess
* Michigan receivers had long catches of 47, 45, 47, and 22 yards. It was that kind of day.
* Jeremy Gallon caught four balls for 72 yards and a TD. Chris Martin of the B1G Network continuously criticized Gallon for being inconsistent this season. Has anyone in the MGoUniverse felt like that? Where did that comment even come from? I wouldn't make a big deal of it, if he only said it once, but he must've come back to that three more times during the telecast. Did someone tell Martin that Gallon was a pre-season All-American, or something? I just don't get it. I'll take Jeremy Gallon on my team any day.

And Justice for Rawls
* Is Thomas Rawls our new #1 running back? Except for Toussaint's last run, I'd have to say yes. Rawls had three more carries than Fitz, and they were about even in yards until Fitz' last run. Granted, I'm just a casual fan watching from home, but I see Rawls break tackles, move the pile, and fall forward for extra yards. I see Fitz getting brought down by the first defender he faces.
* Fitz, Rawls, and Gardner all ran for TDs.

Norf and Souf
* Ugh, where do we begin. Our net yards per kickoff was 33.8. Their net was 43.7. Our net punt was 29.3 yards. Their net was 41.3. So every time we had an exchange of punts or kickoffs, they gained the equivalent of a first down.
* Even Norfleet comes in for a little blame this week, as he brought one kickoff out of the endzone that he should have downed. We had a penalty on the play and started the drive at our 9. When you are starting a new QB in the 9th week of the season and he's been practicing at WR all year, I want to give him every chance for success. Starting from the 25 instead of the 9 could have been a big advantage. However, it didn't matter this week as we had scoring drives of 91, 90, 86, 79, and 50 yards.

* Jerry Kill did not appear to agree with a pass interference penalty against his gophers. I hope the lip readers at home weren't easily offended. I tend to think that shoving a WR with both hands in the chest, and then grabbing an arm to prevent the receiver from reaching for the ball is pass interference, but maybe that's just me. The refs may have felt bad for Jerry, because they appeared to give the gophers three make up call PI penalties on a drive later in the game.

Random Bullets
* Memo to the B1G Network: No more Chris Martin, please. And by the way, a 45 yard TD pass does not count as a Red zone score. You actually have to be in the red zone for that to occur.
* Minnesota had some great names, lead by Martez Shabazz and their kicker, J. Wettstein. Sorry Minnesota, no little brown jug for you, but at least you have a wet stein. Lincoln Plsek caught a pass, now he just needs to buy a vowel. And Cam Botticelli made three tackles. Somewhere, Elaine Benis is asking why I'm writing about her shoes. (I know that's a stretch, but I had to continue the sitcom theme we've been exploring this year.)
* How about a little game theory from ItBS. Why did Minnesota spike the ball with 16 seconds and two timeouts left in the first half? They proceeded to throw two incomplete passes and miss a 55 yard FG with 2 timeouts still in their pocket. Also, I'd normally agree with Kill going for it on 4th and 1 early from our 40, but under the circumstances, I think you punt the ball and keep the pressure on Gardner.

Outside the Boxscore
* I spent a lot of time last year discussing our myriad uniform combinations - throwbacks, shoulder stripes, pink accents, helmet numbers, etc. Fortunately, I haven't had to go there this year. But I did notice something on the base of the Minnesota players' helmets. It says "Ski-U-Mah." Being the inquisitive sort, I started looking into the origin of this. It dates way back to the old tongue of the Sioux nation. Apparently, Ski-U-Mah is Sioux for "Man without jug."

Buckeye memories (part one)

Buckeye memories (part one)

Submitted by k.o.k.Law on November 4th, 2012 at 2:26 PM

(fact checkers, knock yourselves out, am going purely off memory)


I walked by the TV my Dad was watching, asked him who was playing. Michigan – Ohio State. About 60,000 in the stands, not a vintage year for UM or Ohio. I watched maybe 3 plays. We lost.

In fact, one week that year Notre Dame, Indiana, and Purdue were all ranked in the top ten.

Purdue, Minnesota, yes, and, Indiana all tied for first. Purdue having gone the year before, it was ineligible for the Rose Bowl.

Next tie-breaker: who went most recently. The Gophers actually subbed for the Buckeyes in 62, when the faculty vote went against Woody, as they saw no reason why Ohio should go out west to play UCLA, having already whomped UCLA out there in the regular season.

Or, maybe they just did not like Woody. You decide.

So, Indiana made its only trip. I believe they were the first second place Big Ten team to lose the Rose Bowl.

That was back in the days when you could rake up the leaves, pile them on the drivewaway, and burn them. Even in the suburbs.

And only one or two UM games were televised each year, so, tend the burning leaves and listen on the radio.


Now, I am a serious Michigan fan.

Now a football player myself, having been way over the CYO weight limit in grade school, with high hopes of running through the tunnel in four years.

The good? I did start both ways.

The bad? We lost all out games.

Listening on the radio. In the upstairs of the neighbors' garage.

UM dropped the opener to Cal, at home, but has won 8 straight.

The Buckeyes are undefeated, consensus #1, the super sophs, who could not play the year before, freshman being ineligible.

Kern. Tatum. Stillwagon, et. al.

Close at the half, 21-14 Ohio.

Then, the roof fell in at Columbus.

48 for Ohio, and Dr. Strangehayes goes for two.

My hatred of Buckeyes begins. Unabated to this day.


I did not know it, but my career had peaked, having been called up to the championship varsity team for a cup of coffee. Though not playing.

My Dad buys us tickets for the showdown.

This is a juggernaut Buckeye team, defending national champs, going for the Big Ten record for consecutive conference wins. They enter the game having never trailed, for even a minute, the entire season.

17 point favorites.

A win sews up back to back titles, as the Rose bowl no repeat rule is still in effect.

If UM wins, they go to the Rose Bowl.

Though WJR sports director Bob Reynolds announced during the week on his 6:15 p.m. Daily radio show that the conference Ads had already voted to send UM

The game is not nationally televised.

My first UM game was a 7-6 loss to Georgia, I think 1965.

(The next time an SEC team ventured north of the Mason-Dixon line was Alabama at Penn State last year.)

I also saw Ron Johnson's record setting performance against Wisconsin in 1968.

Don Canham has taken over as AD and hired Bo when Bump Elliot retired.

Seems hard to believe these days, but NO ONE was marketing college football.

ABC did not even pretend to show the best game each week, and limited the appearances a team could make in one year.

A couple of years later, they telecast Indiana at Wisconsin, 9th and 10th in the league at the time.

Wisconsin won to break a long losing streak, and the fans tore down the goalposts.

So, Canham advertised tickets in Columbus. And sold about 40,000 to Buckeye fans.

I remember having to stop on 94 westbound at 23. Solid Buckeye traffic.

One charter bus covered in a gray blanket with scarlet letters:

Today: Michigan. Tomorrow: The World.

We are there early and seated in plenty of time, for the first sellout of a non MSC game since, who knows.

The Buckeyes score first. They kick the point, but UM is offsides, so Strangehayes goes for two. And misses.

So when we score and kick the point, for the first time that season, Ohio is behind.

Turns out, they were not a come from behind team.

Our 24-12 halftime lead holds up, scoreless second half.

The crowd counts down the clock, the players hoist Bo on their shoulders, and the upset of the century is complete.

And a legend is born.


This time, I sent in for two tickets, take my Dad for his birthday.

One morning he sees in the paper that the game is already sold out, and ruefully apologizes for having missed the boat.

I am delighted to tell him we are covered.

The super sophs are gone, so Ohio is in a rebuilding year. They lose at home to Colorado, MSC, and to Northwestern.

Don't laugh. If you read our media guide, Northwestern was the only ranked team our 11-0 squad beat that year.

The Big Eight reigned, as Nebraska finished #1, Okalahoma #2, and Colorado, losing only to #1 an #2, finished 3rd in the polls.

Why I remember this stuff. . . . . .

So, ten and 0 UM up against 6-3 Ohio. Rose Bowl trip is already sewn up, with narrow win at Purdue the week before.

We trail 7 -3 before getting our only touchdown.

"Touchdown!  BIlly Taylor!" one of the most played Ufer recordings.  Sprung by a block by FB Fritz Seyferth.  What is forgotten is that Fritz made the 4th and one the play before that kept the drive going.  As well as scoring our only TD in the Rose Bowl, a 13-12 loss to Stanford.

The Buckeyes are driving when we make the pick that drives Strangehayes into one of his tantrums, breaking the down markers.

We complete an undefeated season.

Overview: the 70s

Bo lost his first game to Sparty. Woody lost at Ann Arbor in 69, 71, tied in 73, and lost in East Lansing in 72 and 74.

He won all the rest of his conference games all those years, plus 1968.

After that MSC loss, Bo lost only to Woody until being upset by one team per year 76-78, and Woody went until a 78 loss to Purdue before losing to a non-Michigan based Big Ten school.

These records will not be duplicated.

And if you think the Big Ten is bad now, after Purdue fell off around 72, the Big Two and Little Eight featured an extremely weak Little Eight.


The way the schedule works, this game is after thanksgiving.

The Ohio game sells out early, again beating my Dad's ticket order.

To get him into the game, I buy the student season tickets of a bunch of friends who are not going to the games.

Back in the day, no student ID required. Students paid half the full price for tickets.

So, I found myself with a bunch of tickets to the other games to sell, and ended up in the ticket broker business through 1981.

So, for the first time, both teams enter the game unbeaten and untied, 10-0.

I am sure I can make a fortune selling tickets on the street the day of the game. But, most students are still home for the holiday weekend, and you can get tickets for face value or less. Another lesson in humility.

Bo gambles early with a pass, which is picked off.

I am told that Bo would say to Woody before the game, “I'm running right. Try and stop me.” Talk about predictible offenses.

Having listened to the replay on WTKA a few years ago, I was struck by one statistic: Ohio penalties: zero. Zip. Nada. Not a one.

Down ten zip in the fourth quarter, fourth and one, as Ufer says, everyone knows it will be Shuttlesworth up the middle, but, No! Franklin takes the ball outside and bootlegs untouched into the end zone!

The crowd reaction is the loudest noise I have heard in my life.

We hold them, get the ball back, and drive for a tying field goal.

And my Dad says, not likely we can score three consecutive possessions, after being shut out all day.

This is the game the Michigan player called time out after an incomplete pass, or out of bounds play. Bo was not happy.

Lantry missed about a 57 yeard FG near the end, but we students all assumed we were going to the Rose Bowl. Ohio had been the year before, conference records even, head to head even.

I was driving home from Ann Arbor when I hear the result of the athletic directors vote. 6 to 4 to send Ohio. By rule, a 5-5 vote would have sent Michigan.

The excuse?

Dennis Franklin broke his collarbone during the game; the Ads did not want to lose to the Pac Eight again in the Rose Bowl, so they voted to send Ohio.

I had trouble maintaining control of my car.


I will see Bert Smith in hell, or know the reason why.

And Ohio went on to beat USC, 42-21. We would have one that game.


I was planning on going to the game in Columbus, but sustained an injury in MSC's victory over Woody.

I was in the student section with my friend, the last time I wore green and white, actually.

Ohio unbeaten, untied, and number one in the country.

13 to 9 Ohio, with a couple minutes left. The punt pins Sparty back at his own 12 yard line.

In a daring call, on first down, Denny Stoltz sends his fullback, Levi Jackson, off tackle. He goes 88 yards for the touchdown. 16-13 MSC leads.

I am thrilled! However, thrilled as I am, I am even more inebriated and am unable to negotiate a landing after jumping in the air, twisting my left ankle.

I was, literally, feeling no pain.

No OT in those days. Woody drives all the way down the field to the one yard line.

No tying field goal for him.

No timeouts. Ohio snaps the ball, one official throws the flag. One official is waiving his hands, snap not off in time, game over. A third official signals touchdown when the Ohio running back crosses the goal line.

It took an hour for the outcome to be determined, as most of the crowd waited. Big Ten commissioner Wayne Duke is at the game, and, the powers that be eventually determine that Sparty has, indeed, pulled off the upset.

My friend abandons me to join the crew that carries off the goal post, to a pre-arranged site where it is cut into souvenir sections for the organized team. Which had pulled off the same feat after the 1972 upset of Ohio.

His brother assists my limping ass back to the dorm.

I forget how I got back to A2; I know I did not drive.

One of my roommates took me to U hospital.

I was sure my ankle was not broken, because I could wiggle my toes.

However, when the doctor moved my foot to the left, I screamed.

When he moved it to the right, I screamed again. When he moved it up, the same result was produced. When he pushed it up, I turned up the volume all the way.

Torn ligaments.

In a cast for a month. No trip to Columbus.

So I watch on TV at the SAE house. Up 10-0 in the first quarter. Awesome.

The defense holds Ohio to four field goals.

We move down for the game winning attempt on the last play. And, the kick was good! Way higher than the upright, and called, no good.

The Denny Franklin years are over, my first 3 years at UM, 30 wins, 2 losses, one tie.

No bowl games.

OT: Great "Leather" Helmet look from Redskins

OT: Great "Leather" Helmet look from Redskins

Submitted by Fhshockey112002 on November 4th, 2012 at 1:29 PM

Slow Sunday after an impressive win yesterday.  I saw these helmets this morning and thought they were pretty awesome.  

Would anyone else not mind seeing some wings thrown on these as part of a true throwback style uni? I only post the idea since there was rumor of a "shinny helmet" being talked about for next season.

Week Eleven Polls Are Out

Week Eleven Polls Are Out

Submitted by justingoblue on November 4th, 2012 at 12:59 PM

Let's see if we can do this without another Husker4Life type moment, shall we?


  1. Alabama (60)
  2. Oregon
  3. Kansas State
  4. Notre Dame
  5. Ohio State
  6. Georgia
  7. Florida
  8. Florida State
  9. LSU
  10. Clemson
  11. Louisville
  12. South Carolina
  13. Oregon State
  14. Oklahoma
  15. Texas A&M
  16. Stanford
  17. UCLA
  18. Nebraska
  19. Texas
  20. Louisiana Tech
  21. USC
  22. Mississippi State
  23. Toledo
  24. Rutgers
  25. Texas Tech
  • Dropped from rankings: Boise State 19, West Virginia 23, Arizona 24
  • Others receiving votes: Northern Illinois 64, Kent State 61, Michigan 53, TCU 38, Northwestern 32, Oklahoma State 27, Ohio 22, UCF 15, Boise State 11, Washington 9, Penn State 8, San Diego State 7, Tulsa 6, Arizona 5, Utah State 4, Fresno State 2


  1. Alabama (59)
  2. Oregon
  3. Kansas State
  4. Notre Dame
  5. Georgia
  6. Florida State
  7. Florida
  8. Clemson
  9. LSU
  10. Louisville
  11. South Carolina
  12. Oregon State
  13. Oklahoma
  14. Texas A&M
  15. Stanford
  16. Nebraska
  17. Texas
  18. Louisiana Tech
  19. UCLA
  20. Rutgers
  21. Northwestern
  22. USC
  23. Mississippi State
  24. Boise State
  25. Toledo
  • Dropped from rankings: West Virginia 19, Texas Tech 20, Oklahoma State 24
  • Others receiving votes: Northern Illinois 88, Texas Tech 68, Michigan 48, Oklahoma State 41, Cincinnati 38, TCU 37, Ohio 34, Kent State 32, Wisconsin 25, Utah State 13, UCF 12, West Virginia 7, San Diego State 7, Washington 4, Tulsa 4, Louisiana-Monroe 4, Fresno State 4, Arizona State 3, Middle Tennessee 2

MICH-again #1 in B1G (acc to sagarin poll predictions)

MICH-again #1 in B1G (acc to sagarin poll predictions)

Submitted by michelin on November 4th, 2012 at 11:57 AM

Michigan again is the top team in the B1G according to the Sagarin poll PREDICTOR ratings--which are the best in actually predicting game outcomes.  Here are the ratings and overall national rank:


1. Michigan  (#23 overall, rating 82.42)

2. Ohio (#24 overall, rating 82.40) INELIGIBLE for postseason

3. Neb (#25, rating 82.01)

4. PSU (#28, 79.44) INELIGIBLE for postseason

5. Wisconsin (#32, rating 78.73)

6. NU (#39. 77.2)


So, what are the chances UM will get to the championship game in INDY?  Based on the Sagarin ratings (and a few heroic assumptions given below), NEB has a better than 50-50 chance of losing at least one more game.  The chances of UM actually getting to INDY are about one in five.

UM’s chances are not higher than this largely because we play at Ohio.  But, if  Ohio were not ineligible and Michigan played them in INDY, UM would be a narrow favorite.   Likewise, on a neutral field, UM would be favored over NEB (-0.5 points). 

In any case, if we get a bit lucky and do get to INDY, we would be nearly a 2-1 favorite over WISC (or -3.5 points which translates into a greater than 60% chance of winning).




One predicts the outcome of future games by subtracting the two Sagarin PREDICTOR ratings (with +3 for home field advantage)  That gives us the estimated point spread for each matchup.  We can convert the point spreads into odds based on a conversion chart (see bovada).  Then, we can convert the odds (O) into win probabilities (p) as p=O/(1+O).   For example,

PtSprdOdds   win prob

-2         1.2       0.54

-3         1.45     0.59

-4         1.85     0.65

5          2.15     0.68

-6         2.4       0.71

-7         2.9       0.74

-8         3.2       0.76

-9         3.35     0.77

-10       3.875   0.79




NEB would be a

-5.5 favorite vs PSU (win probability of .68)

- 14.5 vs MIN which has a 67.75 rating (win probability of .9)

-8.5 at IA which has a 70.71 rating (win probability of .76).

Assuming independence of game outcomes (discussed below), the chances of NEB winning out would be

= .68*.9*.76 = .46.  The chance of not winning out would be 1-.46 =.54.


In Ann Arbor, UM would be

-8 pts vs NU (5+3 for home field, equivalent to a win probability of .76),

-15 Pts vs IA (or win probability of about .90)

In Columbus, UM would be not quite +3 underdogs (equivalent to a win probability of .4). 

So, the chances of UM winning out would be = .76*.9*.4 = .27.



Thus, the chances of UM winning out and NEB not would be = .54*.27 = .15.  I would guess that the chances might be as high as 0.20, since other outcomes could also lead to UM winning one more game than NEB (eg one loss by UM and two by NEB or two losses by UM and three for NEB),  

One factor that might increase UM’s chances a bit further is that game outcomes are not likely to be independent but positively correlated (due to injuries and other factors that would make runs of wins or losses more likely).   Since UM’s chances of winning all games will depend more heavily on Denard’s injury situation, the chances of a run of wins (with a healthy Denard) would seem to increase the chances of UM winning out over NEB’s chances (for which game outcomes would be more nearly independent). 

On the other hand, if Denard is not healthy the chances of UM winning out would be lower than the Sagarin ratings predict. But given the usual course of recovery from his condition and the encouraging performance of DG, I think that 20% is still a reasonable estimate for UM’s chances of getting to INDY.


Question About Tickets

Question About Tickets

Submitted by MJ14 on November 4th, 2012 at 9:38 AM

I have a question about football tickets this year and every year in general. Last year, I went to the San Diego State game and sat in section 21 or something close to that. When I received my tickets, which I purchased on stubhub, the tickets were pretty big for what I'm used to seeing tickets be. But, they were the correct tickets and I had an awesome experience. So that made me think that all tickets from Michigan are sort of like that, in that they are bigger than what I normally expect.

Fast forward to this year and I've purchased some tickets for the Iowa game. Note these are not my tickets, just a picture example I pulled off of ebay.

So I guess what I'm really wondering is, is there different tickets and sizes for each game? You'll have to forgive me for my stupidity in this situation, as I really have no clue. I just kind of assumed all college sporting events had about the same size ticket format for every game. But, I have only been to like IU stuff since I'm right around Bloomington. Anyways, thanks for any help and for any explanations. I was kind of worried that the tickets might have been fake, but they look nearly identical to the ones I've posted here from ebay.

OT: The Pittsburgh Steelers hate your optic nerves. New "scoreboard" uniforms.

OT: The Pittsburgh Steelers hate your optic nerves. New "scoreboard" uniforms.

Submitted by markusr2007 on November 4th, 2012 at 9:14 AM

Somebody please just make it all stop. 

The Pittsburgh Steelers launch some new "scoreboard" uniforms.

The fashion suicide continues all the way down to the socks....