2015 Westland C/PF Mike Edwards committed to Georgia

2015 Westland C/PF Mike Edwards committed to Georgia

Submitted by Erik_in_Dayton on April 14th, 2015 at 4:46 PM

Edwards is 6'10" and a late bloomer who at one point seemed like he might be a late addition to Michigan's 2015 class.  Receiving a Michigan scholarship offer became a longshot once Wagner joined the fold, but I thought I'd post this on a slow day anyway.



OT-ish: Ivan Rabb Commits to Cal

OT-ish: Ivan Rabb Commits to Cal

Submitted by MGoChippewa on April 13th, 2015 at 10:44 PM

Ivan Rabb, the nation's #7 basketball recruit in 2015, per 247, has committed to Cal-Berkley tonight. Cal is a finalist for Jaylen Brown, so this will likely move them up the list.


I am excited to announce that I will be attending the University of California,Berkeley next year ! #GoBears

OT Knicks & Magic make history

OT Knicks & Magic make history

Submitted by Ricky from Sunnyvale on April 11th, 2015 at 9:38 PM

I am subjected to some unbearable sports fanchises(I live in CT) the New York Knicks are one of them. Occasionally I will put them on to see if Hardaway Jr. is in the game, well today it paid off! They made NBA history with the Orlando Magic, managing to only score 15 combined points in the 2nd quarter, that is the lowest ever since the shot clock was introduced.

NBA obviously has scoring issue. Time to shorten the shot clock to 18 seconds.

Here's to the Knicks overpaying and giving the max to Greg Monroe next year. Slow board day. Enjoy the rest of the weekend.

The First Round: Why It Matters

The First Round: Why It Matters

Submitted by freejs on April 10th, 2015 at 2:24 PM

Think getting into the first round doesn't matter? Think again.

There are some common misconceptions regarding early entries into the NBA Draft. A new "wisdom" seems to have sprung up among fans: sooner is always better, the key is starting your career earnings clock, there's still more money than joe fan will ever see in getting on a roster - or even in Europe - heck, add in that the streets of Europe's major cities are paved in gold.

There are significant problems with these new orthodoxies - career longevity is where the real money is at (even for guys who are never more than bench players), an early start date on a career earnings clock doesn't mean much if the clock never gets past year 2, $1.2 million pre-taxes, agent cut, and expenses, is far from life changing money, some European teams can't even meet their payrolls due to cratering economies*, and most of the stories about huge Euro contracts seem to be apocryphal and possibly the work of a small handful of crazed European fans who plant these stories on various forums.

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The facts very clearly display that it is far, far better to land in the first round of the NBA Draft - both for the guaranteed contract and the higher likelihood of establishing yourself in a league where it pays to play many years rather than a few - they print funny money for just about everyone besides first, second, and third year players in the NBA, stars or not. Willie Green, who in a 12 year career has averaged 10 points per game twice, had banked more than $22 million at the end of 2014. I studied draft years 2003-2013, and as the tables and charts show above and below** (props to our own LSAClassOf2000 for turning my sleep addled tables into these graphical displays), there is a distinct difference between length of the careers that start in the first round and those that start in the 2nd.

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Lest anyone protest that, of course, first round careers are longer, as the top half of the round is all lottery players, note that isolating the non-lottery first rounders yields largely the same results.

Two articles ran last year on cbssports (HERE and HERE) that had truly dubious conclusions: the first suggested that early declarants fare better than their senior peers (this one is simply not true - it's mathematically wrong), the second suggested that the idea of bumping up one's prospects by returning for a senior year was outdated and fanciful. It is accurate that NBA teams (foolishly, I think, judging from the stats I've poured over these last weeks) tend to shy away from seniors in the lottery, but as the tables and charts show below, the value of turning yourself into a first round lock - even near the bottom of the first round - is significant.

So what if you don't get into the first round? I'm not finished with my research, but a general hypothesis is emerging. If you're stuck in the 2nd round, you better be ready to play right away or have freakish talent that teams will be willing to take multiple runs at. Essentially, if you're a 2nd rounder, you want to be either a guy who has spent 4 years in college (RS Jr or a SR) or a former top 30 recruit.*** Looking at second round seniors who are non-top 30 guys vs. early entries into the NBA Draft who are also non-top 30 HS recruits, the former have logged 37.63% of all possible years of service while the early entrants**** have accounted for 24.92% of all possible years of service. That's a pretty significant difference. It suggests that you don't want to be a second rounder or an undrafted guy (the cbssports article's point was that you make a roster generally as an early entry, drafted or not) whose game or body is not ready for NBA competition. If you are in that pool, it's good to still have the buzz (and the inherent talent) of being a former top 30 high school recruit.

To bring this part of the research to a close, I think people focus too much on the first contract (even though it is valuable for *future* contracts to be a first rounder). We hear too much about the "stigma" of being a junior and not a sophomore and the "super stigma" of being a senior (gasp) and not a junior with more upside. You know what's much more important than any of that? Being ready to play on day one of your entry into the NBA. Being ready to play on that first day in summer league.

Here is a partial list of guys who have had solid, lengthy NBA careers (or look to be on their way to such careers) after being drafted in the second round as seniors, without a former top 30 status to fall back on:

Luke Walton
Willie Green
Matt Bonner
James Jones
Kyle Korver
Royal Ivey
Ronny Turiaf
Ryan Gomes
Steve Novak
Solomon Jones
Ryan Hollins
Carl Landry
Dominic McGuire (RS Jr)
Aaron Gray
Jeff Pendergraph
Dante Cunningham
Marcus Thornton
Dexter Pittman
Landry Fields
Jeremy Evans
Jon Leuer
Lavoy Allen
Draymond Green
and a whole slew of guys still in the league who were drafted in 2012 and are looking very strong (Acy, Hamilton, Scott, Sacre, etc.)

I certainly understand the allure of the NBA Draft. For so many kids, the league is the dream. And why delay getting started with one's career? But is the dream a two to three year run (or, even worse, never seeing an NBA court)? I have to think it's a 10-12 year career, with some playoffs thrown in for good measure. My research suggests it can be a very bad thing to leave a a year before you're ready for the league if you have a lengthy career in mind. In fact, even relative to athletes who perhaps stay a year too long, it is a worse road to travel, to a significant statistical degree.

I believe people can improve their games at the league level - many do. But to get the attention and the support and the patience of an NBA team to allow for your development, they have to make an investment in you. And there's nothing wrong with spending four years in a college program to make sure that you are an investment that starts paying dividends on day one.



** Basically all international players with zero years of service were eliminated from these calculations. Essentially, if you didn't make a significant attempt by playing a year in the d league, you were treated as a "Euro-stash" pick. African players drafted tend to want to make the league - Euros with zero YoS cannot be included or would skew results too far in favor of the first rounders. 
*** In the top 30 of one of the major recruiting services

**** the list was combed. No one who just happened to declare for the draft because they're 25, have been injured multiple times, and just always wanted to declare for the draft - none of those guys were counted. Only guys who are early entry with a legitimate expectation that they might be drafted were counted. 







OT: College basketball player loses battle with brain cancer

OT: College basketball player loses battle with brain cancer

Submitted by Evil Empire on April 10th, 2015 at 1:51 PM

Lauren Hill, 19, of Laurenceberg, IN was a freshman at Mount Joseph University in Cincinnati.  The NCAA allowed her school to move up their first game of the season to November 3 so that she would be still able to play.  They held the game at Xavier's arena before a crowd over 10k+.  She scored the first two and the last two points of the game.  Pat Summitt was there to present Lauren a courage award at halftime.  I think I need a moment.

Hill and Summitt at the MJU-Hiram game:


Make the most of the time you have, everybody.

Cleveland.com story from today

Semi OT - Wisconsin Jr F Sam Dekker Entering Draft

Semi OT - Wisconsin Jr F Sam Dekker Entering Draft

Submitted by Saint_in_Blue on April 10th, 2015 at 12:34 PM

Kenny Williams Decommits From VCU Interested In Michigan

Kenny Williams Decommits From VCU Interested In Michigan

Submitted by Harbeezy on April 10th, 2015 at 1:10 AM

Just saw that Kenny Williams was granted a release from his national letter of intent after coaching change at VCU. 4* SG and last 5 crystal balls have him going to Michigan as of tonight. Didnt think we had another spot but I will take him!



Can someone explain to me why this stuff is allowed in basketball

Can someone explain to me why this stuff is allowed in basketball

Submitted by olsont on April 8th, 2015 at 6:00 PM

This bothered me a lot in the game regardless if it was some team doing it to us or vice versa

In the video linked below @ :19 seconds you see a player run into Irvins leg while he is in the air which causes him to fall a little akwardly.  Not that big of a deal but...


@1:28 a player goes underneath Irvin while he is in the air making him fall quite hard on his arm.  You can later see him rubbing his arm that he fell on.

I think there are more examples of this but why is this allowed?