People need to stop completely sleeping on Davis Warren, he is clearly also in the mix and looked sharp as hell in the spring game. I know he does that every year but the lightbulb could very well go on for him at some point in games.
Cop grabbing on to the car like he is in some action movie thinking that will accomplish anything tells me all I need to know about his side of things regarding his overreaction to the actual situation. Also already confirmed they were letting other players through and instructed to do so, so that is a clear screw up. Really the only part you can blame on Scheffler or nitpick is that he could have just stopped for a second initially when they weren't letting him through to figure out what was happening.
Unfortunately that trailer really doesn't tell us anything about how the game plays, need to see some uncut footage of actual games for that. Also would like more info about how opt out stuff may effect the game, like will they not allow people to edit player ratings, etc. One I know their ratings are probably going to be pretty jacked up on some opt in guys and two for guys who opt out you would still like for people to be able to create a equivalent generic dude rating wise. But honestly I could see them going overboard on editing players in any way.
I mean at end of the day it is a video game so for most people how it plays is kind of critical. That trailer really shows nothing on that front, just some hand selected animations that quite frankly don't even look that special.
Which definitely makes a big difference on win probability given how difficult it is to win in Eugene and the fact that UM will still be favored over UW even on the road given their complete player and coach turnover.
I mean depends if Edwards can improve his vision and the added bulk helps him break more tackles this year. I feel like last season's lackluster showing besides the last few games has motivated him to improve in those areas. But also think the coaching staff needs to do a better job getting him involved in the passing game as well.
Nice to see a UM player on there but if I am being honest I could care less about the cover and more about can they actually show some gameplay footage. Would be nice to see how the game actually plays considering it comes out in only 2 months. A decent amount of games in the last few years have essentially released in a beta state to initial buyers so hard to give the benefit of the doubt to any developer honestly, let alone EA. Also would be nice to hear more details like can we even edit the players ratings, etc because of the opt out players.
Like playing golf, but actually following and watching nowadays is pretty bleh to me I guess. I think my watching days begun and ended growing up during the peak Woods era. Not to take anything away from these current players because there is on paper a ton of talent but I just don't find them compelling. Maybe it is because everyone is hitting it so far nowadays, etc that is makes amazing things stand out less. Liv thing doesn't help I suppose.
Everyone talks about the block but equally infuriating was them calling a late foul and then giving it to the wrong player instead of Hancock who should have fouled out. Hancock then hit 3 threes after he should have been fouled out. Not to mention the rest of the game wasn't great either, I remember a terrible non goaltending call not being made in the first half. That game was an embarrassment officiating wise.
Someone can drink all they want but at the end of the day it is a literally a few seconds of clicking on a device we all carry to avoid it. No excuses for it to begin with but even less so in the year 2024.
I mean hypothetically the only vaguely logical argument anyone could make would be if UM had a harder schedule before it came to light and there were actual games whose outcome wasn't a forgone conclusion. Obviously that wasn't the case though as UM could have won those games with second and third stringers honestly. I would add talent wise the draft also cemented the fact that UM was in fact the most talented team in college football last year.
It still blows my mind a little bit that any opponent UM played after the whole thing came to light and was over with can even jump through hoops mentally to convince themselves that UM had an advantage of any kind. Like convincing yourself that UM had any real advantage even with Stallions is silly enough, but that is a whole different level of delusion. Like what is even the argument, that somehow your coaching staff if you are OSU was too stupid or lazy to change their signs in 4-5 weeks if they were really that concerned about UM knowing them? In a world where people actually want to think logically UM winning their most difficult games after Stallions was gone should have shut down any thought that they had a competitive advantage of any kind.
Well according to EA they said this game was being built from the ground up and not borrowing anything from Madden, but yes I am skeptical of that claim. Either way it is concerning not showing any actual gameplay yet. Past NCAA's we had full game footage being shown 5-6 months out from release.
I mean following a team with great interest is still different than literally worshiping an individual or thinking of them as a role model. People's role models should be people in their actual life who are worthy of admiration, not people that you don't even know.
Awesome cover but would be nice to see some actual gameplay footage for a game out in a only a few months. Makes me think it is going to suck when it comes to actual gameplay and they aren't confident in what they have right now. Or since it is EA they are just banking on people buying based on waiting so long for a new game and it being the only option that the quality of the game itself won't actually matter.
Eh, I think it is a little more nuanced than that, I may follow UM fanatically but that does not mean I worship any individual players or see them as role models because I have no idea what they are actually like off the field as human beings. Celebrities should not be role models unless you know them personally and actually know they are a good person, otherwise it is just silly in all cases.
Regardless of your opinion of the NCAA this is nonsensical. What Bush did was in fact improper benefits and broke the rules at the time, that is cut and dry.
The JJ doesn't have a strong arm takes are just lazy and clearly people who didn't watch that much UM football. I mean due to the nature of the offense he didn't get to uncork long balls yes, but there were some intermediate throws he made that were only fit in because of his arm strength. Also several on the move throws he made look effortless which you can't do without a strong arm. Honestly the takes that JJ doesn't possess above average physical skills are just odd to me. Has good speed and agility when healthy, and has an above average arm.
I mean the similarity seems to be that they are both good coaches in the x's and o's department and value a team that can play with structure and fundamentals. Also I would say May seems pretty mindful of roster construction in terms of how well pieces fit together and compliment one another. This was quite honestly one of Howard's weaker points as HC in contrast.
I am just happy that both UM football and basketball have young energetic coaches, seems like that will serve them well in the long haul in the current environment.
Nah, this is just absurdly pessimistic barring injury. Zero chance this team only wins 3 more games than Beilein's first team that was pretty much devoid of any talent and size. I feel like people are either underestimating May as a coach significantly or the talent that he has miraculously managed to put together with predictions that pessimistic. With Goldin you have a roster with more talent than multiple teams that made the field last year.
My guess is they end up a 7-9 seed depending on the length of the gelling process, that peaks as the season goes along, and no one wants to see in March.
Well I mean yes, but part of what makes this feat so impressive isn't just getting enough players. May could have done that if they just wanted bodies by offering guys without good options, but to get a collection of players together with actual talent in such a short span is mind blowing.
This team is far more talented than that team, that first Beilein team was working with pretty much nothing talent wise and were undersized to boot. The 5th best player on this team probably would have been the best on that team.
Nah, that is absurdly pessimistic. This team has more talent than multiple teams that were in the tournament last year assuming Goldin comes. The floor is pretty much bubble now with this group, if they miss it will only because they didn't gel fast enough or injuries happened
I think some are being a tad pessimistic with projections in other threads, etc but a 6 seed is definitely a bold prediction. I think I would wager they make it as a 8-9 seed that no one wants to play in March if I had to guess.
I mean the good thing is given the average turnover in college basketball now, they will probably be playing teams still working on their chemistry somewhat too.
Given the aggregate talent on the team, assuming Goldin comes, tournament is 100% a realistic goal. There were definitely teams in the field last year with less talent. Might take a little bit to gel when the season starts, but given that May is a good coach I would actually make a bet right now that this team makes the tourney.
Unless the pieces don't gel well after the initial part of the season I really don't think it will be that rough. With Goldin you are looking at a team with more talent certainly than some teams that were in the tournament last year being coached by a good coach. Tournament is becoming a very reasonable possibility. If I had to make a bet right now I would bet on them making the tournament honestly.
100% disagree on CB2, you have good young talent there, one or two will emerge as a good player. I have zero doubt about that. It is a little funny for a program that has been great with player development that people still doubt it will occur at spots where you have good young talent, it is bizarre to me quite frankly. You aren't going to have a proven starter from the prior season at every position but that doesn't necessarily mean you need a portal guy for every one of those positions.
With Goldin and one more add, NIT is probably the floor, with NCAA tournament in the realm of possibility now depending on how well the pieces gel. There were definitely teams in the tournament with less talent than this one assuming you get Goldin and another add. Though obviously there should be patience if they don't make it but it is definitely becoming more reasonable to think they have a shot.
Pretty damn impressive what May has done with the roster given the smoldering crater it was, definitely tournament bid is not out the question at all now if Goldin comes and depending on how well the pieces gel.
I mean the scouting report in BC is that they finish at an absurd rate. They haven't got many high quality chances but have pretty much scored on every single one of them. UM hasn't played poorly, but they needed a near perfect game and haven't got it.
Umm they literally had to take a tripping penalty caused by an odd looking mishandle at one point. So yes BC is having some issues with it too. But objectively UM has had more offensive zone possession time.
That is not true, they literally had to take a tripping penalty caused by a puck mishandle and have also fanned on a couple shots in a very odd manner.
I mean Duke has the right to that space on the ice just as the BC player does. The BC player literally just ran straight into Duke's skate with his skate, Duke made zero motion to create any contact. That is one of the worst calls I have ever seen in a hockey game point blank.
I honestly don't think BC is playing great at all or really overwhelming UM whatsoever. Give them credit for taking advantage of what they have got chance wise, but in terms of actual puck possession UM is actually outplaying them.
I honestly don't think they have played poorly at all. In terms of offensive zone puck possession they have outplayed BC. One bad defensive miscue, a slip on what looks like bad ice and a horrific call and that is how it is 3-0.
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People need to stop completely sleeping on Davis Warren, he is clearly also in the mix and looked sharp as hell in the spring game. I know he does that every year but the lightbulb could very well go on for him at some point in games.
9-3 still likely gets into the playoff if none of the losses are underdogs.
Cop grabbing on to the car like he is in some action movie thinking that will accomplish anything tells me all I need to know about his side of things regarding his overreaction to the actual situation. Also already confirmed they were letting other players through and instructed to do so, so that is a clear screw up. Really the only part you can blame on Scheffler or nitpick is that he could have just stopped for a second initially when they weren't letting him through to figure out what was happening.
Unfortunately that trailer really doesn't tell us anything about how the game plays, need to see some uncut footage of actual games for that. Also would like more info about how opt out stuff may effect the game, like will they not allow people to edit player ratings, etc. One I know their ratings are probably going to be pretty jacked up on some opt in guys and two for guys who opt out you would still like for people to be able to create a equivalent generic dude rating wise. But honestly I could see them going overboard on editing players in any way.
I mean at end of the day it is a video game so for most people how it plays is kind of critical. That trailer really shows nothing on that front, just some hand selected animations that quite frankly don't even look that special.
Which definitely makes a big difference on win probability given how difficult it is to win in Eugene and the fact that UM will still be favored over UW even on the road given their complete player and coach turnover.
I mean depends if Edwards can improve his vision and the added bulk helps him break more tackles this year. I feel like last season's lackluster showing besides the last few games has motivated him to improve in those areas. But also think the coaching staff needs to do a better job getting him involved in the passing game as well.
Nice to see a UM player on there but if I am being honest I could care less about the cover and more about can they actually show some gameplay footage. Would be nice to see how the game actually plays considering it comes out in only 2 months. A decent amount of games in the last few years have essentially released in a beta state to initial buyers so hard to give the benefit of the doubt to any developer honestly, let alone EA. Also would be nice to hear more details like can we even edit the players ratings, etc because of the opt out players.
Like playing golf, but actually following and watching nowadays is pretty bleh to me I guess. I think my watching days begun and ended growing up during the peak Woods era. Not to take anything away from these current players because there is on paper a ton of talent but I just don't find them compelling. Maybe it is because everyone is hitting it so far nowadays, etc that is makes amazing things stand out less. Liv thing doesn't help I suppose.
Everyone talks about the block but equally infuriating was them calling a late foul and then giving it to the wrong player instead of Hancock who should have fouled out. Hancock then hit 3 threes after he should have been fouled out. Not to mention the rest of the game wasn't great either, I remember a terrible non goaltending call not being made in the first half. That game was an embarrassment officiating wise.
Or you know they could just use an uber like anyone else with common sense in the year 2024.
Someone can drink all they want but at the end of the day it is a literally a few seconds of clicking on a device we all carry to avoid it. No excuses for it to begin with but even less so in the year 2024.
I mean hypothetically the only vaguely logical argument anyone could make would be if UM had a harder schedule before it came to light and there were actual games whose outcome wasn't a forgone conclusion. Obviously that wasn't the case though as UM could have won those games with second and third stringers honestly. I would add talent wise the draft also cemented the fact that UM was in fact the most talented team in college football last year.
All I am going to say is you have far more faith in me than EA, given their track record as a whole, lol.
It still blows my mind a little bit that any opponent UM played after the whole thing came to light and was over with can even jump through hoops mentally to convince themselves that UM had an advantage of any kind. Like convincing yourself that UM had any real advantage even with Stallions is silly enough, but that is a whole different level of delusion. Like what is even the argument, that somehow your coaching staff if you are OSU was too stupid or lazy to change their signs in 4-5 weeks if they were really that concerned about UM knowing them? In a world where people actually want to think logically UM winning their most difficult games after Stallions was gone should have shut down any thought that they had a competitive advantage of any kind.
Well according to EA they said this game was being built from the ground up and not borrowing anything from Madden, but yes I am skeptical of that claim. Either way it is concerning not showing any actual gameplay yet. Past NCAA's we had full game footage being shown 5-6 months out from release.
I mean following a team with great interest is still different than literally worshiping an individual or thinking of them as a role model. People's role models should be people in their actual life who are worthy of admiration, not people that you don't even know.
Awesome cover but would be nice to see some actual gameplay footage for a game out in a only a few months. Makes me think it is going to suck when it comes to actual gameplay and they aren't confident in what they have right now. Or since it is EA they are just banking on people buying based on waiting so long for a new game and it being the only option that the quality of the game itself won't actually matter.
Eh, I think it is a little more nuanced than that, I may follow UM fanatically but that does not mean I worship any individual players or see them as role models because I have no idea what they are actually like off the field as human beings. Celebrities should not be role models unless you know them personally and actually know they are a good person, otherwise it is just silly in all cases.
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Goldin is one very large and well put together human.
Regardless of your opinion of the NCAA this is nonsensical. What Bush did was in fact improper benefits and broke the rules at the time, that is cut and dry.
The JJ doesn't have a strong arm takes are just lazy and clearly people who didn't watch that much UM football. I mean due to the nature of the offense he didn't get to uncork long balls yes, but there were some intermediate throws he made that were only fit in because of his arm strength. Also several on the move throws he made look effortless which you can't do without a strong arm. Honestly the takes that JJ doesn't possess above average physical skills are just odd to me. Has good speed and agility when healthy, and has an above average arm.
I mean the similarity seems to be that they are both good coaches in the x's and o's department and value a team that can play with structure and fundamentals. Also I would say May seems pretty mindful of roster construction in terms of how well pieces fit together and compliment one another. This was quite honestly one of Howard's weaker points as HC in contrast.
I am just happy that both UM football and basketball have young energetic coaches, seems like that will serve them well in the long haul in the current environment.
Nah, this is just absurdly pessimistic barring injury. Zero chance this team only wins 3 more games than Beilein's first team that was pretty much devoid of any talent and size. I feel like people are either underestimating May as a coach significantly or the talent that he has miraculously managed to put together with predictions that pessimistic. With Goldin you have a roster with more talent than multiple teams that made the field last year.
My guess is they end up a 7-9 seed depending on the length of the gelling process, that peaks as the season goes along, and no one wants to see in March.
Well I mean yes, but part of what makes this feat so impressive isn't just getting enough players. May could have done that if they just wanted bodies by offering guys without good options, but to get a collection of players together with actual talent in such a short span is mind blowing.
Yeah, that is not really on admissions, that is on Davis for not doing enough in 4 years at FAU.
This team is far more talented than that team, that first Beilein team was working with pretty much nothing talent wise and were undersized to boot. The 5th best player on this team probably would have been the best on that team.
Nah, that is absurdly pessimistic. This team has more talent than multiple teams that were in the tournament last year assuming Goldin comes. The floor is pretty much bubble now with this group, if they miss it will only because they didn't gel fast enough or injuries happened
I think some are being a tad pessimistic with projections in other threads, etc but a 6 seed is definitely a bold prediction. I think I would wager they make it as a 8-9 seed that no one wants to play in March if I had to guess.
I mean the good thing is given the average turnover in college basketball now, they will probably be playing teams still working on their chemistry somewhat too.
In the portal for bowlers? Because dude has more of a bowler body honestly.
Given the aggregate talent on the team, assuming Goldin comes, tournament is 100% a realistic goal. There were definitely teams in the field last year with less talent. Might take a little bit to gel when the season starts, but given that May is a good coach I would actually make a bet right now that this team makes the tourney.
Missing Enow Etta on that two deep, definitely sounds like will get some snaps from the practice reports.
Unless the pieces don't gel well after the initial part of the season I really don't think it will be that rough. With Goldin you are looking at a team with more talent certainly than some teams that were in the tournament last year being coached by a good coach. Tournament is becoming a very reasonable possibility. If I had to make a bet right now I would bet on them making the tournament honestly.
Definitely the pieces of a potential tourney team coming together which is kind of insane given the original state of the roster.
100% disagree on CB2, you have good young talent there, one or two will emerge as a good player. I have zero doubt about that. It is a little funny for a program that has been great with player development that people still doubt it will occur at spots where you have good young talent, it is bizarre to me quite frankly. You aren't going to have a proven starter from the prior season at every position but that doesn't necessarily mean you need a portal guy for every one of those positions.
With Goldin and one more add, NIT is probably the floor, with NCAA tournament in the realm of possibility now depending on how well the pieces gel. There were definitely teams in the tournament with less talent than this one assuming you get Goldin and another add. Though obviously there should be patience if they don't make it but it is definitely becoming more reasonable to think they have a shot.
Pretty damn impressive what May has done with the roster given the smoldering crater it was, definitely tournament bid is not out the question at all now if Goldin comes and depending on how well the pieces gel.
I mean the scouting report in BC is that they finish at an absurd rate. They haven't got many high quality chances but have pretty much scored on every single one of them. UM hasn't played poorly, but they needed a near perfect game and haven't got it.
Yeah for all those people saying the ice isn't an issue and it's just a UM problem, BC dude just did a bellyflop with no one within 5 ft of him.
Umm they literally had to take a tripping penalty caused by an odd looking mishandle at one point. So yes BC is having some issues with it too. But objectively UM has had more offensive zone possession time.
That is not true, they literally had to take a tripping penalty caused by a puck mishandle and have also fanned on a couple shots in a very odd manner.
You must by watching a different game than everyone else, UM has clearly had more puck possession time.
I mean Duke has the right to that space on the ice just as the BC player does. The BC player literally just ran straight into Duke's skate with his skate, Duke made zero motion to create any contact. That is one of the worst calls I have ever seen in a hockey game point blank.
I honestly don't think BC is playing great at all or really overwhelming UM whatsoever. Give them credit for taking advantage of what they have got chance wise, but in terms of actual puck possession UM is actually outplaying them.
I honestly don't think they have played poorly at all. In terms of offensive zone puck possession they have outplayed BC. One bad defensive miscue, a slip on what looks like bad ice and a horrific call and that is how it is 3-0.
Buccigross is literally just orgasming every time BC brings the puck in the zone.