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- 10-7-67 vs. Navy, lost 26-21 despite 308 yards rushing
- 9-20-75 vs. Stanford, tied 19-19 despite 322 yards rushing
- You aren't as good as the opposition.
- You have a lead.
- You have depth issues.
- You have conditioning issues. (This could be related to #3.)
- You have injury issues.
- You have issues getting plays communicated.
- 1/1/08 vs. Florida
- 9/23/06 vs. Wisconsin
- 9/16/06 @ Notre Dame
- 10/15/05 vs. Penn State
- 9/25/04 vs. Iowa
- 11/22/03 vs. Ohio State
- 10/12/02 vs. Penn State
- 9/29/01 vs. Illinois
- 1/1/00 vs. Alabama
- 11/13/99 @ Penn State
- 9/25/99 @ Wisconsin
- 11/14/98 vs. Wisconsin
- 11/7/98 vs. Penn State
- 1/1/98 vs. Washington State
- 11/22/97 vs. Ohio State
- 11/23/96 @ Ohio State
- 9/14/96 @ Colorado
- 11/25/95 vs. Ohio State
- 8/26/95 vs. Virginia
- Schembechler .855
- Yost .796
- Carr .779
- Crisler .777
- Moeller .775
- Oosterbaan .648
- Hoke .600
- Kipke .560
- Elliott .485
- Rodriguez .250
- 2007: 11
- 2008: 44
- 2009: 60
- 2010: 109
- 2011: 16
- 2012: 26
- 2013: 37
- 2014: 35
|2 days 2 hours ago||This is probably the last chance I'll ever have to post this...||
...but for Hoke to match RR's B1G record he would have to stay and lose every conference game from now to the end of 2019.
I'm not suggesting this current stretch is some sort of land of milk and honey, but what exactly was there in the 2008-2010 period that gave hope? I hope the next coach gets the memo: lose early and often, then everyone will be happy because the trend will be up forevermore.
|2 days 4 hours ago||Maybe you don't remember 42-7||
Maybe you don't remember 42-7 and 37-7? I do.
It'd be nice to move past the moral-victory stage to a point where wins in the series were expected, but since Carr retired outright humiliation has been more common than victory. If we're going for two in the closing seconds with a chance of a win tomorrow I'm going to think it was a good performance, regardless.
|2 days 5 hours ago||Last year there was hope.||
Last year we had Borges.
That might have increased the odds of an embarrassing goose egg but there was also always a decent chance of a wow-unreal-WTF-was-that offensive explosion.
Now we just are what we are.
|2 days 6 hours ago||Never mind the math...||
I think your calendar might be a bit off.
|2 days 7 hours ago||Ohio Stadium, 1956. Notice anything?||
|3 days 6 hours ago||I think maybe it's not so unusual in general, though.||
It's happened at least ten times in FBS just this year--New Mexico's done it four times themselves, most notably when they ran for 505 against Boise and lost 60-49. It's mostly wishbone teams on the list (at least as far as I got--I didn't run a full search) but Auburn's on there too, against TA&M.
|3 days 7 hours ago||According to the mgoblue.com stats archive||
this is the complete list of non-wins since 1949:
I'm trusting the o.p.'s work on the period since 1980--I only checked the ties.
|1 week 3 days ago||"Holds the football staff accountable..."||
...for what, exactly?
For bringing them to campus? Only one of the five names mentioned was recruited by the present football staff; one of the most common positive comments here about Hoke and his staff, back when it was acceptable to make positive comments, was that they seemed to be doing a very good job of vetting prospective players, at least where character issues are concerned.
For not disciplining them? Discipline was prompt and fairly strict in each case (perhaps not for Gibbons at the time of the incident, but again no one on the present football staff was here then). York, Gibbons and Glasgow never played another down; Hagerup missed a year; Glasgow's suspension was in line with standard practice around college football.
For not following them home during the bye-week weekend to make sure they didn't get themselves into trouble?
|1 week 3 days ago||I think you're selling the||
I think you're selling the team short. If there's anything demoralizing here it's Clark's actions, not the resulting disciplinary action. I'm guessing if you polled them you'd find that a pretty substantial majority of the team understands that Clark crossed a line and Hoke had no other option.
|1 week 5 days ago||The gap between UM and Miss St. was already very large.||
38 points large, in fact.
|1 week 6 days ago||I think maybe you need to revisit the definition of "leverage".||
The accreditor's leverage is damn near infinite. The reason schools so seldom lose their accreditation is that in virtually every case they do whatever their accreditor demands.
(And in the case of a major public university like UNC you can scratch the qualifiers "seldom" and "virtually". A tiny private school whose raison d'etre is threatened by the accreditor's requirements might choose suicide; UNC will not.)
|1 week 6 days ago||There is only one scenario.||
They implement whatever changes are required of them by their accrediting body.
|2 weeks 10 hours ago||Noticed that?||
Curious coincidence: Stoops also has a "failure to monitor" on his record at Oklahoma.
I know there's a portion of the fanbase that doesn't care about that stuff and just wants to win, regardless--I console myself with the suspicion that that particular faction won't have any pull with Schlissel and is unlikely to have much pull with any AD Schlissel would hire.
|2 weeks 13 hours ago||I heard Desmond's comment differently...||
I thought he was calling out the players, not the staff. It would fall in my "stuff people might know but can't talk about in public" category and he did it as directly as he possibly could.
|2 weeks 23 hours ago||I'm not sure why a bad||
I'm not sure why a bad offense makes you want to shorten the game more than a bad defense would.
Reasons for a slow tempo that make sense to me (there are probably more):
I've been thinking #5 has had a lot to do with it this year. Gardner in particular is obviously dinged; it seems to get worse as the game goes on, and making the game short means less deterioration in his condition. It's why I thought the decision to run out the clock before the half last week seemed obvious--he'd struggled in the prior possession, missing a throw badly that he didn't step into, and it seemed like 20 minutes of rest was a good idea.
|2 weeks 1 day ago||RR had a similar mismatch of||
RR had a similar mismatch of talent and scheme when he started. At some point we have to stick with something long enough to have a roster that matches the system.
|2 weeks 1 day ago||Hoke is 18-12.||
Those were B1G winning percentages, not overall. Michigan's peers are the large, midwestern state schools. There's been a lot of change in non-conference scheduling over the years, but the conference is the conference.
|2 weeks 1 day ago||This is starting to remind me..||
...of people whose sure-fire method of beating the stock market is to always buy the stock that's about to go up.
Do you have some way of identifying a Tressel in advance? If Michigan made a similar FCS hire now--hired Beau Baldwin, say--would you be in favor?
This hindsight stuff is BS. You can't call Retroactive Brokers to place your trade three years ago--you've got to make a decision based on information available now. And selling every stock you have that shows red is just a way to feed your broker with transaction costs.
|2 weeks 1 day ago||Nine wins is a bad year?||
Michigan's had nine or fewer wins in 24 of the last 36 seasons. That's a lot of bad years.
Don't get me wrong, few schools have done better. Michigan's 8th, nationally, in wins over that stretch. Nobody has a long-term history of "9 wins is a bad year."
|2 weeks 1 day ago||It's funny...||
...I've always thought that if RR had fired one less assistant, had let Shafer do his job and told the position coaches to stop acting like children and get on board, the whole story would have turned out differently.
|2 weeks 1 day ago||I was thinking Minnesota||
I was thinking Minnesota East, instead of Pitt West.
In the mid- to late-60's Minnesota and Michigan were in the same place: still high in the all-time-wins listings (Minnesota was still ahead of OSU in all-time winning percentage as late as 1967) but with reputations as traditional powers that weren't supported by recent results, except for one fine Rose Bowl season for each ('61 and '64).
If you could go back in time to the '67 Jug game and you told the fans there that one of these schools would win 39 of the next 42 played between the teams, or that one was about to embark on a stretch of 40 straight winning seasons while the other had seen their last Rose Bowl for half a century, they wouldn't believe you and they'd have no idea which team was supposed to be which.
There but for the grace of Canham....
|2 weeks 1 day ago||If after you strip out all a||
If after you strip out all a coach's best seasons you're still left with 9-3 and 8-4, yeah, that's as good as there's any reason to expect. There isn't a school in the country where 9-3 is the floor--every single school has had a season worse than that in the last decade.
Firing every coach that loses four or five games in a season is a good way to kill a program, and no athletic director operates that way.
|2 weeks 1 day ago||The shift to Big 2 Little 8||
The shift to Big 2 Little 8 exactly corresponds to Bo's arrival at Michigan.
Maybe that wasn't a coincidence? It's possible that all eight other schools got much worse simultaneously but Occam's razor suggests Michigan getting better is a more likely explanation.
|2 weeks 1 day ago||I am too...||
...but the Fremeau data starts in 2007.
|2 weeks 1 day ago||5-6 hadn't happened yet, at||
5-6 hadn't happened yet, at the time of the quotes in the article I linked. He was, at that time, the second best coach in the history of the school and of his conference, and he'd been to nine straight bowl games.
If you read contemporary accounts it's absolutely clear why he was fired and that 5-6, while it made it easier, wasn't the reason because it was coming regardless.
And how'd they do in the decade-and-a-half following?
He's exhibit B in my "if you let the fans drive your hiring/firing choices you're on the road to football hell" brief.
|2 weeks 1 day ago||Talk about ending droughts...||
Michigan's most recent wins over EOS top-20 teams (Massey):
Carr did this 19 times in 12 seasons, including his very last game in charge...and it hasn't happened in the seven seasons since.
(Moeller had 7 in 5 seasons; Bo had 28 in 21.)
|2 weeks 1 day ago||winning percentages at Michigan||
Maybe this is part of the reason why? B1G winning percentages at the school (minimum 20 games):
85% against your peers would be good regardless, but the contrast to the period immediately prior is stark. People think "big two/little eight" but Michigan had lost more conference games than they'd won, in the decade before Bo.
|2 weeks 1 day ago||Good point. Let's go tempo-free then.||
Defensive FEI rankings for Michigan through the years:
By Carr-era standards this isn't a good defense. But by the standards set at Michigan over the last decade it's OK.
|2 weeks 1 day ago||That's not actually true, with Akers.||
Fred Akers was fired because he was hated by people close to Darrel Royal, who didn't want him hired in the first place. There were many comments early in that final season that made it clear that Akers was gone "even if he wins a national championship." And this was a man who'd been to a bowl in every one of his nine seasons, who'd had three near-misses at national championships, who had the second-best winning percentage not just in the history of the school but in the history of their conference.
He had four top-ten seasons; after he was fired they went 15 years before it happened again.
|2 weeks 1 day ago||do you even read what you're responding to?||
Did I say we should keep Hoke? Did I say we shouldn't? All I did was give an answer to your rhetorical question--it's got fuck-all to do with Brady Hoke.