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- Indiana #110
- Akron #88
- UConn #55
- Chris Perry. 9 starts, 606 yards. Had a broken leg along the way, of course.
- Anthony Thomas, 43 starts, 3891 yards.
- Mike Hart, 1 start, 264 yards.
- Tim Biakabatuka, 35 starts, 2530 yards. Seemed like he was headed for a decent career until the leg injury (the most gruesome I've ever seen).
- Jamie Morris, 7 starts, 777 yards.
- Gordon Bell, 0 starts, 90 yards.
- Lawrence Ricks, 0 starts, 29 yards.
- Tony Boles, dnp.
- Ron Johnson, 4308 yards
- Butch Woolfolk, 51 starts, 1923 yards.
- Billy Taylor, dnp
- Ricky Powers, 51 yards.
- Russell Davis, 2 starts, 474 yards
- Rob Lytle, 23 starts, 1451 yards.
- Stanley Edwards, 9 starts, 533 yards
- Tyrone Wheatley, 45 starts, 4962 yards.
- Harlan Huckleby, 14 starts, 779 yards.
- Leroy Hoard, 66 starts, 3964.
|18 hours 48 min ago||Year 1 they lost to TCU||
Year 1 they lost to TCU 55-12. That wasn't a good team--they didn't beat anyone in the top 100--and it was pretty much par for the cours, the year before Hoke/Borges arrived they'd lost 41-7.
Year 2 they lost to Missouri 27-24 and lost to TCU 40-35. That was TCU's 13-0 team that won the Rose Bowl . Someone's probably about to point out that the 35 included a defensive TD and they got back into the game late. Still TCU had given up 23 points total in the six games prior, all conference games; 35 was a big number. The week before they had beaten the #5 team in the country 47-7 .
One thing seems consistent through Al's career: when he's overmatched like that, he goes for the big play. Against Missouri:
Ronnie Hillman 75 Yd Run (Abel Perez Kick)
Ronnie Hillman 93 Yd Run (Abel Perez Kick)
Ronnie Hillman rush for 21 yards to the SDSt 33 for a 1ST down.
That's 182 yards on those five plays. They only had 118 on the other 42 plays.
|20 hours 53 min ago||No, he left the year before.||
No, he left the year before. Tuberville (presumably) requested his resignation when the season ended and immediately hired Tony Franklin from Troy. They won their bowl game, entered the next year ranked I think #11. There were grumbles when they beat Mississippi State 3-2 early the next year, the offense didn't improve much from there and Tuberville fired Franklin halfway through the season. He was gone himself at year's end, they finished 5-7.
|22 hours 36 min ago||For signature win...||
...maybe 52-28 at Arizona in '98? That was Arizona's only loss and they only gave up 15 per game the rest of the schedule.
That season's a pretty good example of what I meant above. UCLA scored a crapload of points, were never held under 28 and scored over 40 on three different ranked teams. But the defense wasn't very good and after a 10-0 start they lost games at the end of the year by 49-45 to Miami and 38-31 to Wisconsin in the Rose.
Or the flipside--Auburn beat LSU 10-9 in '04. Does he get credit for that?
|22 hours 59 min ago||"I would assume he didn't||
"I would assume he didn't face a ton of great defenses at places like Portland, Boise or SDS."
Looking at the Massey database, in 2010 he faced the #5 defense (TCU) and the #8 defense (Missouri), in 2009 the #9 defense (TCU again). I'm not sure why that gets lumped with the FCS and D2 jobs at the beginning of his career.
|23 hours 11 min ago||Why would you use wins and||
Why would you use wins and losses to assess an OC instead of some measure of offensive performance? He has no control over half of the team. Makes no sense unless you already know what the result it likely to be and you have an axe to grind, like trying to convince someone that Michigan's offense wasn't good in 2010 (huh?) or that Saturday's game against OSU wasn't a good performance even though it was the best offensive performance against them in a century.
|23 hours 52 min ago||That's the class of 2010...||
matriculating through the program, or attriting out as the case may be. When they're second years whatever you get is sort of a bonus. But by now they're supposed to be the heart of the team, and what do we have?
That's everyone that's even on the depth chart. Some fine players on there, but it's a pretty sad haul for an entire recruiting year.
|1 day 32 min ago||Something else I'll toss out there...||
Defensive rankings of the weaker teams on the schedule:
Connecticut was awful, but it was the offensive side of the ball that was the tire fire (they were #114, even worse than Purdue). That defensive ranking slots them right in between #54 LSU and #56 Georgia. It was a decent defense, handcapped by bad field position given up by their offense.
Worth remembering, when you evaluate that game.
Weirdly, Michigan played seven teams ranked between #25 and #43. MSU was #3.
|1 day 45 min ago||I didn't realize Kiper had||
I didn't realize Kiper had him so high. I haven't seen any other board where he's even drafted;; I'll be shocked if he's taken before the 7th.
|1 day 53 min ago||Total offense is very different though.||
Among other things, FEI is tempo- and schedule-adjusted.
|1 day 57 min ago||I wish there was a way to see this game-by-game...||
because I'd love to break 2012 into pre- and post-injury. One of the things this chart screams at me is DENARD. He was even more valuable than I realized.
|1 day 1 hour ago||These aren't quite final||
These aren't quite final numbers; there's a bowl game to play. I'll try to remember to put up a diary in January.
|1 day 15 hours ago||Stanford o-line, left to right.||
SO, SR, RS SR, RS SR, RS JR
Depending on how you measure it, that's probably top 20 in FBS, experience-wise. We were bottom ten.
|1 day 16 hours ago||Good, that's a fair answer. I||
Good, that's a fair answer. I don't want to see an egg either. And I don't think we will unless the game's played in gail winds or a blizzard or something. We don't exactly have the squad to push people around when the weather won't let you throw.
I asked because I'm curious (and you're usually pretty reasonable). Expectations get tossed around here--no more than two losses ever in a season, games like OSU all the time--that no program in history has ever matched. Don't know why I let it get to me, but it does.
|1 day 16 hours ago||And then there was 2013||
And then there was 2013 NCAAB. Remember posts like this? (I don't mean to call out any particular poster, there were no end of examples of this)
It was going to be a disaster forever because Beilein was soft and didn't know how to draw up an offensive scheme. "No plays or strategy."
That was written on March 16, 2013.
|1 day 18 hours ago||How'd that decision work out for Auburn?||
The guy they brought in to replace him was fired halfway through the season; his boss was gone at season's end after preseason #11 turned into 5-7/2-6 with the two conference wins by scores of 3-2 and 12-10.
Maybe Al wasn't the problem there after all?
|1 day 18 hours ago||They're also just a few years||
They're also just a few years distant from a 30-losses-in-5-years stretch.
No program, no matter how dominant, goes 10-2 or better every year. Nobody. 9-3 happens. 7-5 happens too sometimes.
|1 day 18 hours ago||What are your opinions of||
What are your opinions of RR's 2010 and 2011 recruiting classes?
The program was cratering. We can argue about why, but it was happening.
|1 day 18 hours ago||If you're expecting OSU again||
If you're expecting OSU again you'll probably be disappointed. A game like that hadn't happened in the history of the program (well, recorded history anyway--Yost probably had better). There have been more yards but not against a team of calibre.
Would, say, 400-450 yards and 30 points against a decent defense do? Or has he now set the bar at 600 and anything less gets him internet-fired?
|1 day 19 hours ago||Michigan hasn't ever had that||
Michigan hasn't ever had that much success with backs in the NFL, have they? Not that their haven't been any, but compared to the steady stream of QBs and receivers and linemen it's not an imposing list. Going through the list of top-20 rushing seasons and skipping the QBs:
Did I miss anyone*?
Only five players with 2000 yards or more. Hoard had a terrific career considering he was a FB a good chunk of the time.
Some good players but SC it is not. And it's awfully pale stacked next to the long line of QBs including an all-time great, or the all-timers on the offensive line. Historically it's probably been Michigan's weakest position, in terms of putting people into the pros. It's not something that just started with Jackson's tenure.
*Harbaugh ran for 2700 yards. We can borrow Fargas from SC's list, they don't need him.
|1 day 19 hours ago||In what world does that make sense?||
It made sense to you in '08, didn't it? Rodriguez started Nick Sheridan at QB, used two freshmen over the returning upperclassmen at RB and spent the entire year running plays that didn't work particularly well, because he wanted to be better in future years at the plays that didn't work that year. The offense was terrible and we won three games.
And he was right. If you hire Rich Rodriguez it's because you're going to run a spread, not whatever offense happens to be best for the returning talent you happen to have. What mattered was getting the offense installed, not worrying about what the record would be that first year.
|1 day 20 hours ago||This.||
If it's true that we were showing tendencies (which after all isn't so surprising, since every team does), this game should be proof that avoiding tendencies isn't all-important.
That was the best offensive performance against OSU in over a century. I don't think it was their worst defense of the century and it sure as hell isn't our best offense. So the tendencies don't seem to have hurt us so much, do they?
|1 day 20 hours ago||How do you know the play was||
How do you know the play was the same before and after the timeout? All you know is that the formation was the same.
|1 day 20 hours ago||Well, not everyone.|
|2 days 33 min ago||I don't have time to say a||
I don't have time to say a lot, but a few things:
1. In each case, the decision to transform the offense was made before the season started. What happened during the season with injuries and (unexpected) player development was irrelevant to the decision, so I didn't consider it. What I'm really after here is how reasonable the decision was to sacrifice some performance, and some wins, in order to implement the transition.
2. I disagree about Schiling/Schofield--I see them as basically equivalent as seniors, if not a slight edge to Schilling. He was drafted, after all. Schofield doesn't currently project to be at any of the draft sites Ive looked at (sometimes he's listed as "7/FA" so there's a chance he might go at the end). Schilling was Outland watchlisted; Schofield wasn't.
3. The injury to Toussaint had already happened and the lack of depth hurt badly. Post-injury Toussaint was never the same, unfortunately, and I'd give the edge to every single one of the '08 upperclassmen. Of course, because of the transition RR decided to go with the freshmen, who were better suited to his offense.
|2 days 1 hour ago||Miles a delegator?||
That's funny, because the article I quoted Cameron from below was about the general perception that Miles meddles too much in his coordinator's jobs.
Not that I disagree with you; I think it's just a matter of what you expect. He doesn't call the game, but he doesn't sit back and let someone else call it either. So from either perspective it looks like the other.
|2 days 1 hour ago||Have you watched any of the||
Have you watched any of the SDSU film on youtube?
You should. It wasn't stale.
A lot of the verbal emphasis on power running is for public relations purposes, to both boosters and recruits. It won't be cloud-of-dust and it isn't really an old-style WCO because there's much more vertical stretching of the defense..
Unless anything but the spread is "stale". I know there are people that feel that way.
|2 days 1 hour ago||Was this team's talent level||
Was this team's talent level on offense really that much better than '08? Here's how things looked at the beginning of each season (I grant that some things went wrong during the course of '08). Rivals ratings throughout.
QB: 4-star RS JR Gardner vs. 4-star RS FR Threet. Gardner wins on experience, obviously. The use of Sheridan was forced by RR's completely understandable decision to install his own offense.
RB: 4-star RS SR Toussaint, 5-star FR Green, 3-star FR Smith vs. 4-star JR Minor, 4-star JR Brown, 5-star RS JR Grady, 4-star FR McGuffie, 4-star FR Shaw. By the end of the year when Green and Smith were ready to play things were different, but experience and depth favor '08.
WR: 4-star RS SR Gallon, 3-star SR Dileo, 3-star RS FR Chesson vs. 4-star SO Clemons, 3-star SO Hemingway, 4-star JR Mathews. A little better talent in '08, more experience in '13. More or less a wash. Including Funchess here just replaces one 3-star with another.
TE: 3-star SO Funchess, 4-star FR Butt, 3-star SO Williams vs. 3-star RS JR Butler. No contest. Literally so, since only one of these offense featured tight ends.
LT: 4-star RS SR Lewan vs. 3-star RS JR Ortmann.
LG: walk-on RS SO Glasgow vs. 3-star RS JR McAvoy
C: 3-star RS SO Miller vs. 3-star RS FR Molk. We know better, but based on experience and rating I don't have a choice.
RG: 5-star RS FR Kalis vs. 4-star RS JR Moosman. Opinions may differ here but I think two years of experience at guard is worth a star and then some, at the beginning of a career.
RT: 4-star RS SR Schofield vs. 5-star RS SO Schilling. Same choice as at RG. If anything you can make a better case for Schilling than Kalis because (1) it's later in his career and the extra expereince is counting for less (year 4 to year 5 doesn't change a whole lot IMO) and (2) apparently experience matters less at tackle than guard. If you want to take Kalis over Moosman, you have to take Schilling over Schofield. Works out the same either way.
Both squads were young and the talent levels mediocre by traditional Michigan standards. There were two 5-stars on each squad; '08s had some experience while '13s were both freshmen. '08 had five 3-stars starting if you include a TE; '13 had three or four 3-stars starting (depending on whether you count Dileo or Butt) plus one walkon.
Maybe there's an overall edge for the current squad--quarterback's a critical position after all--but it isn't huge. I think '08 seemed awful because we were used to better. By '13 we were used to three-stars and the younger better guys seemed like an improvement, but all we've really done so far (I mean players on the field, not the commits still in HS) is return to late-Carr recruiting levels.
Of course when you put a walk-on at QB '08 becomes much much worse. But again, that decision was forced by the change of offense.
It's not so much that I disagree with your coments on '08; that ceiling sounds about right. Where we differ is that I don't think the ceiling was high this year either. That Football Outsiders prediction of 7-5 because the interior of the offensive line wouldn't hold up? It doesn't look so strange to me, comparing the two rosters.
|2 days 2 hours ago||Cameron, in an interview||
Cameron, in an interview about his new job under Miles and how the playcalling would be handled:
I don't think he'd say "we called plays together at Michigan" if Moeller was handling all the playcalling; it sounds like Cameron had the call with input from Moeller and the position coaches.
|2 days 17 hours ago||There had only been one this||
There had only been one this year--Gardner's OT run against NW. I think there were two last year, both in the bowl game. Smith ran a speed option on one, we were in twins on the other and Gardner rolled out.
Maybe they extrapolated from goal line situations or fourth and not-quite-short, but they didn't get it from prior conversion tries.
|2 days 18 hours ago||I thought it might be, but not quite.||
According to the OSU record book Michigan's 603 total yards is the second most ever against an Ohio State team. The record is 659 by Illinois in 1980; Dave Wilson threw for 612.
Again, these records don't go back to Yost's time, and I don't know how Michigan could have scored 86 without picking up a few yards.