that's unfortunate, but at least the interest is there on both sides
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|1 day 3 hours ago||If it's not the thread for it||
If it's not the thread for it then why are you saying it in this thread?
Harbaugh will have very good recruiting. Will it be as good as OSU right now? No, they just won the national title. No one's will be as good as theirs. But we will be close enough that we can compete. We will have top 10 classes, don't worry.
|1 day 3 hours ago||Joe Staley was a scrawny||
Joe Staley was a scrawny track star in high school. Now he's an All-Pro LT. I'm sure if Dunaway is 6'6" and worthy of a Michigan scholarship, he's got a big frame. I'm not saying I think he'll be a tackle, but I bet he could handle the weight. he could be AJ Williams size for sure.
|1 day 9 hours ago||I was definitely not being||
I was definitely not being sarcastic. As a man, you should know what kind of engine is in your car.
|1 day 9 hours ago||They've never made Accords||
They've never made Accords with a V8 buddy. You don't even know what kind of engine was in your first car? Kids these days.
|1 day 9 hours ago||Oh, close - mine was a 1994||
Oh, close - mine was a 1994 Ford Escort LX. Manual transmission but automatic seat belts. I called it the RaceScort.
|1 day 16 hours ago||But that might not be totally||
But that might not be totally necessary. In 2016 we'll have Walton, Irvin, MAAR and Dawkins, plus one more guard since I doubt Hatch will still be on scholarship by then. That's plenty, and we can replace Walton and Irvin with 2017 wings/guards. If one of them leaves after next season, you get your wish about 2016.
|2 days 4 hours ago||Lots of recruits jump on the||
Lots of recruits jump on the first big offer they get. Sometimes they don't stick with it, but usually they do. Had the first big offer been Wisconsins he might not have wanted to switch to Michigan down the road after forming a connection with Wisconsin and their staff and so on.
He likely jumped on his Michigan offer because this is his first choice. But when your first choice doesn't offer you but choices 2, 3 and 4 do, your old first choice starts to lose that luster and he may not have considered us down the road if we waited too long to offer.
|2 days 4 hours ago||Maybe on the high end the Fab||
Maybe on the high end the Fab 5 team was better (you could argue their top 3 were better than the 2013 top 3) but the next two in 2013 were better than King and Jackson.
And there's a reason I said that most programs don't have teams like that. Some do, but very few.
I don't get all the complaining. Outside off this year, after a mass exodus and tons of injuries, we have been perpetually very good. Why are we all of a sudden doubting this system?
|2 days 4 hours ago||We can debate that sort of||
We can debate that sort of stuff all we want. But we also can't set our expectations at that team. That 2013 team was the most talented team MIchigan has ever trotted out there, more talented than most programs have ever had. All 5 starters were NBA draft picks and 4 of the 5 were first rounders.
So yeah, we probably won't have that kind of talent any time soon. Either will almost anyone else.
|2 days 4 hours ago||I'm not writing him off, but||
I'm not writing him off, but he's two full years into the program and still looks lost. My only point was that if Beilein has had any recruiting "misses" he would be one.
|2 days 4 hours ago||I hear you on that, but||
I hear you on that, but usually whenever we hear "it seems odd to me" on the board it's because the guys making these decisions (Beilein) knows something we don't. Maybe he knows Donnal is one foot out the door, or that he really won't be a center? Maybe he knows this VCU kid is in the fold, so he's less worried about a wing in 2016. There are lots of explanations, and just because we don't know them doesn't mean they don't exist.
|2 days 4 hours ago||We really can't compare to||
We really can't compare to what we had in 2013. For one, we had the national POY. Regardless of your other 4, that will always make a huge difference. And not only that, of the 5 starters that year, 4 of them were 3 atars when they committed to us, and 2 of them were still 3 stars on signing day. So it's not like they were all world beaters. That was just the perfect storm.
That team was built around 3 guys - Stauskas, Burke and Hardaway - wildly outperforming their recruiting rankings. The two guy from that line up that were highly ranked recruits when it was all said and done - GRIII and McGary - were complimentary pieces. They played really well at times, but were not the backbone of that team. McGary didn't even play all that much for most of the year.
|2 days 4 hours ago||Also - not every kid needs to||
Also - not every kid needs to be an NBA player. Lots of good programs, ours included, get a lot of contribution out of guys like Spike and Jordan Morgan.
|2 days 4 hours ago||Yeah, we thought Dawkins,||
Yeah, we thought Dawkins, MAAR and Spike were perplexing too. And most expected Caris to be nothing more than filler.
Bottom line - Beilein hasn't had many misses. And the few who have been, Donnal comes to mind, was a 4 star recruit anyway. You're always gonna miss sometimes.
|2 days 4 hours ago||First of all, "top-100"||
First of all, "top-100" recruit isn't exactly a high bar in basketball, and most of those guys were near the bottom of the top-100, at least when they committed. And you don't know that this Davis kid won't be a top-100 when it's all said and done. This argument holds little water. Most of the kids Beilein has sent to the NBA were not sought after recruits.
Plus LeVert. Not a top 100 recruit.
|2 days 6 hours ago||Just because they all can||
Just because they all can doesn't mean they all will. And it's very likely we only have 2 more years of Donnal, at the most.
|2 days 6 hours ago||You don't know that. Other||
You don't know that. Other Big Ten coaches were looking at him, and if one of them offers and we wait, he goes elsewhere. If Beilein didn't want to risk that, you offer him now.
|2 days 6 hours ago||Trey Burke - 3 star we stole||
Trey Burke - 3 star we stole from Penn State who had not elite offers.
That is who Beilein has put into the NBA from M (Plus Levert). Let's not act like Beilein has been pulling in 5-stars and sending them to the league. Most of our NBA guys were no names when they committed to us.
|2 days 7 hours ago||That's not true. I'm assuming||
That's not true. I'm assuming you're counting Chatman, but Wilson was a top-100 recruit too. And can we give the guy a little latitude? He has a pretty good track record at finding guys that aren't top recruits who end up playing like one. No doubt Aubrey Dawkins was one of the top-100 frosh in the country, no?
|2 days 7 hours ago||Geez, you're all a bunch of||
Geez, you're all a bunch of dicks. We've got one of the best coaches in all of college basketball and you're all a better talent scout than he is all of a sudden. Holy smokes.
|2 days 9 hours ago||Michigan offered Ambry Thomas||
Michigan offered Ambry Thomas today per his (and everyone else's) Twitter. Now M has offered every 2017 in-stater in the Top 247.
|2 days 9 hours ago||Oh, without a doubt. He's||
Oh, without a doubt. He's probably the best high school player* in West Michigan history. That guy was good.
*Chris Kaman is obviously the best pro to come out of West Michigan, but as a high schooler many have been better. He was just huge.
|2 days 13 hours ago||If you truly almost forgot,||
If you truly almost forgot, I'm glad they reminded you. In a time when most michigan fans are complaining about a $20 ticket price swing, this couple gave 10 million dollars(!) to our football program. That is not a common act, so I'm glad it's there to remind you.
|2 days 13 hours ago||I think it's a bigger deal||
I think it's a bigger deal than getting one commitment.
|2 days 13 hours ago||Can we show up to these camps||
Can we show up to these camps and check it out?
|2 days 14 hours ago||It seriously cracks me up||
It seriously cracks me up when OSU fans follow Michigan coaches on Twitter and then respond to their tweets (which don't relate to OSU at all) with buckeye related posts. Considering how good their team is, they're a sad bunch.
|2 days 14 hours ago||Yes, I believe it is.||
Yes, I believe it is.
|2 days 14 hours ago||Agreed. Hatch is not a D1||
Agreed. Hatch is not a D1 player. He's far from it, unfortunately. If Beilein thought he just needed more time to recover, he would have redshirted this season, not played some garbage time minutes. Since he did, I think that means he played when he had the chance and will be in some other capacity moving forward. If for some reason we have an open scholarship, they'll keep him.
|2 days 17 hours ago||I watched a game on ESPN||
I watched a game on ESPN between McGary's HS (is that Brewster?) against Nerlens Noel's prep school (I can't remember the name). At this time, McGary was the big name and Noel was still up and coming, and he outplayed McGary by a long shot. Anyway, the entire starting 5 for both teams were D1 bound, and Noel's team was the more stacked of the two.
HOWEVA, since you said those don't count - the best team I've watched in person is Drew Neitzel's Wyoming Park team, probably his sophomore year. He was playing our school (Forest Hills Northern) and we, like most years, had a very good basketball team. Neitzel absolutely lit us up, hitting shots from everywhere on the floor, but had enough other options that we couldn't just triple team him. That team was really good and I think they won the state championship that year, albeit Class B.
|2 days 17 hours ago||In response to your second||
In response to your second paragraph - I would argue that you cannot get something of equal or greater quality as the Chop House (or Rolex or Mercedes, depending on what you value) at a lower price. A nice steak dinner is not cheap anywhere, but there is certainly a drop off in quality, as well as service, at a place like Chop House compared to the nexy price tier below.