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|2 days 10 hours ago||If that was his goal, you||
If that was his goal, you know he could just tell them, right? That's what an agent's job is. You don't have to leak it to the press for your other potential suitors to know what they need to pay.
|3 days 9 hours ago||First - Martellus Bennett is||
First - Martellus Bennett is not that good. Second - Matt Forte is 29 and Brandon Marshall is 30. Both of those guys have just a couple high level years left. And Jay Cutler sucks. The Bears aren't doing anything for a while.
|3 days 14 hours ago||Champions refers to more than||
Champions refers to more than just the football field.
|4 days 8 hours ago||4 Loco till dawn for me.||
4 Loco till dawn for me.
|4 days 8 hours ago||I kinda thought I had dibs on||
I kinda thought I had dibs on MGoBrewMom.
|5 days 19 hours ago||You could certainly argue||
You could certainly argue that Ross has more invested in Michigan, between time and money, than he has in Miami. He could sell the Dolphins today and recoup what he paid and he's done. He's not getting his 250MM back from Michigan.
|1 week 4 hours ago||I'm not sure how many of the||
I'm not sure how many of the UK guys are lottery picks - though most of them are draft picks.
Remember - all of the 76ers are NBA draft picks, and have gotten better since then. And many were lottery picks, plus you've weeded out who is a bust.
|1 week 11 hours ago||I don't get it.||
I don't get it.
|1 week 13 hours ago||Hutchinson was from Florida||
Hutchinson was from Florida too, IIRC. And current standout Mason Cole. I wouldn't mind another Martavious Odoms, either.
|1 week 18 hours ago||Any coach who comes in with a||
Any coach who comes in with a track record for success will recruit very well right off the bat. Look at James Franklin - PSU isn't as big of a name as MIchigan and James Franklin hasn't had a ton of success as a HC, but some. Yet just by being "new" and selling "hope" he has recruited incredibly well. Hoke did the same thing, remember? Any new Michigan coach will sell to recruits all the normal Michigan stuff plus "bringing Michigan back to the top." That will last a couple years regardless of on-field success, and then we will have to win.
That's why I don't care how long it takes to get a coach. When we get one, recruits will come. What I care about is getting a coach who can win so that the recruits keep coming 3+ years down the road.
|1 week 18 hours ago||In regards to your 3rd||
In regards to your 3rd paragraph - yes that's possible, but we have no reason to assume this. It's a successful firm that has worked with lots of other big organizatoins (with good results). To assume they totally botched what they do well is probably not the safest assumption.
As for your last paragraph - do you want the guys those schools hired? Because I sure don't. But you're exactly right that if we wanted to avoid the search firm and hire a mediocre coach, we could have done that by now.
|1 week 18 hours ago||The only way your last||
The only way your last paragraph could be a legitimate criticim of the search firm is if both a) Miles was left off the list by the firm, and b) Miles wanted to take the job (because part of the job of the firm is to guage interest - they won't include anyone on the list who wouldn't take the job if offered).
We don't know either of those things, so you can't blame the search firm for that. It's entirely possible that Miles was on that list and Brandon passed on him.
|1 week 18 hours ago||Sure, he recruits in a||
Sure, he recruits in a talent-rich environment, but he also competes directly with Texas, TAMU, Alabama, Auburn, Florida and Georgia. Those are heavy hitters and he wins on lots of top recruits. And that's not because he had lots of Southern ties before he got there.
Michigan doesn't have the talent that Louisiana has. But they have far less local competition and they are able to cast a wider net. Michigan can bring in LSU-level recruiting classes by focusing on MI and OH and grabbing kids from CA, MD/NJ, VA/NC or Texas a few times a year.
|1 week 18 hours ago||We really don't. If we get a||
We really don't. If we get a good coach, getting him on Jan 6th (which is my birthday so that would be awesome) will be just as good as now. Not a lot of recruiting will happen between now and then anyway, and it's a small class. I want to get a good coach that will win with our talent, and the recruiting will follow. Let's not let recruiting impact our decision here even 1%.
|1 week 18 hours ago||I agree, I'm OK with that||
I agree, I'm OK with that too. But it's possible that we can have our cake and eat it too.
This is why MIchigan has reached out to their non-Harbaugh options. If Herman is a legitimate option for Michigan, they likely had a conversation that went something like "You are one of our top non-Harbaugh options and it's entirely possibe he's not an option. We intend to consider you very seriously, so don't go out and jump at the first job offer you get that isn't as good as us."
If Herman gets offered the job at Houston and he has a shot at the Michigan job, he will likely tell Houston they need to wait on Michigan's decision. If they don't, he can get a job similar to Houston every year if he wants.
|1 week 18 hours ago||Haha, that makes more sense.||
Haha, that makes more sense. I probably just read it wrong, and it was gone shortly thereafter.
He probably texts, so the rumor must be true.
|1 week 18 hours ago||Well, that's not only silly,||
Well, that's not only silly, but that's not the way those firms work. They don't make the choice for you, they give you a number of options so you can pick what you like best.
The only way I could bring you girls without bringing you any ugly ones is if I just brought you fewer girls (and I didn't say ugly, I said ugliest - there will always be an ugliest even if there are two and both are very attractive). If I gave you 20 girls and you don't want the ugliest one(s) than don't date them. If I brought you both ugly and hot girls and you picked an ugly one, whose fault is that? Maybe the uglier ones were super nice or smart (or dumb, whatever you like) or rich or loved pleasing you while you play video games. I give you options, and you pick the option you like best.
A search firm doesn't replace the interview process. It just finds people for the interview process.
Maybe a better dating example: You want to date girls but you don't know where to find them so I bring you to a party where lots of available girls will be hanging out. Now you do the rest.
|1 week 18 hours ago||It wasn't anything new, but||
It wasn't anything new, but someone claimed they say a text message from Gary Moeller confirming it. I hope that's not too much info.
I'm actually surprised that Gary Moeller knows how to text message. Outside of RichRod, finding out that any ex-M HC sends text messages is a surprise to me.
|1 week 19 hours ago||You know search firms don't||
You know search firms don't hire people, right? They just find candidates, and then it's the company's job to interview and decide. So yeah, that search firm brought Hoke and Brandon in as candidates, along with every other reasonable candidate, but Michigan picked them.
Example: If you asked me to find you a girlfriend, and I found 20 single girls who were interested in you, whose fault is it when you pick the ugliest one?
|1 week 19 hours ago||Any other coach offered the||
Any other coach offered the job (that we're considering) would take it now. They want to get started on their new job as soon as possible. They want to get a staff in place, get recruting, get meeting their team, etc. Unless they have a legit shot at a national title (which none of our candidates have with maaaybe the exception of Herman, but that's as an OC, not a head coach) they will leave their team immediately, as they should.
|1 week 19 hours ago||Which position group on our||
Which position group on our team is undersized? Serious question.
I don't fucking buy this at all. We've had guys who were underdeveloped and the scheme wasn't always great. Our DBs were disappointing, but that doesn't have anything to do with bulk. Our OL was pretty young, but still not small for Big Ten standards.
So which guys on our team should have been bigger?
|1 week 19 hours ago||First of all, he has not||
First of all, he has not coached most of these players before. The only guys he will have coached before are the 5th year seniors who likely didn't play when he was there last because they were redshirting. And I don't know why that's a good reason anyway.
Why is his record not bad and what does it being Pitt football have to do with it? Pitt is not a bad football program, and in his time there he lost to teams such as Akron (this year) and Youngstown St, both at home. He went 6-6 all 3 seasons, so he showed absolutely no improvement. And it's not like he had a murderer's row of a schedule. A good test is: If this guy didn't have previous ties to Wisconsin, would he still be a good hire? I can't imagine why.
In what world is this an A+ hire? I would say it's incredibly underwhelming, but maybe I should expect that from Wisconsin now.
|1 week 19 hours ago||I'm not sure that's a great||
I'm not sure that's a great argument, just because it happened once 30 years ago. Typically guys who have a very mediocre first coaching stop don't kill it at the next one.
|1 week 1 day ago||So after going 19-19 in 3||
So after going 19-19 in 3 seasons at Pitt, Wisconsin just had to have him, huh? And people wonder why we're taking so much time.
|1 week 1 day ago||I'm not sure, but maybe Bob||
I'm not sure, but maybe Bob Stoops? I'm not sure what that has to do with your arguement directly.
I agree that it's a risk. A risk doesn't mean he's doomed, so saying "Bob Stoops" doesn't refute the fact that he's a risk, because then I can say "Will Muschamp" and we can go on for days. The reality is, elite programs don't hire coordinators who have never been HCs very often at all. Sometimes they do when they feel they have an awesome guy on their staff already, but there's a reason that's not the recommended method. It's risky.
|1 week 1 day ago||Exactly. If I offered you||
Exactly. If I offered you (not you Brian, but the guy above who asked) a job at a comparable company, that was a step up from what you were doing now and was going to pay you 5x or so more for doing it - would you take it? There are very few circumstances where the answer isn't "In a heart beat."
Herman doesn't have any special connections to OSU or Columbus, and even if he has family nearby, it's not a huge geographic move. It's totally possible he doesn't accept a HC job at a smaller school because the increase may only be double or less. But to go from coordinator anywhere for HC at Michigan is an absolute no-brainer if offered.
|1 week 1 day ago||But every coach does that.||
But every coach does that. RichRod did that. Gary Anderson is doing that this year, so is McElwain. This is common.
Once he has accepted the job at the head coach of the University of Michigan, he will be a little conflicted in his current position and even if he doesn't feel that way, I bet his players and fellow coaches will.
Unless you are suggesting we don't even sign him up until after the playoff is over, in which case I would only want to do that if we had to. But based on the Harbaugh timeline and the fact that OSU isn't going to win their first game, that wouldn't be that long from now.
|1 week 1 day ago||Sure. But one guy has rings||
Sure. But one guy has rings to flaunt, and another doesn't.
|1 week 1 day ago||Even if you take out the||
Even if you take out the obvious promotion and career progression, he would get about a 300% pay raise, or more.
|1 week 1 day ago||You're listing two guys who||
You're listing two guys who were a) head coaches at those schools, not OCs, and b) guys who were much farther along in their careers than Herman was at ISU.
This does not by itself refute his performance, but it's not exactly apples and oranges. Both of those guys had extensive experience as OCs before going to those schools and boosting their offenses, and even in those cases it took a few years. It may have taken a few more at ISU, but he didn't stay there long enough.