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|2 hours 57 min ago||Seriously. It's funny how||
Seriously. It's funny how this post is called Monday Recruitin' Shuts It Down when he did not, in fact, shut it down. That one's not over yet.
|3 hours 1 min ago||Agreed. I really don't see||
Agreed. I really don't see how that's confusing. Calling a semester "spring" when almost none of it was in the spring would be the confusing part.
|9 hours 46 min ago||Right, which means the sun is||
Right, which means the sun is not shining, despite being called the Sunshine State.
|15 hours 42 min ago||I just don't agree with the||
I just don't agree with the success part. Everyone beat Utah at the end of the year, they were beat up and proved to not be as good as everyone thought. The UCLA win was big, but relied on a frosh QB making a bunch of mistakes in a big road game. And before Sark was fired, Helton was still the OC and the offense was very up and down, despite some insane playmakers.
I'm not saying Helton is bad, I just think SC could do better.
|15 hours 45 min ago||And what if Stanford blows||
And what if Stanford blows them out? No reason to do this now, you could have waited at least a few weeks. It's not like anyone else was coming after Helton.
USC has been pretty mediocre every year he's been the OC too, despite having insane talent at his disposal. I just don't see the appeal. There are probably 20 guys out there with at least his level of qualifications.
|15 hours 55 min ago||"Consistency" is the same||
"Consistency" is the same argument they used for Kiffin and Sark. How'd that work for them?
|15 hours 56 min ago||I actually came to this||
I actually came to this thread looking for your response and it doesn't surprise me. Your reaction is the same reaction people had here for Hoke, minus the "he has turned bad programs around." Helton has never been a (non-interim) HC and has barely been an OC. "Recruits well" and "brings stability" are things you say when you make a crappy hire.
When SC is going after national recruits (the ones that aren't going to SC no matter what) this guys is going to look like a schmuck next to coaches like Harbaugh, Meyer and Saban. Even Mora. He can't talk about the NFL, he can't talk about winning in college, even as a coordinator. And going 5-2 with a supremely talented team isn't exactly something amazing to hang your hat on.
When's the last time a coach made his first HC stop at a major program and had success?
|1 day 6 hours ago||Well yeah they were better||
Well yeah they were better last year, they had Jake Ryan.
I wish people could stop blaming coaches and players and just admit that when both teams play well, OSU is just a much better team this year. That's not complicated. Our D was good, but had weaknesses and that was exploited a couple time this year when a) we faced a bad match up and b) Glasgow was out. We didn't have the horses to run with OSU on O or D and before the season we all knew that. Fortunately, Harbaugh and staff made us good enough since then to cause us to forget how much better OSU was than us, but it bored out yesterday. Ohio State should be playing for (and quite possibly winning) another national title this year. Lucky for us, the picked a poor weather game against a good team to play their worst game of the season.
Don't get all "I don't care if Durkin leaves" because of one game we should have lost anyway.
|1 day 15 hours ago||I'm from GR as well. I've||
I'm from GR as well. I've never used that term before, just playing around. So sensitive this morning.
|1 day 16 hours ago||It was a joke, based on||
It was a joke, based on Brian's use of "rappist" in place of "rapper." Thought maybe you'd get that.
|1 day 16 hours ago||We'll need a kicker as well,||
We'll need a kicker as well, and he's reportedly a very, very good one.
|1 day 16 hours ago||Because Nordin is a||
Because Nordin is a G-Rappist, he actually drove right past MSU to come to AA. And he wasn't quiet about his Michigan fandom. That said, it's been known for some time (even before he committed) that if Michigan wanted him, he was ours.
Lavert Hill is he interesting one. He comes to AA all the time and hasn't been to State College all season. However, that could be due to proximity and his brother playing here as well. The fact that he hasn't flipped yet is kinda odd, honestly.
|3 days 8 hours ago||IMO - better than all of||
IMO - better than all of them.
|3 days 9 hours ago||Considering I think we want||
Considering I think we want our non-Gary DT to be a nose, I'd prefer Elliott. Camp is about 40lb lighter than Elliott and strikes me more of a DT/DE prospect. It's also harder to scout guys when you know they'll need to add 40 pounds because you don't know how their speed and stamina will hold up (or, less likely, if they'll be able to add the weight). It also likely delays when he'll be able to see the field.
That said, I'm not going to be disappointed with Camp or anything.
|4 days 10 hours ago||That's incredible. Also super||
That's incredible. Also super weird, by mostly incredible.
|5 days 4 hours ago||Yeah guys, I think we're just||
Yeah guys, I think we're just not that good. This is a few games in a row now that this team just looks like a bad team.
|5 days 13 hours ago||Although I certainly don't||
Although I certainly don't want to lose Durkin, I'm confident in Harbaugh's ability to bring in highly qualified assistants. We have deep pockets, a big name HC who guys want to coach under and a ton of defensive talent.
These are the problems big time programs have. Their assistants get a ton of credit and get poached for HC jobs. It happened to MSU and OSU just last year. We'll be OK.
|6 days 5 hours ago||Getting Gary plus Elliott or||
Getting Gary plus Elliott or Camp, let alone Elliott and Camp, would be an enormous haul.
|6 days 11 hours ago||I think Brandon Watson could||
I think Brandon Watson could replace Peppers next year, maybe Tyree Kinnell or Brian Cole.
|6 days 11 hours ago||Not a lot of FBs get drafted,||
Not a lot of FBs get drafted, but not a lot of 3rd string RBs do either. And I have a feeling that if the choice is between being a bench warmer RB or getting PT at FB, I bet he changes his tune. Our FBs get lots of touches, they aren't just pure blocking backs.
|6 days 15 hours ago||I wouldn't say DeWeaver,||
I wouldn't say DeWeaver, Tucky or Flowers are Michigan level recruits. The last two guys might be Rivals 4-stars, but they aren't 4 stars on the composite and certainly don't have Michigan level offer sheets. And we had DeWeaver but chose to go after better recruits, and we landed one.
Justin Layne is good, but I think we'll have 3-4 WRs in this class better than him so that is explained away.
I'll give you Sammons and Hill, I'm not sure why we haven't gone after them.
|6 days 15 hours ago||It's not a waste of time. Not||
It's not a waste of time. Not every kid who grows up in OH has OSU as their dream school. Wormley, De'veon and Dymonte all had OSU offers and picked Michigan, Strobel, Kalis, McCray, Gedeon and Kinnell as well.
Sometimes OH kids are turned off by OSU, sometimes our O or D scheme fits them better, sometimes our depth chart at a particular position looks better and sometimes kids are turned on by all the NFL experience on our staff.
The article answered its own question quickly - Michigan just doesn't have the relationships in OH right now. But we've been making inroads and we'll be snagging elite OH recruits again soon.
|6 days 15 hours ago||Durkin is an Ohio guy. He has||
Durkin is an Ohio guy. He has spent his last few years in FL, but he's from Youngstown and played at BGSU. He spent his first 6 years of his coaching career at BGSU and ND, and I know he was the guy at UF in charge of recruiting the Midwest.
|1 week 2 hours ago||I agree with you on the||
I agree with you on the significant others part (not sure why you threw that in there) but busy people have limited time. I never said I was neglecting my other clients, just that they got less of my attention than some others. Is that the way it should be? Probably not, but that's the way it is. Coaches need a few guys like Enis who don't need a ton of time devoted to them so they can focus on continuing to add prospects to the class.
|1 week 4 hours ago||Agree. I've made many, many||
I've made many, many bets with OSU folk, but never on sports. They've always been of the "Heads I win, tails you lose" variety and I'm undefeated.
|1 week 10 hours ago||I was thinking the same||
I was thinking the same thing. It's as if the recruiting experts picture Harbaugh saying "Hey Durkin, I've got a devious plan. When a recruit has a special occasion in his life, we'll be happy about it and want to celebrate it for them. But we won't stop there. We'll take a picture of it, so he can see how happy we are for him. It's genius."
|1 week 10 hours ago||I'll take the devil's||
I'll take the devil's advocate side of that argument:
Michigan's staff, during the season, has very limited time. In terms of recruiting time priorities, I imagine it looks something like this, in order:
1. Uncommitted recruits
It's entirely possible (if not likely) that Enis falls under #4 above. That doesn't mean the coaches don't want him, but if they feel like there isn't a threat there, they'll focus their limited time elsewhere. I work in sales, and I need to be smart about my time. If there is an account that's mine and I know they're going to be loyal, I won't spend as much time on them as if there is a bigger account under threat from a competitor. But that time spent doesn't reflect how much I value either account.
|1 week 10 hours ago||I thought the same thing.||
I thought the same thing. It's one thing to take an official when you're committed elsewhere, but it's another to pay your own way for a second trip to a school you've already seen.
Add in the fact that when he took his first visit to Michigan, Sarkissian hadn't been fired yet, so he had genuine interest in Michigan even before all the turmoil at USC. Now it's late November and the situation at USC hasn't cleared itself up yet and Camp is paying his own way for another trip. Also - Michigan and USC are the only schools he's had officlas to, so if he decides to flip from SC, Michigan has to be the favorite. I think we should feel very good about him.
|1 week 10 hours ago||late January would be best.||
late January would be best. Get in him here just before signing day so it's the last place he sees before signing day.
|1 week 13 hours ago||Agreed. If he's a no-go||
Agreed. If he's a no-go against OSU as this suggests, there's not sense in blowing a year of eligibility on a bowl game, even the Rose Bowl. We're losing a lot of defensive lineman in the next couple years, it will be nice to have one experienced guy around for a while.