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|1 week 3 days ago||Leave it to mgoblog to turn||
Leave it to mgoblog to turn something that would have benefitted a recent alumni startup company into a "fire Brandon" diatribe.
|1 week 3 days ago||FYI, this was not a marketing||
FYI, this was not a marketing ploy but a way to recognize a UM student/alumni start up company. It would have been a really cool way to give a nod to the academic part of the university.
|1 week 5 days ago||Youth was a problem for Rich||
Youth was a problem for Rich Rod's defense, sure, but it's not like they were getting better each year. They were on a downward trend with no signs of recovery.
Youth was also a problem for the offensive line last year. And I'm not claiming that the offensive line is in the clear or even good right now, but they are demonstratively better this year.
My only point is that the player development argument holds little water. We clearly saw defensive improvement, and we are clearly seeing offensive improvement this year. QB play is the only area where I could possibly see an argument for lack of development, but now that we have Nussmeier we will have to wait and see how that is affected.
The original argument was that Hoke wasn't successful with "his own players," implying that he did not develop them at all. Never mind that he was more successful with them than RR ever was.
|1 week 5 days ago||Honestly, I don't have a||
Honestly, I don't have a problem with this. This will help him keep out of more trouble in the time being. From the sounds if it he won't be playing for OSU again.
|1 week 5 days ago||So hold on, Hoke had no part||
So hold on, Hoke had no part in developing Rich Rod's defensive players into a top 15 type unit from the bottom 10 unit they were before?
He gets no credit for the improvement along the offensive line this year? None for making Gallon one of the best reeceivers in school history? Rich Rod must have developed all of that from Arizona!
I think the overall point you both are trying to make is that the record got worse after his first year, and that is due to lack of player development, However, we all know that the main reason for 2013's mess was the offensive line, and to a much lesser extent, the running backs.
Last year's offensive line was not bad because of a lack of player development, it was bad because of a lack of viable options. Which certainly wasn't caused by Hoke, given that he's had one of the best offensive line recruiting classes multiple years since he got here. The fact that they are looking decent this year is also a credit to player development.
I don't really think you have much of an argument, outside of maybe Gardner.
|1 week 5 days ago||I'm confused as to what your||
I'm confused as to what your argument is. Hoke doesn't get credit for taking a bottom ten defense and turning it into a top 20 defense? Or are you arguing that the players Hoke has recruited since then aren't as good as the ones as were there before?
I can't think of anything that isn't incredibly stupid. Could you clear it up for me?
|1 week 5 days ago||I'm not suggesting HIPAA per||
I'm not suggesting HIPAA per se, but the ideals of HIPAA. Injury information isn't something that's necessary for the public to know, so why disclose it? It does not help the players, and Hoke is a "players first" type of coach.
|1 week 5 days ago||27 - 30 Utah. I actually feel||
27 - 30 Utah.
I actually feel optimistic about this game and think we will win, but if we lose, at least I (potentially) get a shirt.
|1 week 5 days ago||I mean, it's not public||
I mean, it's not public knowledge when you get hurt. There are laws specifically to protect you from people releasing your medical information. Perhaps that's the angle he's coming from there.
EDIT: The guy above me's answer makes more sense.
|1 week 6 days ago||Look man,||
Call me a "crazy Hoke supporter" if you want, but if there's one thing I hate, it's armchair coaches, particularly those that suggest that someone doesn't know what they're doing just because something isn't happening exactly the way they want it to.
A perfect example is this tempo thing. Is there an argument to be made for running up-tempo offense? Sure. It can catch the defense off-guard and not allow them to adjust to how you line up. It can tire them out. It's not a fool-proof system, however, and it doesn't come along without a lot of practice and coordination. It is possible, and in my opinion likely, that the offense just isn't ready to do that given the new system and green offensive linemen.
Perhaps Nussmeier hasn't been utilizing it during games because he would rather the offense be methodical and give them time to do things he knows they can handle. Perhaps he would rather have the line and QB adjust to the way the defense is aligned and give them a chance to check out of a play.
I don't know. I can't speak for Nussmeier. But I believe that the tempo was called "unacceptable" and "embarrassing" and "malpractice" in the mgoboard thread with no regard for the possible reasons our offense could be going slow, all by internet users that know a tiny fraction of what Nussmeier knows about running an offense. I'm SURE that Nussmeier would want Michigan to be running plays faster than they are now. I also think that it isn't his primary concern, and that he has other things that he wants to see the offense do first.
As for Hoke, the only gripes I've seen about him are mostly the ludicrous "he won't tell us about injuries" complaint and "he isn't winning enough games, fire him." I think we all agree he isn't winning enough games. I also think it's crazy to fire him after he has just come out of the other side of a massive roster deficiency and has done a remarkable job of recruiting coaches and players. The roster is still young. And if we fire Hoke, it will likely set that back another 2-3 years at least.
We are almost there. I think this coaching staff is a great coaching staff as a whole and I would like to see what they can do, given enough time.
My position is not that Hoke or Nussmeier or Mattison are infallible and that I will blindly agree with everything they do. It's that
a) I don't see a realistic definite upgrade in coaching, particularly coordinators,
b) that if we've learned anything from the Rich Rod years, it's that doing a roster makeover and completely changing your program philosophy takes a LOT of time. Doing that for a third time in the past 5 years would not benefit our program.
|1 week 6 days ago||At least I provide reasoning||
At least I provide reasoning for my stanpoints, rather than "Hoke isn't winning as many games as we'd like! Fire him! That'll totally fix the problem!"
|2 weeks 2 hours ago||I seriously doubt you know||
I seriously doubt you know the first thing about coaching football. But "coaching malpractice" seems to be your favorite thing to say nowdays. Someone spoon fed you a stat and without analyzing it at all you scream "coaching malpractice." It is quite exhausting.
|2 weeks 3 hours ago||Of all the complaints leveled||
Of all the complaints leveled at Hoke this year, this one appears to have the most substance. Until you realize that a team doesn't need to be fast to be good.
It is curious that Michigan is taking so long to snap the ball though, since they apparently they emphasized running plays faster in practice. I suspect that further into the year Michigan will show up closer to the middle of the pack once we have a larger sample size against opponents that aren't mostly garbage.
There are valid arguments on both sides on this one. The offense needs time to adjust to the defensive front. Or, the offense can try to line up and snap the ball before the defense can react to the alignment. It appears that Nussmeier is more in the camp that takes their time to adjust to the defense. Which was actually something a LOT of people were calling for around here, for Devin to check things at the line.
|2 weeks 3 hours ago||He's only jumping the gun||
He's only jumping the gun because he's trying to avoid coaching malpractice by going fast. Hive him a break.
|2 weeks 11 hours ago||For some reason when I read||
For some reason when I read this my mind thought that our left tackle was suspended, and my heart skipped a couple beats.
|2 weeks 16 hours ago||I just don't see why it||
I just don't see why it matters. Hoke's job description does not include "disclosing injuries to the media," and ultimately the average fan's opinion about that fact does not matter one iota in regards to his job security.
It is a bunch of people making a big deal out of nothing. But like you said, if he starts winning more often, people won't care about disclosing injuries.
|2 weeks 16 hours ago||For the love of god. Now||
For the love of god. Now reporting injuries is "endearing."
|2 weeks 21 hours ago||Hoke has been very aggressive||
Hoke has been very aggressive in the past, and it has both paid off and not worked out.
In this case, once it was 4th and 6, I agreed with the decision to punt. You have the lead, are moving the ball with ease, and your defense is dominating aside from letting in scores on short field situations. Just let it play out in the second half, no reason to go for it.
|2 weeks 21 hours ago||Actually, you know, I'm not||
Actually, you know, I'm not sure what the rule says for this. Either way, if that's not how it's normally done I can see how it could happen and I don't blame the coaches for assuming it would be done the way they are used to.
|2 weeks 21 hours ago||On the other hand, why would||
On the other hand, why would you assume that things weren't being run correctly and look at the at clock just in case?
|2 weeks 22 hours ago||"When the ref told Michigan||
"When the ref told Michigan to break the huddle on the sideline they started the 25 second play clock.
That's not usually how they do it. Usually they call the team to break the huddle, the two teams get on the field, they set the ball and run the play clock. That turned out to be about 15 seconds difference."
|2 weeks 22 hours ago||He wouldn't have teared up to||
He wouldn't have teared up to Josh Groban?
|2 weeks 22 hours ago||Regarding the end of half||
Regarding the end of half delay of game - maybe I'm too lenient, but I'm giving he coaches a pass on that one since it was the refs' screw up that caused it.
|2 weeks 23 hours ago||Not only shortsighted, but||
Not only shortsighted, but stupid. They can (and apparently did) easily look at transaction times and then cross reference security camera footage to find out who was in possession of the card.
Makes you wonder if he's ever watched any CSI or Law and Order.
|2 weeks 1 day ago||Sure. We could still win the||
Sure. We could still win the other 8 games on the schedule. Not saying that is a likely combination of events, but hey, you asked.
This game is important only in that it will give us another barometer test going into league play. If it goes well, it bodes well for winning around 9 games. If Michigan loses... well, let's just say I'm going to stay off of this site for the rest of the season.
|2 weeks 1 day ago||That was such an odd game.||
That was such an odd game. As bad as that Michigan team was, they were within 3 points of beating Utah. Utah went on to go undefeated and beat Alabama in their bowl game quite handily.
No one at the time knew just how bad Michigan was or how good Utah was.
|2 weeks 1 day ago||You probably don't care about||
You probably don't care about things like facts and statistics, but the statistics were not even close to even at half.
|2 weeks 2 days ago||Please, by all means tell me||
Please, by all means tell me how it's an idiotic comparison.
|2 weeks 2 days ago||After watching MSU lose at||
After watching MSU lose at home to CMU in year three of Dantonio's tenure, did anyone think they would be where they are now?
|2 weeks 2 days ago||Hoke took over a team with||
Hoke took over a team with significant roster issues that made themselves evident in the number of true freshman that started in 2011, 2012, and 2013. Not recruiting any offensive linemen in 2010 came back to bite us hard last year.
And that defense under Rich Rod certainly wasn't improving. If you have any doubts about this coaching staff's ability look at the defensive turnaround from 2010 to 2011.
And I agree, I don't think today's win can be taken either positively or negatively, but many of the posters here seem to think the sky is falling when in fact it was a pretty solid showing minus one or two plays that won't be the norm.
Next weekend will be very telling.