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- Bernard Robinson Jr. - Left for the NBA after his Junior year. Helped us win the 2004 NIT, He was a very versatile player and one of my favorite Ellerbe Recruits.
- Kevin Gaines – Dismissed from the team after his freshman year, but he was good. Averaged almost 12 ppg, 4 rebounds, and 4 and a half assists per game as a freshman. Had league troubles though.
- Manny Harris – Left after his junior year for the NBA. Helped lead us back to our first NCAA tournament in 11 years. Averaged 18.1 ppg, 6 rpg, 4 asts, 2 spg.
- Adrian Arrington – Left after his RS Junior year for the NFL. Had an awesome Capital One bowl game win with 9 receptions for 153 yards and 2 touchdowns.
- Sam McGuffie – Transferred after his freshman year to Rice. Unfortunately had a couple concussions during the season. He was always exciting and no one will forget the Mcguffie Mix tapes!
- Ryan Mundy – Graduated from Michigan but had one year left of Eligibility and transferred to West Virginia. Never played a ton for Michigan, but showed he was a talented player since he had a good year with WV and is having a very productive career in the NFL. Has over 200 NFL tackles and is a Super Bowl Champion!
- Dan O’Neill – OT/G that transferred once Rich Rod got here. Transferred to Western and had a decent career. Was a top 10 T out of high school.
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- 61 yards
- 80 yards (final drive of regulation)
- 25 yard (4th overtime in which PSU requried a 4th down conversion to score)
|1 week 23 hours ago||Don't understand how anyone can freak out about basketball||
Other then Mitch Mcgary, none of the other players that have been drafted were rated in the top 50 propescts of their class at the time of their commitment. Arguably next year's go to guy and hopeful NBA prospect (Caris Levert) was a 3 star that was headed to Ohio University. Yet we have still had 5 draft picks and have been to the final game and elite 8 the last two year. So I think people need to take a chill pill. On top of that Beilien himself has said that he doesn't want the one and done players. In a lot of cases that is going to eliminate some of those top guys (pretty much Kentucky's entire roster) that just want to come play for 1 year and be gone. So I wouldn't look for Beilien to make a drastic change in his recruiting. Will you see a little uptick in some high quality guys...YES. But don't expect a loaded recuriting class like a Kentucky, Duke or North Carolina every year either.
|1 week 2 days ago||Not that Worrisome!!||
JCV16, I don't think the donnal stuff is worrisome at all. Donnal still had 6 pts and 5 rebounds in both of his first games. As ACE said, they are playing under international rules which are different. Even if he is behind Doyle then that doesn't mean that Donnal is "not that good". Maybe that speaks more to how good Doyle is. And why would he transfer because of 2 international games that mean absolutely nothing? Even if he was behind Doyle there is still plenty of minutes to go around.
|1 week 2 days ago||Interesting||
It's interesting that Kyle thinks MAAR is more likely to redshirt then Dawkins. Statistically MAAR has had much better games each of the two games. Also MAAR can and probably will play some time at point and which will make him more valuable.
|3 weeks 4 hours ago||210 lbs as a sophmore!||
He's 210 lbs as a sophmore in HS. He still has 2 full years before he is even going to start school at U of M. Then another 3 months before he sees any action after that. I think he is probably going to weigh a lot more in 2 years and 3 months then he does now.
|3 weeks 1 day ago||The bar used to squat is typically 45 pounds||
Not that it matters, because it shows him working hard and that's really all that matters, but the bar is most likely 45 lbs. 45lbs is the standard olympic lifting bar weight and the weight that is most commonly used as a squatting bar in a gym. A 10lb bar would bend with any kind of serious weight on it. So bare minimum the guy is squatting 245. Which isn't too shabby for a kid coming out of high school. Plus he has very good form and goes all the way down. I've seen multiple guys in the gym go down about 1/3rd of the way and think that is 1 rep. This kid goes all the way down which is activating his glutes, quads and hamstrings.
|8 weeks 2 days ago||Bigger in height yes..||
Height isn't everything. Chatman and Wilson might be slightly bigger in height, but they are giving up a lot in weight and strength. Chatman is only an inch taller then Robinson, but gives up over 20 lbs to him. DJ Wilson is 2 - 3 inches taller, but still gives up over 15 lbs. Let's be real here, neither one of those two would start at the PF over GRIII. I could see Chatman push Irvin for time at the 3 in this scenario, but you are talking about replacing a 3-year starter at that position who has helped take us to a final four and a elite eight apperance as our starting PF. Would not have happened.
|13 weeks 6 days ago||Everyone Already Mentioned is Great||
So I wanted to Name some players that have not been said that I liked or could have been very good:
|24 weeks 21 hours ago||Agreed on Hardaway and Burke!||
The reason in the article are great and right on, but I don't think you guys are giving Burke and Hardaway enough defensive credit from last year. Neither one was Aaron Craft or Victor Oladipo by any means, but they were a good defense backcourt. Hardaway was consistently responsible for guarding the opposing teams best player (assuming they were a guard or wing) and typically did a pretty good job slowing them down. The closest thing we have to that this year is Levert and he gets beat off the dribble regularly and also needs to add another 10 - 15 lbs of muscle to become a very good defender. Burke was great at picking someone's pocket and rarely got beat off the dribble. Also Burke had 13 blocked shots last year. That would put him tied for 2nd with Jordan Morgan on this team. So yes the reasons Brian gave were correct, but you also have to look at our personel. Having 2 strong backcourt defenders go to the NBA is also a BIG reason.
|33 weeks 2 days ago||Totally Different Situations||
-Brady Hoke took over a team that was a 7-6 the year before and Auburn was 3-9 last year.
-Michigan had a Jr Qb that was being talked about as a heisman canidate and Auburn had a converted CB running their offense.
-Michigan played a very soft schedule only playing 3 teams that finished in the top 25 (Mich St, Nebraska, Virginia Tech). The only team in the top 20 they played (Michigan St) they lost to. Auburn played 5 teams in the top 25 and 3 of those teams were in the top 10.
-Auburn won the SEC where as Michigan DIDN"T win the Big Ten.
I did love that Michigan team and the run to the Sugar Bowl, but I don't think it is right to compare Malzahn and Hoke's first season. Malzahn's first season was far more impressive.
|35 weeks 1 day ago||Mike Shanahan||
He could potentially be fired from Washington Redskins and he had multiple disagreements with the ownership. Even though Washington had a bad year I still think he is a great coach. Would love to see him in Detroit.
|35 weeks 3 days ago||I watched him play||
I actually got to see him play in high school a few times because my nephew has played against him for multiple years in a row. And I will tell you he looks solid. Yeah, he made a few errors here and there, but nothing alarming. Also his team around him was not good. His recievers dropped a lot of passes and his offensive line sucked. Just by watching him though I could tell he has a great arm and had a solid accuracy. He also seemed to move around better then most highschool qb's that weren't there just playing QB because they are a track star. Also I am sure 95% of the "film" you watched was from when the kid was 15 and 16 years old. I'm sure he looks a lot different now.
|35 weeks 3 days ago||Not sure you know what frehman means...||
Shane is still a freshman until next year. He wasn't here in the spring, so he has really only been on the team for 5 months now. Sounds like a freshman to me!
Henne had a Senior Braylon Edwards and a good offensive line and a good running back in Mike Hart. None of which Shane would have luxury of. Also the first game Henne started was a home game against Miami Ohio. If Shane starts then he will be playing a good Kansas State team in a bowl game. Two incomparable situations.
|36 weeks 1 day ago||Agree with JMblue||
How is that guy going to say he feels certain after 10 games that Walton won't leave after 2 years? No one was talking about Burke leaving for the NBA after his first 10 games. He was good, but not leaving for the NBA good at the first part of his freshman year. As JMBlue said definitely no one was talking about Darius Morris leaving early after 10 games. Shoot no one was talking about Darius Morris leaving early even after he finished his freshman year.
|36 weeks 1 day ago||It's only been 10 games!||
As everyone else has already said, this isn't even a issue. It's been 10 games. Just 6 months ago these 2 kids were dancing at their high school proms. They have both shown flashes of being really good and I think that is all you should expect 10 games into the season. They don't have a sophomore Trey Burke to take all of the attention off of them. Last year's freshmen were blessed with being able to play with the best point guard in the nation. That of course is going to help. He made everyone around him better.
Also Beilein and his staff are known for developing players (especially point guards). Look at the big leaps that both Burke and Morris took. Also do you remember the great play they were able to get out of CJ Lee and David Merritt at pg? Give Beilein and his staff some time to work with these kids and they WILL improve.
|40 weeks 1 day ago||He had a qb coach that wasn't Borges||
SDSU had a qb coach that wasn't Al Borges. Yes he was the OC, but he wasn't working with the qb's directly. Can you really say Al devolped Ryan when there was another qb coach working with him?
|40 weeks 1 day ago||Never Looks off Defenders||
One thing I don't see many people mention is that Devin stares down his recievers almost every single pass play. Rewatch each one of those clips above and you will see Devin look the direction of his reciever the whole way. Of course Northwestern is getting a good beat on him because he doesn't try to hide who he is throwing to.
Also I am glad that Brian pointed out the QB regression we have had under Borges. I never understood why Borges got so much praise as a qb guru. He did a good job with Cade McNown, but Cade was also one of the top qb prospects in the nation and had 3 years of expierence before he had a good year. Would you expect a top rated high school recruit to get a lot better in 3 years of starting? I hope so... He walked in to a Senior Jason Campbell at Auburn with a loaded offensive squad which many of the players later went onto play in the NFL. Can you really say that was Borges? Ryan Lindley was good at San Diego State, but like Brian said he had a QB coach there. So how much credit can you really give Borges for that?
|41 weeks 1 day ago||Horrible!||
I think Borges has been horrible this year. Here is why:
1) It doesn't appear he knows how to make any in game adjustments.
2) He keeps blaming the blocking, but he is part of the issue. You can't keep shuffling guys in and out on the offensive line and expect them to start playing great all of a sudden. They need stability and good coaching. Also you got to help the blockers out when they are facing constant pressure by running screens, draws and quick passes. He calls those plays once in a game and then is done with them.
3) He has been predictable. There were at least 5 plays in the last game where Chris Spielman knew what Michigan offense was going to do just by their formation. If Chris Spielman knows what play it is then Nebraska coaches know that also.
4) Borges specialty coming into Michigan was supposed to be Quarterback development. Well since he has been here the qb's are getting worse. Denard not only didn't take a step forward with his passing in the two years he was under Borges, but he may have actually taken a step or two back. Devin was a better qb directly after he was a wide receiver then he is now with a full year of coaching from Borges.
|42 weeks 1 day ago||No way we get an At Large BCS bid||
No team has ever been ranked lower then 14th and recieved an at large bid. Currently we are 33rd in the AP. None of the next 3 teams we play even get any honrable mention vote. So none of these games will help us jump more then a couple spots. If we win the next 3 I can see us possibly cracking the top 25. If we win against Ohio State I don't see us making it any higher then 17. It's not happening!!
|43 weeks 2 days ago||I Don't have a clue how you couldn't be impressed||
Michigan St. is top 5 in almost every single team defense category that is available:
Total Defense - 1st
Rushing Defense - 1st
Passing yards allowed - 3rd
Team Passing Efficiency Defense - 2nd
Scoring Defense - 3rd
3rd Down conversion Pct Defense - 3rd
First Down Defense - 1st
I know you are trying to find a reason to downgrade their defense, but their defense is solid. Competition isn't a question since Mich St has played just as many good offenses as we have (2 - Ind and ND). Uconn, Akron, PSU, and CMU aren't good offenses either. You don't see us in any of the defensive stats do you?
|44 weeks 6 days ago||Yes he gets a "pass"||
I would have liked to see him dial up a few blitzes as well, but the defense was not at fault this game. Here are Penn States Touchdown Drives:
That's only 2 drives that PSU actually had good drives resulting in Touchdowns. You can't blame the first two on the defense as borges and the offense put them in a big hole. The 4th overtime sucked, but we had held them to a field goal or nothing in the first 3 overtimes. The defense gave us EVERY oppurtunity to win. The offense just couldn't take advantage.
The defense forced 4 turnovers. Held PSU to 3-16 on 3rd down conversions. Held PSU to 1.9 yards per rush and Penn St.
How could people even think about blaming Mattison? Just remember 27 yards on 27 attempts. No bubble screens. Delay of game penalties.
|45 weeks 22 hours ago||People also haven't forgotten Iowa, MSU from 2011||
2011 featured multiple offensive game plans that just made slap your head in disbelief.
|45 weeks 2 days ago||Not mid season, but yes!||
I generally don't think firing coaching staff mid season is a good thing to do unless there are some extraordinary circumstances. So no I don't want to see him go midseason. However yes he should be fired at the end of the season. Every year that he has been here he has had horrible game plans for 2 or 3 games each year typically causing us to lose the game (2011, Iowa, 2011 Mich St, 2012 ND, 2012 OSU, 2013 Akron, 2013 PSU etc). Now I know that you can't have perfect games every game, but the offensive coordinator can't be causing you to lose a few games a year just on his stupid play calling/game plan. My biggest problem with him is that Borges has not shown me that he can't adapt. In all the games I listed above the opposing team had our game plan locked up, yet Borges just kept going back to the well time after time. He has his offense that worked 10 years ago for a couple years and won't change from it.
|45 weeks 2 days ago||Gardner||
I agree with GoBlueInNYC. How can people say that Gardner is not an ideal fit for Borges offense? He is tall (6'4ish), decent weight (210 lbs), has a great arm and throws a great deep ball. Does't that sound like a lot of the QB's we are recuriting now? The fact that he can run should just be an added bonus here.
And I really agree that Borges deserves a lot of the blame for Gardner's erratic play. You can't give a kid 3rd and 8 all the time because borges is too stuborn to think outside of the run your rb into the defensive line on every single first down and most 2nd downs. Borges is setting the kid up to fail.
|45 weeks 3 days ago||He was not 100%||
Michigan was at the 27 before the Delay of Game. That would have made for a 44 yard field goal attempt. Obvisouly brady thought that Gibbons had a good shot at 44 since he felt Gibbons could make a longer one at the end of regulation and also since he gave him another chance from almost the same exact spot in the 1st overtime. So he would have been insance not to go for the field goal there.
Had Michigan kicked that field goal they would have won the game as that would have put Michigan up by 2 scores with less then a minute left (and no PSU timeouts). If he had already decided that he was going to Punt before the penalty then he is even more of a conservative wuss then people were thinking.
|45 weeks 3 days ago||Hoke Doesn't think he was conservative???||
Looking back, do you think the play-calling at the end of the game was too conservative?
“No. At the end of regulation we put ourselves in position to kick the 52-yard field goal with 20 seconds left. Could have just taken a knee and played for overtime. So I would say no.”
Not sure why another question wasn't asked about conservative calling in overtime? So Hoke doesn't think 2 Runs up the middle with your RB (that has averaged 1 yard a carry all game) and 1 run to the middle of the field (losing yards) is the most conservative thing you could do? That wasn't an easy field goal. On top of that it was a away game in a hostile environment.
|45 weeks 4 days ago||More coaching mistakes||
I think there were even more coaching mistakes then mentioned in this article. Brian mentioned conserving timeouts, but never said anything about the timeout we took right before PSU scored their last touchdown of regulation. The long pass play to Robinson took the ball down to the 1 which was reviewed for almost 2 minutes. Yet Hoke took a timeout after the review was done. Was that 2 minutes not long enough to get your team ready? Were they completely caught off guard at the multiple plays Penn St could run from the 1 yard line? He wasted that Time out which could have been key on getting 1 extra play in on our final drive. If you remember Gibbons final kick of regulation was straight on just needed an extra 3 or 4 yards. Would have been nice to have that extra play to possibly get a little closer.
That was the worst game management I have seen in a number of years and they did not put our team in a position to win. Maybe Hoke should put on a headset for once so he has a clue what is going on.
|46 weeks 1 day ago||I like how basketball does it||
U of M basketball did a exibition during the summer in Europe a few years back. I like that scenario because it doesn't mess with their classes and it won't throw off their in season schedule.
Other then that scenerio I would say no I don't like it. It messes with students class schedules and I feel like the traveling and jet lag involved can set you back for the next week. The only time I have flown to Europe and back I felt exausted and thrown off for a few days. I would hate for that to mess up our preparation for the next week. Wouldn't you hate it if our team came out and looked tired the next week due to flying overseas just a few days before?
Also now you are talking about big costs to the university. Not only are you taking away a potential home game from their revenue, but now you have to fly the team, coaches, trainers, Equipment etc out to Europe. That wouldn't be a cheap price tag.
|47 weeks 57 min ago||I don't think you should judge by offer sheet||
Maybe you haven't paid attention to Basketball recruiting over the past few years, but Beilien is one of the best coaches I have ever seen at finding a diamond in the rough or spotting a great player before other people take notice. Look at some of these players without a good offer list:
- Novak - I don't think he had 1 division one offer. Ended up being one of the best players on our team that led us back to the tournament.
-Caris Levert - Only had 2 other Division 1 offers and those were from Ohio and Dayton.
- Nik Stauskus - His best offer was from Iowa St and Wake Forest. That's not bad, but those are about the same level as USC and Boise St that you are ragging on above.
- Trey Burke - Wasn't really getting much attention until well after he signed with Michigan. His best offers were Penn St. and Cincy which the Cincy offer came well into his Senior Season of high school ball.
If I have learned one thing over the past few years in terms of Michigan Basketball it is to not doubt Beilien's judge of talent. If Beilien is going to offer it is for a good reason!! Also look at this guy. He is 6'8 or 6'9 and extremely long, can dribble, very smart and has a great shot for a big man and can play SG, SF, or PF (if he bulks up). Really his main weakness is strength and bulk. If he is up for it, then he may even be a good canidate to redshirt just to add 20 lbs of muscle before he sees the floor.
|47 weeks 1 hour ago||Sorry to nitpick||
Sorry to nitpick, but GRIII wasn't on the team 2 years ago. He was never on the same team with Stu, Evan or Jordan as GRIII is only a true sophmore.
I do see your point though and agree that our team probably had one of the highest net worths in all of Division 1 basketball.
|52 weeks 23 hours ago||2011 Iowa game was bad||
I almost forgot about the 2011 Iowa game until this post. That was possibly the worst game plan I have ever seen. Borges just kept lining Denard up under center and in the I or Pro form. I kept saying to myself Borges is going to make an adjustment and come out with some spread. That never really happened. That loss was all on the offensive play calling.