Mason NEEDS this, Pistons, after all you've put him through
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|1 day 7 hours ago||I screwed this up in my post||
I screwed this up in my post above, too, but he did lose to Ohio a couple of years ago in what's for all intents and purposes the first round.
Still, I'm with you on this.
|1 day 7 hours ago||This was well said. Hopefully||
This was well said.
Hopefully it's also a good sign that after seeing these guys in person the coaches (and players, apparently) decided that both are worth an offer.
|1 day 8 hours ago||But it's not like Beilein's||
But it's not like Beilein's success was a one-year fluke or all attributable to one star player. Let's even ignore his pre-Michigan success. Beilein took over a program in pretty rough shape and in seven seasons has made the NCAA tournament five times (advancing past the round of 64 each time), won two Big Ten titles, and been to the Elite Eight twice and championship game once.
Those five tournament teams each had essentially a different star player.
2008-09: Manny Harris
If "trust the coaches" has ever applied, it's probably right now with this staff.
|1 day 8 hours ago||Also, if Brunson is as||
Also, if Brunson is as insistent as reanimator is saying that he doesn't have to compete for playing time, I'm not sure how devastated Beilein and co. would be if he went elsewhere.
I should say that I'm also not convinced yet that two offers today was wise, but the least of my worries with this is Jalen Brunson.
|1 day 8 hours ago||Do you really think||
Do you really think that you/we can say anything reasonable about Michigan's 2016-17 roster right now?
|1 day 8 hours ago||It's amazing how much more||
It's amazing how much more informative the full game clips are (instead of the highlight reels). It'd be great to see that kind of video for all of these recruits... it feels like a much more honest, thorough look at how they play.
|1 day 8 hours ago||And what does any of that||
And what does any of that have to do with MAAR and Dawkins? Brunson is a point guard. If anything, getting two non-PGs reduces the chance that he'd be in more of a fight for minutes.
Walton might scare away Brunson. MAAR and Dawkins almost certainly won't.
|2 days 15 hours ago||I'm more concerned about||
I'm more concerned about competition in the other direction. I hope Fleetwood doesn't run into trouble because of this.
|2 days 15 hours ago||I just pulled up his stats||
I just pulled up his stats and I'm kind of surprised by his limited productivity (and development), at least statistically. He never really became more than a 5 ppg, 5 rpg guy. In 2013-14, his senior year, he averaged 5.1 points and 5.4 rebounds per game in 33 games.
|2 days 16 hours ago||Interesting. Thanks for||
Interesting. Thanks for posting. I wonder if any basketball will be played this weekend (even without the coaches around). It'd be pretty fascinating to see both recruits play pick-up with current players with everyone knowing that one of them will likely be offered before the other. My guess is that it won't be part of the weekend, but I find that my serious basketball-playing friends often play basketball as a way to get to know and hang out with people.
|3 days 9 hours ago||Trey's dad, Deuce Burke, is||
Trey's dad, Deuce Burke, is the one who really got screwed.
|3 days 12 hours ago||Don't get me wrong... I have||
Don't get me wrong... I have no idea how to watch prospects' film, so I rely almost entirely on recruiting services and offer lists. I think they contain a lot of information. They're just far from perfect (and far from unbiased).
|3 days 12 hours ago||That's fair and I agree about||
That's fair and I agree about not writing off the ESPN rankings. I still don't see Hackenberg as "certainly the leader at this point," just because we have so little information about other guys. Cooper Bateman could be awesome - or could develop into an awesome QB - but was stuck behind AJ McCarron at Alabama. Who knows what he (or Shane Morris, Max Browne, Jalin Marshall, etc.) would have done at Penn State. Plus, these guys have a lot of development and football ahead of them. Whoever is best now might not be close to best when it really counts.
|3 days 13 hours ago||At least back when they had||
At least back when they had that Wolverine Nation thing, I actually think ESPN's football rankings were biased in Michigan's favor. Michigan fans were paying for that site and you don't want to disappoint paid subscribers. (Plus, they were employing guys like Tom who would naturally spend more time seeing and writing about Michigan recruits.)
On the other hand, I think the 247 rankings do some very fishy things, too (as, I'm sure, do the Rivals and Scout rankings). For example, Bucknuts is a big 247 site, and a whole bunch of prospects saw a sudden, enormous jump in their ratings after committing to OSU. Similarly, RCMB is part of 247, and while MSU was getting a lot of shit for not having many 4-star football recruits last year, 247 was giving a wildly disproportionate number of MSU commits their lowest 4-star rating (i.e., everyone around the 3-star / 4-star border somehow just happened to end up barely on the 4-star side of that line).
|3 days 13 hours ago||There's no way that anything||
There's no way that anything has been proven - or anything close to proven - about the 2013 QB class. Most of those guys haven't seen the field yet given that they just finished their true freshman seasons. Hackenberg happened to have an opportunity because of Penn State's depth chart (an opportunity that other guys at other schools didn't have). He played reasonably well, but there's a long, long way to go for that QB class.
|3 days 13 hours ago||2016 rankings||
247 just released their first 2016 rankings yesterday. I'm skeptical that sophomore year rankings will correlate all that well to college success, but they're interesting nevertheless.
Erik Swenson, Michigan's only current 2016 commit, is at #233. No prospects from the state of Michigan are in their top 100, though five of them made the list (Martell Pettaway, Daelin Hayes, Lawrence Gordon, Thiyo Lukusa, and Jalen Martin).
|3 days 13 hours ago||Ralph Lauren or bust||
Ralph Lauren or bust
|3 days 14 hours ago||So Quad Burke?||
So Quad Burke?
|3 days 14 hours ago||I was looking at Spike's||
I was looking at Spike's stats yesterday. That guy has already played in 76 games at Michigan. If he doesn't get hurt over the next two years, he'll very likely leave Michigan as our all-time leader in games played (breaking Morgan's record of 142 games).
|3 days 14 hours ago||Well, I'm going to start||
Well, I'm going to start negging anyone who doesn't sign their comments just so you're doomed.
|4 days 12 min ago||If Donnal was really||
If Donnal was really dominating, I wonder if there was any talk of pulling his redshirt. If he's that good, he probably won't be here for five years anyway, and he might have been useful for the stretch run.
|4 days 13 hours ago||Thanks, Brandon. This is||
Thanks, Brandon. This is helpful and interesting.
|5 days 3 hours ago||... collapses into a 128 team||
... collapses into a 128 team playoff with 127 bowl games.
|5 days 3 hours ago||What I'd love to see is a||
What I'd love to see is a single, incredibly desirable game for the worst two BCS programs (without adding any other bowls). Put it in Honolulu, make the gifts incredible, play it on Christmas Eve on ESPN, call in the Better Than Your Stupid Bowl, etc. That way, teams would have to make a midseason decision about whether to try to "Shoot the Moon" - in Hearts terms - and risk looking like dicks if they finish as the third worst team and miss the bowl.
|5 days 3 hours ago||Right now (in April), I would||
Right now (in April), I would watch that game so hard.
|5 days 10 hours ago||So the logic here is that||
So the logic here is that when someone who has no idea what he's talking about says something consistent with what you're talking about, it shows how right you are, since even that uninformed guy could see it?
In that case, I'll scour the internet for uninformed, unqualified, or dumb people making similar points to mine as evidence that I'm totally right about everything.
|5 days 11 hours ago||I wasn't a fan of that||
I wasn't a fan of that blocking scheme either (and I love the OC switch), but since when does a post from some former defensive end no one has heard of who has no coaching experience or demonstrable knowledge about Michigan personnel or offensive football strategy enough to warrant a front page self-pat on the back?
|5 days 12 hours ago||In fairness, we happened to||
In fairness, we happened to hit a stretch of insanely good rebounding teams in the tournament and we lost a ton of our rebounding ability when McGary went down. Some of that is because McGary's a damn good rebounder and some of it is because having McGary would have made us bigger up and down the roster (e.g., with Robinson at the 3 instead of the 4, where he got killed on the glass).
|6 days 5 hours ago||Burke was obviously much more||
Burke was obviously much more productive than just about everyone else who plays college basketball. I actually don't think there was much separation between Hardaway and Robinson's output -- it just always felt with Robinson like he could/should be doing a lot more than he was.
Here are the stat lines from their final seasons at Michigan:
Robinson- 13.1 ppg/.532 eFG%, 4.4 rpg, 1.2 apg, .9 spg
And career (2 years for Robinson, 3 for Hardaway):
Robinson- 12 ppg/.567 eFG%, 4.9 rpg, 1.1 apg, 1 spg
I think it's possible that Robinson's game will translate better to the NBA than it did here, but I'm also not sure what to expect. He seemed reluctant at times (though not late in the season), and it's hard to suddenly see him being assertive with grown-ass men around.
|6 days 5 hours ago||If you'll excuse a bro hug,||
If you'll excuse a bro hug, you've become one of my favorite posters on this site. I skim a lot of threads but almost always read your posts because I find so much of what you say interesting or generally worthwhile.
Okay, bro hug over. Stop being so weird.