somehow we're only 124th
|1 hour 55 min ago||You aren't very good at||
You aren't very good at measuring penises?
|4 hours 7 min ago||Don't feel bad. I'm so old||
Don't feel bad. I'm so old that mine came via horse and stagecoach. I was living out west at the time, and many great men and horses were lost as they braved the Rockies during that hard, hard winter to bring Mother and me the good news.
|8 hours 1 min ago||I'm confused. Which part||
I'm confused. Which part isn't true? Or is he saying the whole thing isn't true? And if he is saying that, how the hell would he know? Did he call Verizon (or North Korea) and get phone records?
|11 hours 38 min ago||Not to mention the tweets to||
Not to mention the tweets to recruits that they should totally go to Michigan.
|11 hours 48 min ago||You say this as if there's a||
You say this as if there's a quiet intelligence to him when he's not talking.
|12 hours 31 min ago||FUCK YOU||
|13 hours 19 min ago||I might have posted this||
I might have posted this earlier, but I love how Ace Williams stories have been around for like seven years and we've assumed he's a high school kid the whole time. Then again, if it'll take anyone that long to get through high school, it's probably Ace Williams.
|16 hours 10 min ago||The site is obviously||
The site is obviously garbage, but haven't we been saying that guy's a high school kid for like seven years now? It's like he's one of the Simpsons: does not age.
|1 day 3 hours ago||False. People had it||
False. People had it backwards. It's 48 years for $6 million, not 6 years for $48 million.
|1 day 13 hours ago||Yeah, I'm not buying it||
Yeah, I'm not buying it either. Hopefully most of the sources feeding Brian and the other Michigan media positive Harbaugh news look more credible than this guy.
|1 day 14 hours ago||Michigan hate sells.||
Michigan hate sells. Honestly. If you write a scathing article about how MSU sucks, cheats, etc., no one will read it, because no one gives a shit. On the other hand, people eat up those kinds of stories about Michigan, Notre Dame, USC, Texas, and a few other schools. You can make a career off of attacking a school like Michigan, especially if you have the added credibility of being an alumnus.
|2 days 3 hours ago||The national media has been||
The national media has been an absolute joke with this, almost to a man. Take a look at si.com right now. There are two stories. This might be the dumbest thing written so far about this search. And yet it's appearing just a few headlines under this, which offers a clear explanation of why the "MUST READ" J.P. Scott story is dumb as hell.
We've gotten really good coverage throughout this search from our Ann Arbor-based UM media. The Detroit media has been pretty slow and quiet; the rest of the media has been shit.
|2 days 8 hours ago||I think the incentive for||
I think the incentive for Harbaugh to keep Michigan around for his NFL negotations is even stronger than that. Let's say that Harbaugh wants to go to the Raiders and the 49ers really want compensation for Harbaugh.
JH: Trade me to the Raiders.
49ers: No. You can go to the Jets, Bears, or Falcons. They're all offering way more than the Raiders. We won't sign off on a Raiders trade, because you're worth more than that.
JH: Okay, then I'm going to Michigan and you get nothing.
49ers: Fine, asshole, Raiders it is.
|2 days 8 hours ago||For a Plan B...||
Jack Harbaugh >>>>>> Schiano
|2 days 10 hours ago||Here's mine: Miles is the||
Miles is the actual fallback plan. He knows that and he's okay with it, partly because Hackett is being honest with him (and partly because of course he's a backup plan to Harbaugh). Hackett told him that things with Harbaugh look promising. Miles knew he'd be asked about at his press conference and didn't want to get hammered by follow-up questions... on camera... so he issued a firm-seeming "not happening" that no one will ever see.
|2 days 10 hours ago||I don't think there's much||
I don't think there's much reason to believe that Michigan doesn't have a backup plan. Just that the backup plan isn't known to us.
|2 days 10 hours ago||That might be the weirdest||
That might be the weirdest rumor yet.
|2 days 11 hours ago||Lol. That's more like it.||
Lol. That's more like it.
|2 days 11 hours ago||TennBlue, your services are||
TennBlue, your services are needed here.
|2 days 12 hours ago||Also recommended (and||
Also recommended (and referenced in the Grantland piece) -
|2 days 15 hours ago||I've literally never seen a||
I've literally never seen a post as out of character for the poster as this one. Is there sarcasm here? Aren't you the guy who complains when people express sympathy for the victims of shootings and natural disasters?
|2 days 15 hours ago||Can you say more about the||
Can you say more about the negative backroom chatter?
|2 days 15 hours ago||I think Hoke is such a decent||
I think Hoke is such a decent guy that he might do it, but I would hope that no one asks him to. His removal has been handled pretty respectfully so far and there's no reason to change that.
|2 days 18 hours ago||So the OP contains a link to||
So the OP contains a link to a tweet and a single sentence, and the content of that tweet directly contradicts the content of that sentence. Nice.
|3 days 15 hours ago||If you're starting a thread||
If you're starting a thread to report rumors, how about you at least tell us where you're getting the rumors?
|3 days 15 hours ago||It's different. Harbaugh has||
It's different. Harbaugh has established himself as an extremely desirable head coach, so he doesn't have anywhere to climb at this point, and he's sure to make a shitload of money wherever he goes. Wheatley's not there yet. Going back to college as an RB coach would be an extremely risky, bold move. It's not out of the question - for one, who knows about his job status and happiness with the Bills - but that would be a very different situation from Harbaugh's. If we get Wheatley, it likely involves some kind of title that's a step up from RB coach.
|3 days 15 hours ago||I'm pretty confident that||
I'm pretty confident that we're going to get Harbaugh. I'm extremely confident that Jeff Moss is a giant d-bag.
|4 days 8 hours ago||In addition to the obviously||
In addition to the obviously awesome CJK5H, I love that Mike Leach named his autobiography "Swing Your Sword."
|4 days 9 hours ago||Not as intense as it sounds.||
Not as intense as it sounds. It's a massive bowl with a pretty small dick.
|4 days 14 hours ago||Is there a reference I'm||
Is there a reference I'm missing here? Are you Mason Cole's father? WHAT'S HAPPENING?
|5 days 11 hours ago||Do you really think Les or||
Do you really think Les or LSU cares that much about the Music City Bowl? We're pretty clearly in Harbaugh wait-and-see mode now, unless we're also after an NFL coach or someone involved in the CFP or another big bowl. What that does mean, though, is that it gives our other targets a nice excuse to focus on their current teams while we figure out what our obvious #1 target is doing.
If Harbaugh had said no already (which I doubt) and Miles were Michigan's next choice (which I also doubt), I think we'd have already seen Miles' hiring press conference.
|1 week 9 hours ago||The guy on the left is really||
The guy on the left is really underrated.
|1 week 9 hours ago||Great news, Ace. Welcome||
Great news, Ace. Welcome back, and keep us updated about how everything is going.
|1 week 2 days ago||Negged for not caring enough||
Negged for not caring enough about being negged.
|1 week 2 days ago||I disagree. One of the||
I disagree. One of the silliest things about coaching searches is that people act like it's a huge embarrassment if a couple of candidates say "no, thanks." Who cares? I'd much rather have an exhaustive search that sees a couple of people say no and then a very good candidate say yes to one that avoids the no's but produces a worse coach.
In fact, as one who was nervous about Hackett running this search, I love the way he's casting a wide net. I've been arguing that we should reach out to guys like Stoops, Malzahn, and Patterson just in case they're interested, and I wasn't expecting the AD to actually do that. I think it's the right strategy. You only need one of those guys to be interested -- and with the resources and roster that Michigan offers, it's totally possible that one excellent coach will surprise us and say yes.
EDIT: FYI, I didn't neg you. Not a fan of people downvoting reasonably stated opinions they disagree with.
|1 week 3 days ago||Meh, they're reaching out to||
Meh, they're reaching out to a lot of guys. It makes sense to talk to Miles - and then leak it - because as more of the "Michigan reached out to __" stories come out, you don't want Miles to look like a Plan Z if he eventually becomes the coach.
|1 week 4 days ago||I'm in the minority on this,||
I'm in the minority on this, but I really didn't like the UTL uniforms (from 2011). I think people remember them fondly because we won, but if we had lost that game, those things would be regarded as every bit as awful as the bumblebees.
|1 week 4 days ago||Those are awesome because||
Those are awesome because they're throwbacks, and actual throwbacks are awesome, especially when they're to championship seasons. But if we step back for a second and assess things honestly... those 1989 uniforms are hideous.
|1 week 4 days ago||My ideal scenario is a 6-team||
My ideal scenario is a 6-team playoff with byes for #1 and #2, #6 playing @ #3 and #5 playing @ #4. That's not because there are six stand-out teams this year (I've argued for this configuration for awhile), but because it makes it a lot better to be #1/#2 than #3/#4, a lot better to be #3/#4 than #5/#6, and a lot better to be #5/#6 than #7. In other words, every regular season game for top teams would matter... a lot... and the top teams would be rewarded.
Unfortunately, I think we'll always have a situation where the total number of teams is 2^x and x is a whole number. In other words, they wouldn't stop at 6 when they could easily go to 8 (and rake in those dollars), and they wouldn't stop at 12 when they could easily go to 16 (and rake in those dollars).
|1 week 4 days ago||If there's something||
If there's something noteworthy about this, it's that he isn't even pretending to want to return to SF next year. I have no idea whether Harbaugh is coming to Michigan. I'm damn sure he's going somewhere.
|1 week 4 days ago||I agree. A little schematic||
I agree. A little schematic diversity is okay, but it should come after the offense gets the basics of a single system down - and definitely not in the first couple of seasons with a new coach. The last thing we need is a coach/OC who brings a schedule like this into his 2015 spring practices with the offense:
Week 1: Air Raid
The really good offenses today are the ones that do the thing they do incredibly well. I'm a little agnostic about which offense to run, since I think that how well someone runs his offense (and gets the right personnel for it) generally makes a bigger difference than which offense he runs.
|1 week 5 days ago||That's not what it's going to||
That's not what it's going to be. He's gonna get far more questions about the Raiders job than the Michigan job. Remember that this is the Bay Area media, the 49ers and Raiders are a rivalry-type thing, and today's talk has been that there's possible mutual interest between Harbaugh and the Raiders.
I wouldn't be surprised if he doesn't get asked about Michigan - or maybe gets one question about it among a half-dozen questions about the Raiders job.
|1 week 5 days ago||Please don't be Jim||
Please don't be Jim Hackett.
Please don't be Jim Hackett.
Please don't be Jim Hackett.
Please don't be Jim Hackett.
Please don't be Jim Hackett.
|1 week 5 days ago||Did a different guy write||
Did a different guy write your first and second paragraphs? How do those two thoughts fit together?
|1 week 5 days ago||Hey man, our football team||
Hey man, our football team missed a bowl game again and we're waiting to see whether OSU makes the CFP, we saw our basketball team lose to a school called NJIT yesterday, and one of our most beloved insiders is threatening us with names like Schiano. We're fragile right now.
|1 week 6 days ago||No, not even close.||
No, not even close.
|2 weeks 3 hours ago||Twitter is not a source of||
Twitter is not a source of information. It is a tool that people use to communicate. Saying that a rumor's source is Twitter is like saying that its source is people's faces.
|2 weeks 3 hours ago||In this case, that's not||
In this case, that's not really fair. This is coming from an SI writer who claims to be getting his information from a "well-known current head coach" who is connected to Payton. This is probably a move for contract negotiation leverage, if anything, but these kinds of things are definitely fair game for threads. Unlikely as it is, it'd be a pretty damn interesting hire.
I agree with you when it comes to threads about some guy with no information saying he thinks that Coach X is/isn't coming.
|2 weeks 8 hours ago||I'm confused. Are you also||
I'm confused. Are you also Nitro? If you are, who were you before you were Nitro? With 16,000 points, I'm assuming that you switched names at some point.
|2 weeks 9 hours ago||I hardly have any idea what's||
I hardly have any idea what's going on in this thread - I'm too dumb or old or something - but I doubt this. This looks to me like Cowherd got duped, which he realizes now, but he's too much of child to fess up to that and is going with the "LOL, got ya!!!!" story.
|2 weeks 10 hours ago||Eh, the NFL is very different||
Eh, the NFL is very different from college. It's rare that coaches stay in one place for more than a few years, and you don't have to worry about other coaches telling your recruits that you'll be gone before they graduate.
Harbaugh was a great hire, but this could have been a good one, too.
|2 weeks 12 hours ago||Oh, excellent. So now Carr||
Oh, excellent. So now Carr is a backstabbing, petty, senile racist.
Seriously, have you ever read or heard anything that people who know Carr well say about him? Almost everyone who knows him - including black people! - says that he's a terrific mentor, role model, and person. I don't know Lloyd personally, but I know a couple of people who do, and they talk about him as one of the most decent people they know.
|2 weeks 12 hours ago||Interventional urology? I'm||
Interventional urology? I'm imagining a friend approaching me with a concerned look and saying, "Look, man, I really need to take a look at your penis."
|2 weeks 13 hours ago||I love that in this day and||
I love that in this day and age I stop to assess the credibility of a guy whose name is BlueCheez and who's primary argument that we should believe him is that he's never started a thread before.
I think it's possible that this is true, and I've been surprised that Pinkel's name hasn't come up at all. It would be a C/C+ hire to me. Pinkell's fine, but he's old and there's not enough that's exciting about him to forgive his age.
|2 weeks 13 hours ago||It's totally possible that||
It's totally possible that I'm just looking for good signs at this point, but telling players this seems plainly stupid unless you're really confident that you know who you're hiring (and want to prevent transfers over Christmas) and Hackett doesn't seem that stupid. If true, I think this could be another subtle, slighly positive sign that Harbaugh is likely.
|2 weeks 13 hours ago||I just posted this in another||
I just posted this in another thread, but I think a much more reasonable interpretation of Carr's comments (than the conspiracy theories) is that he's trying to communicate to former players who trust him that he's behind Harbaugh and willing to forgive Harbaugh for his comments about Michigan football players' academics. Those comments probably upset a lot of guys at the time, and I could see this being Carr's attempt to pitch in by getting everyone on the same page and quelling internal resistance.
|2 weeks 13 hours ago||I'm feeling more confident||
I'm feeling more confident about this, which will make the disappointment that much more bitter when it doesn't happen.
It feels like Hackett and others involved like Griese are trying to instill patience in everyone for a careful, multi-week search process (example: "swimming lanes"). That's a good approach regardless of whether Harbaugh's a serious possibility, but it's also notably different from how Florida, Nebraska, etc. are conducting their coaching searches and it's consistent with the possibility that we need to wait out the 49ers season. The talk of Hackett working through the 49ers sounded to me like it was about timing --- getting Harbaugh out of SF soon in a way that's okay with everyone. But probably most of all, I think Carr's words mean something. He just never does that. My best guess is that Carr's signaling to former players who trust him that there's no reason to worry about / interfere with Harbaugh, even if they once felt hurt by his comments about Michigan football players' academics (and maybe simultaneously implying that there are more serious concerns about Miles). And more generally, if it's true that Carr has been talking to Harbaugh, I just can't see him getting people's hopes up like that if he didn't think that Harbaugh is seriously interested.
Even if the evidence that Harbaugh's coming isn't all that solid, I just don't any signs that we're moving on or that Harbaugh isn't interested. No adament denials from Harbaugh, no "it takes two to tango" messages from people involved in this, no indications of timelines that wouldn't work for Harbaugh, etc.
I don't know. I'm much more optimistic about this than I was a week ago. That makes me nervous.
|2 weeks 13 hours ago||If he comes to Michigan, I'll||
If he comes to Michigan, I'll be seriously disappointed if he doesn't continue to wear #109.
|2 weeks 14 hours ago||To be fair, that's better||
To be fair, that's better than my sources, who just send me links to espn.com articles.
|2 weeks 15 hours ago||Depends. Would he run his||
Depends. Would he run his Old Testament offense or his New Testament offense?
|2 weeks 1 day ago||This blog is at its worst||
This blog is at its worst when the topic of conversation is Lloyd Carr or Rich Rodriguez. Almost any thread about either guy ends up loaded with craziness, nastiness, and dead horse beatings.
|2 weeks 1 day ago||As batshit crazy as the Carr||
As batshit crazy as the Carr conspiracy theorists on this site are, I think Lloyd might have intended this partly as a shot at Miles. It seems pretty clear that Lloyd doesn't like Miles. The conspiracy theorist interpretation of this seems to be that Lloyd hates Miles because Lloyd is insanely petty and can't get over a decades-old personal conflict with Miles, Lloyd secretly hates Michigan, or Lloyd only looks after himself and his friends.
It's entirely possible, though, that Lloyd knows a lot more about Miles' character than we do. I mean, most of us sense that Miles is probably sleazy. If Lloyd knows that Miles is undoubtedly a dirty, dishonest, sleazy asshole, then I want Lloyd communicating that to our AD (maybe even more subtly than this), because that's not a guy we want running our football program. And then I want an AD who's smart, strong, and independent enough to consider that information reasonably and make his own decisions.
|2 weeks 1 day ago||Sorry, what I wrote is||
Sorry, what I wrote is confusing (too many Jims). With the second statement I meant that Harbaugh will have a lot of good options to choose from.
|2 weeks 1 day ago||This is probably dumb, but is||
This is probably dumb, but is it a good sign that Carr said, "If I had a choice, I would choose Jim Harbaugh, but it will be Jim Hackett's decision"? I mean, Carr supposedly has been in touch with Harbaugh, and that's a very different comment from, "If I had a choice, I would choose Jim Harbaugh, but Jim will have a lot of great opportunities to choose from."
That's dumb and I'm reading too much into that, right?
|2 weeks 1 day ago||Come on, this is easy to say||
Come on, this is easy to say in hindsight, but Scott Loeffler has a really good record as QB coach. I mean, he's 40 years old and his Wikipedia page includes this line:
Loeffler was the college quarterbacks coach to future NFL Draft picks Tom Brady, Tim Tebow, Brian Griese, Chad Henne, Drew Henson, John Navarre, and Logan Thomas. The players have started over 300 regular-season NFL games and garnered a combined four Super Bowl rings as pros.
Harbaugh probably would have been a better hire, but if we're being fair it's hard to complain about Carr hiring Loeffler.
|2 weeks 1 day ago||You shut your whore mouth.||
You shut your whore mouth.
|2 weeks 1 day ago||Yeah, I'd be happy to see||
Yeah, I'd be happy to see that section of the "Profiles" posts die after this first round.
|2 weeks 1 day ago||This is the main reason to||
This is the main reason to believe there's a massive gulf between Harbaugh and Mullen. Harbaugh built a lasting powerhouse out of nothing at Stanford. Mullen has built a decent program with an excellent season out of nothing at MSU. I just wish we had more data on Mullen. Did it take time to build up to this, and they're just plain good now, or has this been a fluky good season with a veteran roster (after being 2-21 vs. ranked teams before this year)? Was his brain-farting his way through game management decisions in the biggest game of his career (vs. Alabama this year) just a forgivable outlier? What about whatever happened against Ole Miss?
But the question isn't Harbaugh vs. Mullen; it's Mullen vs. the field. If the field is guys like Butch Jones, Todd Graham, and Greg Schiano - and even Les Miles - then give me Mullen and I'm very happy. If the field includes a guy like Gary Patterson or Bob Stoops or Gus Malzahn, then there's no way I'd hire Mullen.
|2 weeks 1 day ago||When Cowherd says "no one is||
When Cowherd says "no one is talking about this guy" (or whatever), I'm sure he doesn't mean that no one on MGoBlog has mentioned the guy. He's a national radio host who hears only the most superficial conversations about this stuff.
|2 weeks 1 day ago||I don't care about the Debord||
I don't care about the Debord thing, but I am curious what the footballscoop.com guy said. Care to summarize?
|2 weeks 1 day ago||I'll take care of it for you||
I'll take care of it for you today.
We're hiring Gary Pinkel, Colin Cowherd will be the AD, and we've traded Jabrill Peppers and $72 million to the 49ers so that Ross can have Harbaugh with the Dolphins.
|2 weeks 1 day ago||If anything, I feel less of a||
If anything, I feel less of a sense of urgency now that Florida and Nebraska are set. There's a recruiting timeline, yes, but I care much more about getting this right than I care about this (fortunately small) recruiting class. It's nice that the main college competitors are now, what, Kansas (for now), Oregon State, and Colorado State? And then Tulsa?
Hackett should take as long as he needs to get the best guy possible.
|2 weeks 1 day ago||The higher ups in the office||
The higher ups in the office said that our boss (big Michigan alum and donor...his name is on one of the academic buildings...) is pushing for Gary Pinkel to be the next Michigan coach. Now, I don't know how these things work, but I know he cuts Michigan a hefty, hefty annual check and at least has a seat at the table.
I'm betting it's Mr. Modern Languages who can't keep his mouth shut.
|2 weeks 2 days ago||It's in Hackett's interests||
It's in Hackett's interests to communicate to Michigan fans that he's being bold, creative, and aggressive in pursuing Harbaugh, even if he thinks there's no chance that Harbaugh comes.
|2 weeks 2 days ago||He's probably worried about||
He's probably worried about surface-to-air missiles if he flies anywhere near Greg Schiano.
|2 weeks 2 days ago||If Stoops is actually||
If Stoops is actually interested, I think he's the one guy you sign without waiting for a firm answer from Harbaugh.
|2 weeks 2 days ago||I wouldn't worry about guys||
I wouldn't worry about guys who know nothing and don't cover Michigan betting on Schiano to get the job mainly because he was offered the job seven years (and two athletic directors) ago.
|2 weeks 2 days ago||This kid has serious "fan||
This kid has serious "fan favorite" potential for sticking with us through all of this. The same goes for the rest of the recruits who stay on board despite having other opportunities.
|2 weeks 2 days ago||I'd imagine it's||
I'd imagine it's contract-related, but there's also a believability side in our case. There's no way that Hoke would voluntarily leave this job right now. For DB, though, it's conceivable that life got so unpleasant for him at the end that he would say, "Okay, my being here isn't good for anyone, including myself."
|2 weeks 2 days ago||There are a lot of||
There are a lot of assumptions required to believe that rumor. The Rivals mods have to somehow know something, the coach has to be genuinely interested and not just seeking a raise, there has to be reciprocated interest from Michigan, etc.
If it is true, then it's best for us if the name doesn't get out. We're in waiting mode for Harbaugh right now, unless we can get a clear, believable signal from him. There's no better way to kill a good candidate than by forcing him to spend the next month denying that he's interested in Michigan. See: Miles in 2007.
|2 weeks 2 days ago||Still, these are a lot less||
Still, these are a lot less dumb than what The Sporting News came up with:
Mock odds for next HC of Michigan
Les Miles 5/1
Greg Schiano 8/1
David Shaw 10/1
Jim Harbaugh 15/1
John Harbaugh 20/1
P.J. Fleck 25/1
Butch Jones 25/1
Lane Kiffin 25/1
Gary Patterson 50/1
Bob Stoops 50/1
Kevin Sumlin 50/1
Bo Pelini 50/1
Jim McElwain 75/1
Greg Roman 100/1
Mike Gundy 150/1
Cam Cameron 200/1
Tyrone Wheatley 500/1
Dan Mullen 750-1
Mike Shanahan 1000-1
Mullen at 750/1 while Shaw is 10/1, Fleck is 25/1, and Kiffin is 25/1? Right. Nice work there, SN.
|2 weeks 2 days ago||So Bovada has Harbaugh||
So Bovada has Harbaugh (+200), Miles (+250), Butch Jones (+350), Mike Gundy (+350), and Greg Schiano (+450).
Personally, I'd flip Miles and Harbaugh, put a lot more space between Miles/Harbaugh and the other three guys, and have a "field" option that's also way more likely than Jones, Gundy, and Schiano.
|2 weeks 2 days ago||IMO it's good for college||
IMO it's good for college football that these types of terms are in coaches' contracts. In general, I think schools are too quick to fire coaches - and coaches are too quick to search for a better job - and these kinds of clauses provide stability by increasing the costs of movement.
|2 weeks 2 days ago||And what's your||
And what's your interpretation?
|2 weeks 3 days ago||If he wants it, there should||
If he wants it, there should be a place somewhere in the Athletic Department or football program for Hoke. I'd imagine that he's ready to go elsewhere, but it's sad to see him go.
|2 weeks 3 days ago||Stop being anti-fecalic.||
Stop being anti-fecalic.
|2 weeks 3 days ago||Hoke's a good man whose most||
Hoke's a good man whose most serious offense was accepting a job for which he wasn't qualified. He was too loyal to his assistants, too willing to trade on-the-field success for off-the-field success, and too wedded to the football philosophies of his heroes and mentors. Those are shortcomings for a coach at the highest level of college football, but they're not shortcomings for a person. He's not cut out for this level of coaching in this era of college football, but he'll be easy to cheer for wherever he ends up.
Go Blue, Coach Hoke, and good luck.
|2 weeks 3 days ago||I just searched, and I'm very||
I just searched, and I'm very skeptical that's real.
|2 weeks 3 days ago||"Where there is smoke there||
"Where there is smoke there is fire."
I heard that UMFanstuckinOhio has sex with farm animals.
Now there's smoke on that issue.
|2 weeks 3 days ago||The Carr conspiracy theory||
The Carr conspiracy theory stuff in this thread is so stupid.
1. Everything we've heard is that Carr isn't engaging in the coaching search.
2. Even if he were, if he knows things suggesting that Miles would be a dangerous hire, we should want him to express those things to the AD (and we should want an AD who's strong enough not to just do whatever Carr wants).
3. Today's conspiracy theorists aren't even reading the damn article. The article says that the internal disagreement is about whether Miles is serious about the position or whether he's posturing to get a raise from LSU in a way that would give us a black eye. Maybe that's a stupid thing to care about, but nothing in this story says there's an "I hate Les" crowd (just a "he's not serious about this" crowd).
|2 weeks 4 days ago||And if someone new walks in||
And if someone new walks in next year and goes 11-2, will you give Hoke credit for those wins?
|2 weeks 4 days ago||Assuming that I'm||
Assuming that I'm understanding you correctly, I have no idea what you see in common between  Rodriguez's run at Michigan and  Richt's run at Georgia, Stoops' run at Oklahoma, Gundy's run at Oklahoma State, Miles' run at LSU, and Pelini's run at Nebraska. Rodriguez seems like just as good of a coach as most of those guys, but those guys all won a lot at their schools and then became stale to their fans. That's what I'm getting at.
|2 weeks 4 days ago||I like it. Let's call it the||
I like it. Let's call it the Schiano Principle. If an organization floats Greg Schiano as a possibility when it's about to hire someone, the guy it ends up hiring will look better to everyone because he's not Greg Schiano.
|2 weeks 4 days ago||It's interesting how many||
It's interesting how many guys are being mentioned as possible movers who have been successful and seem like very good coaches to people outside their campuses, but whose fans seem to be tiring of them. Richt, Stoops, Gundy, Miles, Pelini, etc. All of those guys would be regarded as good hires for many jobs, yet it doesn't seem like their fanbases would miss them.
I think the lesson is that almost every fanbase has ridiculous expectations for its teams.
|2 weeks 4 days ago||I did the same to Njia's||
I did the same to Njia's comment. It's maybe once/month that I literally lol to something on this site, and it's always a fun moment -- and often a dumb joke that does it.
|2 weeks 4 days ago||Thanks for this. I've been||
Thanks for this.
I've been basing my view on this mostly on the gap between them in almost all of the computer rankings (including FEI), but you're right that it's hard to see here. A win over K-State would obviously help Baylor there more than a win over Iowa State would help TCU, and then I think it's down to what you think about Minnesota.
|2 weeks 4 days ago||I guess I just separate||
I guess I just separate "wanting to see someone fired" and "enjoying seeing someone fired." In Brandon's case, I felt both. In Hoke's case (and RR's case), I only feel the former.
|2 weeks 4 days ago||Fair point. Looking to M-W, I||
Looking to M-W, I was going for this definition of "grace" ("a controlled, polite, and pleasant way of behaving") and not this one ("a way of moving that is smooth and attractive and that is not stiff or awkward").
|2 weeks 4 days ago||TCU. If the TCU-Baylor game||
TCU. If the TCU-Baylor game had been a lopsided Baylor win - or even a road win at TCU - I might feel differently, but in my mind that win isn't enough for Baylor to overcome TCU's superior performance in the rest of its games.
|2 weeks 4 days ago||This isn't criticism... I'm||
This isn't criticism... I'm honestly curious. Is this how you expect to react to seeing Hoke fired? I want him fired, too, but I'm expecting to be sad while watching his press conference. That's not always true for me - case in point: Brandon's firing - but to me Hoke's firing will feel necessary, appropriate, good for Michigan... and totally joyless.
I'll walk away feeling like he's a good man who conducted himself gracefully in difficult circumstances, and whose worst crime was taking a dream job that he wasn't really qualified to have. (Or, more specifically, being too loyal to mediocre assistants, because in his core Hoke's just not as cutthroat as you need to be at this level of his profession.)
|2 weeks 4 days ago||I think our 2014 OL was||
I think our 2014 OL was better than I expected this year but worse than I expect for a Michigan OL. I came into this season thinking that the OL was an awful Achilles' Heel to an otherwise very talented, good team. Leaving the season, I think the OL's performance was subpar but no worse than every other position group on offense, along with the DBs.
|2 weeks 4 days ago||Also Maryland at #21.||
Also Maryland at #21.
|2 weeks 4 days ago||I'm not a Miles fan, but he's||
I'm not a Miles fan, but he's far from a "nuclear option" (if, by that, you mean crappy, worst-case scenario). I mean:
For all of Miles' faults, that's pretty damn good.
|2 weeks 4 days ago||Kind of fun on my end,||
Kind of fun on my end, actually. It's like being screamed at over the phone and then realizing that the guy screaming at you called the wrong number.
|2 weeks 4 days ago||The OP is talking about||
The OP is talking about retaining Hoke for another full year, not another few weeks.
|2 weeks 4 days ago||Waiting is too costly and||
Waiting is too costly and uncertain to justify. It'd generate a lot of apathy and malaise among fans, stretch the damage to multiple years of recruiting classes, and generally leave the impression (among the media, team, fans, etc.) that we don't know where we're headed. And why should we believe that next year's crop of candidates will be better and more interested in Michigan?
If we miss with the ultra-desirable candidates this year, then we just need to do our homework on the riskier bets and do the best we can. It's clear that this coaching staff isn't getting it done. Personally, I wish Hoke had fired about half of his assistants after last season, since I think that was his best bet for pulling through, but now it's too late for that.
A lot of very good coaches would take the Michigan job, if offered a decent salary. We just have to find one who will succeed here.
|2 weeks 4 days ago||To be fair, you're||
To be fair, you're criticizing him for redundancy when your post makes the same point that 25 posts in this thread have already made.
|2 weeks 4 days ago||He also did it on a touchdown||
He also did it on a touchdown run against OSU, which is a pretty bad-ass way to tear an ACL.
|2 weeks 4 days ago||Yeah, we need to learn a||
Yeah, we need to learn a lesson from our posts from January and February saying that 2014 is the best year ever. If things go well next year, let's hold off until making those claims until 11:59:59 PM on December 31, 2015. Even then I'll be a little nervous.
|2 weeks 4 days ago||I'm not a grammar Nazi to||
I'm not a grammar Nazi to posters to message boards, but would it kill MLive to either hire people who know how to write or do a little editing before publishing? From "Michigan alum" to "the chance's are" to everything else I've read from Nick Baumgardner, it's just shitty writing.
|2 weeks 5 days ago||Really, what is the source of||
Really, what is the source of this rumor? Am I missing a link or tweet or something?
When I google "LSU insiders," this MGoBlog page is the third link and there's nothing that comes up as LSU Insiders. There is (or was) a bayoubengalsinsider.com, but I can't get that to work.
|2 weeks 5 days ago||Exactly. Strength of schedule||
Exactly. Strength of schedule should matter much more than it did in the BCS era, as should how teams play beyond whether they simply win or lose. FSU at #3 makes sense. If FSU had played Alabama's or Oregon's schedule, they'd have at least one loss right now, probably more.
|3 weeks 2 days ago||A lot of people are making||
A lot of people are making this point and it makes little sense to me.
First, even if all you care about is who's hired as Michigan's next head football coach, the AD will play a major role in that. The candidates will size him up as a potential boss, and he'll be involved in evaluating candidates.
Second, Michigan AD is a really big job. Our next AD, if he's around for a few years, will probably have to:
It matters that we get this right.
|3 weeks 2 days ago||I mean, obviously it's better||
I mean, obviously it's better to judge him according to his job performance, but that's not possible at the time of hiring. By that logic, no one should say a word about our upcoming coaching search until several years from now, since no living person other than Moeller, Carr, Rodriguez, and Hoke has a track record coaching Michigan football that can be evaluated.
On a message board, it's fine to react to this kind of news, especially when those reactions are tied to the candidate's apparent qualifications for the job.
|3 weeks 2 days ago||If it's a crucial time for UM||
If it's a crucial time for UM football, it's a crucial time for UM athletics. If things continue to go extremely poorly for our football program (most importantly, a continued waning of fan interest), the financial consequences will be felt widely across our athletic department.
|3 weeks 2 days ago||There's reason to be||
There's reason to be skeptical without believing that Hackett is Brandon 2.0. This is a really important hire, and the other people being mentioned for this job seem much more qualified than Hackett for this particular job (Bates, Manuel, Long, Castiglione, Parker, etc.). It's possible than an outside-the-box candidate with no AD experience is the right move, but it's not like Hackett was hired after a long, careful process in which he was judged to be superior to more conventional candidates.
Hackett's very much an unknown, which is a legitimate reason to question whether it's wise to have him calling the shots during an extremely important period for UM athletics.
|3 weeks 2 days ago||If true, I don't like this at||
If true, I don't like this at all. I'm not sure that I follow the logic of, "This is an important hire that we need to take our time to get right. So, you, guy who's never done this before, you hold the fort down for a couple of years - maybe permanently - and make a bunch of hugely consequential decisions while we think about who should be making these decisions."
|3 weeks 3 days ago||Reasonable. Now WIN THE GAME.||
|3 weeks 3 days ago||On top of that, if I were at||
On top of that, if I were at a restaurant and some guy approached me to ask a lot of questions about whether Michigan is seriously considering Les Miles, the easiest way out of that (probably unpleasant) situation is to say, "Yes, Michigan will very seriously consider Les Miles."
In that situation, the guy could be asking about hiring Fielding Yost and I'd probably tell him that we're very serious about it if he is.
|3 weeks 3 days ago||And that's Mount Everest on||
And that's Mount Everest on the left. That's how big that dog and wine barrel are.
|3 weeks 3 days ago||It depends. "Inside" of||
It depends. "Inside" of what?
To get inside this current staff/team, Sam is the guy. But this staff is about to get swept out, so it'll be interesting to see what happens with Sam as a source, and we don't know who, if anyone, will have that kind of access to the next staff.
Bacon has some institutional and AD connections, but he almost certainly isn't connected to Schlissel or Hackett, and some have questioned whether Bacon tends to hear one side of multi-sided stories.
Probably no media member is connected to Schlissel or Hackett in a useful, insidery way, since Schlissel is brand new to the Michigan community and Hackett has been detached from it for some time.
Brian's run for the Board of Regents (and possible seat on the Board) could provide access to a lot of interesting information, and I'm eager to see how he handles all of that.
Then there are other ways of getting access, though the information is messier. Some of the recruiting types (like Tom VH) have access to players, because they got to know them while covering recruiting. Others are connected in one way or another to potential coaching candidates, though it's hard to know what to make of any information that comes from that direction. This includes a supposedly decades-old Bacon-to-Harbaugh connection, though I can't tell whether there's a meaningful, ongoing relationship there. (Others might know more.) Gregg Henson seems to have access to a former player, but he likely presents his access to the program and coaching decision-making as much better than it actually is.
There's a chance that we'll be very much in the dark about this coaching search until very late in the game.
|3 weeks 3 days ago||I would love to know where||
I would love to know where Herbstreit got that Miles-to-Michigan story. I'm not a conspiracy theorist type, but the story you told here has always seemed totally plausible to me.
|3 weeks 3 days ago||I'd like to find the sweet||
I'd like to find the sweet spot that maximizes Indiana's suck in a way that just barely keeps Crean employed. It'd be sad to see him go.
|3 weeks 4 days ago||Yeah, I'm having a hard time||
Yeah, I'm having a hard time believing that Les Miles reads his daily newspaper but just doesn't quite get to the sports section.
|3 weeks 4 days ago||How many more times should I||
How many more times should I have explicitly said that I don't blame the fans, and that I'm just as frustrated as everyone else? My point is that I think these things affect people. It's a shitty situation. I think bad performance by our football program produces bad feelings among fans and national mocking (since people love seeing Michigan down), which produces even worse performance by our football program, which produces even worse fan feelings and mocking, and on and on.
I'm not blaming the fans for this. I'm frustrated, too. I'm negative, too. I detested Brandon and I want the entire coaching staff removed. All I'm saying is that psychology is an actual thing, and most kids that age can't completely tune this stuff out or be motivated by it. At that age, I wouldn't have. Shit, if I were hearing every day about how much I suck now, as an adult, I think I'd have a hard time tuning it out or being motivated by it.
|3 weeks 4 days ago||Wait, I don't disagree with||
Wait, I don't disagree with that. I just think that "negativity" from the coaching staff and being a national embarrassment are two completely different things. I'd love to see this coaching staff light a fire under someone's ass for once. I think good coaches do that, and the really good ones understand how to balance getting players to trust them with making their players feel like they need to keep pushing themselves.
I don't see how that's the same thing as reading headlines about how you and your coaches and teammates have destroyed Michigan football. That, to me, is much less likely to light a fire under anyone's ass. I think the best possible balance is the exact reverse of what we're getting -- have the outside world believe that you're a bunch of badasses to get these kids fired up (e.g., what I think MSU's defense reads about itself), then have your coaches pound into you that you're not as good or secure as you think.
|3 weeks 4 days ago||I'm not saying that fans||
I'm not saying that fans aren't entitled to be upset. I'm just saying that I think that stuff rubs off on people, especially when they're that age. Reading about your disaster of a team everywhere on the internet - and hearing about it on campus - probably doesn't make too many guys that age really excited to go all out at the next practice for that disaster of a team. I just think it's human nature to disengage emotionally from those kinds of things.
That's not criticism of fans. A lot of Michigan fans invest a lot of time, money, and emotion in this program, so I totally get that frustration. I'm frustrated myself, obviously.
|3 weeks 4 days ago||I'll bite. Things I||
Things I believe:
Things I don't believe:
|3 weeks 4 days ago||I've had it in my head that||
I've had it in my head that Norfleet's a senior. Even without a redshirt, it feels like he's been here for six years. Here's one of the rare cases when it's good news that I'm an idiot.
|3 weeks 4 days ago||If there's one guy I'd like||
If there's one guy I'd like to see a major leap from next year (other than a QB), it's probably Freddy Canteen. If we lose Funchess, our receiving corps could be really bad next year. Like the worst it's been in decades. And that'll be during a year in which we have one of the shakiest QB situations we've had in recent memory, too.
Most of our other WRs seem physically limited in some way, and I'm assuming that Drake Harris isn't going to storm onto the scene after such a long injury absence. We really need a guy to emerge from that group, and Canteen seems like the most realistic bet, given that he seems to have the physical tools and hopefully just needs some seasoning. It would have been nice to see more positive signs from him this season, though.
|3 weeks 4 days ago||almost there||
"The refs, players, and coaches ˇhaveˇ sucked
|3 weeks 4 days ago||If we get Miles, I'd be fine||
If we get Miles, I'd be fine with him taking the headset off and disengaging a bit from in-game decision-making. My sense is that Miles is using the same kind of CEO-coach approach that Hoke is using (but effectively), and having seen many of Miles' late-game decisions, I think liberally delegating to his assistants is a damn good move.
|3 weeks 4 days ago||I've been hoping to put||
I've been hoping to put together a thread / diary on potential 5th-year QB transfers, but I haven't found much online that would make that easier. Braxton Miller could potentially become the most sought-after QB transfer to date, but something tells me he's not coming here (and he says he's returning to OSU). Does anyone know who else is out there this offseason?
|3 weeks 4 days ago||Just to pin some dates to||
Just to pin some dates to this:
The final game of the regular season is Dec. 28. The wild-card round of the playoffs is Jan. 3/4. There are no weeks off until the week before the Super Bowl, which is Feb. 1. Signing Day is Feb. 4.
If the 49ers go on a run, hopefully Harbaugh quietly communicates his honest interest in the Michigan job long before the Super Bowl.
|3 weeks 4 days ago||Everything needs money to||
Everything needs money to survive - companies, university athletic departments, Save the Children, lemonade stands, your public library, a state government, etc. - but that doesn't mean that they all need a CEO with business experience to function well. I'm with TennBlue on this. Those skills are hugely important to a healthy athletic department, so you need people with the skills around, but I think it's dangerous to have that mentality guiding the department.
|3 weeks 5 days ago||Hoke's not staying. I made||
Hoke's not staying. I made the same argument in a thread yesterday, but Hackett effectively told us yesterday that he's firing Hoke. He said that he'll be the one to make a decision about Hoke's future. The only relevant decision he can make is to fire him. If he "decides" to keep Hoke, then the next AD could just come in and decide to fire Hoke himself.
In other words, the only relevant decision that Hackett can make is to fire Hoke and he told us yesterday that he'll be making a relevant decision. Hoke's gone. Hackett's being respectful, because a lot of people like and respect Hoke, but I think it's very clear that Hoke's gone.
|3 weeks 5 days ago||My initial impression is that||
My initial impression is that I don't want this guy as the long-term AD. The frequent references to his leadership of a "global corporation" are offputting in the Brandon aftermath and cringeworthy more generally. I also read/hear many of his statements and wonder what the hell he just said, if anything.
I have a feeling that he's going to push for the job. Hopefully Schlissel goes out and gets a successful athletic director to run our athletic department, not a successful businessperson. They're different jobs that require different types of people.
|3 weeks 6 days ago||I don't even see the evidence||
I don't even see the evidence that Mark Stoops is a better coach than Hoke. The best thing I've heard anyone say about Stoops is that he's a good recruiter. So's Hoke. And although Hoke's overall record is pretty lousy - and his team's current performance is even worse than that - Hoke's been a MAC coach of the year, Mountain West coach of the year, and Big Ten coach of the year. Stoops doesn't have anything near that on his resume.
|3 weeks 6 days ago||Something tells me that||
Something tells me that "don't hire potentially successful people because they might earn opportunities elsewhere" isn't a hiring strategy that's adopted by many high-functioning organizations.
|3 weeks 6 days ago||You really think that Mark||
You really think that Mark Stoops and Butch Jones are on that short list of top choices? I have no idea what people are seeing in Mark Stoops. If his last name weren't Stoops would you feel as strongly about him?
|3 weeks 6 days ago||He's basically a hitman who||
He's basically a hitman who will weigh in on the permanent AD search. I can't imagine he's making many serious long-term decisions for the athletic department beyond this. So yeah... not bad compensation for what he's being asked to do.
|3 weeks 6 days ago||Totally disagree. By saying||
Totally disagree. By saying that he'll decide Hoke's future, Hackett just told us that he's going to fire Hoke. If he decided to keep Hoke, then the next AD could just come in and decide to fire him. The only "decision" by Hackett that's relevant is a firing and Hackett just told us that he's making a relevant decision.
And that makes sense to me. There's no reason to leave blood on the hands of the permanent AD, especially when so many people like and respect Hoke as much as they do.
|3 weeks 6 days ago||Maybe point the camera in the||
Maybe point the camera in the other direction if you want to give us an actual indication of how attendance looks right now?
|3 weeks 6 days ago||I'm happy for Faith and||
I'm happy for Faith and Michigan softball. But MGoSoftball, someone politely suggested that you put a "(softball)" in these thread titles - before others impolitely suggested it - and there's no reason for you not to do it. There's less ambiguity when the name is Faith than when it's Alex, but still.
Again, though, good news and Go Blue.
|4 weeks 10 hours ago||Come on, are you really||
Come on, are you really pretending to be a Michigan fan? Your posting history leaves no doubt that you're a Sparty.
I like having other schools' fans here - even MSU fans - but it helps when they act like adults.
|4 weeks 13 hours ago||He wouldn't need to signal||
He wouldn't need to signal that to UM. He could literally just call Schlissel and tell him.
Much more likely in my mind is that he's trying to communicate to his Miami coaches, team, and fans that he's committed to his current group and their current run at the playoffs. In other words, he won't be the type of owner who ruins a potentially good thing by distracting everyone with Harbaugh talk over the next couple of months.
|4 weeks 13 hours ago||Back to RCMB, amigo.||
Back to RCMB, amigo.
|4 weeks 14 hours ago||Yeah, I'm a little skeptical||
Yeah, I'm a little skeptical about this one.
|4 weeks 14 hours ago||If I'm putting that together||
If I'm putting that together correctly, Bacon is guessing that we'll get one of the 4-5 "insider" (i.e., U-M) guys who are very well known. Are there that many names on that list? Jim Harbaugh and Les Miles, obviously. John Harbaugh? Who's next? It seems like a big jump to a guy like Teryl Austin (and I wouldn't call Austin a name that won't go away).
By "another Rich Rod," did he just mean that he won't be a major surprise? Mullen's name has been out there, for example, and although he's an "outsider," he wouldn't be a major surprise.
|4 weeks 15 hours ago||Another point about Mullen is||
Another point about Mullen is that I think his records give a distorted view of MSU's performance (making it look more positive than it has been). He gets credit for playing a nightmarishly difficult SEC schedule, but here's who MSU has played out-of-conference since he's been there:
2014- Southern Miss, UAB, @ South Alabama, UT-Martin
That's garbage. Throw in a couple of conference games against teams like Kentucky, Vanderbilt, and Arkansas, and those 7-6 type seasons really don't look all that impressive, even for MSU.
EDIT: In my post above this one I meant to write "former employers," not "former players." I have no idea what Mullen's relationship is with his former players.
|4 weeks 15 hours ago||There's no risk-free||
There's no risk-free candidate, but Mullen has some definite question marks.
I can forgive a lot of those things, but it's much easier to forgive some negatives when you're looking at someone with Harbaugh-like positives. Mullen's a good candidate, no doubt, and I want Michigan to look closely at him... but I want Michigan to look closely at him. We need to figure out what we'd be getting with this guy. As a candidate, I see him as much closer to Todd Graham territory than Jim Harbaugh / Bob Stoops territory. And that's fine, since that's the territory where we'll probably have to find our coach.
|4 weeks 1 day ago||+1, with "unrelevant" being||
+1, with "unrelevant" being the difference between a +1 and a -1.
|4 weeks 3 days ago||These kinds of comments about||
These kinds of comments about Harbaugh's marital dynamics creep me out. None of us has any idea of what's going on between Jim Harbaugh and his wife, nor do we have any basis for making statements about what she's entitled to ask for or expect. Marriages are funny things, and the Harbaughs are fortunate enough that they can be picky about a lot of things that other families have to be flexible with (e.g., where to live). I mean, Jim could retire tomorrow and I'd imagine they'd be fine for a long, long time.
|4 weeks 3 days ago||If that's what it'll take,||
If that's what it'll take, Jim, we can find a different position for Mr. Schlissel.
|4 weeks 3 days ago||Isn't another interpretation||
Isn't another interpretation that he employed assistants who were generally good assistant coaches but generally not good future head coach material? Maybe that's not ideal, but it's very different from saying that they were a bunch of mediocre assistants. In fact, it's probably hard to win as much as Lloyd did with mediocre assistants.
My guess is that a big part of why we're struggling now is that our assistant coaches aren't as good at being assistant coaches as the guys on Carr's staff were.
|4 weeks 3 days ago||Wasn't that Stewart Mandel||
Wasn't that Stewart Mandel with his yearly "crush"? Definitely one of the weirder things we've seen in college football writing lately.
|4 weeks 3 days ago||I'm inclined to believe what||
I'm inclined to believe what we heard about Pat Forde here. And as a result, I'm inclined to believe that Pat Forde sucks at his job.
|4 weeks 4 days ago||I mean, the guy even said||
I mean, the guy even said it's a bold prediction. Do we have to mock everything that seems even a little implausible? There's nothing crazy about Bob Stoops, a former Florida DC, possibly being interested in Florida after 15 years in Oklahoma and at a time when people there seem to be getting bored with him.
Would I be a little surprised if Stoops left Oklahoma for Florida? Yes. Is it a stupid idea to an extent even approaching Gruden, etc.? No, it's not. I'd be less surprised if Stoops makes this move than I was when RR moved to Michigan in 2007.
|4 weeks 4 days ago||I can't find it now, but I'm||
I can't find it now, but I'm pretty sure that Kelly had a news conference while he was at Oregon in which he was asked about coaching in the NFL one day. He very honestly said that NFL coaching is the highest level of his profession and it's something that he'd consider one day.
I'm rarely "he's not coming" guy, since who knows, but Kelly's not coming.
|5 weeks 15 hours ago||Bacon's in a tough spot with||
Bacon's in a tough spot with things like this. All that people really want to hear from him are rumors and predictions (and predictions mostly because they offer a veil to communicate rumors without actually saying anything about them).
But if he's not hearing anything - and he's probably not hearing much that's meaningful, even if he implies or believes otherwise - it's hard to please this crowd right now.
|5 weeks 15 hours ago||It's way too early to know||
It's way too early to know what Schlissel wants and where he'll take Michigan athletics. At the moment, I'm feeling like there's about a 60% chance that he takes it in a positive direction, a 30% chance that nothing comes of it (because he decides this isn't the hill he wants to die on), and a 10% chance that he actually goes too far in a damaging way.
Then again, I'm probably more tolerant than most of integrity at the expense of wins in college football. But I also care about wins and I think that a lot of things that people talk about as integrity issues really aren't (e.g., see Brian's excellent post yesterday).
|5 weeks 15 hours ago||That's honestly mind-blowing.||
That's honestly mind-blowing. From the Caesar part, to the double-mention of bacon, to Mott's of all companies being behind this, to what the hell "Clamato" is, I have so many questions.
|5 weeks 1 day ago||Well, I'll give you credit||
Well, I'll give you credit for interpreting my comments in a way that's more ridiculous than I would have thought possible.
I'm talking about how, in an abstract sense, we should approach the question of "Do colleges serve their student-athletes well?" I'm not talking about hiring fortune-telling admissions officers. I'll be more specific about that next time.
|5 weeks 1 day ago||Well, he should have known||
Well, he should have known that Trey Burke is not a reliable source for information on Trey Burke. He should have checked message boards and FlightAware like the rest of us.
|5 weeks 1 day ago||I'm about the fifth person to||
I'm about the fifth person to say this, but this is excellent and I agree wholeheartedly.
There are real issues involved with college athletes and academics, but I think the actual issues and the imaginary issues get thrown around together.
For example, I think the critique that too many athletes have soft majors or take easy courses is ridiculous. Why should we expect kids with more modest academic credentials upon admission, and dozens of hours per week of additional responsibilities, to take the same courses and perform just as well as the broader student body (on average)? Of course we shouldn't. And why should we expect athletes and non-athletes to have the same interests? I mean, maybe the reason that a lot of Michigan athletes study kinesiology is because that's closer than anything else to their interests, not just because it's easy. I picked my major because it's what I identified with and liked to think, talk, and read about.
The bottom line question to me is how well these athletes do in life after they leave their universities, and whether they're getting the same kind of (or better) life trajectory bumps that their non-athlete peers get. I don't have Brian's personal experience with former athletes, but my sense is that most former Michigan football players do very well even if they never sniff an NFL career. And that's true even though most had low GPAs and SAT scores relative to the rest of the university.
And then there are actual issues. Sham classes are a problem. Telling a kid who wants to major in physics that he can't because needs to focus on basketball is a problem. But I don't think people are nearly careful enough in defining what's a problem and how to assess whether it's happening.
|5 weeks 1 day ago||In Schlissel's defense, if||
In Schlissel's defense, if the information that got him riled up was seeing 50-60% graduation rates for the football program, then I'm glad he's riled up about that. That shouldn't happen and it's evidence of a problem. With the way we're graduating football players now - and football players with more than enough talent to win games - there's no reason that our football program's grad rate should ever be that low.
If he believes that the solution to 50-60% graduation rates is holding athletes to essentially the same admissions standards as non-athletes, I think he's wrong. I'm sure that our last couple of senior classes didn't have those kinds of credentials. All signs suggest that our current coaching staff has done very well in this area, which is probably both about screening kids carefully up front to be sure you think they can succeed at Michigan and then caring for them and staying on top of them once they get here.
|5 weeks 2 days ago||Come on, leave Jesus out of||
Come on, leave Jesus out of this.
|5 weeks 2 days ago||I saw the line, "He, like||
I saw the line, "He, like Devin Gardner and Jake Butt, are getting healthier every day," and kind of rolled my eyes at the cliché and thought, "Okay, who isn't?" Then I realized that I'm not - in fact, I'm probably getting less healthy everyday - and that's true of almost everyone I know. We're all over the age hump, basically just counting down our days as we wither away to our future decrepit, miserable selves.
Good news about Norfleet and the offensive line.
|5 weeks 2 days ago||He rebuffed Tennessee, but||
He rebuffed Tennessee, but that was after only two seasons at Duke. He might be one who believes that quick job-hopping isn't right. (Remember how loyal he was to his assistants at Ole Miss.) And just because a guy rebuffed a decent program five years ago doesn't mean that he wouldn't make the jump from Duke to Michigan for a final head coaching job. I have to think he's touching Duke's ceiling right now, and I can't imagine anyone would blame him if he left.
|5 weeks 2 days ago||You think 5 years is too long||
You think 5 years is too long to turn around Duke? It's Duke. They were awful before he got there. Rebuilding projects don't happen with the snap of a finger, especially when the project is such a massive one.
|5 weeks 2 days ago||David Cutcliffe from Duke.||
David Cutcliffe from Duke. He isn't a no-name, because I think most people (here) know who he is, but I've seen very little mention of him for this job. That's probably because he's relatively old (60), but I care less about age than most here. Give us 5-10 good years and that's more than enough for me.
Cutcliffe inherited maybe the worst major conference college football program, replacing a coach who went 6-45 overall before Cutcliffe took over. His team has improved steadily, won the ACC Coastal division last year, and is 8-1 right now. He's a reigning national coach of the year and has an excellent record with developing QBs. He also seems like a good guy who would be a good spokesman for the university, and I assume that he's working within some actual academic requirements and expectations at Duke.
Cutcliffe's not at the top of my list, but I think Michigan could do much, much worse.
|5 weeks 3 days ago||I think it's a much harder||
I think it's a much harder job than a lot of people are saying. There's seems to be a notion that we can just hire anyone with a pulse and as long as he can bring us a good football coach for the 2015 season, nothing else matters.
But that's just not true. Our next AD will likely have to navigate Schlissel's "balance" demands and fans' impatience for wins, figure out which traditions to preserve/bring back and where to allow modernization, hire at least one football and basketball coach, keep the department in strong financial health despite waning football ticket demand, keep U-M clean at a time when even schools like UNC and ND are dealing with academic scandals, competently manage any crises that do arise (with increased scrutiny on issues like player safety and campus sexual assault), handle a new apparel contract (right?), appease / put up with the many groups at U-M that will weigh in on this coaching search, especially if we don't get Harbaugh ... and many more issues.
This isn't as simple as hiring the guy who gives us a slightly better chance of getting Harbaugh than the other guys. It's an important job and I think Schlissel is right to spend some time figuring this out.
|5 weeks 3 days ago||Okay, having read through||
Okay, having read through this thread now, I have no doubt that it peaks with the white noise / nipple-level cubicle conversation at the beginning. I didn't think it would when I was in that section, but the thread definitely doesn't go uphill from there.
|5 weeks 3 days ago||Another way of saying this is||
Another way of saying this is that your nipples are like cubicle-high.
|5 weeks 4 days ago||I don't know what that is,||
I don't know what that is, but compared to most trophies it looks pretty delicious. Chocolate-caramel swirl, I assume.
|5 weeks 4 days ago||This is what worries me about||
This is what worries me about this Michigan team. It's all Bielfeldt. If you look at the true one-man teams in recent memory... LeBron's (former Cavs), Iverson's 76ers, Kobe's Lakers, Bielfeldt's Michigan, etc... they eventually run out of gas. One guy can only do so much.
|5 weeks 4 days ago||Nicely handled, JGB. Those||
Nicely handled, JGB. Those comments from MichAero feel very relevant and necessary.
OP, if MichAero has that right, then boooooo this thread. I feel kind of ambivalent to begin with about taking comments heard in class right to MGoBlog. I know it's the world we live in, but I still think it's a little disrespectful to the speaker, and if you want speakers to keep coming and opening up, then let them talk to the people in the room without then telling the world about it. But to do that and then ignore the context is pretty shitty. Especially when it makes a relatively anonymous, seemingly decent guy look petty and spiteful.
|5 weeks 4 days ago||Good call with the music.||
Good call with the music. David Bowie's "Space Oddity" would have also been acceptable here.
|5 weeks 4 days ago||The timing depends on the||
The timing depends on the coach. If there's an opportunity to hire Harbaugh (or Stoops or someone else at that level), you hire him and figure that if the future AD has a problem with that, he's too crazy to be AD anyway. You can't hire anyone beneath the "dream candidate" list without the new AD being involved. The dynamics would be too weird and messy if we hired an AD who stepped into a situation in which Todd Graham or Tom Herman or someone had just been hired.
|5 weeks 4 days ago||Wagner's Alba Berlin team||
Wagner's Alba Berlin team actually just beat the Spurs, 94-93, in October. Wagner had no points, rebounds, assists, steals, or blocks in one minute of play, but if we get him, I'm treating this as definitive evidence that Beilein >>> Popovich.
|5 weeks 4 days ago||It's really not fair to||
It's really not fair to criticize Michigan for not getting Harbaugh in 2010 (not that you are). He had multiple NFL offers and ended up staying close to home, in the Bay Area, for $5 million/year and a team that obviously had the raw materials necessary to build a winner. He turned down a supposedly more lucrative offer from the Dolphins.
If Michigan had been able to keep him from going to the NFL, it would have been a major coup and Brandon rightfully would be viewed very differently right now. As it is, you can blame DB for the Hoke hire but you really can't blame him for not getting Harbaugh. Maybe he didn't try hard enough - which, fine, is a fair reason to assign blame - but I seriously doubt that Harbaugh would have turned down that 49ers job no matter what the Michigan AD did.
|5 weeks 4 days ago||No doubt that wasn't our||
No doubt that wasn't our defense's best showing, but to be fair, there's a Shane Morris pick-6 in there, and Minnesota started four drives in Michigan territory in the second half. That "30" was as much because of the offense as it was because of the defense. Our offense went three-and-out or worse (INT/fumble before getting a first down) on 8 of its 12 drives. That's awful.
|5 weeks 4 days ago||We have a good defense and a||
We have a good defense and a terrible offense. The problems with the offense are numerous. Our skill position players are slow and lack the explosiveness of teams like OSU. Many of the skill position players we do have are banged up (Green, Funchess, Norfleet, Harris) or ineligible this year (Isaac). Our quarterbacks are a disaster. The scheme doesn't make up for any of these faults with its creativity. And surprisingly, our OL is only about fifth on the list of problems (which points to both progress in the OL and the disaster that is the rest of the offense).
The defense, on the other hand, is really good. I think we're a healthy Jabrill Peppers and a non-regressing Blake Countess away from this being an excellent Michigan defense. A lot of people are claiming that this coaching staff hasn't developed anyone, but that's clearly not true for our front seven. They've been very, very good, and that's with our star players being a bunch of lightly recruited guys who have done extremely well here (Ryan, Clark, Henry, Glasgow, etc.).
Honestly, our team isn't the disaster that some are making it out to be, which is a really good thing for the future. We're enough of a disaster - and the coaching is enough to blame - that we need a coaching change, but the new staff will have something to work with.
|5 weeks 5 days ago||The idea behind bowl games is||
The idea behind bowl games is that you should get matched up against a team that's roughly as good as yours. Going .500 is the expectation. Stoops has been in a ton of major bowl games, which makes an 8-7 record pretty impressive. In order, he's gone to the Independence, Orange (OU's nat'l title year), Cotton, Rose, Sugar, Orange, Holiday, Fiesta, Fiesta, BCS NC Game, Sun, Fiesta, Insight, Cotton, and Sugar. That's damn good. And those were consecutive years -- there weren't any missed bowl games in there.
And do you know what Nick Saban's record is in bowl games? 8-7.
|5 weeks 5 days ago||It would be worse than the||
It would be worse than the Hoke hire. Hiring Mark Stoops would be atrocious. The guy has been coaching for two years. He went 0-8 in the SEC last year and is 2-5 right now (with home wins against 0-6 Vanderbilt and 2-5 South Carolina). Yes, Kentucky is 5-5, but that's only because they've played UT-Martin, Ohio, and UL-Monroe out of conference. Hoke's record wasn't deserving of being hired by Michigan, but he had been a coach of the year in two conferences prior to his hire (the MAC and Mountain West).
The floor for this next hire needs to be set somewhere around a Todd Graham type. I'm confident that someone with Graham's profile/stature or better will agree to come if Michigan pursues hard enough and offers a generous enough contract. Mark Stoops is several steps beneath that floor.
|5 weeks 5 days ago||Yeah, I'm thinking Quick Lane||
Yeah, I'm thinking Quick Lane or maybe the Pinstripe, in either case against an ACC team.
|5 weeks 5 days ago||I feel exactly the same way.||
I feel exactly the same way. It's striking to me when I see people saying that Mark Richt is a mediocre coach because his trophy case doesn't look like Saban's or Miles' trophy case. No, he's an excellent coach who seems to play by the rules (unlike his competition), and playing by the rules comes at a high cost. Teams wouldn't bend and break rules - or be as loose as they are ethically - if it didn't offer a serious competitive advantage.
And for fans who give a damn about fair play and ethics, that sucks. You either have to want your team to compromise with those principles or accept a real disadvantage against the other schools that do. Or you could just wait for the NCAA to take these things seriously, which I'll believe when I see.
|5 weeks 6 days ago||In this game, it's kind of||
In this game, it's kind of hard to blame him. Our defense is our only offense.
|6 weeks 8 hours ago||Eh, that one's too popular||
Eh, that one's too popular these days. It seems like every kid I meet is named either Noah or Ass Shit McButt-Fart.
|6 weeks 9 hours ago||He's an interesting case.||
He's an interesting case. His numbers are very good but not great, but he does seem to be a clean coach in a dirty conference. If he relaxed his ethics to Saban / Miles / Freeze levels, then he'd probably have some sexier accomplishments on his résumé. I'd imagine that he has a lot of Georgia fans wondering if it's time to just play by the same rules that the other SEC heavyweights play by, as gross as that would feel.
|6 weeks 9 hours ago||This, and he said that||
This, and he said that: (A) there's a 50-50 chance of landing Jim if Michigan fires Hoke and (B) there's a non-zero chance that Michigan keeps Hoke. Put those together, and even if he had said that he'd "bet against" Michigan landing Jim, that would be a better than 50-50 bet.
TL;DR version: Your post didn't make any sense and my post hardly makes any sense.
|6 weeks 15 hours ago||Wait, Bacon is a friend of||
Wait, Bacon is a friend of Jim Harbaugh? If that's an actual friendship (e.g., they talk) and not Bacon claiming a friend who wouldn't really reciprocate, then shouldn't we feel more confident about Bacon's speculation on this?
|6 weeks 16 hours ago||Shit, Harbaugh can pick my||
Shit, Harbaugh can pick my boss if he'll come to Michigan.
|6 weeks 1 day ago||Dan Mullen was 2-21 against||
Dan Mullen was 2-21 against ranked teams prior to this season (with 14 straight losses). Even with a program like Mississippi State in a conference like the SEC, that's not good. And those overall records are misleading because of how terrible MSU's nonconference opponents are most years (e.g., this year they play Southern MIss, UAB, South Alabama and UT Martin).
What he's done this year is outstanding, and he's a really good candidate for our job because of it. But he needs to be looked at very carefully, because it's not yet clear whether he is building an excellent program or just caught lightning in a bottle in the first eight games of this season.
There's a tendency on this board to evaluate a guy's candidacy entirely by how is team is performing at this exact moment. We've even had threads about how possible candidates' profiles changed based on the past Saturday's games. That strikes me as a very bad way to hire a coach, especially when most of the hot coaches this second will likely regress to the mean next year.
|6 weeks 1 day ago||This is how I feel, too. You||
This is how I feel, too. You call guys like Stoops and Malzahn just in case someone surprises you with interest. And who knows? Someone out there could have issues with his athletic department that we don't know about, could be looking for a new challenge, or could be excited about Michigan in particular. I realize that we're in EVERYTHING IS TERRIBLE, WE'RE BASICALLY A MAC SCHOOL mode right now, but the reality is that Ann Arbor's a nice place to live, Michigan is a resource-heavy historic powerhouse with tons of institutional advantages, most coaching changes don't happen with such experienced and (supposedly) talented rosters, and these last seven years have recalibrated fan expectations a bit and created an opportunity for a successful coach to be regarded as a hero-god. And there aren't many other jobs available this year. It wouldn't surprise me at all if we found an excellent coach who people are assuming right now wouldn't be interested.
|6 weeks 1 day ago||The crowd that's supposedly||
The crowd that's supposedly clamoring for a "Michigan Man" is becoming a bogeyman type character. Is there a single poster here who's insisting that we hire a Michigan Man just for the sake of hiring a Michigan Man? I get that a lot of people want Harbaugh, but Harbaugh would be a terrific candidate for any college job. I feel like there are 100 posts per day complaining about all of the people demanding a Michigan Man coach and 0 posts per day demanding a Michigan Man coach.
Maybe this is an issue with some former players or with whatever part of the Michigan fan base doesn't post here, but I really don't see this major part of our fan base that's demanding that only coaches with Michigan ties are considered.
|6 weeks 1 day ago||I think it'll get harder for||
I think it'll get harder for him in the NFL, too. Players on different teams talk to one another and hear about what's going on. If players on other NFL teams believe that he's an asshole or condescending or whatever, then they probably won't cut him much slack if he shows up on a new team and starts looking like a hard-ass. They'll start rolling their eyes very quickly, which is what it sounds like is going on in San Francisco.
|6 weeks 1 day ago||I know that there's hyperbole||
I know that there's hyperbole involved for effect, which is fine, but this is plainly untrue:
A lack of transparency is always in service to the people entrenched at the top of the institution and not the institution itself.
Transparency is neither good nor bad in itself. Whether it's healthy for an organization (or the world) depends on the circumstances. An athletic director at a public university should be accountable for dickish, dismissive messages he sends from his work account. There, transparency is good. On the other hand, an athletic department at a public school shouldn't have to conduct a search for a football coach in plain view of anyone who wants detailed information about the search. (I know you aren't arguing this.) Allowing some of that to happen behind closed doors is in the best interest of the school.
I think "transparency" has taken on an aura of "yes... good... always more" when there's actually a lot of nuance involved.
|6 weeks 2 days ago||FWIW, Tirico is in my Tier 2.||
FWIW, Tirico is in my Tier 2.
|6 weeks 2 days ago||Why are you strongly opposed||
Why are you strongly opposed to getting coaches who currently coach at their alma mater?