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- You're a fan. Your worrying won't do any good or bad. Your being satisfied with recruiting won't do any good or bad. Doing nothing won't affect things at all.
- As noted above, there is one guy who we've really dropped out for. There are plenty of others we haven't.
- I don't have the comparative stats in front of me. However, me thinks very few schools lost four starters and one solid bench rotation guy. (Stauskas, McGary, Robinson, Morgan, and Horford.) That's 3 guys in the NBA, one in Europe, one in D1 hoops elsewhere.
- Given who we have now, plus Robinson being eligible, plus Wilson being healthy, we should be just fine. And if we keep Max, we'll only have one spot.
- Speaking of one spot, all it takes is one. Add Jaylon Brown, and we couldn't ask for more.
- Where does he want to go?
- What program is he interested in studying?
- Where does his family live?
- We're responsible first of all for those in our own organization. It seems that Sigma Alpha Mu brothers who were present at Treetops had the greatest responsibility to rein in brothers who were destroying property.
- We're responsible secondly for (implicitly) condoning the actions of those whom we associate with. This is, I suspect, the reason the sororities have been suspended. You can't be along for the ride without some blame coming your way.
- We're responsible for the greater association. This is why all Greeks have a bit of a black eye. There are benefits to being part of the panhellenic association. This is one of the costs.
- We're responsible to the University. As students at UofM, the destructive actions reflect on the University, so UofM has a bit of a black eye. This is the reason why we mock Ohio State and Michigan State. When OSU fans poop in coolers and MSU fans burn couches, it reflects on their entire university, even though very few students do either. We can't have it both ways: if we mock other schools for the actions of a very few, we have to see that our own University is open to criticism as well.
|20 hours 58 min ago||Loved article||
I loved the article. I came from regular folk, although not first gen. I live in a community that largely does not go to college. I have learned a lot of hard lessons about elitism over the last 20 years. This article definitely raises those issues. Thank you.
|1 day 5 hours ago||Several things||
The team is in great hands. I wouldn't be too worried.
|1 day 17 hours ago||facepalm||
I'm an idiot. Good night.
|1 day 18 hours ago||Spanky reminds you of RR?||
Spanky reminds you of RR? No, I think your avatar reminds you of RR. Which raises the question: why do you keep an avatar of RR? It seems like a masochistic self-flagellation to keep an avatar of RR. There are things I block out of my memory. Like RR's tenure. To see a picture of him every time I post seems like a painful exercise.
|1 day 19 hours ago||as you wish||
|1 day 19 hours ago||18 commits?||
18 commits? I'm not sure . . . I think one or two less is more realistic, given the numbers. To get to 18 some serious stuff has got to happen, just to make room.
|1 day 19 hours ago||Football Saturdays my Freshman Year||
I'll never forget my first football Saturday as a Freshman in '77. I didn't grow up in Michigan, and had never been to a college game. I was the first person from my family to go to Michigan. Back then, all games were a noon start time. Promptly at 9am, blasting from the room next door from one of those massive stereo systems some guys had, came the full Michigan fight song, fanfare and all. It was, as they say, cranked to "eleven." This was right near the end of the Ten Year War and the classic games with Woody and Bo. As a clueless freshman, I didn't realize how good we had it. Bo Schembechler and a 10-2 season were a given. I woke up the same way every game day, and it never got old. Walking in the throngs down Hoover on a sunny Fall day, enjoying cider, seeing the blue haze of pot smoke floating languidly over the student section, seeing hundreds of coeds passed up the stands every time there was a score. It all melts together in my memory, and is a good thing.
|2 days 57 min ago||Multiple issues & answers||
You really haven't given enough info.
I've spent time on all the campuses, and there are positives to all of them. In many ways, I don't think you can go wrong. I'd really want him to go to all three campuses, and spend time looking at the program (or programs) he is interested in. You can actually meet profs in that area, and get a feel for the strength of each program.
|2 days 7 hours ago||Question on Coach/Player interaction right now||
So, I'm curious about coach / player interaction right now. Are there any regulations on what the players can start to do as they adjust to the new staff? I can imagine that they would want to get going on strength training immediately. But I can also imagine them wanting to learn the playbook, and to do everything they can to get ready for Spring practice. Especially as some of the schemes and plays change, it would make sense that the current team would want to do everything they can to come up to speed.
A related but different question: how and when do players decide to leave the team? Obviously, Bosch had some kind of meeting or restrictions placed by Harbaugh, and decided to move on. Not sure what was up with Ferns. And with Hayes, I can understand the decision. But there was some scuttlebutt about several players who were expected to move on. Is there a time frame for that to be announced? This has a significant impact on how many recruits can be signed next week.
|2 days 8 hours ago||Would like a Wolverine Video||
So, I would love to see a stylized wolverine in a promo video for Michigan athletics. I've thought of this for years when seeing the Alaska Nanooks 2010 College Hockey video. It is gloriously cheesy. The trick is to pull off something that is over the top but not embarassing. Here's what they did:
|2 days 8 hours ago||You must really care for the retro one||
You must really care for the retro one, with making a triplicate post.
|2 days 10 hours ago||Thanks for posting||
Thanks for posting. It sounds like the Sammies are really trying to do the right thing. It also sounds like the fraternity in general has done a great job, between their academic success, their philanthropy, and their involvement in the Greek community.
My guess is that they are going to do their best to identify those responsible for the vandalism, and hold them accountable. Perhaps they will be suspended from attending Michigan for a year or two or three, after which they can return and complete their education.
There was a fascinating article in the Washington Post about a student at Cornell. Keri Blakinger was apprehended with 50k in heroin in 2010. She was suspended indefinitely, banned from campus, and did jail time. Eventually, she reapplied, was readmitted, and was able to complete her education at Cornell. In her case, she was punished and was given a second chance. That seems like it could be appropriate for some here too.
|2 days 10 hours ago||Been pers. involved in admin of discipline in ed setting||
I have been personally involved in the administration of disciplinary actrion in a higher educational setting elsewhere. Sometimes, a student can be suspended from their school for a period of time. This theoretically gives them the opportunity to reflect on their poor choices. They can choose to never return, and to transfer elsewhere (assuming they can find a school that will accept them.) They also can choose to reapply and to come back to finish their degree several years later. While a few years seems like an eternity to an 18 year old, it really doesn't matter that much in the big picture. And it is the needed wakeup call to what life is really like for many.
There was a fascinating and informative article in last week's Washington Post. Keri Blakinger was a former competitive figure skater on a national level who attended Cornell. Cornell suspended Blakinger indefinitely after she was apprehended with more than 50k of heroin. In her case, she served prison time and worked on the outside before reapplying to Cornell. She graduated from Cornell last month. This was a 4 year delay, but she was fortunate to get a second chance. In other words, even with difficult punishment, you can move on in a healthy way. The shame is that we live at a time and in a culture when there are too few painful circumstances.
I myself was kicked out of UofM for poor grades, largely self-inflicted. It was painful, and hard work, but I eventually was able to continue at UofM and graduated, albeit delayed a few years. I wouldn't trade that part of my education for anything.
|2 days 10 hours ago||Ageusia||
You taught me a new word today. Thank you!
|2 days 20 hours ago||Curious who the master chief and officers are||
What are Navy guys doing in dress uniform at the game? And whoever they are, they're high enough up to be somebody . . . there are fewer master chiefs than captains in the Navy . . . less than 1% of the enlisted Navy makes it that far.
(can't help but be curious, with my daughter in the Navy and currently underway.)
|2 days 21 hours ago||Maybe we should quit playing the blame game||
Maybe we should quit playing the blame game and move forward. I find it interesting that Harbaugh praised Hoke, and didn't work to throw DB under the bus either. Those of you who have been involved in hiring and firing and changing direction know that while it's important to learn from the past, it also doesn't usually do much good to bitterly complain and whine about past mistakes. You learn and you move on.
|3 days 52 min ago||Dymonte Thomas||
I feel crummy for Thomas. This is why it screws up everything to play guys early who should be getting a red shirt. And Thomas isn't the only one who lost out this way. We have been so thin at some positions that both RR and Hoke put several guys on the field before they were ready, and they were shell shocked, and kind of ruined.
You can blame Hoke for plenty of things, but recruiting isn't one of them. Harbaugh is coming in with a fair amount of guys here who should be able to perform well, provided that these players can be "developed." In hindsight, the small recruiting class this year is an awesome thing: Harbaugh doesn't get much time, but can you imagine the pain if we were trying to fill 25 - 28 spots on the roster? It would be much, much worse.
I half wonder if Thomas should take a redshirt this year. It isn't a good idea, but the whole thing is just crummy.
One other thing. WHITHER. Not WITHER. Spell check is not your friend sometimes. This is one of them.
|3 days 1 hour ago||She's the Brain in the family?||
The Brain cooks for the Brian? Pretty cool.
|3 days 1 hour ago||No, that was SAM||
I can't remember offhand what fraternity it was, but I'm sure that wasn't SAM. In a way, I guess it would have made sense, because the building next door is the Chabad house. My understanding is that Chabad is a kind of Jewish community center serving the Jewish community with different classes, lectures, workshops, etc.
Anyway, that was a nice fraternity house, and it was too bad it burned down.
|3 days 4 hours ago||I thought you were exaggerating||
I thought you were exaggerating. I thought there was no way this could get to 250 responses. I didn't count on Peter Klima, and now, I think you may be right: 250 posts. Wow.
|3 days 4 hours ago||I'm laughing||
I don't know why, but your post made me laugh out loud. Perhaps having twin 13 year olds leads to me often feeling "somehow compelled to convince them they're being idiots." Imhe, this rarely works. But I often get sucked in as well, so I feel your pain.
|3 days 5 hours ago||Yeah, not an endorsement of the Freep||
Yeah, not an endorsement of the Freep. Having said that, give credit where credit is due. At least something that should be basic and assumed is done correctly. I smirk internally every time I see typos, spelling errors, etc. in MSM. We all do it, but it just is embarassing. Maybe the Freep got it right because this isn't part of their sports coverage? Who knows.
|3 days 7 hours ago||Thanks!||
So, as a former Sammie, what communication has been put out to alums? Have they explained this in more detail to you? What is the house planning to do with those directly involved? What punishment is on the table? What force do alums like yourself have in the matter? And was SDT just along for the ride (what I'd assume,) or were they actually involved too? I didn't realize until it was mentioned in one of the accounts that SDT was a sorority with "Jewish heritage," whatever that means. Is there specific damage control from SAM & SDT given their heritage?
|3 days 7 hours ago||Real news on Greece & Greeks||
There is a paywalled article in yesterday's Chicago Tribune about Greece and the European Union. Apparently, they want to restructure the terms of their bailout, and stop living in austerity. They could be moving toward pulling out of the EU and the use of the Euro. Fascinating, and ultimately much more important than anything happening with fraternities and sororities.
|3 days 8 hours ago||Thanks||
Thanks. +1 to you! I'll see what he said. I haven't been there in ages. Sometime in the Fall, I just stopped linking to Michigan Monday. It was too painful, and I basically dropped off the board altogether for several months.
|3 days 8 hours ago||Well written and informative||
This was well written and informative. Thanks for your comments.
"I would argue that in a Fraternity, like a team, you are always representative of the name on the front moreso than the name on the back. We choose who we decide to initiate into our Fraternity, thus we have vouched for their character." This is a key statement, and it goes several levels deep.
The entire Greek system shouldn't be judged. I was in a fraternity myself. But the entire Greek system needs to censure, hold accountable, and potentially expel those who fail to abide by agreed upon standards of behavior.
|3 days 8 hours ago||Fanning the flames?||
Fanning the flames? Hardly. I put up what happened, the link, and a short block quote. No editorializing on my part: pretty much, just the facts.
The reality is that this is wrong, it is off season, and it is of interest. What is so hard for you to get about that? If you're not interested, why do you continue to click on this post and put so many comments in the thread? You know, honestly, PeterKlima, your comments do more to fan the anti-Greek flames than anything else.
FTR, I'd much rather read a Hello post regarding Clark or Marshall or Weber or Pickard or Roquan Smith. But on the recruiting front, only so much is happening, and there isn't a lot of other hot news I see out there.
|3 days 8 hours ago||Sammies website edited||
I don't know when, but the Sammie website at UofM has been changed. They took down all the pics and the "We are on a Roll!!" stuff, and have a somewhat contrite message:
We are embarrassed and ashamed of the behavior of a few of our chapter members at Treetops Resort over the weekend of January 17-18. This behavior is inconsistent with the values, policies, and practices of this organization. Our chapter accepts full responsibility for this incident and we will be working with the management of the resort to pay for all damages and cleaning costs. We will work within our own organization and with university officials to hold those who are responsible accountable for their actions.
This is consistent with the statement from their prior (president?) Joshua Kaplan. The question I have is, what constitutes "a few?" That is more than one, more than a couple, but about how many? If there were 60 guys, and 60 girls, "a few" would seem to be 3, maybe 4 or 5 guys. Out of 120 people there. Which raises even more questions. What was up with the other 110 - 115 people who weren't destroying stuff? Or, does "a few" mean more like 10, 20 guys? Too many questions yet unanswered.
If I was in any of those fraternities or sororities, I would really be happy if I stayed behind in AA or went home for the weekend.
|3 days 8 hours ago||Breathless?||
Breathless? Not hardly, Spicy Wiener. Just happened to notice it in the paper, and knew it was of interest to some on the board and those who follow the University from afar. Properly noted as "OT." I will say, I was curious what would happen. And if you read the article, it sounds like UofM isn't done investigating, and there may well be more repercussions down the road.
Just curious: are you a current student, and are you in a fraternity? It seems that some in that category want to downplay the incident. Kind of in denial. It is indeed a black eye for the university, and is just flat out wrong.
I was in a fraternity myself at UofM. There was plenty of drunkenness, drugs, and debauchery. I was involved in stupid fraternity pranks, some involving one of the suspended houses, and cattle crossing signs. Sometimes it was a wretched hive of scum and villainy. But man, we never did that kind of damage and had that kind of disrespect for a ski resort or hotel. I'm embarassed and angry.
The other thing: with the suspension of the sororities, this tells me that they are going to come down not just on those who are actively destroying property. They're also coming after those who are complicit by their silence, i.e., simply ALLOWING destruction to happen.
|3 days 9 hours ago||Freep gets it right this time||
The Freep actually got it right this time. In their article, it reads:
Sigma Delta Tau sorority, Pi Kappa Alpha fraternity, Alpha Phi sorority, Chi Psi fraternity and the Delta Gamma sorority were also suspended after being accused of causing more than $50,000 in damage at the Treetops Resort and condominiums at Boyne Highlands near Harbor Springs.
Not saying the Freep is good or exonerated, just noting that they got it right.