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- Live out of town.
- Don't have the money. Or rather, don't want to spend the money.
- Don't have the schedule that would allow me to go.
- Don't mind watching some games live, but not all.
- Am already going to all my son's high school games.
- HD TV.
- Comfortable couch.
- If it is a non-marquee game, the ability to start the game an hour or two in, skip all the commercials, and have the game end live.
- Replays and closeups. If you miss a play, you can back up and watch it again. If there was a great play, you can watch it again. If there was a contested fumble or interception, or hit to the head, you can watch it again.
- The ability for my dear wife to watch part of the game, but not have to pay attention to all of it. She isn't enough of a fan to want to go to AA, but she is enough of a fan to want to kind of watch the game, especially if it is a good game.
- Food costs. Better food, way cheaper, no lines.
- Beverage costs. Better drinks, way cheaper, no lines.
- Washroom right there. Clean and private and no lines.
- Travel time. None, vs. the drive from Chicago there, and the drive back.
- I don't care. As long as we beat MSU and OSU, I don't care if they lose or win all their other games.
- I want their record to be such that it increases our odds of winning. So, I want them to have won a bunch, so they don't do everything to just beat us. Sometimes a team that has lost a fair amount is pretty dangerous. I wonder if they have a perfect record whether that puts more pressure on them so they choke, or more pressure on them so they play to win? I also don't want them to win out until the game before us. I think that OSU was sleepwalking last year, and the loss to MSU really changed their MO and made them angry and ready to take it out on Michigan. Better for them to be complacent.
- OTOH, I would love for us to give them each their most significant loss.
- Details MSU: I'd like for them to lose 1 - 2 games, to ND, Wisconsin, NW, prior to us, and lose to OSU after us.
- Details OSU: I'd like for them to lose to OK and either IN or NE.
- NT Jay Tufele out of Utah
- LB Baron Browning, out of Texas
- CB Darnay Holmes, out of California
- CB Ambry Thomas, out of Michigan (Michigan is leader)
- OT Isaiah Wilson, out of NY
- Obviously, you may need to use a trick play to win an earlier game in the season. Hopefully not.
- From my understanding, the defensive coaches watch film, and tell guys, "when you see this (odd formation), it could be a TRICK PLAY. So watch out, and don't fall into the trap." That being the case, a really crafty coach would use multiple "trick plays" earlier in the season to make it harder for the defense to know what really is coming. And I'm guessing you might tell the QB, "If you see the defense do THIS, counter with this super sneaky trick play that they aren't ready for, 'cause they've never seen it before."
- Obviously, Harbaugh wanted to beat his brother John and the Ravens in the Super Bowl. But as badly as Jim wanted to win, he doesn't hate his brother.
- Bo always wanted to beat OSU and Woody. But at the end of the day, Bo and Woody were friends, and respected each other.
- The kind of football team . . . where are they ranked? What do you see happening? It would be hard to go to a lesser school. However,
- Academics. I'd rather be at Stanford or an Ivy League school or Texas or Michigan than a school with subpar academics. (Alabama, Florida State, LSU).
- Distance from family. This isn't absolutely critical, but there is something to be said for being within several hours drive of home. DPJ, Hudson, are guys this would matter for.
- Program. Some schools just don't have the major you are interested in. If you wanted a particular kind of engineering, it would be hard to go somewhere that didn't have it.
- Scheme and your skill set. I could see a pro-style QB coming to Michigan. It makes less sense if you are a spread QB. You want to go somewhere that fits your strengths.
- Depth chart. Again, this is minor, especially for a 5 star guy. But playing time is sometimes an issue.
- Friends and fellow recruits. Sometimes you want to go to a place where you're going to be playing with guys you actually like.
- Support system. The network to help you succeed and do well is also pretty important.
- Home or away?
- Is cost an issue?
- Who is paying?
- Regular Season or post-season?
- Time of game.
|3 hours 36 min ago||I didn't know||
I didn't know about this, but then, I'm old and clueless and out of the loop. My teenagers always say I'm the last to know anything.
|20 hours 55 min ago||Defer to Harbaugh||
There's a reason Harbaugh is the coach. I'd defer to him and to Drevno and Brown. There are many good suggestions out there. Lewan, Gardner, Jake Ryan are all guys that would be good. I guess I think we are pretty good at QB, believe it or not, but thinner still on the OL, and especially thin at LB, so flip a coin between Ryan and Lewan?
|1 day 33 min ago||Depends||
It depends. Possibly Beaumont could have been a seaman. I just watched some clips from "Hunt for Red October." The guy called "Jones" was a petty officer 2nd class. But I'd have to watch the movie to see if "Seaman Beaumont" was actually a "seaman" or something else.
You'd have to ask someone who has been active in the Navy. However, in my limited experience on board a ship, you would be most likely to hear "shipmate." You might hear "sailor." You might just hear the name, so an officer would call to me, "Kass."
There are a bunch of sailors who never make it through boot camp. When they get through, and are no longer a "recruit" but a "sailor" or "seaman," they're pretty happy.
|1 day 1 hour ago||Will never buy season tickets||
I will never buy season tickets.
Once you total up ticket costs, food costs, gasoline costs, possibly hotel costs, ancillary costs, it isn't cheap. One game on the cheap could be several hundred bucks. A marquee game? Fuggetaboutit.
I don't prefer watching at home. However, at home you have:
|1 day 2 hours ago||Multiple thoughts||
I have multiple thoughts on this question.
|1 day 3 hours ago||Interesting||
It just so happens that my daughter is an ACNT FC3 & 2M Tech on the DDG87. (Aegis Computer Network Technician, Fire Controlman 3rd class Petty Officer, Minature and Microminature Electronics Module Test and Repair, USS Destroyer Mason, DDG87). "Seaman" is a title for a recruit who just got out of boot camp, classed E-3 paygrade. On a sub, there would be very few, if any, seamen. And a seaman would be be at such a low level that they would be very unlikely to be a source of useful information. I'm sure there are some former submarine guys on the board who can verify or dispute what I just said.
|2 days 19 min ago||Pulling your chain||
LSAClassof2000, just pulling your chain. Reality is that points don't matter a bit anyway. Although, I suppose you could spot him 500 or so points as a show of good will.
|2 days 39 min ago||Feel sorry for you||
I feel sorry for you. There was almost nothing to show that there was an earlier post, which was deleted by the moderators. That's not your fault. There is a very obscure one line link at the end of the front page recruiting thread, but no one can be expected to figure that out.
The mods really should have edited the title and locked the original thread if they had such a problem with the earlier post. OSU is our greatest rival. As such, a post about their signing 2 5-star guys is definitely relevant. Maybe the mods are abusing their power? Who knows . . . I may be on my way to Bolivia shortly.
|2 days 2 hours ago||Best of Luck||
If Taylor wants to open up his recruitment, he should. Better to be sure. I have heard from some Ohio State fans that Urban has the luxury of slow playing Ohio guys. While Taylor is opening things up, I fully expect Honingford (out of Sugarcreek, OH) and Hudson (out of Toledo, OH) to keep their commitments. Being that they are in the 2017 class, plus OSU doesn't have room for them, that's what will happen.
While we can't count on commitments from Ohio sticking that far in advance, it is obvious that you have to identify potential recruits far, far in advance, and get "offers" out to them early. You can see that Harbaugh has greatly increased the staff for recruiting. Building relationships with players early in their high school careers is a great thing to do. While it probably won't result in Taylor coming to Michigan, this kind of early recruiting will pay off in coming years.
|2 days 6 hours ago||Strengthens Michigan's position with other recruits||
The good news for Michigan is that OSU is extremely limited in remaining spots available. So far, they have 18 commitments for 2017. It isn't clear exactly how many more places they have. However, it is very few, and they won't be able to accept hardly any more.
With regards to wide receivers, I don't think there is room at OSU for DPJ. It becomes slightly more likely Peoples-Jones commits to Michigan. Of course, we also want 5 star WR Nico Collins and recent WR offer Oliver Martin.
Michigan and OSU both have lots of "offers" still out there. Here are the ones I see both schools potentially still wanting:
As I said, there are other guys out there with "offers" from both schools. But I think both Michigan and OSU would immediately take any of these 5 guys who wanted to commit. Michigan definitely has room for all of them. OSU doesn't. OSU either will need to cut guys currently on their team, or cut down the list of guys who are a "take." I can't predict at all where they will finally end up. However, if Michigan gets commitments from a number of these recruits, it would go a long way towards narrowing the gap between OSU and UofM. According to the recruiting overview, Michigan is in the top group for Tufele, Browning, Holmes, and Wilson.
EDIT: I didn't bother including Okudah, because Michigan isn't on his radar. Nor Najee Harris, because I am not sure OSU wants him, or that they are on his radar. I'm guessing both would be a take either school. But I was looking more at guys we are recruiting head to head for. I definitely want to see Michigan win more of those head to head recruiting battles.
|1 week 1 day ago||Yep||
Of course we'll see trick plays. But you really only get to use them once (In terms of a trick play being a surprise). Given the level of the competition, I hope we don't see the best trick plays until OSU. There are two caveats.
That's pretty convoluted. Short answer: Yep, trick plays.
|1 week 1 day ago||Nope||
Nope, hadn't seen that. Have a link?
|1 week 2 days ago||Waiting to hear more on OL||
I'm waiting to hear more on the OL. Read the note that Dawson is playing with the #1's. Trying to figure out why Freshman Onwenu playing DT stopped the RB dead in his tracks, and shedded the OG totally in the process. (see clip on Onwenu above in the thread).
|1 week 3 days ago||Happy and mad||
Happy for Onwenu. Who is that pulling OL guy who just crumples down? It was like he was nothing. It will be a long year for our running backs if that's what we can expect.
|1 week 5 days ago||Several||
OSU, Stanford, TX, ND.
I think Meyer is an excellent coach, and OSU has a great program with a not bad school (up a lot since I was a student).
Please understand: respecting a school doesn't mean in the least that I don't want to beat them, and beat them badly. OSU is our rival, and I want to beat them more than any other school. But even though I don't like them, and want to see Michigan beat them like a drum, I still respect them, as a place that balances football with a good academic environment.
ND and Stanford and TX are all teams with history, along with very good academics. Stanford and TX just aren't natural rivals. Oh, and I am firmly in the camp of wanting to play ND.
|1 week 6 days ago||You are a bad person||
|1 week 6 days ago||Interesting||
"We'd rather spend money on ourselves to take vacations and buy what we want."
This is one statement where a sarcasm meter completely fails me. You could be completely seriously. And you could be over the top sarcastic. Without knowing you, or hearing your tone, it is impossible to tell.
If you are being sarcastic, well, ok.
If you are being serious, I support you. That is to say, I'll agree that some people shouldn't have kids. They are a serious investment. I personally wouldn't trade them for anything. I have loved experiencing so many things with kids. There's nothing like the awe of taking your kids to do something that blows their mind. They are happy you're spending money on them. And you secretly are delighted to have them with you enjoying themselves, and would find it much more boring to only have the two of you or one of you.
|1 week 6 days ago||Navy, scholarships||
College costs are brutal. Our oldest daughter is in the Navy, as an Aegis computer network technician on a Destroyer (currently in the Persian Gulf area). The GI bill is giving her more than $150k towards college costs, plus living costs while enrolled. She is considering reenlisting: she'll get a $50k + reenlistment bonus, and is able to knock out as many gen ed classes as she can on the Navy's dime while she's enlisted. That's above and beyond the GI Bill. Her goal is to get an environmental engineering degree, finish college debt free, and have enough for a down payment on a house with her reenlistment bonus. (Unfortunately, Michigan doesn't have an environmental engineering degree program, at least now).
We also have twin adopted children in high school. Because their mother was on crack, and they came through the foster care system, there are special scholarships available to them. With good grades, they will qualify for a full ride (tuition, dorm, books, fees, medical costs) at any Illinois public college or university where they're admitted. Our daughter is planning to go to the University of Illinois for pre-law. Our son needs to get his act together.
The reality is that they will not have the opportunities I had. I was able to make enough between grants, scholarships, and summer work to pay for room, board, tuition, books, fees, at Michigan. Those days ended a long, long time ago. The other reality is that it appears all 3 of our kids will have college paid for without my contributing any money to the cost. I'm not complaining. I sure can't afford to pay for college on my salary.
I just finished reading a very good book entitled Hillbilly Elegy. The author, J.D. Vance, makes a fascinating point. If you are a good student, it actually is more affordable to go to a top of the line school than a State school. Places like Yale, Harvard, Princeton, Stanford, Northwestern, and the University of Chicago have huge endowments and scholarships for low income families. If your income is low enough (under $50k?), and you are admitted to a prestige school, chances are, most of your costs might be paid for, much more than the scholarships offered by a state school.
|1 week 6 days ago||Harbaugh likes and respects Meyer||
In the ESPN interview earlier this week, Harbaugh mentioned that he liked Meyer, and respected both Meyer and Dantonio. I'm sure that Harbaugh wants nothing more than to beat them. But that isn't mutually exclusive with likeing them.
I definitely, badly, want to see Michigan beat OSU. But I think some of the Hatred stuff is a bit overplayed. Hate obnoxious fans. Hate losing. But don't hate OSU.
|2 weeks 37 min ago||Many factors||
I know that some of the recruits and their families have put together a list of things to consider. Many of them are kind of obvious, but here are a few off the top of my head.
|2 weeks 2 hours ago||Too many variables||
There are several variables:
If I am paying, cost is an issue. For that reason, I would go with games 2 or 3, possibly 4 or 5. Should be able to get tickets at a reasonable enough price, and get home to Chicago by Saturday night. The issue becomes which game can I buy tickets for at a reasonable price.
If you're paying, then I'd choose to go to OSU or post-season. The way you posed the question (one Michigan game), the implication is that Michigan is playing. That being the case, the only choice is the National Championship Game. Because if they are playing in the NC, that means they already beat MSU, OSU, the Big 10 Championship, and the Semi-Final games.
|2 weeks 1 day ago||Sure the mods can help you||
I'm sure the mods can help you put up a different avatar. IIRC, they have helped out a few users with a pretty pink sparkly unicorn avatar. Or something like that.
|2 weeks 1 day ago||None of it matters||
I am not ecstatic about Jordan/Nike.
This is among many things (Game of Thrones, sandwich places in Ann Arbor, Detroit Tigers) that don't matter at all to me, but about which others are very passionate.
|3 weeks 1 day ago||Personally don't care either way||
I personally don't care either way (on the font change with the 4 or the 2). I don't get too exercised about the uniforms. But the way Angelique's article read, I suspect that this is true. Not like Hackett to tell a half truth. And regardless, I love the story of Willis Ward and how Gerald Ford and UofM students responded to the racism so many years ago.
Oh, and I'm excited this year about the prospect of beating MSU and OSU. Michigan could wear the ugliest uniforms known to mankind: if they beat those two teams, I wouldn't care.
|3 weeks 3 days ago||You know you can edit OP||
You may not realize it, but you can edit the OP (unlike replies in the comment thread). So you can actually fix this.
|3 weeks 6 days ago||Agree with pumping brakes||
I agree with pumping the brakes. Personally, I would have UM, MSU and OSU tied. There are way too many unknowns for me. I don't know how all of the new guys on the field for OSU will do. I don't know about MSU's defense, and even moreso, it's offense. And I don't know about just how good Michigan's QB play will be, and how their OL will be. Sometimes, you have a clear sense of the character and level of a team. This year, I don't.
|4 weeks 20 min ago||Love the shirt||
I love this shirt. Would wear it in a heartbeat. Classic M, like the colors, what's not to like? And yeah, I view the Jordan thing as a logo, like the Nike Swoosh or the Adidas stripes. I'd be completely fine without it, but can definitely live with it.
I never minded the highlighter yellow, but this color definitely brings back memories of shirts when I was a student.
|4 weeks 7 hours ago||Usually New Balance||
For sports, I usually wear New Balance shoes. They are comfortable, have good cushioning and support, the price is ok, and I like to support a company that still makes shoes in the USA.
I happen to have a pair of maize and blue Croc flip flops with the old style "M" (with the logo) because they were in the sale bin at TJ Maxx. Couldn't beat $6 for a pair of new Crocs. Only pair I own.
Most of my shoes are pretty boring and comfortable . . . Florsheim Oxfords, Bass Weejuns Penny Loafers, Sperry Topsiders, Bass Bucks. I need a pair of Clark Wallabees.
|4 weeks 7 hours ago||Wore them this morning||
I wore athletic shoes this morning. Went out and rode about 12 miles on the trails for almost an hour. My issue isn't really the shoes. My issue is paying inflated prices for shoes that may or may not be good. I have nothing against Nike, and have owned a number of Nike shoes. But from what I've understood, the whole purpose of Jordan is marketing. The goal is to create a "must have" shoe, because people will pay lots of extra money to have that label. Back in the day, people paid extra money to have a little izod alligator embroidered on their shirt. Some pay extra for a polo horse logo. I'd say, buy the best quality product you can at the best price you can, regardless of the label.
The quality and fit and comfort of Nike vs. New Balance vs. Reebock vs. Adidas is one issue. Price is another. Some shoes fit some feet better than others.
One last issue for me has to do with wages and labor and buying American. I have owned cars made in Korea and Japan, and apparel from all over. But part of me likes supporting American made goods when possible. When the wage to make shoes are $1.50 an hour in Vietnam and Malaysia, that's not a level playing field, imhe. So if the price is about the same, and the quality the same, I'm more likely to buy New Balance, since they are the only athletic shoe manufacturer to still make shoes in the USA.
|4 weeks 19 hours ago||'cause you're a lemming with more money than brains?||
'cause you're a lemming with more money than brains? Or someone gave you the shoes as a gift? I can't think of why else you, as an adult, would ever wear those shoes. Or pay ridiculous amounts of money to have them.