no, YOU'RE off topic
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- Learn to spell.
- Use proper grammar.
- Avoid run on sentences that continue for a long time (sometimes with parentheses) and often go to various topics which are addressing in some way the point (or points) you would like to make but don't string together in a readable and coherent manner.
- Use of large words doesn't make something read well.
- Quiet arrogance: learn this concept.
- Avoiding putdowns of others: learn this concept.
- Academic and athletic excellence often coexist. For example, Cal-Berkeley, Stanford, UCLA, USC, ND, are all rated higher than Michigan academically, and have decent football teams. Northwestern, Duke, Vanderbilt, Virginia, and Wake forest are all behind us athletically, but not academically. Texas, Wisconsin, Illinois, Penn State, Boston College, Florida, Miami, and (gasp) Ohio State are slightly behind Michigan academically, but the difference isn't huge.
- As noted above by a Michigan fan and MSU graduate, you really have to consider each school for a particular program. For agriculture, you can't go to Michigan. Same with Veterinary science. For certain engineering programs, you'd be better off at Univ. of Illinois.
- You haven't really noted cost as a factor either. Living out of Michigan, UofM simply isn't a realistic option for my own kids. They will get much more bang for their buck going to Illinois.
- You haven't really considered how geographical considerations (i.e., distance from home) sometimes plays into the decision made.
- I felt bad for Mitch McGary (and for Michigan) when he was punished by the NCAA for smoking weed last year.
- I actually felt bad for Frank Clark, when for whatever reason, he lost his temper and struck his girlfriend last November.
- I feel bad for all the fraternity and sorority members dealing with suspension, and possible expulsions from UofM.
- You're a fan. Your worrying won't do any good or bad. Your being satisfied with recruiting won't do any good or bad. Doing nothing won't affect things at all.
- As noted above, there is one guy who we've really dropped out for. There are plenty of others we haven't.
- I don't have the comparative stats in front of me. However, me thinks very few schools lost four starters and one solid bench rotation guy. (Stauskas, McGary, Robinson, Morgan, and Horford.) That's 3 guys in the NBA, one in Europe, one in D1 hoops elsewhere.
- Given who we have now, plus Robinson being eligible, plus Wilson being healthy, we should be just fine. And if we keep Max, we'll only have one spot.
- Speaking of one spot, all it takes is one. Add Jaylon Brown, and we couldn't ask for more.
- Where does he want to go?
- What program is he interested in studying?
- Where does his family live?
- We're responsible first of all for those in our own organization. It seems that Sigma Alpha Mu brothers who were present at Treetops had the greatest responsibility to rein in brothers who were destroying property.
- We're responsible secondly for (implicitly) condoning the actions of those whom we associate with. This is, I suspect, the reason the sororities have been suspended. You can't be along for the ride without some blame coming your way.
- We're responsible for the greater association. This is why all Greeks have a bit of a black eye. There are benefits to being part of the panhellenic association. This is one of the costs.
- We're responsible to the University. As students at UofM, the destructive actions reflect on the University, so UofM has a bit of a black eye. This is the reason why we mock Ohio State and Michigan State. When OSU fans poop in coolers and MSU fans burn couches, it reflects on their entire university, even though very few students do either. We can't have it both ways: if we mock other schools for the actions of a very few, we have to see that our own University is open to criticism as well.
|6 hours 28 min ago||You're right||
You're right: I probably do have an overdeveloped sense of empathy. It is what it is.
McGary, here's the deal. If the rules are made clear, and the punishment clear, you're getting what you deserve. Maybe the rules should be changed, but that's a different story.
Clark, I don't want to go too far with. I'll just say, he has had a really, really hard life, with really bad role models. No justification, of course he deserved to be quickly released, and he was. I still feel crummy (overdeveloped sense at work there,) because of his life circumstances.
We can agree to disagree, no hard feelings here.
|11 hours 46 min ago||Don't like your post for many reason||
I don't like this post for many reasons, most of which are enumerated above. Some that come to mind:
|12 hours 26 min ago||Let me use several examples||
Let me use examples when I have felt "bad."
In all three cases, the punishment is justfiable. In all three cases, they are getting what they deserved. In all three cases, they should have known better. And yet, I don't rejoice in their bad choices. Maybe, because I have made bad choices, I feel bad for those who do the same thing. Maybe, because I have three children who sometimes make bad choices, I feel bad for others who do the same thing.
For me, I rarely take joy or feel happy when someone screws up. And while I ALWAYS want Michigan to win, do I want them to win mostly because of the bad choices of others? Not really.
I don't feel that there should be no repercussions for bad choices. But I feel bad at the bad choices themselves, and the collateral damage for others affected, in this case, the coach and team.
EDIT: On a completely snarky level, it is bad form to publicly rejoice at the misfortunes of others by which you receive benefit. There was a thread here several weeks ago on Izzo, and his candor on this same topic (skewering him for being honest that he was happy when it was easier for MSU to win.)
|2 days 5 hours ago||Loved article||
I loved the article. I came from regular folk, although not first gen. I live in a community that largely does not go to college. I have learned a lot of hard lessons about elitism over the last 20 years. This article definitely raises those issues. Thank you.
|2 days 13 hours ago||Several things||
The team is in great hands. I wouldn't be too worried.
|3 days 2 hours ago||facepalm||
I'm an idiot. Good night.
|3 days 3 hours ago||Spanky reminds you of RR?||
Spanky reminds you of RR? No, I think your avatar reminds you of RR. Which raises the question: why do you keep an avatar of RR? It seems like a masochistic self-flagellation to keep an avatar of RR. There are things I block out of my memory. Like RR's tenure. To see a picture of him every time I post seems like a painful exercise.
|3 days 3 hours ago||as you wish||
|3 days 4 hours ago||18 commits?||
18 commits? I'm not sure . . . I think one or two less is more realistic, given the numbers. To get to 18 some serious stuff has got to happen, just to make room.
|3 days 4 hours ago||Football Saturdays my Freshman Year||
I'll never forget my first football Saturday as a Freshman in '77. I didn't grow up in Michigan, and had never been to a college game. I was the first person from my family to go to Michigan. Back then, all games were a noon start time. Promptly at 9am, blasting from the room next door from one of those massive stereo systems some guys had, came the full Michigan fight song, fanfare and all. It was, as they say, cranked to "eleven." This was right near the end of the Ten Year War and the classic games with Woody and Bo. As a clueless freshman, I didn't realize how good we had it. Bo Schembechler and a 10-2 season were a given. I woke up the same way every game day, and it never got old. Walking in the throngs down Hoover on a sunny Fall day, enjoying cider, seeing the blue haze of pot smoke floating languidly over the student section, seeing hundreds of coeds passed up the stands every time there was a score. It all melts together in my memory, and is a good thing.
|3 days 9 hours ago||Multiple issues & answers||
You really haven't given enough info.
I've spent time on all the campuses, and there are positives to all of them. In many ways, I don't think you can go wrong. I'd really want him to go to all three campuses, and spend time looking at the program (or programs) he is interested in. You can actually meet profs in that area, and get a feel for the strength of each program.
|3 days 15 hours ago||Question on Coach/Player interaction right now||
So, I'm curious about coach / player interaction right now. Are there any regulations on what the players can start to do as they adjust to the new staff? I can imagine that they would want to get going on strength training immediately. But I can also imagine them wanting to learn the playbook, and to do everything they can to get ready for Spring practice. Especially as some of the schemes and plays change, it would make sense that the current team would want to do everything they can to come up to speed.
A related but different question: how and when do players decide to leave the team? Obviously, Bosch had some kind of meeting or restrictions placed by Harbaugh, and decided to move on. Not sure what was up with Ferns. And with Hayes, I can understand the decision. But there was some scuttlebutt about several players who were expected to move on. Is there a time frame for that to be announced? This has a significant impact on how many recruits can be signed next week.
|3 days 16 hours ago||Would like a Wolverine Video||
So, I would love to see a stylized wolverine in a promo video for Michigan athletics. I've thought of this for years when seeing the Alaska Nanooks 2010 College Hockey video. It is gloriously cheesy. The trick is to pull off something that is over the top but not embarassing. Here's what they did:
|3 days 16 hours ago||You must really care for the retro one||
You must really care for the retro one, with making a triplicate post.
|3 days 18 hours ago||Thanks for posting||
Thanks for posting. It sounds like the Sammies are really trying to do the right thing. It also sounds like the fraternity in general has done a great job, between their academic success, their philanthropy, and their involvement in the Greek community.
My guess is that they are going to do their best to identify those responsible for the vandalism, and hold them accountable. Perhaps they will be suspended from attending Michigan for a year or two or three, after which they can return and complete their education.
There was a fascinating article in the Washington Post about a student at Cornell. Keri Blakinger was apprehended with 50k in heroin in 2010. She was suspended indefinitely, banned from campus, and did jail time. Eventually, she reapplied, was readmitted, and was able to complete her education at Cornell. In her case, she was punished and was given a second chance. That seems like it could be appropriate for some here too.
|3 days 18 hours ago||Been pers. involved in admin of discipline in ed setting||
I have been personally involved in the administration of disciplinary actrion in a higher educational setting elsewhere. Sometimes, a student can be suspended from their school for a period of time. This theoretically gives them the opportunity to reflect on their poor choices. They can choose to never return, and to transfer elsewhere (assuming they can find a school that will accept them.) They also can choose to reapply and to come back to finish their degree several years later. While a few years seems like an eternity to an 18 year old, it really doesn't matter that much in the big picture. And it is the needed wakeup call to what life is really like for many.
There was a fascinating and informative article in last week's Washington Post. Keri Blakinger was a former competitive figure skater on a national level who attended Cornell. Cornell suspended Blakinger indefinitely after she was apprehended with more than 50k of heroin. In her case, she served prison time and worked on the outside before reapplying to Cornell. She graduated from Cornell last month. This was a 4 year delay, but she was fortunate to get a second chance. In other words, even with difficult punishment, you can move on in a healthy way. The shame is that we live at a time and in a culture when there are too few painful circumstances.
I myself was kicked out of UofM for poor grades, largely self-inflicted. It was painful, and hard work, but I eventually was able to continue at UofM and graduated, albeit delayed a few years. I wouldn't trade that part of my education for anything.
|3 days 18 hours ago||Ageusia||
You taught me a new word today. Thank you!
|4 days 5 hours ago||Curious who the master chief and officers are||
What are Navy guys doing in dress uniform at the game? And whoever they are, they're high enough up to be somebody . . . there are fewer master chiefs than captains in the Navy . . . less than 1% of the enlisted Navy makes it that far.
(can't help but be curious, with my daughter in the Navy and currently underway.)
|4 days 5 hours ago||Maybe we should quit playing the blame game||
Maybe we should quit playing the blame game and move forward. I find it interesting that Harbaugh praised Hoke, and didn't work to throw DB under the bus either. Those of you who have been involved in hiring and firing and changing direction know that while it's important to learn from the past, it also doesn't usually do much good to bitterly complain and whine about past mistakes. You learn and you move on.
|4 days 9 hours ago||Dymonte Thomas||
I feel crummy for Thomas. This is why it screws up everything to play guys early who should be getting a red shirt. And Thomas isn't the only one who lost out this way. We have been so thin at some positions that both RR and Hoke put several guys on the field before they were ready, and they were shell shocked, and kind of ruined.
You can blame Hoke for plenty of things, but recruiting isn't one of them. Harbaugh is coming in with a fair amount of guys here who should be able to perform well, provided that these players can be "developed." In hindsight, the small recruiting class this year is an awesome thing: Harbaugh doesn't get much time, but can you imagine the pain if we were trying to fill 25 - 28 spots on the roster? It would be much, much worse.
I half wonder if Thomas should take a redshirt this year. It isn't a good idea, but the whole thing is just crummy.
One other thing. WHITHER. Not WITHER. Spell check is not your friend sometimes. This is one of them.
|4 days 9 hours ago||She's the Brain in the family?||
The Brain cooks for the Brian? Pretty cool.
|4 days 9 hours ago||No, that was SAM||
I can't remember offhand what fraternity it was, but I'm sure that wasn't SAM. In a way, I guess it would have made sense, because the building next door is the Chabad house. My understanding is that Chabad is a kind of Jewish community center serving the Jewish community with different classes, lectures, workshops, etc.
Anyway, that was a nice fraternity house, and it was too bad it burned down.
|4 days 12 hours ago||I thought you were exaggerating||
I thought you were exaggerating. I thought there was no way this could get to 250 responses. I didn't count on Peter Klima, and now, I think you may be right: 250 posts. Wow.
|4 days 12 hours ago||I'm laughing||
I don't know why, but your post made me laugh out loud. Perhaps having twin 13 year olds leads to me often feeling "somehow compelled to convince them they're being idiots." Imhe, this rarely works. But I often get sucked in as well, so I feel your pain.
|4 days 13 hours ago||Yeah, not an endorsement of the Freep||
Yeah, not an endorsement of the Freep. Having said that, give credit where credit is due. At least something that should be basic and assumed is done correctly. I smirk internally every time I see typos, spelling errors, etc. in MSM. We all do it, but it just is embarassing. Maybe the Freep got it right because this isn't part of their sports coverage? Who knows.
|4 days 15 hours ago||Thanks!||
So, as a former Sammie, what communication has been put out to alums? Have they explained this in more detail to you? What is the house planning to do with those directly involved? What punishment is on the table? What force do alums like yourself have in the matter? And was SDT just along for the ride (what I'd assume,) or were they actually involved too? I didn't realize until it was mentioned in one of the accounts that SDT was a sorority with "Jewish heritage," whatever that means. Is there specific damage control from SAM & SDT given their heritage?
|4 days 16 hours ago||Real news on Greece & Greeks||
There is a paywalled article in yesterday's Chicago Tribune about Greece and the European Union. Apparently, they want to restructure the terms of their bailout, and stop living in austerity. They could be moving toward pulling out of the EU and the use of the Euro. Fascinating, and ultimately much more important than anything happening with fraternities and sororities.
|4 days 16 hours ago||Thanks||
Thanks. +1 to you! I'll see what he said. I haven't been there in ages. Sometime in the Fall, I just stopped linking to Michigan Monday. It was too painful, and I basically dropped off the board altogether for several months.
|4 days 16 hours ago||Well written and informative||
This was well written and informative. Thanks for your comments.
"I would argue that in a Fraternity, like a team, you are always representative of the name on the front moreso than the name on the back. We choose who we decide to initiate into our Fraternity, thus we have vouched for their character." This is a key statement, and it goes several levels deep.
The entire Greek system shouldn't be judged. I was in a fraternity myself. But the entire Greek system needs to censure, hold accountable, and potentially expel those who fail to abide by agreed upon standards of behavior.
|4 days 16 hours ago||Fanning the flames?||
Fanning the flames? Hardly. I put up what happened, the link, and a short block quote. No editorializing on my part: pretty much, just the facts.
The reality is that this is wrong, it is off season, and it is of interest. What is so hard for you to get about that? If you're not interested, why do you continue to click on this post and put so many comments in the thread? You know, honestly, PeterKlima, your comments do more to fan the anti-Greek flames than anything else.
FTR, I'd much rather read a Hello post regarding Clark or Marshall or Weber or Pickard or Roquan Smith. But on the recruiting front, only so much is happening, and there isn't a lot of other hot news I see out there.