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- Michigan, like the Bears, was historically cheap. For too long, there was the "This is Michigan . . . people should be grateful to come here" nonsense. Michigan is now opening their pocketbook, because they have been forced to.
- Michigan, like the Bears, has had glory in the past. The Bears are one of the only two remaining original NFL franchises. They have more victories in the regular season and post season than any other team.The Bears have more players in the hall of fame than any other team. We all know Michigan's past glory. The point is, both teams have a fan base that wants a return to winning ways.
- Michigan, like the Bears, have not been good in the last 5 or so years. This makes things worse, and creates more pressure to "get it right."
- Michigan, like the Bears, is an attractive place to end up. Whoever brings Michigan (and the Bears) back to success can write their ticket. I could see a number of people finding both Ann Arbor and Chicago attractive.
- Bears fans have abandoned and turned on team. For this reason, tickets should be available, and cheap. Plus, the Sunday before Christmas there is more availability.
- The Lions should trounce Bears, and go to the playoffs.
- There's always plenty to do in the Chicago area.
- Regarding being a Lions fan. Well, the Lions have sucked for so long it doesn't hurt Bears fans that much. Packers would be a different story. Still, if you wore Michigan gear, and had the Harbaugh to Michigan poster, you wouldn't get too many complaints.
- We have really now had 7 years of being bad, not just 4.
- Ohio State has largely righted the ship with Urban Meyer.
- We (seem) to have a legitimate chance to get Jim Harbaugh.
- Michigan would be better with Horford. At least this year. However, Horford may not have ended the year ahead of Doyle. The other thing is, Horford is happier with a different offensive set, so this was good all around.
- I think it is doubtful Michigan would have been co-favorites with Wisconsin with Horford. McGary, now that's a different hypothetical. More painful, imhe.
- I really don't care much for hypotheticals. Horford is gone. What is, is. Sports, and life, is full of so many "what if's" and "if onlys." If only McGary was here. If only RR had had Casteel as defensive coordinator. If only Michigan had won a few more games, and Gardner hadn't been injured, nor Peppers, and Clark hadn't assaulted his girlfriend. Sometimes things don't work out.
- They get spanked by Wisconsin. Most likely scenario in my mind, end of discussion.
- They manage to beat Wisconsin, are left out of final four. Karma.
- They manage to beat Wisconsin, make it into final four, and are spanked by Alabama. Shuts up OSU a bit. Something like ND making it to the MNC a few years ago.
- There aren't a ton of true freshmen playing. (iirc, only five have seen the field: Mone, Canteen, Ways, Peppers, and Cole.) This is completely awesome, and a great sign of things to come. If you can generally give Freshman time to acclimate, to gain strength, to learn the playbook inside and out, it is a great thing.
- At the same time, I noticed that significant numbers of underclassmen were vying for PT, and pushing out guys that were older. Among others, Peppers, Mone, Butt, Cole and Lewis replaced or have passed by guys who were more experienced. As Michigan's recruiting gets even better, the Freshmen who see the field will be there not out of desperation, but because they deserve to be there and are a better job than those who are upperclassmen.
- 2014: 8 - 4.
- 2015: 9 - 3.
- 2016: 10 - 2.
- 2017: 11 - 1.
- 2018: 12 - 0.
- 2014: 9 - 3
- 2015: 11 - 1
- 2016: 11 - 1
- 2017: 12 - 0
- 2014: 10 - 2
- 2015: 11 - 1
- 2016: 12 - 0
- Hoke is not going to be fired. Michigan is returning almost everyone next year, and Hoke will be there to lead it.
- Ohio State is always the biggest game, then MSU, then any Big 10 game.
- And after conference games, bowl games. So the Sugar Bowl was the biggest.
- From a different perspective, the NEXT game is always the biggest game. So in that sense, sure, Utah is the biggest game.
|2 days 17 hours ago||Mood was very different||
So, I was a student in the late 70's and early 80's. From 1977 through 1983, my time in Ann Arbor, Michigan went 4 - 3 versus Ohio State. I didn't bother checking versus Michigan State, because we dominated them at that point in time.
In my time, Michigan and Ohio State were competitive with each other. I was there during Bo vs. Woody. It was a great rivalry. Yes, I wanted Michigan to win every game, but for the most point, there was parity between the Wolverines and Buckeyes. Either might be favored by a bit, but from year to year, they were largely equals. It was much more frustrating to lose trap games that Michigan should have won.
Of course, I have followed Michigan ever since, and have been to a couple Rose Bowls. The current state of affairs is unimaginable to me: Michigan has not really been that competitive with Ohio State for a while.
|3 days 9 hours ago||Another Bears fan, Michigan Alum, & Chicagoan Here||
So I'm another Chicagoan and Bears fan. This is an interesting dynamic. First of all, I want Harbaugh at Michigan, period.
Having said that, the Bears are at an interesting point. While they are historically cheap, there are some parallels with Michigan.
I have no clue what Harbaugh will do. I have no clue what the Bears ownership will do. But if the Bears Matriarch Virginia McCaskey decides to go all in, this could be a hard fight for Michigan to win. The thing is, I haven't seen that she wants to do that.
|3 days 12 hours ago||Some more . . .||
Go Tell in on the Mountain
Over the Hills and everywhere
Go tell it on the Mountain
Jim Harbaugh’s done come home
Good Michigan Men Rejoice
with heart and soul and voice
Give ye heed to what we say
Harbaugh’s coming home today.
Rivals bow before him now
And he is in the Big House now
Harbaugh’s home today
Harbaugh’s home today
We Wish You a Merry Harbaugh
We Wish You a Merry Harbaugh
We Wish You a Merry Harbaugh
and a Championship Here
Angels We Have Harbaugh Here
Come, Thou Long Expected Harbaugh
|3 days 16 hours ago||Happy Chanukkah||
Happy Chanukkah, for all who celebrate it. My sister and her husband are among the many who observe both Chanukkah and Christmas. They'll celebrate the next 8 days, then our family and others will be over for Christmas dinner on Christmas Day.
I'm curious: is Chanukkah much observed in Israel, or more in the US and the West as an antidote/alternative to Christmas?
I know that Passover, Rosh Hashana, and Yom Kippur (and maybe Sukkot) are much more important.
|3 days 16 hours ago||Live in Chicago area||
Yeah, I'd definitely go if I were you.
Have a great time, and enjoy the game.
|1 week 3 days ago||Thanks for posting||
I enjoyed this . . . thank you! FTR, I don't think anyone would consider "Jingle Bells" religious. And I think "Happy Holidays" encompasses everything from Hannukah to Kwaanza to Festivus to Christmas to Winter Solstice. The whole point is to be inclusive. Of course, some people will always get their feelings hurt no matter what you do.
The bigger point is to really look not to take offense, especially when none is intended. Some people are just too crabby and get their feelings hurt too easily.
|1 week 6 days ago||I think it was worse 4 yrs ago||
I think the climate on the board was worse 4 years ago. But this is pretty bad. I really try to limit my reading at mgoblog anymore, and I almost never go down the rabbit hole of many threads. It can eat you alive, both in terms of time and of poison.
There are several things that make it different this time around.
As much as I want Michigan to win, I have come to believe that the desire to win at all costs at ANY institution is toxic.
|1 week 6 days ago||I'm so sorry||
I'm so sorry to hear of your health challenges. I'll be praying for you, and also sending a small donation to MGoBlog.
My daughter has celiac disease, (which I realize is irrelevant to you.) The point is, it took more than long enough for her condition to be correctly diagnosed. The time waiting for that diagnosis was both painful and slow. I certainly hope they identify something that can be treated and dealt with by you, so that you can continue with your love of writing and your love of Michigan sports.
|2 weeks 2 days ago||Multiple answers||
Your answer can be addressed in several ways.
|2 weeks 4 days ago||What is the Impact on Recruiting?||
So, I haven't hardly followed recruiting in the last couple months, especially in the last month after things totally cratered. I'm curious about the impact on recruiting. I'm assuming that anyone who has stuck it out this far (in terms of commitment to Michigan) is committed to the University, not to anyone on the coaching staff, least of all Hoke. But I do have a couple questions:
First Is there anyone remaining committed to Michigan who would leave because the coaching staff was let go?
Second, in the event that someone like Harbaugh or Miles becomes our next coach, are there any decommitments who would recommit? Are there any commitments to other schools who would consider flipping to Michigan? I'd love to see Michigan move quickly, so that a new coaching staff is on board, and has the opportunity to gain some solid recruits in the month of January.
|2 weeks 4 days ago||Still don't have a phone||
They still don't have their own phones. We have a cell phone that we give to them when they have an outing or game or event where they need to call us. It isn't a "cool" phone, and it has very minimal minutes on it. They do more of the social connections with friends on their iPods. As it turns out, we're only a block or so away from the middle school, so they can walk home in less than 5 minutes, and aren't too dependent on us to be their chauffer. Oh, and they are close to the last kids in school not to have their own phone. We'll probably break down and get them one before High School starts in the Fall.
|2 weeks 4 days ago||Peace and happy children||
World peace might be too much to ask for. Board peace would definitely be too much to ask for. But I want my family to have more peace and harmony. I want my kids to be happy, at peace, and respectful (13 year old twins are a handful.) I also am really looking forward to having my 21 year old daughter and her husband home for Christmas from the Navy. The older I get, the less I need or even want.
|2 weeks 6 days ago||Honestly I don't care what OSU is ranked||
Honestly I don't care what OSU is ranked. All of the choices are good.
I don't think even the most delirious OSU fan could see them run the table and win out. For the sake of the Big 10, I would prefer that OSU get beat soundly by Wisconsin. It would reflect poorly on the Big 10 to make it and then be humiliated by a much better team.
|4 weeks 3 days ago||He never lost me||
Hoke never lost me. That doesn't mean I am going to argue for him, nor does it mean that I'll stop going to games when he is fired. But he never lost me, and I still think Hoke is a good coach. I'm almost at the point where I'd like to see the team win against Maryland, Ohio State, and the Bowl Game, and Hoke still get fired. That way, the majority of the fans who think he is the problem will be satisfied with blood. Many great recruits will jump ship. And we'll get to experience what a real tire fire is.
This post of mine is stupid, and invites a negative response. It reminds me of the reason why I need to just walk away from the blog altogether. I guess I just strongly dislike the presumption of the question, "when did Hoke lose you?" The fan/blog hive mind is an incredible thing, which is beyond me to stand against.
|4 weeks 4 days ago||I need to be more clear||
I need to be more clear. I think MN has a very good team. We lost badly, I fully agree on that. What I was trying to say was that losing to Minnesota was losing to a very good team.
|4 weeks 4 days ago||Went to the NW game||
I went to the Northwestern game. It was . . . interesting, to say the least. I can't respond to everyone, but I am not going to argue for Hoke. And it is a waste of everyone's time to get into pissing matches with other fans about the future of the program. What's done is done.
I simply think that if Peppers had been healthy, if we had had Ty Isaac, if Gardner had been healthy and mobile, if the OL had been where they are now at the beginning of the season, we would have won a couple more games, and the discussion would be very different. Yeah, and if wishes were fishes . . .
|4 weeks 4 days ago||I think the team is much better than given credit for||
I think the team is much better than given credit for. Imhe, Michigan has improved an awful lot over the course of the season. I really expected that to happen, largely because of the OL.
I think the defense has done remarkably well, particularly given the loss of Peppers.
The skill positions haven't been as good as we want, but part of that was the OL developing, part of it injuries (Green and Gardner.)
I think that Minnesota is much better than given credit for, and don't call that a bad loss. The single game I really wish we would have won is Rutgers. I am incredibly depressed when I think about Michigan football, because I think it is a foregone conclusion Hoke will be fired, and I think that is not the solution.
I do think we will beat Maryland, and I think that Michigan will play OSU much better and tighter than hardly anyone expects.
Oh, and I actually think that in terms of player personnel, Michigan is pretty well set for the coming year. While I'd dearly love to see Hoke get another year, I'm assuming that the Mongol hordes won't allow that to happen.
|4 weeks 4 days ago||Thankful for this Post||
I'm thankful for this post. I haven't posted much the last several months, as the negativity has been too much for me. However, like a moth drawn to the flame, I can't quite quit this blog. Thanks for your perspective.
Speaking of perspective, I'm thankful for time away from this blog to think about what is really important, which means I've spent more time with my family, more time doing things that matter, less time on the internet.
I'm thankful for the time I had in Ann Arbor, and thankful for so many blessings from God in this life. If I had to pick just a couple, I'd say I'm thankful that God is patient and forgiving, and I'm thankful for good people around me, from a wife and children to good friends. I think I'll just stop there.
|4 weeks 4 days ago||Biggest change is OL||
It appears our OL has jelled. This was predicted: they are young and were not used to playing together. Regardless, assuming our OL play is solid, and we have three RB available (Green back, along with Smith and Drake,) that opens a lot up.
Conversely, we will be hurt by the loss of Clark, but that is more than compensated for by their loss of Diggs.
|4 weeks 4 days ago||You're on your own.||
You're on your own.
|13 weeks 1 day ago||Hold responsible, yes||
Yes, Brandon should be held responsible. He has made some bone headed decisions. Being held responsible, however, doesn't mean that all his decisions are stupid. It seems that there are some who reflexively here "Dave Brandon," and their first thought is, "what moronic, money grubbing thing is he doing now?" When you try to paint things as either "bad" or "good," you get into trouble. There are some things that Brandon should get credit for, just as there are some things he should be castigated for.
If Brandon is a good executive, and not totally tone deaf, criticisms need to help him change some of the things he has done. But you know, I do agree with several things Brandon is doing. Time doesn't stand still for anyone. You have to make changes with the times, while being respectful of the past. I don't think that Brandon should be crucified for trying some things that don't work. It wouldn't help if he was paralyzed by the fear of opposition. For me, the biggest problem would be if Brandon fails to listen to criticisms and to accept that some of the things he has done have failed.
My frustration is with those who are simply seeing negative in everything right now. The so-called "haterz" are those who will criticize EVERYTHING that Brandon does.
Let me use an analogy. A lot of people love to wax poetic about how wonderful Wrigley Field is. Wrigley Field does have it's charms. But the reality is that the facilities were not updated, are cramped, and are not an enjoyable place to play. And as a fan, there are lousy things about the park. Now, you don't need to tear Wrigley Field down, but you do need to acknowledge that there have to be some updates and changes.
Brandon is making some of those changes for Michigan, and it isn't a bad thing.
|13 weeks 1 day ago||Fair enough||
We'll see what happens this season and next. Yeah, I'd support cutting Hoke loose if he has a losing season, or even if he just matches last year. I think the team will do much better than that, but we'll see. As regards Beilein, I do agree that he's an elite coach. But I also remember how glum Brian was, thinking that Beilein was pretty meh, and had a limited ceiling. What Beilein needed was the support system and the money and the everything else to get to the next level. I don't think the consensus for much of Beilein's coaching career was that he was elite or a genius.
I do believe that the lack of OL depth and experience is the single greatest factor that hurt Michigan, especially in 2012 & 2013. I think that we're seeing the OL (and hence the team) turn the corner this year. I simply am convinced that most fans don't get how critical a solid OL is. That's why the LT, and with the other linemen not far behind, command such huge salaries in the NFL.
I grew up in the city in the Ukrainian Villiage area, left for 25 years, and landed in Carol Stream 17 years ago. It's been nice to be in one place for a while: I've lived longer here than at any other time in my life.
|13 weeks 1 day ago||Yes, I do||
Yes, I do believe they are building a culture of excellence. The improvements to the stadium, to the training facilities, the pay scale for the coaches, all those things contribute to excellence. I don't think it is a complete coincidence that Beilein has improved alongside huge improvements to the basketball physical plant. That is also happening in Football.
On another topic: are you in the city, or out in the burbs? I'm living near Wheaton, so just curious.
|13 weeks 1 day ago||That's why you play the games||
That's why you play the games. Obviously if Hoke proves this year and next that he is a mediocre coach with a limited ceiling, you let him go. And you are predicting he is mediocre, so cut him loose, the sooner the better. I'm predicting he will be a great coach for a long time. The most I'll say in terms of "excuses" is that he needs through the 2015 season for an intelligent analysis of who he is and what he can do.
Oh, and regards Bo: I loved him, and loved the fact that he was Michigan's coach the entire time. But some of the Bo worship around here goes a little bit overboard. Sometimes I wonder why he gets such a pass for his bowl record.
|13 weeks 1 day ago||You missed one . . .||
A corollary to to Option 4 is that this is politics, and anything political doesn't belong at Michigan, or shouldn't be posted on the board.
Other than that, excellent job . . . as I wrote my post, I was thinking of the noodle and the halo and the fireworks and the "get off my lawn" contingent.
|13 weeks 1 day ago||Thanks for the update||
I'd love to see KLS end up at Michigan. Having said that, it's a great thing that we are going after guys who are also considering USC, Oklahoma, OSU, Alabama, etc., etc., etc. The prowess of Michigan coaches in recruiting can't be underestimated. Should Hoke and the team make it through the next two seasons intact, we should be very well set going forward, with excellent depth at virtually every position, and stronger recruits as each year goes by. This morning, as I looked at the depth chart and went through the UFR, I was struck by two seemingly contradictory things:
Regardless, I'm thrilled with the recruiting, and that Michigan is in the hunt for a couple five star recruits.
|13 weeks 1 day ago||Don't be an idiot||
Don't be an idiot. Of course no one is content with 8 - 4 being ok. The question isn't about whether or not 8 - 4 is ok. It is about whether or not 8 - 4 is ok for the 2014 season.
To put it another way, what is the direction of the program? Are we improving, stagnatiing, or declining? For instance:
Of course, we'd rather have success NOW. But life doesn't typically work that way. I want Michigan to build a culture of excellence, and it takes time to get there. The complete lack of patience for the process is maddening to me. No, I don't want mediocrity. But excellence does not happen overnight. And typically, if it happens overnight, it's because someone has egregiously cut corners. I don't want that to happen either.
|13 weeks 1 day ago||Nice||
That's great . . . it is practically an airshow. And I'll assume some current generation stealth fighters or bombers are what you can't officially say.
Only thing I wonder: how will the Brandon Haterz twist this and complain? Some people aren't happy unless they're whining and complaining about something.
|13 weeks 1 day ago||Hanging on by a thread?||
You're nuts. He is not hanging on by a thread. Michigan is fine, and is getting stronger week by week.
|13 weeks 1 day ago||Are you serious?||
Are you serious? For real?
Several comments . . .
Hoke and Nuss and Mattison wear big boy pants. Frankly, they don't give a crap what reporters think, and when reporters get their shorts in a wad. And they care even less what the tin foil hat fan brigade thinks. But man, crap like this marginalizes all of us in the fan base.
I guess the only positive I can take from this is that the football team is getting more and more pissed off, has circled the wagons, will take no prisoners, and will play with the proverbial chip on their shoulder throughout the year. I wouldn't want to face them this year. No way. If Funchess and Taylor and Morgan all come back healthy, and Pipkins and Ryan and Butt are fully conditioned and up to speed, watch out.