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- Have been a fan since childhood.
- Have family who have gone to Michigan.
- Live within 2 - 3 hours of Ann Arbor.
- Could stretch to afford Michigan (but couldn't afford to go to Northwestern, Stanford, USC, UCLA, Harvard, Cornell, Yale, ND, Texas, etc.)
- Stanford (#4)
- Duke (#8)
- Northwestern (#13)
- ND (#16)
- UCal - Berkeley (#20)
- UCLA (#23)
- UVa (#24)
- USC (#25)
- Wake Forest (#27)
- Football success
- Academic programs
- Distance from home
- Amenities (weather, beauty, culture, etc.)
- One possibility is that Kaplan is correct: there were two or three guys doing all the damage. In which case, how in the world can 115 or so other people (Sammies and SDTs) ignore the vandalism and destruction? Which covered 45 rooms? Hallways? It really is ironic that Sigma Alpha Mu, of all fraternities, would believe that it is ok to ignore and turn a blind eye to the criminal actions of others.
- The other possibility is that Kaplan is trying to do damage control, and the reality is that a significant number of fraternity bros (20? 30? 40?) were involved in the systematic trashing of Treetops resort. The problem with this scenario is twofold. First, it means that Kaplan is blatantly lying and covering up. (The implication of Treetop General Manager Owens, quoted in the Detroit News.) The other problem is that you have a huge portion of this fraternity thinking this kind of destruction is completely ok. Did they reall think no one is going to hold them responsible? That they could act this way with impunity?
- Distance from home. If you have a close family relationship, if your family is settled in a home in an acceptable neighborhood, if you want to be able to go home, if you like your area of the country, this is a huge factor. To the OP, I would ask, what part of the country are you from? If you yourself are from Michigan, it makes sense that you love Michigan. But for someone from California, it would make sense that they would like their own state. There also is weather to consider.
- Academic programs. You suggested that Michigan had great academics. But you really have to look at different programs. Stanford, Notre Dame, Texas, Northwestern, Duke, Cal - Berkeley, UCLA, Virginia, USC, Wake Forest, are all great schools, and rated more highly than Michigan academically. In a particular program, they could well be stronger than Michigan. More than that, Michigan has a number of programs that are inaccessible to football players, that won't flex for football players. iirc, it is impossible to be in the nursing program and be on the team. I think that architecture might be in the same boat. And there are a number of programs that Michigan doesn't have, or isn't strong in. I think, for instance, that if I wanted to go into film making, I might go to USC ahead of Michigan.
- Success in placing athletes in the NFL. Let's be honest: there are plenty of schools who have been much more successful in preparing and grooming players for the next level. If that is what your primary interest is in, maybe you would be wise to go to Alabama, or Ohio State, or any number of other schools.
- Depth chart when you're enrolling. You can talk all you want about "we only want players who don't shy away from competition." Yes, this makes sense . . . to a degree. But honestly, beyond a certain level, it makes sense to go to a school where they NEED you, not where you are a luxury.
|5 min 10 sec ago||Sammies website edited||
I don't know when, but the Sammie website at UofM has been changed. They took down all the pics and the "We are on a Roll!!" stuff, and have a somewhat contrite message:
We are embarrassed and ashamed of the behavior of a few of our chapter members at Treetops Resort over the weekend of January 17-18. This behavior is inconsistent with the values, policies, and practices of this organization. Our chapter accepts full responsibility for this incident and we will be working with the management of the resort to pay for all damages and cleaning costs. We will work within our own organization and with university officials to hold those who are responsible accountable for their actions.
This is consistent with the statement from their prior (president?) Joshua Kaplan. The question I have is, what constitutes "a few?" That is more than one, more than a couple, but about how many? If there were 60 guys, and 60 girls, "a few" would seem to be 3, maybe 4 or 5 guys. Out of 120 people there. Which raises even more questions. What was up with the other 110 - 115 people who weren't destroying stuff? Or, does "a few" mean more like 10, 20 guys? Too many questions yet unanswered.
If I was in any of those fraternities or sororities, I would really be happy if I stayed behind in AA or went home for the weekend.
|18 min 21 sec ago||Breathless?||
Breathless? Not hardly, Spicy Wiener. Just happened to notice it in the paper, and knew it was of interest to some on the board and those who follow the University from afar. Properly noted as "OT." I will say, I was curious what would happen. And if you read the article, it sounds like UofM isn't done investigating, and there may well be more repercussions down the road.
Just curious: are you a current student, and are you in a fraternity? It seems that some in that category want to downplay the incident. Kind of in denial. It is indeed a black eye for the university, and is just flat out wrong.
I was in a fraternity myself at UofM. There was plenty of drunkenness, drugs, and debauchery. I was involved in stupid fraternity pranks, some involving one of the suspended houses, and cattle crossing signs. Sometimes it was a wretched hive of scum and villainy. But man, we never did that kind of damage and had that kind of disrespect for a ski resort or hotel. I'm embarassed and angry.
The other thing: with the suspension of the sororities, this tells me that they are going to come down not just on those who are actively destroying property. They're also coming after those who are complicit by their silence, i.e., simply ALLOWING destruction to happen.
|54 min 4 sec ago||Freep gets it right this time||
The Freep actually got it right this time. In their article, it reads:
Sigma Delta Tau sorority, Pi Kappa Alpha fraternity, Alpha Phi sorority, Chi Psi fraternity and the Delta Gamma sorority were also suspended after being accused of causing more than $50,000 in damage at the Treetops Resort and condominiums at Boyne Highlands near Harbor Springs.
Not saying the Freep is good or exonerated, just noting that they got it right.
|1 hour 24 min ago||This whole thing drives me crazy||
There are so many fans at this website who:
In the US News and World Report College rankings, the following schools are ranked higher than Michigan:
In the above list, there are 4 schools bolded who might possibly have a good football team. Of those four, three are in California. And two in Southern Cal.
If you are willing to leave home, want a good school academically, a good school in terms of football, and good weather, you'd be an absolute fool not to consider UCLA, USC, and Stanford.
Now, the pull of home is an important thing. Just ask Ty Isaac. This is part of why it is so critical for Michigan to recruit well in our footprint. If you look at a map, you can easily see the areas within a 4 hour drive. Chicago, Pittsburg, Indianapolis, Cincinnati, Cleveland, all of Michigan are in that area. For a recruit further away than that, you are getting far for mom and dad to get to your games.
You really have to look at the four factors:
Right now, Michigan can sell on academic programs, and on the POSSIBILITY and past history of football success. If we're trying to gain a recruit from out of our footprint, far from home, why wouldn't you rank schools in terms of football, academics, and amenities?
|14 hours 50 min ago||Love the fact he made a decision||
I love the fact Reagan Williams made a decision. This frees him up, and frees the coaches from wasting time, etc. And Stanford is a great place to go. If I was choosing between Stanford and Michigan myself, I could easily have gone to Stanford.
I appreciate it when guys lay out the pros and the cons and figure out where they feel most comfortable and they make a decision, instead of stringing everyone along.
|15 hours 57 min ago||Silent Commitment||
Iman Marshall makes a silent commitment to play at Michigan.
|21 hours 49 min ago||Interesting post||
You list fame, riches, attractiveness, attention from women, best at what they do, and pop culture relevance. Fascinating, yet very flawed list.
Fame comes and goes, and as others have noted, sometimes, fame can be more of a bother than it is worth. It is a good thing to be recognized, but for what? Kim Kardashian has fame, but not a life I'd want.
Riches are an interesting thing. It is said that the multimillionaire John Rockefeller was once asked, "How much money is enough?" He answered, "Just a little bit more." In other words, "I will never have enough." I'd say that it is good to have enough money so you don't worry about it, but not so much that you worry about it all the time.
Attractiveness is in the eye of the beholder, and is fleeting. (I'm assuming you are talking about physical attractiveness.) With plastic surgery and endless body building and makeup and hair care and clothing, anyone, in a sense, can be physically attractive. But it becomes a full time job to maintain this.
I can understand attention from women, but really, if you have attention from one woman, the right woman, that is enough.
Best at what you do is also interesting. I would tweak this slightly, to say, do the best that you can. It isn't just how much you do. It is how much you do with what you've got. Not everyone has the same gifts, but the person who excels with what they have is worthy of praise.
Pop culture relevance is maybe the least important on your list. Pop culture changes so quickly, and is so mercurial, that it is close to pointless to care about this.
I love the four virtues scene in Gladiator, and would embed it if I knew how. Commodus says to Marcus Arelius, "You wrote to me once, listing the four chief virtues: wisdom, justice, fortitude and temperance. As I read the list, I knew I had none of them. But I have other virtues, father. Ambition. That can be a virtue when it drives us to excel. Resourcefulness, courage, perhaps not on the battlefield, but . . . there are many forms of courage. Devotion, to my family and to you. But none of my virtues was on your list."
I'd encourage you to think about your list, and what the "best male life" actually would be.
|2 days 10 hours ago||I would never wear them||
I would never wear them. Not in the house, not on the farm, not in the bedroom, not at the beach, not in public or private. The thought is very unappealing.
I suppose I'd think about it if that was the condition for raising a chunk of money for a food pantry building, and for a group we're supporting in Kenya. But even then, I wouldn't be thrilled.
|2 days 10 hours ago||Sour grapes?||
Sour grapes, with Jabari's injury, GoBlueGB? It isn't cool to ever wish an injury on anyone, or to rejoice when someone goes down. That's just being a jerk. These guys lay their bodies on the line, and it is crummy when something like this happens.
I'm not a believer in Karma. But you better hope that Jabari gets healthy and stays healthy. As a Bulls fan, I've seen how seasons are easily ruined by injuries.
|2 days 10 hours ago||What a bummer||
I hate to see injuries to anyone, any time. This really sucks for the Pistons.
As a Bulls fan, it has been very tough with D Rose's injuries, and Joakim Noah. (and they're not the only ones.) Pacing is so important, and staying healthy is critical. Sorry for Pistons and Pistons fans.
|2 days 12 hours ago||Pair of boobies||
Pair of happy boobies
|2 days 19 hours ago||You know something's really bad . . .||
You know something's really bad . . . when even models can't make it look good.
|2 days 19 hours ago||Nope||
I really can't think of any circumstance where I would where those. A man's gotta know his limitations.
|2 days 19 hours ago||Wow||
I LOVED that film. I got a catch in my throat at the very end, seeing how proud Jack was that Jim & John chose to go into their father's profession, being a coach. Thanks much for sharing this link.
|2 days 20 hours ago||I wouldn't know||
I wouldn't know about most of California. I didn't wear stuff like this when I lived in LA, although I may have seen some similar styles when walking on the beach with my wife in Santa Monica. Still, I can't even imagine someone in Chicago or Detroit coming up with this, and selling it. Leave it to California.
|2 days 20 hours ago||I'd have to look up markets||
I'd have to look up markets and Nielsen share on TV. I was kind of wondering about the Celtics and Sixers. Pistons, not so much. But I'd like to see a map of who watches basketball, and how much, in different markets. The Celtics and Sixers (along with Knicks, Lakers, and Bulls) are all "marquee" teams in terms of history. The Sonics and Suns have been around a long time too, although they don't seem to have the same history of being "marquee" teams.
|2 days 20 hours ago||Why I love Khakis||
So, true confessions. I wear khaki trousers almost every day. Some of them are cheap, some more expensive. Some are from Walmart or Kohls. Some are wool from Land's End. They are not "fashionable." But I don't care. They match with almost everything. I can wear them with a buttondown shirt, or a t-shirt (like Jim Harbaugh.) I can wear them with a sweater, or a blue blazer. If they make any statement, it is that they are utilitarian and don't draw attention. I wore khakis to class when I was a Michigan student.
In contrast, here is a fashion statement:
These are what pass as fashion statements for men. In 2015. In California. Lord, what will they come up with next? LINK: http://www.boredpanda.com/crochet-shorts-schuyler-ellers-lord-von-schmitt/?image_id=crochet-shorts-schuyler-ellers-lord-von-schmitt-1.jpg
I don't think you could pay me enough to ever wear something like this. I have never been hip, or a "hipster," not at any age, and certainly not now. For the love of humanity, WHY?!?! It is this kind of thing that makes me love Michigan, and traditional uniforms, and Jim Harbaugh, and khakis.
p.s. As much as these do not match my sartorial sense, I will say this. I would GLADLY pay $100 for the next HTTV if it included an autographed photo of Brian and Seth sporting maize and blue crochet shorts or trousers similar to these.
|3 days 23 min ago||Korver is doing well||
Korver is doing well, doing very well. If he keeps this up, it will be a season for the record books.
Regarding all the big market NBA teams tanking, not so fast, my friend. It is true that the Nets, Knicks, and Lakers are all bad. Very bad. But the Rockets, Clippers, and Bulls are all having decent seasons. That's a team in each of the number 2, 3, & 4 population centers.
The Bulls, in particular, may really be rounding into form. If Derrick Rose and Joakim Noah stay healthy, and Paul Gasol and Jimmy Butler continue to play at the level they've been playing at, they could go deep into the post-season. And that's a team that will generate interest.
|3 days 18 hours ago||Funny||
SMH. You have to avoid the Freep for the zealots on this board.
|3 days 18 hours ago||Not drinking anything so exotic||
|3 days 18 hours ago||Are you sure this is what you want?||
What you are saying is, "Be deceitful. Lie about who you are. Don't take responsibility."
|3 days 22 hours ago||Here's the thing||
WolvinLA2, here's the thing. When Sigma Alpha Mu's "prior" (chapter president?) Joshua Kaplan is quoted saying this was an isolated incident, very few were involved, maybe a couple guys, you have two possibilities, neither of which are good:
One other observation. Thus far, I have heard literally nothing from anyone in a sorority, not Sigma Delta Tau, Delta Gamma, or Alpha Phi. Back in the day, it would be more typical for guys in a fraternity to do stupid destructive stuff. Is that still the case, or does the equality of the sexes mean that the sorority sisters were just as destructive as the fraternity brothers?
|4 days 10 hours ago||Will SAM ID them?||
UMichClass2017, do you think that SAM will identify the major culprits? Same thing for Chi Psi and Pike? Presuming these individuals are adults, should they be identified publicly and do the perp walk?
I can believe that the vast majority of fraternity and sorority members who were present at Treetop and Boyne were not actively nor maliciously destroying property. However, if their fraternity brothers and sorority sisters are not willing to identify them, (or better yet, if they are not willing to identify themselves,) then I am less willing to see forgiveness offered to their houses.
If those students responsible are expelled, or removed from school for at least a year or two, and sued for damages trebled, I could see suspensions for the fraternities and sororities being lifted quickly. If, on the other hand, through some perverse sense of "brotherhood" no one takes responsibility, I could see the banhammer coming down on the entire house.
|4 days 12 hours ago||It'd be interesting to hear from fraternity members||
It'd be interesting to hear from fraternity members from Sigma Alpha Mu, Pi Kappa Alpha and Chi Psi who are also here at MGoBlog. I'm sure there are some who are on this blog who are in one of those houses. I wonder if any are willing to share what they were thinking, and what they think the repercussions and sanctions should be in light of what happened.
I just went to the Sammie site for UofM (LINK: http://www.michigansammy.com/) and there still is nothing posted whatsoever about the weekend.
Particularly damning is a statement from Tree Tops commenting on the public apology from Chapter President Joshua Kaplan. Barry Owens, general manager of the resort, was quoted saying this about Kaplan:
“I thought it was a joke because it was the president who was quoted and he was actually one of the ringleaders here,” Owens said. “He was one of the people who assured us they would behave themselves.”
|5 days 19 hours ago||Nope||
No, I didn't expect those two losses. I did think there would be some rough sledding, especially with the loss of the bigs. If McGary and Horton were here, the season would have been completely different. But there's no use in crying over spilled milk. All I would say is that I don't expect a lot from the team going forward, other than that they will win more games than anyone expects.
|5 days 20 hours ago||Playing with house money!||
This whole year, with Stauskas, McGary, Robinson, Morgan, and Horford gone, and Caris out, we're playing with house money. They've already done more than I expected. Every win they get from this point forward is gravy! It is all good, and you can just shake your head and smile. House money indeed. Edit: and should Walton's toe actually heal significantly, and Doyle continue to get better, I think we'll win a couple of games we're not expected to win.
|6 days 1 hour ago||Interesting post||
I will say, I found the post interesting. I didn't mind clicking and reading . . . thanks for posting. I also was interested to get both sides of the story, so I went to their website to see if Sigma Alpha Mu had any response. Nothing so far, although this doesn't seem to fit well with the mission statement at their national website:
Sigma Alpha Mu's Mission is to foster the development of collegiate men and our alumni by instilling strong fraternal values, offering social and service opportunities, encouraging academic excellence and teaching leadership skills. We will continue to attract members of all beliefs who appreciate our great heritage as a fraternity of Jewish men.
Looking forward to the spin on how this kind of weekend instills "strong fraternal values," or offers "service opportunities," or teaches "leadership skills." I suppose how they respond to this will give the opportunity for these kinds of goals to happen.
|6 days 17 hours ago||Can you imagine Bo doing that?||
Can you imagine Bo hauling around all the freshmen on the football team? Harbaugh in particular? That would have been a sight to behold!!
Here's a quote from another mgoblog post on Harbaugh's on behavior:
During his first two years in South Quad Harbaugh was directly involved in several assaults on fellow students. . . One of the most egregious examples of Harbaugh's lack of character is evidenced by his regular practice of throwing full containers of Dannon yogurt taken from the training table in the dorm's cafeteria out an open window at the end of the hall on the upper most floor of the building. When challenged by one of the students as to why he was tossing yogurt out of the window of the 8th floor of the building - only to have these containers explode on dented cars parked below - Gentleman Jim responded "$%#@ you, I am practicing my throwing arm".
In a more illuminating piece of journalism the SF Chronicle wrote "Harbaugh was arrested in November 2005 in Encinitas for driving under the influence after being pulled over for running a stop sign. At the time, Harbaugh said he "upset with myself and embarrassed for everyone around me." Harbaugh, who refused to take a field sobriety test, pled guilty to a lesser charge of reckless driving.
Maybe Harbaugh has decided he doesn't want his players to do the same things he did himself?
|6 days 19 hours ago||Been thinking about Drevno and Staff||
I've been thinking about Drevno, and about all the staff, as I wonder who is most important. I've come to the conclusion that this is (mostly) the wrong question, inevitably leading to the wrong answer.
The right answer is "nobody." That is to say, nobody is the most important. The team itself is the most important. "The team, the team, the team" is the answer. There's a little more nuance than that. Harbaugh is the most important. But he is the most important because of his focus on the team. He gets that the team is the most important, that everyone has a critical role to play.
You already see that in the coaching staff, in two ways. First, there is a lot of balance and excellence. I am thrilled with both Drevno and Durkin (and with Mattison, and Wheatley, and the rest.) But the second way goes deeper. I think having Baxter on special teams is huge. Having Jay is great, not just because of the tight ends, but because he apparently is great at scouting and film work. Having Tobert will help the strength and conditioning. Having his father on board, along with several retired coaches, is great.
I love football because it is such a team sport. Yes, there are superstars, and there are standouts, both on the team and among the coaches. But everyone has to contribute. This is what I see Harbaugh bringing to the table, and I believe it has the potential to make a huge difference.
|1 week 1 hour ago||Would consider Michigan||
But there are too many other things to consider.
It is great that you are such a loyal Michigan fan. But realistically, there are all kinds of good reasons for people to consider other schools.