I GIVE UP ON HATING WISCONSIN
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- What did he study undergrad (and thus, what would he qualify for.)
- What are the admissions requirements for Rackham grad programs?
- Do you typically finish a graduate degree in one year? Or, is Jake on his own if he wants to continue a graduate degree program after this year.
- There may sometimes be a loose correlation between religious beliefs and ethical behavior. However, it is not a direct or causal correlation. I do suspect that some of Beiein's ethical choices (and Meyer's) comes out of their religious world view. Beilein and Meyer were formed in a certain way, and that shapes what they do. However, their personal spiritual formation doesn't relate directly to their coaching duties.
- Beilein's (and Meyer's) personal spritual beliefs may mean a greater affinity for certain players, and vice versa. I haven't investigated or sleuthed out the spiritual life of the team. Having said that, faith was publicly important for several players, e.g., Jordan Morgan, Trey Burke, and Austin Hatch have all been public about faith issues. That may have helped for some players. Conversely, there are a number of players who are not Christian, which is fine. I don't believe there is proselytization going on.
- Every team and every workplace have a certain vibe. It kind of doesn't matter what that vibe is: the issue is whether a player "fits" or is comfortable. I could believe that even if Beilein and Meyer never preach, never share their faith, never coerce that kind of thing. Still, it seems possible that they could foster a particular climate or environment that would be more comfortable for some than for others.
|7 hours 26 min ago||Been burned for years||
Hope springs eternal, but my expectations are tempered by what has happened over the last eight years (yes, including Carr's final year.) Even Harbaugh took time to get Stanford up to speed. I guess I'd be pretty happy with an 8 - 4 record, and anything better would be wonderful.
Really, if Michigan wins versus MSU or OSU or both, I'd be ecstatic with an 8 - 4 record. (I'd rather be 8 - 4 with a win over both those two then 10 - 2 with a loss to those two.) Mostly, I want Michigan to be competitive in every game, and not to lose because of bone headed coaching and play. Play to win, but don't make stupid mistakes again and again. If the OL and DL and secondary and receivers and RB are playing as well as they can and we lose, I can live with that. Our recruiting hasn't been at the same level as OSU, even though it improved from Hoke over RR. If Michigan is competitive, and the caliber of recruits improves by 2016, I would be altogether happy.
|7 hours 43 min ago||Curious on details of graduate school||
So, my understanding is that someone who has graduated and still has eligibility can transfer immediately to a school with a graduate degree not offered by your previous school.
I looked at the graduate schools at Michigan, and see what looks like about 200 different programs. Many would probably not be up Jake's alley (dance? women's studies? theatre, drama, engineering, etc.) I'm kind of assuming that many graduate programs have a requirement of certain undergrad degrees before you can enroll in the graduate program.
So, several questions:
Yeah, like said above, it makes me think of the infamous OSU "I didn't come here to play school" quote. Still, I'm curious, for those of you who are in Rackham, either as a student or administrator, how this process will work.
|8 hours 33 min ago||Great news||
This is great news. Rudock has been in the wars. He is more of a "sure thing" as far as I'm concerned then Morris, Speight, or Malzone. Maybe Morris and Rudock compete. But this gives the depth so that Malzone can redshirt . . . unless he really, really shows he is ready. Maybe Speight will surprise me. Regardless, I want to see competition, and I want to see the best QB win, and I want to see some depth.
As much as we all hate OSU, you have to acknowledge that their QB depth saved their bacon this last year. How much would Michigan benefit from having three QB's on the roster like Braxton Miller, J.T. Barrett, and Cardale Jones? I expect that until we have a clear, experienced, skilled, talented QB starter, we're going to see a lot of guys coming in to give it a shot. Not all of them can make it, but I'm sure all of them want the opportunity to run a team as QB under Harbaugh. May the best man win.
|8 hours 59 min ago||SMH||
Not transferring. Perhaps you linked on a slow news day to amuse the board? I hope so, because no one in their right mind could think this was happening.
|1 day 3 hours ago||Why are you going to a wedding?||
Can't your wife go without you? Get your priorities straight, man.
|1 day 7 hours ago||Gentrifying Article||
The gentrifying article was pretty disturbing. I'm glad for the link. There's no way any stadium should be publicly financed. Just ridiculous.
I was never opposed to the luxury boxes at Michigan, and am glad they were built. But what is disturbing is pricing games out of the range of normal folks to go to a single game or two. When you can't bring in water or seat cushions, when a single hot dog approaches $10, when the hoi polloi spend well more than a $100 a game for for a ticket, parking, food, etc., it doesn't work anymore. I really hope that the branding and gouging that happend under Brandon is gone for good.
|2 days 4 hours ago||Great decision||
The WFA was a good thing. But too many "good things" take time away from the focus needed for a great team. It takes a leader like Harbaugh to say "no" to a number of good things. The goal is to be great. And that means sacrifices have to be made.
Let's face it, neither RR nor Hoke were doing lots of bad things. They weren't unethical in what they did. But they didn't have the time and the energy to give to the WFA, etc. Very specifically, if I had to choose between satellite camps and WFA, there'd be no decision other than the one made by Coach Harbaugh.
|2 days 8 hours ago||What about over Beilein's tenure?||
It would be helpful to see a chart that shows how Michigan compares over Beilein's tenure.
|4 days 21 hours ago||Michigan Links||
|6 days 2 hours ago||Double post.||
|6 days 3 hours ago||Doesn't matter either way||
What I care about is the game on the field, not the stands. I miss Michigan football being competitive and playing for championships and titles. The stadium itself doesn't matter so much.
I mean, I will always be nostalgic. I miss being a student, and the haze over the bowl where students sat, and being able to buy tickets from anyone, and not being scanned, and being able to bring stuff into the stadium that is now verboten. I miss seeing dozens of girls passed up from the first row to the top of the stadium, and beach balls, and toilet paper, and apple cider bottles being sold for a pittance, and the art deco lettering spelling out "MICHIGAN STADIUM." But those things are never coming back. They are fond memories that I hold dear, but they are memories. As long as the team does well, and the administration doesn't gouge and nickel and dime every fan, I can live with the other changes, including the luxury boxes and all.
|1 week 9 hours ago||I'm with Harbaugh||
I'm with Harbaugh and others who support the Big 10 . . . I'm a partial Big 10 supporter. That means I'd like to see Wisconsin do well the rest of the way. Michigan State? No. I want Sparty's heart broken asap. So I'd bump ND out (I can't root for ND) and slide everyone but Wichita State down one to make room for Wisconsin. If Wisconsin makes it to the Final Four, but loses to Wichita State, I'd be perfectly happy.
Partly it is matchups. For instance, I'd love to see MSU lose to Oklahoma, or to NC State. But I think I'd rather see MSU beat Louisville. And if that happened, and MSU played Duke in the Final four, I'd really be torn. I hate to say it, but I'd rather MSU beat Duke than vice versa.
|1 week 1 day ago||Love that "there's a chance"||
I love that there's a chance Brown comes to Michigan. I'm definitely with those who are sick and tired of heariing recruits talk about the importance of academics, but then go to a decidedly poor school in terms of the same.
In related but different news, I kind of agree with Pitino, who said this week that high school kids should be given the option to go straight to the NBA. If a kid wants to go straight to the D league, and has zero interest in college, I think that should be an option. I completely understand the one and done route for those who have no interest whatsoever in academics, and are just in school to study basketball.
For anyone who has some interest in school, and isn't a clear top 5 or top 10 player, going to college for several years makes sense. I really think that two to three years of college is very helpful for all but the very best players.
|1 week 2 days ago||Great post||
Thanks for the link . . . good to hear more about how practice is going. Glad to hear Morris is doing well. Although, I'll believe he is the starter when they take the field for the first game, and not before. Also am very intrigued by what will happen with Graham Glasgow. Hope that LTT rounds into form. Would love to see Pipkins up to to speed as well.
|1 week 2 days ago||Never had cable||
I just never got around to cable. Not quite true: had it "free" for the month or two trial period. Anyway, Here's the math: I've been in this house 17 years. If cable was $100 a month, I've saved $20k over that period. That means I've about paid for a new car by not having cable. If I lived in Ann Arbor, I think that would have paid for a season ticket to football and basketball over the same period of time.
Obviously, some cable is more, some less, but that seemed a reasonable round number. There are different questions only you can answer. How much sports do you watch? Do you have friends you can watch a game with? What kind of antenna reception do you get? What are the stations available via antenna? Are there sports bars nearby?
Via antenna, I get CBS, NBC, ABC, WGN, Fox, PBS, and a few others (I'm in suburban Chicago.) I'm able to see several games on ABC. I go to a couple games live. I go to a friend's house for a couple more. There are conflicts for several others. And the rest I can go to the local sports bar and watch. The amount of money I pay to bring beer and snacks to a friend's house, or to pay for the bar tab, is almost nothing compared to what I've saved by not having cable. Now, if I was a 20 year old sports addict, it would be harder. But I'm not. The truth is, other than sports, I watch almost no TV. And I can get a DVD from redbox or the library when I want to watch a movie.
For me, I can't think why anyone who watches their money would even consider having cable. I know there are reasons, but you're just paying for a service that is way overpriced. The other thing is, if you have cable, I think you're tempted to watch more TV, because you feel you have to get your money's worth by watching something you paid for. That just encourages wasted time.
|1 week 4 days ago||I think you're right||
I think you're right about it being an informal convention. There are certainly very strong feelings about it. There is no point to an OT post on religion per se. Even an OT post about religion and U of M is probably not wise.
Where it gets a little tricky is with threads like this. By the very nature of Liberty University (Jerry Falwell, creationism, etc.) it almost invites comments. Because of the intersection with Jeff Meyers, it is kind of a grey area.
Harbaugh actually has made some comments about religion that have been quoted. Occasionally athletes do the same thing. Most of the time, the faith life of coaches and players stays private, as I think it should in our culture, at a public university.
To the best of my knowledge, we haven't had anyone like Tebow, who almost invites commentary. (and much of it negative.) However, when players choose to address religion or faith publicly, and are covered in the media doing so, it almost becomes "on topic." If the players choose to answer religious questions publicly (or the coaches,) that is their perogative. I'm not a reporter, so I don't really know the ethics of how they choose to address spiritual things that are brought up by players.
I'm not going to bother finding links, but you can find articles on Beilein, on Meyers, on Hatch, on Morgan, on Burke, on Harbaugh, among others. I think they don't hide their faith, but they don't highlight it either. Faith issues are important to me personally, but this is a sports blog, and I'm fine with that. As I said above, faith life isn't directly relevant to coaching or playing.
I will be inconsistent and provide one link: Here is an article about Jim Harbaugh and his Catholic Church service trips to Peru:
To me, this is awesome. But it really doesn't matter in terms of his coaching of Michigan.
EDIT: If someone is interested in this kind of topic, Google is your friend. Typing in a coach's or players name and "faith" will often bring up articles.
|1 week 4 days ago||I guess we'll find out what Meyer will consider||
Maybe Liberty is the only one offering Meyer. Maybe he is too old to get a head coach position elsewhere. I suspect he would fit in the culture of Liberty. I know a little bit about him (know some people at the church he attends in AA.) However, that's not really relevant, other than the fact that I know he is a person of faith, and there probably are some faith guidelines necessary for a coach at Liberty. If you read the article I linked to elsewhere in this thread, it seems Meyer had success at Liberty, and it went to their president's head. My guess is there is a new administration, and they'd love to have Meyer back.
Regarding your other comments, I agree. Whether or not someone is trustworthy has limited connection to their religious beliefs. And the nature of someone's religious beliefs has limited connection to what kind of coach they would be.
I personally like the idea of coaches who are ethical and take the high road. But this doesn't mean that they need to be a Christian. Nothing infuriates me more than a coach who is public about spiritual things and then acts unethically. Exhibit A for me: Jim Tressel. I'd much rather have a quiet, ethical coach (Beilein?) rather than someone who wears their faith on their sleeve and is a total cheat and hypocrite.
|1 week 4 days ago||Strongly agree||
I strongly agree with you. The religious beliefs of any coaches are irrelevant to his (or her) recruiting or coaching duties. Michigan should seek the best coaches possible regardless of their personal belief (or lack thereof) in a higher being of some kind. I'd want a coach to be evaluated in terms of wins and losses and how they reflect on the University.
However, I'll make three observations.
|1 week 4 days ago||It can be complicated||
It can be complicated. I don't believe that Beilein ever brings religion into his coaching, although I don't know personally. From what I have heard and seen, he doesn't hide his faith, but it isn't something he forces on the team.
I also don't believe that a coach's faith or lack of faith has a direct correlation to his coaching ability. There are great coaches who have no faith in a higher being of any kind. Conversely, there are terrible coaches who have a strong faith in God. Honestly, Michigan would want the best coach possible, regardless of faith issues.
I also, FTR, don't believe that God is particularly with one team or another because of their faith or lack of faith. Again, I don't see any correlation.
I would agree that Beilein is a good coach and a good man, period. The most I would say is that there may be some correlation between someone of good character and someone of faith. But it isn't a clear causal connection. It gets tricky because there are always hypocrites out there. (those who claim faith, but don't live it out.)
Again, the most I'll say is that I believe Beilein and Meyer are a good fit because both are good men, men of integrity and honesty and humility and hard work. I do think that because of the scandal a few years ago, there was an interest in ethics and integrity when a coaching search was done. I am confident that Beilein may have been the best coach out there in this regard. I don't suspect that Beilein's faith life or lack thereof was a factor when the search was done.
|1 week 4 days ago||Will spell it out||
The article I linked explicitly mentions that Beilein and Meyer shared many of the same values.
Yes, Beilein is Roman Catholic, Meyer is Evangelical. Having said that, their faith is important to both of them, although neither are very public about this. Their personal faith and values are personal.
My observation is that there is often more in common between a committed Catholic and a devoted Evangelical than there is between a committed Catholic and a Catholic in name only, or a devoted Evangelical and an Evangelical who gives faith lip service.
Beilein and Meyer work well together. The are a so-called "good fit." Both are men of high integrity, of faith and honesty and hard work. I apologize if that wasn't clear in my post.
|1 week 4 days ago||Good article on Meyer||
Some of you might remember an incident several years ago when Tom Crean got in Meyer's face after a Michigan - Indiana game. In the coverage afterwards, I remember reading a great article by Balas at The Wolverine tracing Meyer's coaching history. I did a search, and here it is:
There have been some pretty snarky comments here about Liberty and even about Meyer. I pretty much think that Beilein is cut from the same cloth. If you don't care for Jeff Meyer, you probably really don't like Beilein either. My personal thoughts? Both are great coaches, along with LaVell and Bacari. Meyer would be a significant loss, but I wish him well, and am sure we will manage if he moves on.
|1 week 6 days ago||Former coaches, not coaches||
I think the "Ged" caught my eye, as to why I responded.
And former coaches, not a coach. You are correcct.
Lastly, I'm not a mod, or an Internet Nazi, and so I don't typically comment. But just because I didn't comment in the past doesn't preclude me encouraging you to leave things like this unsaid.
My personal thought is that if he ends up at Michigan, it will be as a preferred walkon or the like.
|1 week 6 days ago||A GAME!||
Very cool to have a real scrimmage, a real game. Won't be able to tell a lot, but should be a lot more fun than anything we've seen for many years.
|1 week 6 days ago||March Madness?||
With Michigan out,
|1 week 6 days ago||I'm on safari when it happens . . .||
For a minute, I thought . . .
After which I thought, get a life! Why are you bothering with mgoblog if you are on safari.
After which I realized, I am probably old enough to be your father if I was confused that way.
|1 week 6 days ago||You may be right . . .||
But this isn't the place to put this kind of post up. Never put up posts that trash potential recruits. And for that matter, coaches. Note that I'm not necessarily questioning your position, only that you chose to put a post up about it. Stop now, and don't do it again.
|1 week 6 days ago||Wear what you want||
I'm in the "wear what you want" crowd. Now, I personally don't wear jerseys, and have no desire to. Never have, and doubt I ever will. But I know folks that do wear jerseys, and they're pushing 80.
For some reason, I think it's cute when boys wear jerseys. My 13 year old son was so excited to get his Denard jersey a couple years ago. He has a bunch of jerseys, from playing ball, and from elsewhere.
I also think the jerseys look great on his sisters. Grown men? It just isn't my style.
One way to think about this: would you like your mother and father to wear jerseys? In public? Going shopping, to the mall, to a movie, to church? If you're good with it, that's great. If you're not, that's probably a clue about what you think is appropriate for jersey wear.
Final thought: when I think of grown men wearing jerseys, here's the kind of image that comes to mind:
Just not the picture I like. I'll close where I began: wear what you want. But I don't want to wear a jersey.
|2 weeks 21 hours ago||If not accurate, changed recently||
My nephew played for Ignatius, and last time I was in Cleveland, the Plain Dealer had something about Grbac coaching in that area.
|2 weeks 21 hours ago||Thank you, Mike Cohodes||
Thank you, Mike Cohodes. This is personal to me. As a pastor, I am sick and tired of priests and pastors circling the wagons and protecting their own. (FTR, I have no idea what the fraternity of rabbi's do.) Regardless, the scandal we see in the Roman Catholic Church often has to do with the Vatican and the Bishops denying and hiding and covering up priest sexual abuse.
In my own church body, I had to lead in confronting a colleague who was abusing prescription medications, and was in complete deny, deny, deny mode. Sadly, the tipping point was when we brought in his own wife to confront him. It was very painful for everyone involved: the church, his family, myself. But at the end of the day, it was the right thing to do. Ignoring the problem, enabling dishonesty and lack of accountability, giving a pass to someone you knew and were friends with, just didn't wash.
I'm sad at what has happened, but feel very strongly about this. Frankly, I'd like to know what some of the parents of these Sammies think. The lessons these guys are learning are terrible. I wish more could be done.
I also think that SDT is getting a real pass here: certainly, some of those sorority sisters who were there knew exactly what was going on, and who was doing what. Enough ranting. I can't and won't read more about this whole situation.
|2 weeks 1 day ago||Brought it on themselves||
The Sammies brought it on themselves:
They had a decision to make, and they decided to stand together. The refusal to identify those involved in the trip and vandalism leaves me with absolutely no sympathy for any of them.