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- As mentioned by others, the foul situation was huge. Oregon had two fouls to give over the course of 11 seconds. Walton drives, he gets fouled by the guy he's blowing by well before he's in position to shoot (unless he starts a shooting motion while driving just inside the arc, which is insane) and you start over against with 6 seconds or less.
- This Michigan team is not a great penetration team. We're not talking about Trey Burke, or 13-14 when Stauskas was terrific going to the hoop. Walton could do it, but it was a smaller part of his game and he just isn't as good at getting tough shots to fall as other guys we've had at Michigan. He is much better pulling up and taking a jump shot, which is what he did. Michigan doesn't have a guy who can both pull up and beat any man to the lane.
- Even if Walton breaks clean to the lane, and even if he doesn't get fouled, Oregon had been dominating once Michigan got to the lane all day. Walton himself drove and put up a tough shot at the rim that missed because of how well defended it was just minutes earlier. Michigan wasn't getting good shots on drives.
|16 hours 20 min ago||The seeding complaints were||
The seeding complaints were always dumb, but why in the world are you complaining about Michigan's seeding when they made it to the Sweet Sixteen and had every chance to go further? You think Hollis cackled and said, "let's line Michigan up to play OREGON that'll show them ha ha ha ha ha" as he placed the bracket?
If anything, Oregon was the team I feared least. I thought we could play against their style and the Boucher injury theoretically made them a weak 3 seed. It's not like we were placed with UCLA, a team that has already destroyed us this year.
You must just be trolling here, but I can't figure out the angle.
|16 hours 26 min ago||I don't know, Self has a||
I don't know, Self has a bunch of guys that Michigan couldn't sniff (for whatever reason). And yet Oregon has an easier time with them. All of these problems you're talking about Self not being able to solve seem to be, in fact, problems that good coaches can solve.
If notoriously defense-averse John Beilein can (with a good staff) coach his only moderately athletic players to play better defense than Bill Self can coach his future NBA starters, that's an issue. If Beilein can adjust to serious offensive challenges with his roster and Self can't, that's an issue.
Just saw on twitter that Bill Self is 2-7 in Elite Eight games, and has advanced to the Final Four only once in seven opportunities as a #1 seed. That's bad.
We gripe about Calipari's ethics and we laugh at his relatively lax coaching, and he hasn't won as much as his recruiting classes should merit, but whatever he does works pretty well. He makes finals and he gets his teams playing together and even on off years by the tournament they come together (as we remember all too well from 2014). The contrast with Self is stark.
|16 hours 38 min ago||Depth is nice, but not||
Depth is nice, but not required. It helps if a guy has a bad night or if someone picks up early fouls, so it reduces the variance if things go wrong. But if everything goes right it's not as big of a deal.
|17 hours 46 min ago||I don't know. When I was||
I don't know. When I was younger I used to root for the team we lost to, figuring that if we lost to the best team there was less shame in that.
Now I just see this happen and think "it should have been us." I would honestly be having an easier time with this if Kansas was killing them.
Ah well. Losing stinks.
|1 day 1 hour ago||If I recall, it was posted to||
If I recall, it was posted to a private facebook group. Those groups are "private" and many of them need that privacy to function properly. Not only was it posted to a private group, the author explicitly requested that it not be disseminated outside of those confines.
It's tricky because even private facebook groups are pretty easy to copy stuff from, but the idea is there all the same. And, for the board's part, this gets into that murky area where this board has a large enough reach that certain things posted on it can have a real affect on the players and as a consequence the team that this board was created to follow.
|1 day 1 hour ago||Usually people describe||
Usually people describe players as "smart" who have relatively limited physical tools but play well. QBs, less athletic LBs, that sort of thing.
In two years as the key guy on Michigan's defense and special teams I think Peppers may have made the wrong play once or twice, ever. His ability to make a split-second decision on a punt or something like that and have it be right was uncanny.
And here we have Brown praising his intelligence. And it translated to the field, where Peppers had to play the Maybe it's time to grant that in addition to his abundant physical tools, Peppers was great in part because he was an incredibly smart football player.
|1 day 2 hours ago||I respect this mea culpa. In||
I respect this mea culpa. In seriousness if you in fact have a Facebook connection to him you may want to consider a pm apology.
|1 day 2 hours ago||If you ask me, no. But the||
If you ask me, no. But the chances of the BTN airing a replay of that game as a "Big Ten Classic" or something are high.
|1 day 3 hours ago||Mr. Malone, if you read the||
Mr. Malone, if you read the comments here, know that the poster is getting downvoted pretty hard by fans who love Michigan football but would rather your wishes not be violated in this manner.
|1 day 3 hours ago||I like the info but nothing||
I like the info but nothing here is worth violating the trust that is given in the group you belong to and explicitly requested in the post itself.
I mean, c'mon, you could share some paraphrased insights and you're copy pasting? If I were the one sharing insights and I got burned like this I would be upset.
|1 day 21 hours ago||They know it will be||
They know it will be difficult. It's not an issue of not wanting to fight, it's an issue of understanding one's own limitations.
Now, I don't know what goes on in the mind of Davis and family, but his dad did talk about the RB depth chart. An immature person could look at the lineup and say "I deserve better than this, the coaches aren't giving me a fair shake." Maybe they think that. But their actual words suggest that they recognize that Davis will have a hard time cracking the starting lineup and that the Michigan coaches are acting reasonably if they do that.
And if so, that's maturity, the ability to recognize one's own limitations. I imagine that it is a hard thing for a player who has been successful all their life in sports to ascend to a level where they are never going to be the best. Whether it's getting to college and realize that no matter how hard you work you'll never be as fast or as agile as someone else, or going to the pros after being a star in college and realizing that the only way you get on the floor/field/ice is to be a role-player instead of the centerpiece.
Some guys figure it out and adapt. Some don't. But it has to take some serious character to try your hardest and realize that someone is just better than you.
|1 day 21 hours ago||It's a glitch from a number||
It's a glitch from a number of months ago.
|1 day 22 hours ago||C'mon, man, do you fault||
C'mon, man, do you fault people who change companies to get a better path at promotion? Davis wanted to compete at RB and he did. If he stayed he would keep competing and would get spot carries here and there, but his chances of making a major impact during his career are slim.
And this is a win-win arrangement for everybody. Davis gets his shot here, and Harbaugh gives him a chance. When things don't go well, Davis can transfer and make a name for himself elsewhere. Harbaugh gets a roster slot to offer to someone else AND can sign multiple competitors for one position because those guys know they'll have a chance to compete and if things don't work out they can go elsewhere.
I wish Davis didn't have to leave, but if he was told by the staff that the only real way to get on the field at Michigan is to play FB and he doesn't want to, more power to him.
Some transfers, like Asiasi, sting. Some, like Boren, are a stab in the back. But most of them are just adjustments that are good for the player.
|2 days 2 hours ago||I don't think crowd noise has||
I don't think crowd noise has any measurable effect on his jump shot, which was the tangible problem yesterday.
|2 days 2 hours ago||I agree with this. I think||
I agree with this. I think Walton, however, offered (and provided) a greater chance of avoiding a foul and still launching a reasonably well-positioned shot. Irvin does not have Walton's quickness with the ball in his hand and would have been easier for Oregon to get a hand on.
|2 days 3 hours ago||Congratulations, you listened||
Congratulations, you listened to talk radio this morning.
Everyone understands that shots closer to the basket have a higher probability of being made, generally, but it seems like so many people are ignoring the situation.
When you combine Walton's excellent, cold-blooded distance shooting over the course of March with those factors, I like what Michigan got. It just didn't go in.
|2 days 3 hours ago||If I remember the possession||
If I remember the possession correctly, I think he was correct. Things weren't developing. This may or may not have been the possession where Robinson was dribbling the ball around while well-defended outside the arc for 5 seconds, but that moment sticks out to me as well.
There were some problems with the commentating (one minute to go, one-score game: "This is a key possession" or something. Yeah, thanks, I kinda figured that out). But not everything they said was ridiculous. Hit and miss whether or not they got good stuff, but there was some good stuff there.
|2 days 3 hours ago||Typo, good catch. I've known||
Typo, good catch. I've known what his name is for 4+ years.
|2 days 3 hours ago||Empty arena didn't seem to||
Empty arena didn't seem to affect the team in DC.
|2 days 3 hours ago||Agree about the foul replays.||
Agree about the foul replays. We're already touchy about fouls, of course, with how poorly some of our games have been called, but when key players wind up missing 10 key minutes in the first half, if one of the fouls is questionable that's a pretty big deal.
I'm not even positive the fouls were being counted right. There was some confusion in the first half over whether MAAR or Irving had two fouls. My recollection is that I remember MAAR being identified as the culprit in two different first-half fouls, and only remembering one for Irving over that same stretch. But perhaps a fouls was mis-identified or perhaps someone was just plain wrong. Irvin stayed in the game while MAAR sat, though.
It's natural to gripe about the disparate foul totals in the second half but Michigan was getting crushed in the paint and as a result wasn't really doing anything to earn fouls. It felt like their drive-and-kick game was also hurt by some poor passing that may have been affected by well-placed Oregon defenders. They certainly seemed to make passes harder to come by, and I think that was a big factor in Michigan's offensive malaise. At other times a guy in good position received a weak pass that forced him to move to a position that allowed Oregon to contest a shot.
Tough game. It's basketball. Sometimes you lose.
|2 days 17 hours ago||Welp. What a ride. You tell||
Welp. What a ride.
You tell yourself that you're happy regardless with a B1G tournament banner. And then that you're happy with the Sweet Sixteen.
And then you're there and you want it.
Walton with a shot to win at the end to go to the Elite Eight? There's not a point in this entire season I don't say yes to that.
It didn't go in.
But what a trip to get there.
|2 days 17 hours ago||"One of those spots." Think||
"One of those spots." Think of what 3 great big men in rotation could do for this team. Wagner wouldn't lose any minutes at all.
|2 days 18 hours ago||Irvin was GREAT on D,||
Irvin was GREAT on D, provided absolutely crucial offense, didn't take a hard shot unless there were no other options. Remember, he's the guy that beat Purdue in DC. He and Walton were the team today.
|2 days 18 hours ago||He drives and they foul him||
He drives and they foul him and then it's an inbounds play with 2.5 to go. He got himself an open shot. It was in his range. It didn't go in.
Burke's fell against Kansas, Walton's didn't. It happens. Far more frustrating were the missed 3s from Wagner and that easy dunk Wilson passed up.
We lost by 1. We could've won. We also could have lost by more. It's tournament basketball.
|3 days 4 min ago||The mists of time have||
The mists of time have obscured the raw emotion coupled both in that heart-rending game and in the scandal that eventually followed that stripped results of that season from us. Like, only in the last few years have I been able to go back and fully enjoy the nostalgia of that Kentucky win in the Final Four, which was amazing.
In the immediate aftermath of the scandal I disgustedly concluded that it was better that Michigan lost, because having a title stripped would be all the more crushing.
In 1993, of course, I just plain wanted to win.
Now? I'm not sure what I would've wanted more. Or rather, what ignominy I would have wanted to experience less.
|3 days 2 hours ago||Mentally the hardest thing||
Mentally the hardest thing for me in the lead-up to big games in sports I care about is the terror various intangible and even moderately tangible factors brings to mind when I think about them.
Like, on this March run, Michigan is settling old scores. Illinois again, Minnesota after that officiating debacle, Wisconsin, Louisville. Looks good for tonight, since DJ has a score to settle for that block a couple of years ago, but the two other teams in our region are both the ones who are due to "settle scores" with us.
Or the fact that we're on a massive win streak. It's due to run out, right?
How about this one that briefly terrified me when I was getting ready for work: Michigan has basically played every game 3pm or earlier. They're in an early-game rhythm. Playing so late in the day is going to be hard on their biological clocks, they'll shoot poorly and lose.
Because if there's one thing that can throw off a team that has recently endured a near-disastrous plane crash plus a frenetic commute that prevented the team from even unpacking and a game played in practice jerseys, it's playing a game a couple of hours later than the recent normal. Or a win streak that is going for a while. Or a team in Kansas who had players two or three generations ago that got punked by Trey Burke.
Most of my private mental pre-game analysis is complete garbage.
Which is good, because my blood pressure went up when I read your post.
|3 days 3 hours ago||I love wearing maize, it's a||
I love wearing maize, it's a great tournament tradition for Michigan.
Every year except this year, where the collar color issue combined with the B1G tourney run has ingrained our blue uniforms as mainstays. Keep them coming.
|3 days 4 hours ago||Man, must be some people||
Man, must be some people commenting on this thread so heartbroken that it's posted that they can't even be bothered to read the OP.
I don't always care about NIT updates,
|3 days 4 hours ago||120+ minutes of sheer terror.||
120+ minutes of sheer terror.
|4 days 10 min ago||What guys at WMU?||
What guys at WMU?