i would find this more credible if it was about Tom Crean
|3 days 10 hours ago||Yes, he was on the team.||
Yes, he was on the team. However, McGary has been hurt for portions of every season (including this one) since he came to Michigan. He was hurt early this year in OKC and there's no reason to think such a thing wouldn't have happened if he were in Ann Arbor instead. So it's not exactly a random, unusual gut-punch that stripped Michigan of his services last season.
|3 days 12 hours ago||Of course if Trey Burke and||
Of course if Trey Burke and THJ were still in school...
|5 days 15 hours ago||He's not a "top level talent"||
He's not a "top level talent" and never was. He's a good player, the kind of guy who could make the NHL if he develops and finds the right niche, but nobody has ever considered him a dynamite prospect.
|5 days 15 hours ago||Even the best case||
Even the best case interpretation of what's "really going on" is bad. That would probably be pressure from the Jets to sign with the loud hints that he is unlikely to develop enough to be worth signing next year. So this would be, possibly, Copp's only shot to catch on with a team that will offer a track to the NHL if he develops.
|1 week 4 days ago||Money? When the realignment||
When the realignment occurred, one of the few negatives I anticipated was the annihilation of existing, robust conference tournament traditions. Particularly the Final Five.
So we knew this could be a negative. But I did not imagine it would be this bad. It seems that the compromise option to alternate locations between locii at St. Paul and Detroit (which I favored) has made the tournament less than the sum of its parts. People have gotten out of the annual habit of attending, and they can look at the prices and decide they won't miss it too much.
This is not a college hockey fanbase problem. Michigan and Michigan State sold out a Friday game at the Joe merely weeks ago. And it's not specifically a basketball problem (though I'm sure many fans who saw the game from home appreciated having games to flip to) because MSU played early in the day and Michigan isn't participating at all.
It's alienation of the customer base, I guess. I'd be interested to know your thoughts.
|1 week 4 days ago||Different culture, different||
Different culture, different situation. The MN high school tournament is a unique event that does not translate to anything else. Meanwhile, the Joe sold out for UM-MSU earlier this year. Won't be close to that tonight.
|1 week 4 days ago||This post makes me angry.||
This post makes me angry.
Not because I disagree with the content, because I don't. I have long been on the fix-the-NCAA wagon.
It angers me because I was considering a long, exhaustive diary to post next week, arguing for a change of NCAA tournament format.
My anger is completely selfish. And, really, unnecessary--Brian here makes very good arguments that don't overlap with mine all that much. Save for one crucial exception--the fans are getting the shaft, and it is ridiculous. The NCAA hockey regional system is a complete and total embarrassment to the sport.
It's worth mentioning that prior to the formation of B1G hockey, the WCHA held a Final Five every year in St. Paul that frequently sold out. There is, therefore, precedent for a big one-weekend championship. However, that tournament worked because so many large fanbases lived in close proximity to the site. Even if Minnesota didn't make it, NoDak, UMD, St. Cloud, and others were likely to and would draw well. The B1G has none of this available. It can't work in any venue.
|1 week 5 days ago||Prediction? ...Pain.|
|1 week 5 days ago||Yeah. Trolling the media is a||
Yeah. Trolling the media is a jab comment at a presser. Practice time is important; there's no way any competent (or even incompetent) coach wastes a fraction of the time and effort needed to rep a player at an unusual position just for the benefit of someone not on the team.
|1 week 5 days ago||The problem is that you have||
The problem is that you have six teams and you want them all in a playoff. And, frankly, you want Minnesota in St. Paul and both UM and MSU in Detroit. So they regurgitated the "Super Six" concept and here you are. They'll probably draw 6-8000 for the nightcap with Michigan in it, and MSU's presence tomorrow guarantees a fair gate (but not necessarily half-full) tomorrow.
Assuming you have a neutral site final, a best-of-3 format would not involve all teams. The play-ins would have such a series, while the top seeds would not. Even so it would be more fair to lower seeds, because they wouldn't have to win 3 games in 3 days in the final.
|1 week 6 days ago||We got them in Minnesota, big||
We got them in Minnesota, big time. Easy to photograph.
|2 weeks 9 hours ago||Your trolling is poorly executed||
Actually I was talking about today's thread discussion of a PSU frat, and I hadn't accounted for the possibility that you may not be utilizing the peripheral vision necessary to see that thread on the sidebar, quite literally right below this one. My apologies for the confusion.
I see you are defending the actions of the brothers in question based not on the choices they made but on the financial status of the victim. It is improbable that you really believe this, since such logic befits someone young and immature enough that they would not be able to write complete sentences on August 24, 2008, the apparent date you registered on this site. I suspect you are quite a bit older than that.
Justifying serious vandalism because the property involved is having financial issues is an amusing version of the tired, discredited trope that vandalizing/stealing from an organization is justifiable because they're "rich enough to afford it." In both cases such logic is hogwash. Such "it's not a big deal" thinking is, however, tragically widespread, frequently infecting easily-corrupted organizations as widely varied as university athletic departments, Wall Street financial firms, municipal police departments, and federal government agencies.
The results are bad. And the activity ought to be condemned and opposed. No matter how much one wishes to airbrush it, it is wrong.
And your "defense" of it is scarcely believable.
|2 weeks 10 hours ago||This whole attitude is||
This whole attitude is repugnant. Whether it's police, a chapter of the AFL, a frat, the administration of a religious organization, or any other such group, the idea that it is understandable or acceptable to refuse to name people who have committed serious violations of the law because they are "one of us" is absolutely garbage.
A culture that encourages this kind of behavior or the kind of behavior being discussed at Penn State is corrupt; a culture that then attempts to shield its membership from being accountable for such choices is morally bankrupt.
|2 weeks 15 hours ago||If you're picking a winner,||
If you're picking a winner, absolutely. But if you are assembling an entire bracket in a large field, the calculus changes. Every year, in every bracket, there are dozens of low-probability choices to be made. A particular upset, a certain 4-seed running to the Final Four, etc. Even a chalk bracket is a low-probability risk since we know things never stick to chalk.
So what we are talking about is simply a very prominent, visible low-probability pick. It is little different in principle from picking, say, a 14 over a 3, except that it looks like a bigger deal.
|2 weeks 15 hours ago||I strongly suspect Kentucky||
I strongly suspect Kentucky is dirty. Cal does not have a track record of integrity at other locations; why would he clean things up now that he is at the program that wants to win the most?
But that is kinda beside the point, because if Kentucky is dirty, so are a bunch of other schools. We know, for example, that UNC is staring at the guillotine. Syracuse just got pinched. Whispers about programs like Kansas abound. Even apparently "do it the right way" schools like Duke are known for pulling recruits from cities that are rife with misbehavior.
That's the landscape. Either the sport is mostly clean, or it is widely dirty. Either way, what Kentucky is doing this year is impressive.
|2 weeks 15 hours ago||Let's tap the brakes on any||
Let's tap the brakes on any specific assessments until we have more details. A bundle of 25 channels that includes some ESPNs for $40 is a bad deal. A bundle of 40 channels, or a serious sports package that includes BTN (Fox is involved, so this is plausible) that starts at $30 is rather a bigger deal. These "small" details make a big difference, and we don't know what they are yet.
But I'll say this: within weeks of the Sling rollout (I subscribed) Charter offered me the best TV package deal I've ever gotten from them. They are already my internet provider, and the bundle price they gave to add a basic but decent TV package cost me... An extra $20. Isn't that interesting?
The key here is that competition is on the market. And that means we will all be better off.
|2 weeks 16 hours ago||Also true for WatchESPN. If I||
Also true for WatchESPN. If I am using that app I cannot watch anything with Sling on another device.
|2 weeks 16 hours ago||Game theory. The trendy game||
Game theory. The trendy game theory pick this week is to not pick Kentucky to win, because "everybody" is and therefore if you get that right your chances of winning a bracket are still very low. Pick them to get upset, though, and in the small window of scenarios where they actually lose, you're playing against a much smaller field.
That's the premise, anyway.
|2 weeks 16 hours ago||I agree, I think Kentucky's||
I agree, I think Kentucky's run to be one of the greatest teams of all time is fascinating. There are years when a playoff begins with no clear favorite, and those are entertaining as we watch things play out on the field/court/ice. But there are also years where there is a clear-cut favorite, and their primacy brings an order and perspective that can also be very entertaining.
Kentucky is the storyline. But they are not a sure thing. And, helpfully, this is not the second or third year running of this, which would be boring. So I'm interested in what will happen.
BTW, those odds: the odds for Kentucky beating the 16 are way higher than 99%.
|2 weeks 1 day ago||Let's be patient: the||
Let's be patient: the consequences for this sort of thing we're almost certainly spelled out when Glasgow was reinstated. We don't know what the conditions were, but scenarios for what would happen if he violated probation were probably considered. And Harbaugh would either explicitly state how his rules were different, or that he was keeping Hoke's conditions in place.
If the rule was, one drink and you're off the team, he's gone. If the rule was that any kind of probation violation gets him off the team, he's probably gone.
But then, those might not be the guidelines. It sounds like he's not getting jail time here, so we'll have to wait and see. But Graham surely knew what the potential consequences were.
|2 weeks 1 day ago||I actually think AA has some||
I actually think AA has some problems and may not be the best solution...
But when a huge part of your life (football) and your future (small chance at a lucrative pro career, vs. jail time and putting education in jeopardy) requires you to abstain from alcohol due to a serious offense, and you are incapable of abstaining from it, that's a major warning sign.
This is not just him being one of the guys the weekend before St. Patrick's day. This is doing something he knows can get him in serious trouble, knowing there is a high probability of being caught.
|2 weeks 1 day ago||I agree that there isn't that||
I agree that there isn't that much that needs to change. I do, however, find the default "it's the ADs that are the problem" explanation inappropriate here. Late-game basketball has long been hard to watch, and that is a structural problem basketball has that is difficult to change without fundamentally altering the nature of the game. The exception is the number of times out, which I would love to see reduced.
Long replay reviews are a drag and a problem. Of course, the alternative is that crucial officiating decisions would be more likely to be wrong. That's the tradeoff. Until someone innovatively streamlines the replay concept and applies it to basketball, this is what we're stuck with. I want faster finishes too, but I want decisions to be correct most. Would we trade a sleepy four-minute stoppage to have that bogus foul called on Burke's clean block of Seva reversed? Yes.
I do favor a shorter shot clock. A cerebral coach like Beilein may use all of the clock now, but he would do just fine with five or nine fewer seconds. It seems like a no-brainer to me.
|2 weeks 1 day ago||Here's an idea: punish||
Here's an idea: punish fouling by disqualifying players who commit too many fouls. Say, five or six.
|2 weeks 2 days ago||Not too upset here. It's the||
Not too upset here. It's the NIT. Michigan simply lost too many games.
But this might have been one of the most enjoyable mediocre seasons of any team I've ever followed. After Levert and Walton went down, it was a given thaf the season was lost; watching a team assembled in an episode of Junkyard Wars grow into a competitor twice every week was a delight. There was no pressure, and every game seemed to reveal a new feature of a player we had never seen before.
And because there has been so much recent success, and because Michigan doesn't have a huge basketball reputation to uphold, a down year is ok. It is much less discouraging than watching a mediocre football team with an uncertain future, or a hockey team that ought to be in the tourney every year fall short. This is a team having a blip year, suffering from defections driven by recent success and injuries, growing into a contender.
It was fun.
Wait till next year.
|2 weeks 4 days ago||People aren't fleecing their||
People aren't fleecing their consumers, because the consumers are willing to pay the prices charged. This is not food or water or gasoline; this is an entirely non-essential recreational activity. One that is, almost without exception, accessible on television for those who cannot afford the cost of attendance.
It sounds like you want tickets to be simultaneously available and affordable. This is neither reasonable nor realistic to expect all of the time. And it is unfair to the regular fans who invest in tickets before the value of the game has been determined.
|2 weeks 4 days ago||The exception is when a home||
The exception is when a home team plays in a final. There is known value in those tickets. But generally you are correct.
|2 weeks 4 days ago||The premise against scalping||
The premise against scalping from the OP appears to be that brokers allegedly hoard large quantities of event tickets acquired before "regular fans" can get them.
I'm not in the habit of attending tough ticket concerts, so perhaps ticketmaster safeguards are indeed inadequate in that area. But this is an unsupportable assertion when considering most sporting events. Michigan games, for example, are predominantly ticketed to season holders; brokers do not have first access.
The Frozen Four mentioned in the OP is an interesting case, too, since those tickets are distributed to requesters by lottery long before the teams are set; preference is given to long-time holders. The FF is an annual menagerie of college hockey jerseys and colors because the majority of it's dedicated fanbase goes every year. Other tickets are distributed to participant schools.
In these cases, most of the tickets available originally belonged to legitimate citizen holders who want to recoup value. Why shouldn't they profit from a popular event? I scalped a ticket to the 1997 Ohio State game from a couple who needed the money to make rent. I had the cash to spend. Why should that be wrong?
The OP references the 1998 hockey championship. Not mentioned is the fact that Boston College was playing for the title... In Boston. So, naturally, there was high demand. And there were fans (particularly fans of the teams who lost the semis) who could reasonably think the extra money was more important than attending the final. What's wrong with that?
Now, it can be fairly pointed out that many of those tickets wound up in the hands of brokers. Well, yeah, that will happen. Brokers often buy from people looking to sell quickly and resell at a higher price. They can do this because they are committed--they have a lot to sell and are willing to keep working until after the event begins. They will do all the legwork. This offers something to Joe Average Fan who has an extra or who has a wedding to go to on gameday; he doesn't want to spend the time dealing with finding a buyer, or waiting near the gate, or (if he's going to the event) risk missing anything. The broker offers to do all of these things in return for part of the profit.
Scalping offers the opportunity for people who really value attending an event an opportunity to spend what they value on it. It allows ticket holders to make some money from a ticket that has market value. It should not be restricted.
|2 weeks 5 days ago||I sat in that section once or||
I sat in that section once or twice at Munn, but it's not very big. If you don't already have a ticket, it's kinda weird to try to elbow a fellow Michigan fan out of their seat.
But SRO at Munn isn't bad at all. Find some other SRO fans and stake out some space.
|2 weeks 5 days ago||Not a banner year for NCAA||
Not a banner year for NCAA women's hockey coaching changes. UMD has elected not to renew the contract for coach Shannon Miller and the ensuing uproar is big-time ugly. Words like "lawyers" and "discrimination" are involved.
Bad year for the sport.
|2 weeks 5 days ago||I love DST and would||
I love DST and would absolutely loathe a rollback. Here in the central time zone it's a big plus to have daylight until 9pm or so in the summer; in the winter I am indifferent about it but it is dark by 4:30pm on standard time. To me, winter darkness has to be endured anyway, so it's not significant whether or not the hour is later or not.
In spring and summer, though, having the daylight later is huge. There's nothing quite as exciting as going out to do something after work at 6pm knowing that the day is still young.
If they eliminate DST, the time should be an hour ahead permanently. But I think it should be kept.
FWIW, if Michigan were to drop it, it wouldn't make them pioneers. Indiana and Arizona are already standard-time-only states, except (I believe) for the corner of Indiana that is metro Chicago.
|3 weeks 3 days ago||I was pretty sour on his||
I was pretty sour on his prospects in the last thread about him, but I may have been engaging in excessive pessimism coupled with vague ignorance. T-Wolves coach Flip Saunders spoke about the move on his weekly radio appearance (which he keeps whether he's associated with the Wolves or not) and, in addition to the boilerplate platitudes about how GRIII would be a good pro, made a good point about his fit in Minnesota:
He has basically the same body type and role of not only Andrew Wiggins but also Shabazz Muhammad, both guys Minnesota is working hard to develop. There simply aren't minutes for him.
Wiggins was, of course, not on the roster when GRIII was drafted, so he made more sense for them then. Now, behind two young top 10-type guys, his inability to get minutes makes sense without meaning he can't cut it.
In Philly he'll have the opposite issue--the only way they won't give him floor time is if he is so good that he threatens to win games for them.
|3 weeks 3 days ago||He wavered quite a bit when||
He wavered quite a bit when it was time to decide to go to Houghton, too. I recall the word being that he changed his mind a couple of times. I think he loves Ann Arbor, and it seems very logical to think that he would love to come back.
And let's not kid ourselves: the ceiling is a lot higher at Michigan than at Tech.
|3 weeks 5 days ago||He wasn't a great defender,||
He wasn't a great defender, either. You're right on--he needs to fill a niche of some kind, and nothing he does fills such a niche.
And Minnesota is a team that is trying out the kids to see what they can do, too. I'm not optimistic about his NBA future. But in fairness, unless he really changed his game this year, if he had stayed he probably would've been undrafted.
|4 weeks 8 hours ago||Yep. Mental Health/Chem Dep||
Yep. Mental Health/Chem Dep services have an entire layer of confidentiality attached to them that doesn't exist anywhere else.
|4 weeks 8 hours ago||A few years ago, when I||
A few years ago, when I worked at a small hospital in LA, some lower level workers got in huge (like, lawyers and police and here's a security guard to escort you out now that you've been fired huge) trouble for accessing hundreds of celebrity records at UCLA. This naturally got our attention at my humble employment, but we already had pretty thorough procedures in place so long as they were followed.
And it was important to follow them, because when you work admitting at a hospital in LA for long enough you are likely to encounter the occasional celebrity. And I did, but with two exceptions (who weren't patients and were not directly associated with patients) I still don't even tell my wife who they were.
|4 weeks 1 day ago||I understand what you're||
I understand what you're saying, but evil is a choice. There's no such thing as "can't help it."
|4 weeks 2 days ago||Why should we let moral-free||
Why should we let moral-free hecklers dictate whether or not it is appropriate to say something nice about a family member in public?
If the very mention of a woman going to college is enough to prompt people to abandon their humanity, something is wrong.
|4 weeks 5 days ago||On the plus side, people do||
On the plus side, people do tend to remember my name easily.
|4 weeks 5 days ago||For some of us, "Not that||
For some of us, "Not that John Madden" refers to the portly ex-coach color commentator, because "Yes that John Madden" is a Michigan Hockey Champion with an inclination toward scoring short-handed goals.
|4 weeks 5 days ago||Name: SteveCity: Duluth,||
|5 weeks 4 days ago||You may not call it a "real"||
You may not call it a "real" honeymoon, but if it happens right after you get married, that's exactly what it is; your later trip is still a great trip.
|6 weeks 6 days ago||Forgot to specify my own||
Forgot to specify my own answer: We'll be going Friday night. Still can't decide which jersey to wear.
|6 weeks 6 days ago||Pity I'll be in town on the||
Pity I'll be in town on the wrong night. Ah well.
|7 weeks 1 day ago||This is ridiculous. Get a||
This is ridiculous. Get a correct block call against Louisville and we might already have won a title.
Yeah, Beilein has lost out on some recruits. But Michigan didn't hire him to recruit the biggest stars; they hired him to build a competitive basketball team. Four years ago I would have said the ceiling for Michigan basketball is, in a four-year period, three tourney appearances and one decent run. We're already way past that.
Michigan is not and never has been Duke, Kentucky, or Kansas. It never will be. It can, however, be as good as most other teams, with solid coaching, good talent evaluation, and the occasional rebuilding year that sets the team up for future success.
Yeah, I think recruiting could be a bit better. But your last sentence is so absurd that you are either being willfully ignorant, or you're just trolling.
|7 weeks 1 day ago||I don't object to much of||
I don't object to much of your post, but let's address this statement: "If Michigan was cheating with the big boys, then why was Michigan busted and not the big boys?"
Michigan wasn't busted because they self-reported or because infractions just naturally floated past the nose of NCAA investigators. They got busted because there was a poorly timed car accident, and more importantly because the crucial figure in the infractions was prosecuted for violating federal law.
Those serious legal problems were the dominant reason that NCAA violations (which are not against the law, and are enforced by a governing body that cannot compel cooperation in its constituents) came to light. If memory serves, Chris Webber only spoke candidly about his involvement because it was part of a deal struck with prosecutors.
This is a common theme in sports: scandals only occur when those breaking the rules are prosecuting for breaking laws that exist outside of the rules of the sport. From Reggie Bush's trouble with agents (he was used, that's what started that whole thing) to police uncovering illegal operations in a Columbus tattoo parlor to Federal drug law investigations revealing widespread sports doping, a lot of the worst scandals have heir roots in conventional legal trouble.
This is natural, since sports have artificial rules of competition that are not laws for regular citizens. I do not get ticketed for "holding" if I grab my daughter in the course of horseplay, for example. The problem is that these sports governing bodies cannot enforce guidelines with the same thoroughness that government law enforcement can.
The fact is, athletes don't get caught doping unless they make a mistake. Many succeed. And many schools likely get away with breaking NCAA rules because they are not violating laws. They don't get caught unless they make a mistake.
|7 weeks 4 days ago||I'm going to okay devil's||
I'm going to play devil's advocate here: yes, this looks bad, but let's not get carried away. Reporters learn news that they don't report all the time. Sometimes it's not solid enough to report, sometimes it's off the record, and sometimes they are asked to embargo the report until after the fact.
|8 weeks 4 days ago||Imagine how good Devin||
Imagine how good Devin could've been. Harbaugh's offense is the perfect balance for him, especially with a working running game. I don't think he would've regressed the way he did.
|8 weeks 4 days ago||Sad about this. Not because||
Sad about this.
Not because it's particularly bad for Michigan on the field, or because it's an unpleasant departure (doesn't appear to be). It's just that, after that awful Nebraska game that was not his fault, I wanted him to get one nice moment on the field in a Michigan uniform. Even if it was just mop-up duty to modest cheers. To have your legacy be a half on the road as a sacrifice to Borges incompetence is just not fair.
|9 weeks 1 day ago||This team is a ton of fun||
This team is a ton of fun right now. Back-end problems make things a bit more nervous than I (or anyone else) would like, but how refreshing to own offense after a prolonged offensive lull in the post-Porter years.
The contrast in offensive danger between this team and the defense-first two-line team that came oh-so-close in St. Paul is startling. But, hopefully, these guys continue to grow into a full team the way those did. Get in the tournament and they have a real shot.
|9 weeks 6 days ago||Former ref Jerry Austin was||
Former ref Jerry Austin was on the radio this morning saying that it was his understanding that all the balls were checked at halftime due to the question from the Colts. He presumes the pressure would have been corrected then, as well.
|9 weeks 6 days ago||To be honest, that actually||
To be honest, that actually sounds like exactly the sort of thing that Belichick would do--just part of finding every angle, every corner of the rules to exploit, every advantage to win. Seems right up his alley.
|9 weeks 6 days ago||Just to be clear, since||
Just to be clear, since several have brought up the Colts footballs: I'm not suggesting that this is incidental. I'm wondering if the Pats deliberately used hot temperatures to gain the desired effect without doctoring post-inspection, thus technically not breaking the rules. It would fit Belicheck's profile.
|9 weeks 6 days ago||I've been wondering this,||
I've been wondering this, though: suppose the Pats deliberately inflated the balls with hotter air in a hot room. The balls are checked right after they're received, 2.5 hours before kickoff. They check out at the time... but could they be holding enough heat to lose 2-3 lbs after 3 hours?
|10 weeks 5 days ago||Totally disagree. I||
Totally disagree. I understand why you say this--it is quite possible that nobody SHOULD take Mariotta in the top 20. But history shows that football teams desperate for a quarterback will take the best available guy in the first round. This is how Blaine Gabbert, Jake Locker, and Christian Ponder all went in the top 15 in one season.
|10 weeks 5 days ago||I think it will be good.||
I think it will be good. Winston's problems are problems of judgement and choice, not intelligence. Intelligent people choose to do bad things all the time. He'll be so carefully managed in his pre-draft work that the teams will be blown away by him.
|10 weeks 5 days ago||Maybe. Or maybe he has||
Maybe. Or maybe he has another year that is statistically underwhelming, stranded by quarterbacks that can't get him the ball, and the bloom falls off of the Rose.
|10 weeks 5 days ago||He's not loved right now.||
He's not loved right now. They want him gone. Imagine how we would feel if DB were still in charge saying "Brady Hoke is our coach, he is going to get it done." That's Iowa right now.
|10 weeks 6 days ago||It's a great place with lots||
It's a great place with lots of outdoor stuff to do. Really sparkles in July and August, and if you like winter sports it's fantastic.
And you're quite right. I took some guys from my youth group to a UMD basketball game (division 2) last weekend because it was close and cheap. It was... not crowded. But we sat right behind the bench and heard everything the coach said in timeouts. It's a tradeoff, but it's nice.
The distance is a big reason why UMD's hockey team does well here; while they don't sell out every game, there is a solid fanbase that always attends and the arena is terrific.
|10 weeks 6 days ago||Saginaw's OHL team, as I||
Saginaw's OHL team, as I understand it, does quite well. There's a market in that area for this type of team that is a lot harder to carve out in a Detroit Suburb with plentiful college and NHL hockey close by. OHL teams tend to work in small-to-midlevel communities where the combination of good on-ice action and the absence of better, higher-level options close by makes it an attractive ticket.
OHL teams have done terribly in close proximity to Toronto for years; no reason to believe it's any better here. But some teams flourish in spaces where they find a niche. I don't think the Whalers ever had a niche.
|10 weeks 6 days ago||No reason Yost can't host||
No reason Yost can't host women's hockey. The issue is taking the effort to build a program, which can be quite an undertaking. Now, there is a good coach on the market--UMD's women's coach, Shannon Miller, has won multiple national titles up here and will not have her contract renewed. She might be a candidate to start a program, though the resulting acrimony and the lingering possibility that she may sue probably make that situation too sticky for Michigan to bother with.
|11 weeks 1 day ago||What's the point of Mgoblog?||
What's the point of Mgoblog? This is sports fandom. By definition it is a spurious exercise, an endeavor to assign meaning to a game kids play on a fake grass field with colorful paint.
So the parallels have no meaning to you. No problem, it was 46 years ago, ignore it, don't post. It's silly.
But OSU is the champion. They are young. They will almost certainly be heavy favorites. There are few games on their schedule they have a chance to lose before visiting. Michigan does have a first year coach.
They may well not mean anything, but they do exist.
And, as for why now? Because everybody is anointing OSU as the next dynasty, even (especially?) on here. Maybe.
But maybe not.
|11 weeks 1 day ago||I dunno man, I like football.||
I dunno man, I like football. A lot. I happen to think the sport is better when the M-OSU rivalry is huge. I think it will be huge this year. After a depressing stretch where it has been basically irrelevant, I'm excited about it. Maybe we win, maybe we don't, but we matter and they matter and The Game matters.
I was raised on bedtime tales of the Ten Year War. I have vivid childhood memories of big tilts in the 80s. Attending the '97 game remains my all-time favorite sports moment. I endured taunts and threats and had great times at three games in Columbus in the early 00s.
I love it. I think it matters again. I can be upset that OSU is winning something like the Eeyores on here, but I can't lie and pretend that I'm not actually excited to see Michigan take this team on next fall.
Read my history if you feel like it; I don't go for impressiveness or intimidation. I rarely make posts shorter than a paragraph. But I feel strongly about college football, and I'm way higher on the sport and the team I follow than I was last month or last season.
|11 weeks 1 day ago||Man, you really are grumpy||
Man, you really are grumpy about this. Yes, I am quite aware that Michigan was well-ranked in '68. Of course, this year's Michigan team played OSU much closer than that year's, but who's counting?
Yeah, I agree that we can't always hearken back to '69 or '97 every season. But there is, I believe, talent on Michigan. We know we have a coach who can match up to his counterpart better than at any time since Jim Tressel was hired. And the parallels are uniquely close in many respects.
There's a lot of sky-is-falling talk on the board tonight. Not everything here is the end of the world.
|11 weeks 1 day ago||I've guaranteed nothing.||
I've guaranteed nothing. Noting the parallels (and producing the actual statistics) does not guarantee results. I do expect the game to be epic.
|11 weeks 1 day ago||I don't drink, but I do have||
I don't drink, but I do have to rise early. Thanks for asking.
|11 weeks 1 day ago||Perhaps, but in my defense I||
Perhaps, but in my defense I only posted it once.
|11 weeks 1 day ago||Michigan's, or Ohio State's?||
Michigan's, or Ohio State's? That OSU team was an all-time great. 68 and 70 were incredible teams. Don't fall prey to recency bias.
|11 weeks 1 day ago||Dude, OSU will be riding a||
Dude, OSU will be riding a 20-plus game win streak as defending champs, with talk of dynasty, next November. We'll have a small handful of dispiriting losses and a new coach. And our guys (who are watching this now, hungry) are going to line up and run it right down their throats.
It is going to be epic. Start the clock now, Michigan-OSU 2015 will be the biggest it has been since '06, a matchup worthy of the rivalry.
I can't wait.
Of course, if they choke this one away, oh well.
|11 weeks 1 day ago||Interesting premise. Could||
Interesting premise. Could have some humor here too--it has potential to be enjoyably light-hearted. Also could add a "what he said, what he meant" element. Like: Brady Hoke. What he said: "We didn't execute." If he could say it: "We totally stink," or, "I have no idea what to do."
|12 weeks 13 hours ago||Good work, me||
Double post. I'm twice as happy.
|12 weeks 13 hours ago||Nice to have you posting||
Nice to have you posting again, CF. I follow you elsewhere.
|12 weeks 13 hours ago||You see the phrase "great||
You see the phrase "great article" posted a lot, and I've become skeptical of it. But this is a legit great article--the insight provided is fabulous. The headline reads like a throwaway opinion piece, but the content overdelivers on the premise.
Nick Baumgardner really does a good job. I have to believe he'll be poached before too long--he is producing great stuff for mlive. Best Ann Arbor M football beat writing since Jim Cnockaert, IMO, except hopefully he won't follow the same path to disaster.
|12 weeks 5 days ago||Good thing the B1G doesn't||
Good thing the B1G doesn't have any speed or Wisconsin would've scored even faster.
|13 weeks 1 day ago||Rap is not a bad guy. He's a||
Rap is not a bad guy. He's a reporter who reports in a consistent fashion that works in an all-NFL context. This classy tweet is recognition of the fact that his reporting concentrated on sources that did not have the insight or ability to comment that the Michigan-side reports did.
Yes, the top NFL reporters are behind on this. So what? This is a coaching move that is virtually without precedent, and their reports did not prevent it from happening. Schefty and Rap are crediting, on a national stage, guys that don't have a fraction of their following in recognition of the fact that the little guys have this one right.
And, let's be clear--there was a kernel of truth to Rap's "convinced he wants to be an NFL coach" report: at the time, JH wanted to focus on the rest of the season at his NFL job. That's why we've waited so long. So Rap probably misinterpreted some real info and reported it. No big deal.
|13 weeks 6 days ago||Since John is part of that||
Since John is part of that family, doesn't any blanket statement that "family" is involved potentially include him? For all we know, he's just clarifying that he has no role in his brother's career decision. Or he's in "say nothing mode." Or anything. I don't read anything into this.
|14 weeks 10 hours ago||Yeah, that's tough. Money||
Yeah, that's tough. Money doesn't make up for everything.
Let's be fair--it's good that Nuss gets a soft landing. He jumped onto a sinking ship, and even with all of the struggles produced real growth on the OL for the first time in a couple of years. It is impossible to tell how much incompetence comes from him and how much comes from his superiors. We know a lot of it came from the top.
|14 weeks 1 day ago||BTW, this is a good spot to||
BTW, this is a good spot to point out that I disagreed with your call that B-ball's unis would not be changed this year. I felt my reasoning was sound, but you were right. So good call.
|14 weeks 1 day ago||Yep. The white M is a giant||
Yep. The white M is a giant unforced error on an otherwise great look. The maize M on the blue panel was a real winner on the original unis.
|14 weeks 2 days ago||Maybe. But most aren't firing||
Maybe. But most aren't firing someone.
The key is probably a combination of roster and control offered. Maybe Oakland (whose QB looks promising) is enough of a draw. Or maybe Atlanta is willing to Nuke the staff. Or maybe Chicago has it's own "come home" to offer.
I can say this: it's a good thing Chuck Pagano is winning in Indy. Because that would be the Harbaugh dream team, assuming good terms with the front office.
|14 weeks 2 days ago||Scratch one NFL suitor off of||
Scratch one NFL suitor off of the list.
Ross deserves credit here; he's done some things that have raised my eyebrows, but despite liking DB he was not an obstacle to a prompt dismissal and has apparently put no foot wrong in the Harbaugh sweepstakes. Contrast to how he dealt with Harbaugh last time when JH wasn't coming, and it's impressive.
I genuinely hope Philbin succeeds there and rewards Ross for the confidence.
|14 weeks 3 days ago||Some necessary cold water.||
Some necessary cold water. You know where you can get good teleconference equipment? An Apple store. Pretty sure there are some Apple products in that area.
|14 weeks 3 days ago||Can you elaborate?||
Can you elaborate?
|14 weeks 3 days ago||Ne'ermind||
This post was a response to clarkiefromcanada, who appears to have deleted his post while I was typing. Ah well.
I want to believe.
|14 weeks 3 days ago||I guess, seeing the original||
I guess, seeing the original non-shopped version, it doesn't say Michigan after all. But I want to believe.
|14 weeks 3 days ago||Even includes the faded||
Even includes the faded portion that is partially masked through the laminate,and a pixelated word that appears to be "Michigan" on the other side of the same page.
So someone, somewhere, is trolling hard.
|14 weeks 3 days ago||Given your recent exposure as||
Given your recent exposure as someone who makes stuff up, I'm inclined to disbelieve the OP. In this case my post is, literally, "pics or it didn't happen."
No offense, but I was 14 once and thought I had to make stuff up to be significant, too.
|14 weeks 4 days ago||He's developed a fair number,||
He's developed a fair number, including Richard Sherman. Your inability to name them (And I can't name many myself) is not a strike against him.
|14 weeks 4 days ago||No team that is going to fire||
No team that is going to fire a coach is without holes; naturally Atlanta has some. Frighteningly, one of the problems you've identified (running game) is something that Harbaugh has a track record of doing very well.
And you have to believe that if Blank wants to make a serious run, he's going to clean out quite a bit to get Harbaugh. It's pretty much assumed that he wants a place with more control.
And the Niners are not bringing him back, so their leverage is pretty limited--I don't think they'll block any serious move, since Jim is really in the driver's seat with where he wants to sign. The Niners will get a pick or two, but the alternative is firing him and seeing him walk to the same team for free. It's over in SanFran.
|14 weeks 4 days ago||It's plausible, and it's bad.||
It's plausible, and it's bad. But it's not world-ending even if true, any more than home-shopping is a sure sign they're coming. If he hasn't made up his mind, then he's considering, and that means both options are appealing.
|14 weeks 4 days ago||He is not stringing Michigan||
He is not stringing Michigan along. But that doesn't mean he has made up his mind--most signs now point to Michigan being a real possibility, but almost everything says that he has not yet decided. That Jeff Moss anecdote worries me, because it's plausible and would fit with a guy who is really thinking hard but leaning away from Michigan.
And the Atlanta thing worries me. They have real talent. There is no way Mike Smith is there next year unless they actually win a playoff game or two. But they have a real QB and pieces around him and have seriously underperformed. They're in a weak division. The dominoes are ready.
And if Harbaugh is desperate to win a Super Bowl that is hard to turn down.
|14 weeks 4 days ago||You've got this wrong,||
You've got this wrong, because you're conflating two different kinds of talking heads.
Your typical guys that get most of the screen time are guys that are producing talking points, driving clicks, producing quotes, and all that. Quite true. That's where you get things like Kirk Herbstreit (who I like) calling Miles-to-Michigan.
But guys like Jay Glazer and Adam Schefter are engaged in a cutthroat battle to break real news first and best. They are not analysts, though they might occasionally venture in some analysis for tv/radio purposes. They report. They cultivate sources. They, unquestionably, know more than they can actually write or say on air. Sports news orgs pay significant cash for them to produce, and if another guy is better, that guy gets paid too. Schefter is a good example--he got hired by ESPN because he was scooping Mort and everyone else on their staff.
So I'm talking about the specific set of guys who really gather the hard information. If they get stagnant, they will open a space for someone else. If they are inaccurate, they lose significant prestige and their networks suffer. They are incredibly careful about what they report on, because (as we've seen in other spheres recently) being seriously wrong is a problem.
|14 weeks 4 days ago||Jim, your time is||
Jim, your time is now
The concept is good
No offense, nothing personal, truth to power, etc.
|14 weeks 4 days ago||It's all circumstantial. Like||
It's all circumstantial. Like the house shopping. It just means this is a real possibility. Why does this have to be a done deal for someone from Michigan to say, "Let's ship a nice tie down for Jim for a presser, show him we mean business." It doesn't have to be a done deal for a spouse to call an agent to find out what kind of houses are available should a move be made (indeed, that seems almost a pre-requisite for a spouse if she is being consulted in the decision).
It just means that the offer is legit. And, apparently, that it is getting real consideration.
But we already knew that.
|14 weeks 4 days ago||I'm not talking about the||
I'm not talking about the presidential loser's confidence, but also the confidence of many who shared his political slant and had rational reasons (such as real issues with polling assumptions that became significant last November) for doing so. Perhaps you were only reading coverage from one side of the spectrum; that's fine, of course, but then you sound like Joe Average NFL guy who reads none of this stuff from he M perspective but bases his prediction on Harbaugh on only what Rappoport and Schefter tweet.
Reasonable people can disagree. That's kinda the point.
|14 weeks 4 days ago||I would trade the 00s that||
I would trade the 00s that USC had for any Michigan decade in my life in a hot second.
LSU may gripe about Saban now, but he turned a mediocre program with little history into a dominant power in the nation's best conference, allowing Miles to simply continue the momentum. I would take that kind of stint from Harbaugh easily.
|14 weeks 4 days ago||That's fine, but it's||
That's fine, but it's distasteful and embarrassing right now--wait for the result.
|14 weeks 4 days ago||I suspect a lot of the||
A negative post, posted twice.
That makes this a double-negative.
Which is really a positive.
IT'S HAPPENING PEOPLE
|14 weeks 4 days ago||I suspect a lot of the||
I suspect a lot of the Michigan confidence is a combination of hope, non-negative feedback from JH, and a conviction that the offer is so solid that there's no way he'll turn it down.
Which is to say, I'm not as optimistic, because I think Harbaugh can be swayed by an equal dollar offer from a potentially competitive NFL team. I think he wants to win a Super Bowl more than anything, and it's obviously not happening here.
So a team with a good QB and/or roster is a legit threat.
|14 weeks 4 days ago||I'm seeing more M fans||
I'm seeing more M fans totally convinced that it's happening (which is fine) rip on pretty reasonable NFL media guys who disagree. While I agree that the NFL guys aren't hearing the same info Brian is, it's worth noting that these NFL guys are not scrubs. If they were, someone else with better practices and sources would swoop in and supplant them.
My point is: be careful about arrogant bashing of NFL types just because they're not as optimistic as we are. We are hopefully right; however, we have serious confirmation bias.
Remember, in each of the last two national elections, one side has been stunned by the results because they chose to trust in (reasonable!) sources that predicted the outcomes they were hoping for. It's a natural human tendency. Don't get too carried away.
|14 weeks 5 days ago||But he IS interested. This is||
But he IS interested. This is Michigan. He grew up loving it, played here, sang the Victors, beat Ohio State. It's a tremendous draw. I believe that if he had no interest he would have said so.
If he chooses not to come, that just means the draw for the NFL job is bigger. Haven't you ever had to decide between two attractive opportunities? It's not always easy. That's where JH appears to be.
|14 weeks 5 days ago||As long he doesn't say he's||
As long he doesn't say he's "Taking his talents to South Beach" or make some similarly brutal publicity move, a decision should be reluctantly accepted. A guy who has dreamed of winning a Super Bowl for decades, and has come oh-so-close, shouldn't be faulted for keeping up the chase.
But I hope it doesn't come to that.
|14 weeks 6 days ago||I think the difference in||
I think the difference in multiple people contacting candidates is that in 2007 multiple people contacted candidates as representatives of the University WITHOUT representing the person in charge of the search. In this year's case, as far as we know, multiple contacts are made on behalf of the U of M but all are directly representing Jim Hackett. Outside guys like Woodson are just friends of the program that do not purport to represent the people in charge.
Excellent write-up. Just reading the timeline is awkward and embarrassing; that Michigan wound up with a brilliant young up-and-coming coach is astonishing.
It may be possible that Miles would still be coaching today and that he would be successful. It is also possible that a media far less compliant than the media in Baton Rouge would have, as they did with RR, found an area where Les's oversight was less than thorough and turned it into a massive scandal.
We'll never know. But the signs suggest that Hackett is handling things much better today. And was probably hired expressly for this purpose.
|14 weeks 6 days ago||Of course it's||
Of course it's Harbaugh-specific. JH is a Saban-level hire both in resume/capability and fanbase desperation. The big shots that are funding this are not putting $8 mil out for a lesser candidate.
And that's ok. Because half do that total could easily, easily pull a lot of quality guys.
|14 weeks 6 days ago||FWIW Afam Shefter is much||
FWIW Afam Shefter is much cooler on the possibility of JH coming, and cites sources at Michigan (and he surely has some) that were cool on it too. He says that Harbaugh has "something to consider," but even there he's not super optimistic on it.
He's a League guy, of course. But he's also the best in the business and, as a Michigan guy, not someone who would be biased against.
|15 weeks 4 days ago||Yep. At the very least,||
Yep. At the very least, there'd by movement.
Joe Schad just tweeted speculation (no suggestion of actual info) that Tom Herman would be a good fit in Houston.
If that's a real possibility, he's available for Michigan. He'd be a good choice. But Michigan is waiting on Harbaugh.
And that might mean they miss out on a couple of other good candidates... And I think I'm ok with that. Swing for the fences.
|16 weeks 4 hours ago||Who's going to throw him the||
Who's going to throw him the ball? Harbaugh could come, revitalize the entire team, convert the OL into a bulldozer that mows down opposing teams like grass, go 10-2... And still have a QB passing for 150 a game with Funchess barely seeing a pass his way.
No matter who is coaching, the passing game looks dodgy. Funch had his problems this year, but his numbers were certainly hurt by a crippled passing game. How many times have we longed for a deep ball, any deep ball, to be thrown his way? He can't risk another year like that--now is the time to go, while some bloom is still left on the rose.
|16 weeks 5 days ago||Since we are dealing in||
Since we are dealing in complete hypotheticals, which of these would be a bigger deal: Nick Saban to Notre Dame, or Bill Belicheck to Michigan?
|16 weeks 5 days ago||I can understand some||
I can understand some trepidation. Oklahoma has underachieved a fair amount in his tenure. I'll grant that there are some questions.
I think his minuses are no worse than those of any other long-tenured coach not named Nick Saban, though. Literally everyone who has coached for a long time has some head scratching losses and disappointing seasons under their belt.
Thing is, all potential candidates have downsides, and when we sign one, part of my process will be to talk myself into having hopes for the guy. Stoops will be pretty easy to talk myself into--there are a lot of pluses there.
|16 weeks 5 days ago||I like Richt a lot, actually.||
I like Richt a lot, actually. I think the reason he deals with player discipline issues so often is because he doesn't sweep stuff under the rug; Atlanta and Athens are not places that are as subservient to football as, say, Birmingham and Tuscaloosa, so that stuff gets out, and he deals with it.
And I think he's a good coach and a good man.
But I don't think he will work at Michigan culturally. He's an evangelical Christian, which will predispose a lot of Michigan's fanbase to be distrustful of him, and his style is very Southern. I don't think he'll play well up here and I don't know that he would acclimate to the "style" of Michigan himself.
|16 weeks 5 days ago||Maybe, but then again, if||
Maybe, but then again, if Florida and Nebraska can't find anyone...
Let's just say that this could turn out to be like one of those NFL drafts where a half dozen teams need to take a QB in the first round, and none of the QBs are any good. Just because Nebraska took Blaine Gabbert doesn't mean Christian Ponder will be a hit.
|17 weeks 4 hours ago||The decline is not||
The decline is not irrelevant. Yeah, he had a great first year. So did Hoke. Maybe Shaw is a good coach, and this year is a blip that will be corrected with a good quarterback.
But maybe not. It would be foolish not to be concerned about it--college football history is stocked with coaches that inherited solid programs, coasted on the momentum for a few years, and burned out when the experienced players who had grown up under the old coach left.
Larry Coker is a good example of this--before they got mugged by Ohio State, that Miami team of his looked like the dominant power of the age, with a very legitimate shot at breaking Oklahoma's all-time win streak. He had won a national championship with one of the great, loaded teams of all time. They demolished every team in their path in 2002, and after their coronation over an overmatched OSU squad in Tempe, they were due to replace Ken Dorsey with highly touted transfer Brock Berlin.
But those older players left, and despite playing in a weak conference, Coker could never rebuild a great team. Decent-but-not-great seasons followed, and he was fired.
It might not be the same with Shaw. But it might be. It's a legitimate question.
|17 weeks 4 hours ago||You didn't read my post. I||
You didn't read my post. I explicitly said that there are multiple possible reasons why his Mississippi State recruiting classes aren't as strong as those of neighbors to his west or east. Not all reflect badly on him. But the fact that his recruits are not typically as shiny-looking as those that are flooding to Tuscaloose, Baton Rouge, Gainesville, et al is inarguable.
|17 weeks 5 hours ago||This thread is about process.||
This thread is about process. And Hackett has given a reasonably revealing look at what his process looks like. Candidates will be identified, but they are in different "swimming lanes." Timelines.
Of course, this makes lots of sense, but people rarely speak of it in this fashion. It means that Hackett is more concerned with getting the right guy than having a guy in place right away. If the right guy is someone who is available now (I don't think that's Schiano, but let's use him as a hypothetical) the timeline would be quick and he would be named very soon. If the right guy is "involved in a bowl," either as a head coach or as a coordinator (let's say, hypothetically, Dan Mullen) the interviewing process may not happen until late this month, with the announcement after the game is over.
More importantly, if the guy is currently the head coach of a team in the NFL (hypothetically, one that plays in Santa Clara or in Baltimore), it means that he is willing to wait for the right time to hire them.
And I think he only gets in that swimming lane if he thinks it's a likely possibility. It means that preliminary, informal talks between "people close to the situation" might happen early, but that formal stuff waits until teams are at least eliminated from playoff contention.
That might mean that there is a long, awkward wait; it sounds to me that he only gets in that lane if the payoff is worth it. And a Harbaugh running under the banner next September is worth it.
|17 weeks 5 hours ago||Mullen has built his team||
Mullen has built his team with mostly 3-stars. He does not recruit with the rest of the SEC teams. Whether that's because he's cleaner, because he's working with a lesser program, or because he's a bad recruiter, most of his players are guys who don't get sniffs from Bama or LSU.
FWIW if you start with the premise that most of the SEC is pretty dirty (and I hold that premise), it is objectively impossible to conclude that Les Miles has somehow built a whistle-clean winner at LSU. Honestly, I think LSU is likely as dirty as any program in football, and that's not including the shady stuff that is public knowledge, like light discipline of players who have committed crimes and oversigning.
|17 weeks 1 day ago||At least half the SEC is one||
At least half the SEC is one bagman confession away from imploding. That so many schools have sustained things for so long suggests that the Omerta is powerful enough to not be a huge concern.
Seriously, Auburn won a national title with a quarterback that had a confirmed cash offer from Mississippi State (oh, hey there) and hasn't lost a single scholarship. That's just some of the stuff we KNOW.
|17 weeks 1 day ago||Yeah. I'm not getting the||
Yeah. I'm not getting the kind of moves they're talking about making. Maybe they have insight into coaches that other places don't, but I'm not sure about that. It looks like they're starting with plan B candidates.
|17 weeks 1 day ago||Schefter is very reliable.||
Schefter is very reliable. He's careful not to report rumor.
Crucially, he is sticking to what he knows here. So when he says "Harbaugh to NCAA unlikely," he is saying that as someone who has the best ear to the ground in the sport. Someone fed him info about possible trades; nobody has fed him any info about Harbaugh to Michigan. If that info was out there, he'd have it; it's not being talked about in NFL circles.
Combine that from someone who can be objective and knows the business, for whom the idea of leaving a successful, Super Bowl-caliber NFL career for college is unthinkable, and you get this conclusion.
This doesn't mean that Harbaugh won't come, but it makes a lot of sense.
|17 weeks 1 day ago||That may be part of it, but I||
That may be part of it, but I can understand the ambivalence of LSU fans. Ironically, it's not the results on the field--his record hasn't been bad at all, which is why he still has a job.
But I am not convinced that Les Miles is a particularly good coach. He obviously knows how to acquire talent, since boatloads of it truck into the NFL every year. But the team on the field seems to be more a collection of talent than a well-coached team of players; this is particularly true on offense, where Les has squandered jaw-dropping levels of talent every year with mediocre offenses. When people think of low-scoring SEC slugfests, they think of LSU, because every one of LSU's biggest games in the Les area are low-scoring slugfests.
That is criminal with the kind of talent he has had on the field. Actually, kind of like Lloyd Carr in that respect. But he's not a fantastic game-manager either, frequently making crazy choices that get bailed out by lucky plays (remember the 25-yard TD pass with 1 second left against Auburn a few years ago, when a field goal was the right move?) or stupidity by the other team (Tennessee trying to win a game with 15 players on defense).
The reason Miles hasn't been fired for all of this is that he keeps winning. The way he coaches suggests that he should be losing two or three games a year that he shouldn't, and it just never quite happens. I think LSU fans are fine with him going because they're convinced that the bottom will fall out at any moment.
|17 weeks 2 days ago||I hadn't thought about||
I hadn't thought about that... but unless court regulations dictate otherwise, isn't this the sort of thing they would grandfather out?
|17 weeks 2 days ago||I might be missing something,||
I might be missing something, but I've never heard of this sort of thing being talked about in advance before. Obviously, Dakich isn't going to contribute meaningful time to a championship team at Michigan, but it seems that Beilein is looking out for him and giving him a chance to both be a part of the team and to transfer on exceptionally friendly terms and play at a smaller school.
This is astonishingly classy. At least, it seems that way to me.
|19 weeks 1 day ago||Yeah, Texas gets an||
Yeah, Texas gets an embarrassment of riches (Dallas, of course, just hosted). But it's worth noting that the article says that when Arizona hosts, it will be the first western city to host since Seattle... in 1995. Given that Indy is a doable drive from Detroit, it could be a lot worse.
|19 weeks 1 day ago||That will come. The big||
That will come. The big obstacle to the state of Michigan (which has seven D-1 hockey teams) hosting a Frozen Four has always been the lack of an appropriate facility. Some philistines howled about Ford Field hosting it, but it was a well-done event with only a grandstand setup flaw harming the view, and it was the only way that the FF was going to come to Michigan with the Joe being the dump that it is. Now, Detroit is back in play for the big events.
The Frozen Four has not been in Minneapolis in decades; it has visited St. Paul occasionally, but not as often as you'd think. The Xcel Energy center is still probably the nicest hockey arena in the country, but occasions of it hosting the Frozen Four are actually quite rare, particularly when you consider how huge the college hockey fanbase is in this part of the country.
|20 weeks 2 days ago||I don't think he wants to.||
I don't think he wants to. He's said this is his last job, and that he took it partly because it was with Hoke and partly because it was close to family.
I think he will retire whether the next guy wants him or not.
|23 weeks 11 hours ago||Allow me to chime in here, in||
Allow me to chime in here, in defense of the OP:
|23 weeks 5 days ago||Dude, this might not be your||
Dude, this might not be your intent, but it sounds like you're taking credit for that being an original idea; that's hogwash. People have been advocating for night games for decades. Yes, there have always been traditionalists who preferred noon starts, but some people have been on the horse for a long time.
|24 weeks 13 hours ago||Hate, hate, hate the||
Hate, hate, hate the Tennessee orange wings on the helmets. Highlighter may not be accurate, but neither is this--the maize I grew up on and that was brilliant in the 90s/early 00s puts this color to shame. It actively bothers me every time I see it on television.
|25 weeks 5 days ago||Michigan didn't just lose six||
Michigan didn't just lose six games. We got smoked, embarrassed, annihilated. It was every bit as ugly as the way the team is playing now. We were flat-out embarrassed by OSU, and in the Bowl that theoretically could have saved RR's job. Recruits were already bailing. It was over.
|25 weeks 5 days ago||RR made some mistakes of his||
RR made some mistakes of his own. It is true that he didn't have the support to hire the staff he wanted; he also did make some bad hires. And his recruiting was only okay, especially on defense. It is quite possible that he will never have the elite kind of defense needed to win national titles.
|25 weeks 6 days ago||Gus is one of many coaches||
Gus is one of many coaches that I would take in a heartbeat but that has no chance of coming here. Zero. Michigan is simply not a good enough job right now to draw someone who is succeeding at a high level at a top SEC program, unless that coach has an existing tie to the school.
|25 weeks 6 days ago||Oregon has a rather wealthy||
Oregon has a rather wealthy backer who will pay whatever it takes to keep Helfrich if Helfrich is worth it. If Knight doesn't pony up, that's a sign that Helfrich isn't thought to be the engine driving the train, and the way they encouraged Mike Bellotti to make way for Chip Kelly shows they have a track record of getting that right. If Helfrich is available, it is a good sign that he's not going to cut it here.
So Helfrich is a Catch-22: If you can get him, you don't want him. If you want him, you can't get him.
|25 weeks 6 days ago||This is plausible, especially||
This is plausible, especially if Brandon is running the search.
It's also a terrible, terrible, terrible idea. He was a complete failure in the pros, and while Rutgers had a good year or two, he still wasn't all that great over there. And the best success he had at Rutgers was basically riding the back of its star running back.
The running back was Ray Rice.
No to Schiano.
|25 weeks 6 days ago||Rats. I had one really||
Rats. I had one really pressing question.
See, hypothetically, how do you grade the Shane Morris post-concussion handoff? Is there a negative RPS? Or just Hoke/Brandon bonus ratings?
"Hoke (-15) sends Morris in due to serious communication errors (Brandon -25). Ref (+3) offers Hoke a timeout, which Hoke (-20) declines. Morris (+2) guts out a handoff without falling over. RPS -3 for having a guy who can barely stand play quarterback. Hard to tell if this is simply total and utter incompetence or a malicious violation of human rights; results based charting. Hoke -25 extra for destroying his team, Brandon -50 for destroying the program."
|26 weeks 3 days ago||Might be worth a call, and I||
Might be worth a call, and I thought about him. He failed at Tennessee, though.
|26 weeks 3 days ago||I think you're doing fine.||
I think you're doing fine. Extra stuff is getting posted; just cleaning out the redundant garbage is enough.
|26 weeks 3 days ago||IMHO as a non-holder, one||
IMHO as a non-holder, one only hurts oneself if you try to boycott the rest of the games in protest.
If I were local, I might consider skipping a game or two, but I wind up missing out on a nice afternoon if I disappear the rest of the season. It can still be fun. But I don't blame people for picking an afternoon or two where they just do something else, though.
|26 weeks 3 days ago||David Shaw. We should give||
David Shaw. We should give him a call. Seriously.
|26 weeks 3 days ago||Logged in just to up vote||
Logged in just to up vote this.
Keep this thread please mods.
|26 weeks 3 days ago||This doesn't make Hoke a||
This doesn't make Hoke a "bad" person. Just an incompetent one. And while I generally don't think things are quite as chaotic or clueless as peanut-gallery fans make things out to be, this is one instance where it seems that either Hoke was stubborn because he yanked Gardner, or completely unable to properly manage the situation.
And both of those are reasons he needs to be fired.
And I think we're approaching the threshold where, even in college where coaches are almost never fired midseason, he may need to be fired in midseason.
|26 weeks 3 days ago||Who can tell? The coaching||
Who can tell? The coaching has clearly been so bad that there's no way to know who is a good player that is poorly coached and who will just never turn out. Theoretically, the players on offense are talented. But they're not playing like it, and there's no telling what a hypothetical new coach will be able to extract from them.
|26 weeks 4 days ago||I defended Brandon for a long||
I defended Brandon for a long time, and this was partly why. There's a whole department that runs here, and I think things look good. The facilities are crisp, the teams are on solid footing, and the budget is good.
And that's a huge problem--this is not Stanford. Football is the engine that drives the train, and if football is unhealthy, the train isn't going anywhere.
And, while people are thrilled with how the basketball team is playing, hockey fans are unhappy with certain changes made at Yost, and I believe there's some leftover angst regarding how longstanding basketball ticketholders were treated. So it's not like everything is perfect there.
|26 weeks 4 days ago||I would guess that neither||
I would guess that neither Harbaugh would ever coach here; however, if we did snag Jim Harbaugh, I really believe that Michigan will win ten games next year at minimum. There are questions about how good the players actually are, but I think they're not nearly as bad as they have looked. A good coach will see immediate results.
|26 weeks 4 days ago||Bacon is, of course, unhappy||
Bacon is, of course, unhappy with the current Athletic Department; reducing him to the level of Drew Sharp is incredibly unfair and inaccurate, and impugns your reputation more than his.
Not sure what you're getting at regarding the coaching issue--most analysts would agree that coaching is a serious problem in the B1G and a major reason why it is struggling so much. Mid-range teams just aren't competitive, and their coaches impress nobody. Kentucky, basketball-first basement dweller of the SEC, is stealing B1G footprint recruits because programs like Illinois and Purdue can't recruit their way out of a paper bag.
Alvarez and Fry both produced outstanding programs in states that have little native football talent, teams that contended for and won B1G titles against strong programs. Alvarez turned Wisconsin from a perennial doormat to a contender that won Rose Bowls against legit top five teams like the Cade McNown UCLA team that nearly played for a national title in '98.
So nothing you're criticizing here makes sense.
|26 weeks 4 days ago||You can't keep a college||
You can't keep a college coach in the last year of his contract. You need to either extend him or let him go; keeping Hoke on without an extension would make him the ultimate lame duck. You think he's a lame duck now? Imagine what it will be like recruiting next year when Kelly and Meyer and Dantonio can tell recruits with total honesty that Hoke won't be around next season.
Some of the anti-Brandon rumors suggest that people still like Hoke and that he could get another year, but if things continue to spiral like this I don't see how that happens. If Miles or a Harbaugh would indeed be interested as some people allege (and if that's the case, boy is that a serious failure) the new AD's second job would be to hire them.
|26 weeks 4 days ago||It is an email to the regents||
It is an email to the regents from a "Michigan Football Captain," but it is not the same thing as the petition that Henson alleges exists. It is pretty clear that it is a different document.
I just checked the article again, Henson has updated with the audio of Bacon, using that as confirmation of the existence of the petition.
|26 weeks 4 days ago||Doesn't he specifically state||
Doesn't he specifically state that the quoted text is from an email he received? There's even talk on the email about "Yale Van Dyne" elaborating further on an issue. (There is a person that could be checked for validity, if its necessary).
|26 weeks 4 days ago||As much as one can praise a||
As much as one can praise a line-by-line parsing of third-hand information heard on a small talk radio station regarding rumors of letters that may be written by former players of a struggling team, this post is quality work.
Now, we need to consider these things about Bacon:
1. He has no affection for the currently Department administration. He would be inclined to be sympathetic to RichRod due to his connection from those years, and of course he has since been shunned by the Department for publishing an unfavorable book.
2. He does, surely, have a lot of contacts from that book and other journalistic work that he has done.
3. He has a vested interest in protecting his journalistic reputation, making it far less likely that he'll just casually recite information he read on a self-confessed rumor blogpost as fact. That's a pretty significant piece of information.
4. This is talk radio, where people say things without the best of filters--so inadvertent stream-of-consciousness statements are a possibility.
My conclusion, given all of this, is that Bacon has heard corroborating information about such a letter. He is pretty fair about its impact--it won't have much--but it sounds like it exists. It is, if nothing else, further evidence that the AD does not treat former players well. Ironic, since "Michigan family values" were not a complaint of the current administration but the previous one.
One thing that needs to be noted, again: The email quoted on Henson's post (I'm not sure what I think about all of it, FWIW) is explicitly not the letter in question, but an email obtained (or possibly received) by Henson. Allegedly.
Michigan Football: We don't break down games, we break down email rumors. Catch the Excitement!
|27 weeks 14 hours ago||Pretty sure I heard a radio||
Pretty sure I heard a radio interview about (or maybe with) Craig Bohl in which it was explained that Wyoming was a good destination for him because, as a small spot, he can use the same system and philosophies there. He's a small-school guy, and it's not clear that he could translate that to Michigan. Looking past many of his other issues, I believe one of RR's problems is that he only knew how to recruit and plan for a school that couldn't get top guys.
Coordinators are tougher to assess because there's a difference between being a good coordinator and a good head coach (oh, hey there Will Muschamp!). It may be that a guy like Narduzzi is best suited for a coordinator job.
|27 weeks 15 hours ago||Then how do teams like USC||
Then how do teams like USC and (when they're good) Miami manage to get such great alumni support? Serious question, not doubting you.
|27 weeks 15 hours ago||You didn't check in after||
You didn't check in after Penn State, did you?
Look, I really appreciate what you're doing this week. It's easy for people to mindlessly fall in line with the general consensus and repeat talking points about why Hoke needs to be fired. There are occasional accusations of groupthink toward Mgoblog, and you are a great demonstration against this. In fact, I'm going to up vote you just to show that I appreciate your independent thought.
But man, are you wrong. People melt down after every loss. The problem here is that Michigan is ever-more-clearly not delivering on its talent. Two years ago there were injuries and a hard schedule. Last year things were unexpectedly shakey. This year... is year four. These are, except for a brilliantly talented fifth-year quarterback, Hoke's players. And they are losing badly to less talented teams.
Every one of these circumstances is another piece of evidence that things won't get better. So we're not just looking at a bad start--we have history showing us that the team is unlikely to improve, that we will probably be embarrassed by our rivals (again!), that we move again will not compete for a title in a conference that is as weak as it has ever been, and that for any of these things to change we must once again go through a disruptive coaching change.
So there you go.
|27 weeks 1 day ago||Don't buy this. He's an||
Don't buy this. He's an embattled coach, that's all. If something were up, we'd already know about it here.
|27 weeks 1 day ago||MAC fans know what they are.||
MAC fans know what they are. Many have loyalties to bigger teams as well as to their MAC school.
FWIW losing doesn't affect me as it used to; but the possibility of a long, un-ending decline that guts a tradition that has always been important to my family is still very frustrating.
|27 weeks 1 day ago||I went to a wedding. Saw a||
I went to a wedding. Saw a few minutes on my WatchESPN app. Was kinda glad that I spent more time listening to the a Tigers game, though I briefly found myself throwing Joe Nathan and Brady Hoke into the same sentences with words like "fire."
I am saddened. I want to care. I want to be excited for football on Saturday. I want to enjoy the sounds and the memories. Right now we face a season of emptiness.
There is a chance I will make it to Michigan in November. Work usually keeps me from traveling in the fall, but I could be in A2 the Saturday of the Maryland game. I used to attend every home game; I haven't attended in 10 years. I could take my two oldest girls, continue a longtime family tradition. Sing the Victors. Show them the commemorative brick my Dad and I got. Talk about how Dad (passed away for some time now) used to take me to games, show them where we used to sit. Watch the drum major do his backbend during the fanfare. See the team take the field. With my children for the first time.
And I'm afraid that much of the experience will be gutted. Morose fans watching a dead-man coach play out the string with players who have nothing left to play for. It's awful.
Fix it or fire it.
|27 weeks 1 day ago||Of course it does, don't||
Of course it does, don't overreact. If Michigan goes 7-1 the rest of the way, they will have improved by necessity and beaten a major rival on the road. That's significant.
Don't overreact. Before the season many people casually figured a 4-loss season would be okay, not considering how lousy we'd feel after an unacceptable loss like Saturday. It is a similar mistake to suggest that a real run of success should not change opinions.
We are discouraged because we don't think Hoke can win the games necessary to save his job; the team looks bad and the track record of improvement just isn't there. However, if that improvement unexpectedly happened, people should and would feel differently. A 7-1 closing stretch would include at least one of the following: A marked improvement in the offense, or a completely dominant defense that annihilates all comers. In either case, something would look really good on the field, and a win over a rival on the road would be huge.
Your skepticism of the team's ability to accomplish this is warranted; your doubt that it would change his job prospects is not.
|27 weeks 2 days ago||So you didn't look very hard.||
So you didn't look very hard. One page down is the thread suggesting thar Hoke receive a graceful exit. You disagree... Which means your voice would have provided useful counterpoint in a thread that is not even 24 hours old.
|27 weeks 3 days ago||His name is suddenly popping||
His name is suddenly popping up, like magic, after an impressive road win.
However, Florida probably gets first dibs, if he's as good as people suddenly think. It's not clear to me that he's an automatic sure thing, though. But if he (or some other hot coaching prospect) is on the table, axing Hoke early could get the ball rolling. But I suspect it will be rolling anyway.
|27 weeks 3 days ago||This is a a pretty bad look||
This is a a pretty bad look for the staff. Well-coached teams play well on special teams. Teams that have offensive challenges thrive on good special-teams play and defense to keep games winnable.
Instead, Hoke again declined to learn a new punt strategy in the offseason, and execution is poor, and it changed the complexion of the entire game.
The strongest evidence against Hoke is that the team has never become good at the things he is supposed to help them be good at.
|27 weeks 3 days ago||He has a 5-star running back,||
He has a 5-star running back, a 4-star quarterback, 4-stars all over the OL, and a 1st-round talent at receiver.
|27 weeks 3 days ago||I have been disappointed with||
I have been disappointed with the offense. Not clear who deserves most of the blame for it, but since offense was a problem before Nuss came, maybe it's not all his fault. Maybe he wants more spread or tempo, but Hoke won't go for it. Who knows?
|27 weeks 3 days ago||I agree for the moment--it is||
I agree for the moment--it is theoretically possible for Michigan to achieve its goals this year, and a 9-3 season in which Michigan beats OSU and improves throughout the year (obviously the latter is necessary for the former) would merit another year.
|27 weeks 3 days ago||Because we're fans. I can||
Because we're fans.
|27 weeks 3 days ago||Good for you. But in a game||
Good for you.
|27 weeks 3 days ago||Dude, I might have a chance||
Dude, I might have a chance to attend the Maryland game, first home game I'd make in 10 years... And I'm worried that attendance will be well under 100,000. If Hoke continues to lose, ticket sales will crater. Michigan will be publicly embarrassed. And DB will have no choice but to fire him.
|27 weeks 4 days ago||My Kant is rusty, but I'm not||
My Kant is rusty, but I'm not seeing where this applies to what Winston said or how he has even disciplined. Indeed, you yourself suggested that Winston's actions were only a problem because of his previous sexual assault allegation, which seems to contradict the principle of universalizability.
|27 weeks 4 days ago||What's the joke? A whole||
What's the joke? A whole bunch of people cared enough about Manziel to avoid drafting him when they had the chance, and honestly they look pretty smart. Winston is dropping because he is a proven risk. Nobody wants to hang the future of the franchise (not to mention their own careers) on a guy who could easily get himself suspended for a chunk of time.
|27 weeks 4 days ago||I think it's repugnant||
I think it's repugnant whether one is accused of rape or not. Pretty neatly sexually objectifies women (some of whom doubtlessly in earshot) while removing their own agency from the equation.
The issue is that FSU and other institutions appear to be making judgments in these matters based mostly upon public opinion. Your small portion of that opinion suggests that Winston should sit; that's fine, and I said pretty clearly that I don't care about him playing. I'm not troubled by the punishment, but by the process which brought it about.
The thing is, you're not addressing my point--the point is that we've crossed a pretty serious line when the careers of people are determined not by inquiry or justice, but by the collective anger of a mob. Because, while you may have this issue right, you could get the next issue wrong.
|27 weeks 4 days ago||The public firestorm is||
The public firestorm is awfully selective. The mob tends to focus on one or two really public controversies and ignore mountains of other problems. For example, Adrian Peterson is in deep water for injuring two of his children... But he has seven by five mothers. Not even his considerable fortune can fully mitigate the additional challenges those kids face in not having their dad residing permanently in the picture.
So the abuse scandals are the current cause célèbre, and the media outlets fall over themselves to open the thesaurus of outrage, and significant issues are whitewashed.
What offenses should result in the total destruction of one's athletic career? Yeah, nobody is going to weep for Ray Rice if he never plays again after what he did. But do we want to make domestic violence an automatic lifetime ban? What about what AP did? People seem perfectly fine with the idea of him not playing again this year, even many fans in Minnesota. But is that the default penalty? Even for someone who hasn't been convicted of anything?
If that's going to be the standard, fine. But let's put it in writing. Ask the player's union how they like it. Right now people are making things up as they go along, thirsty for blood justice. It's "obvious" that AP should be suspended, but no one seems to have supplied so much as a suggestion of how long. A year? Life? Nobody is taking about this. It's just a litany of anger.
|27 weeks 4 days ago||I don't really care whether||
I don't really care whether Winston plays--I'm pretty ambivalent about him given the sexual assault allegations. I think wha he said this week is reprehensible, but that it's also exceedingly common amongst people of his age group. So, whatever.
But I am getting uncomfortable with giving the mob veto power over all questions of discipline and justice. Public opinion is important, but it can be skewed or misguided, and it seems that in the past couple of weeks the level of public outrage toward athletes has reached a crescendo that can sweep far less clear-cut situations into its wake.
Yeah, it's easy to say we don't care now, because initially its just abusers getting the treatment. But what happens when the mob shifts focus? It hasn't always been right, you know. Some parts of the mob wanted, for example, Hank Aaron to stop playing before he he could break Babe Ruth's record.
If public outrage is permitted to become the litmus for all matters of discipline, sooner or later it's going to start rendering some seriously unjust verdicts.
|27 weeks 5 days ago||I just missed co-working TOP||
I just missed co-working TOP by a year, I think--though I was only set-up/take-down crew. Still got a cool shirt, of course.
|27 weeks 6 days ago||2024 and 2027. The seniors||
2024 and 2027.
The seniors in the 2024 game were born during the John Navarre era and are too young to remember Chad Henne, Mike Hart, or Vince Young. The freshmen in the 2027 game were born the year that Tate Forcier brought moxie to Michigan. This is the first season they could have any memory of at all.
Someone old enough to remember the 1997 season will be in their thirties. Someone who played will be in their fifties.
|28 weeks 1 day ago||Right. For years the ABC 3:30||
Right. For years the ABC 3:30 time slot was the big featured matchup, and most other games were on ESPN/ESPN2 at noon. There was also a syndicated game at noon that was picked up by local stations. Most prime time games (before ABC started the prime time slot, they were almost never the best game of the day) were SEC, ACC, etc.
BTN changed a lot; so did ABC's move to a big 8pm game.
|28 weeks 1 day ago||UMD games (division II) are||
UMD games (division II) are at 6pm until later in the year when cold weather recommends a 1pm start.
|28 weeks 1 day ago||Noon games involve setting a||
Noon games involve setting a serious alarm and getting to the stadium tired. Plus: the Wiard's Donuts made sense because when you got there it was still breakfast time anyway.
As we moved into tailgating our noon-game tailgates involved breakfast. Had some good ones, too. You had to at 9am.
|28 weeks 1 day ago||OK, this is good to know.||
OK, this is good to know.
|28 weeks 1 day ago||Why is this unexpected? It||
Why is this unexpected? It was a blah game against a blah team, the kind of adequate but uninspiring squash match Michigan has produced for decades against MAC teams. The win and the boxscore are at most exactly what people expect.
There is nothing Michigan could do to wash out the nasty taste in our mouths from last week, so why pretend otherwise? Things are grim.
That doesn't mean they can't get better. There is real potential for growth on this team, and one would expect a decent season to play out this way. And, as sullen as you may read Brian to be here, he was startlingly un-vicious in his UFR postscripts. He, like many of us, is frustrated but wants to see the season play out.
|28 weeks 1 day ago||It was hard in the Borges era||
It was hard in the Borges era because of the poor OL performance and because Borges philosophies have a tight margin for error.
It was hard in the Lloyd era because Michigan played down to opponents. They would doggedly run into stacked fronts until it was absolutely necessary to pass. Then, when behind, the QBs would set school passing records. Not infrequently in losses.
Football is actually pretty hard. It's easy to forget that the top programs in the country at any given time have some pretty hard moments of their own. Even the mighty Saban Alabama dynasty has some pretty tough games and some dark moments. Remember Saban's stunned rambling into his headset after the Davis return last year?
In truth, it never gets easy. But it will look easier if the OL starts delivering on its recruiting promise.
|28 weeks 1 day ago||I (and, I think, many others)||
I (and, I think, many others) were less upset about that loss than some of our wins. If Michigan hadn't gagged in games against all those other teams, it wouldn't be a big deal at all.
|28 weeks 1 day ago||Concur. Michigan has more||
Concur. Michigan has more talent than Utah. A loss is inexcusable and I don't care how well they're playing.
|28 weeks 1 day ago||The stuff about in-game||
The stuff about in-game experience is troubling.
Obviously the piped-in music has been happening for a while now. I have mostly kept quiet about this, because I loathe piped in music at all sports more than virtually anybody and don't trust myself to be balanced about it.
But no cowbell? No "Go Blue" cross-stadium cheer? No traveling mini-band?
These are essential pieces of the fabric of attending Michigan games. Things you don't get on tv at home. They are part of what separates college football, and particularly Michigan football, from other events.
Or, at least, they were.
And if that is disappearing, it is awful. And it is Dave Brandon's fault.
|28 weeks 3 days ago||The best way to describe it||
The best way to describe it is that they count all of the people who are licensed to be present in the facility.
|28 weeks 3 days ago||Attendance at Michigan||
Attendance at Michigan Stadium has never been calculated based on tickets scanned/torn. Few facilities even do it that way.
|28 weeks 3 days ago||Things have change a lot in||
Things have change a lot in 13 years. I wondered out loud if the announcer said that line in 2001 against Illinois, which due to being rescheduled was under-attended. This is back when Michigan always said it. Thing is, I was at Tennessee-LSU that night and that game had a larger draw.
Now, with Michigan's low attendance, it's not a sure thing. I'm glad Carl had the good sense not to pretend otherwise.
|28 weeks 3 days ago||This team is talented enough||
This team is talented enough to win nine games with maybe two or three of them even being close.
If they can't, well, it's not on the players...
|28 weeks 3 days ago||Yes, and those tickets are||
Yes, and those tickets are all sold and count toward the attendance number.
There's a reason why the row feels more packed against MSU and OSU, and it's not the winter clothes--there are actually more people there, nobody no-shows.
|28 weeks 5 days ago||It's the volume; my apologies||
It's the volume; my apologies for singling you out. McMurtry is less balanced here.
Hinton holds Mgoblog in the highest regard and evidently considers Brian an authoritative voice on the subject. Given the scope of the topic (Michigan facing more mediocrity, and the fanbase's reaction to it), why not lean on Brian's thoughts? Brian does some of the best single-team work of any writer of any team.
There are a lot of comments here taking shots at the article for no reason, and I really think they're being unfair. Hinton is giving Joe Average College Football Fan in Texas or North Carolina or Oregon an interesting Cliff's Notes-writeup of what is happening with one of the sports's (traditionally) premiere teams.
|28 weeks 5 days ago||Well, if he had written it||
Well, if he had written it for Mlive or The Wolverine, that would be a legit beef.
But he's a national writer on a rather significant website writing for a national audience. And, surprising as it may be, most national college football fans are not checking Mgoblog all day.
So, in a gesture that can only be considered high praise, he consults Brian for insight. And the result is pretty good. Honestly, people will complain about anything. Are we just upset that our best blog comments weren't block-quoted? C'mon. It's a good article written for people who don't have four-digit MgoPoint totals.
|29 weeks 7 hours ago||Actually, Woodson didn't have||
Actually, Woodson didn't have the greatest reputation following his first Oakland stint. Some people whose opinions I would normally respect raked the Packers over the coals for signing him, based on his production and his perceived work ethic.
I believe Woodson has been quoted as saying that he wished he took things more seriously early in his NFL career. He sure has recovered nicely.
|29 weeks 7 hours ago||Me too. Wouldn't have||
Me too. Wouldn't have surprised me for him to go as long as Lloyd did. No telling if there would be a 1997 in there, but Mo sure did field some terrific teams.
|29 weeks 7 hours ago||Actually the 1977 16-0 loss||
Actually the 1977 16-0 loss at Minnesota when ranked #1 much later might be worse.
|29 weeks 7 hours ago||Isn't this a different||
Isn't this a different category? The Miami loss sure was heartbreaking, but I don't think anyone can think it to be "bad" or "embarrassing." Notre Dame and Miami finished 1 and 2 that season, and Michigan came within whiskers of beating both.
Bo's "worst" loss was probably the 1981 opener at unranked Wisconsin, squandering a #1 ranking.
|29 weeks 7 hours ago||That Tennessee team was||
That Tennessee team was absolutely loaded that season. They came oh-so-close to playing in the national title game and played up to their potential against a relatively undermanned Michigan team that was rebuilding.
Casey Clausen was an excellent college QB even if he didn't pan out in the pros. At receiver they had stars Kelley Washington and Donte Stallworth, as well as the aforementioned Jason Witten at TE. Travis Stephens was a monster RB. This is NFL-caliber talent at every skill position.
Michigan that year had RS sophomore John Navarre, a mediocre running game (Chris Perry was not very good that year, and BJ Askew was only okay), Marquise Walker, and nothing else. The defense was sub-par by Lloyd standards, too. It was an ugly game, but it was also one of Lloyd's least-talented teams against a team that was one of the best not to make the title game in the BCS era.
|29 weeks 11 hours ago||Pregame headline: "Mack Brown||
Pregame headline: "Mack Brown eyes revenge."
|29 weeks 1 day ago||A major point of Haden's||
A major point of Haden's argument is that recruits were bailing, which may have been true. It also may become a problem here.
For me, the main reason not to change early is that the key games are in November and I think it's fair to give Hoke a chance to win them, barring total meltdown before then. And I think there's a chance he could do it. We are speculating on an end-of-season decision without the evidence of most of the season here.
|29 weeks 1 day ago||Oh, I totally agree that this||
Oh, I totally agree that this is not going to change mid-game. I am talking about establishing the working procedure of the offense throughout the week and the season--Hoke is quite capable of saying, at the beginning of the year, that he wants things to move quickly. The staff then develops the procedure to make it happen, and that is practiced by the team.
Hoke can change things now, if he'd like. He doesn't want to, which is why Brian lays blame on him.
|29 weeks 1 day ago||Erm, what game are we talking||
Erm, what game are we talking about here? MSU was our first loss in 2010' a dispiriting 34-17 washout that crushed what had been up to that time heady dreams of grandeur for a ranked Michigan team riding Denard's as-yet-unrestrained flapping shoelaces. Things started falling apart quickly, but MSU was the first crack in the armor.
EDIT: You were talking about being present at the Wisconsin game, not the MSU game. My error.
|29 weeks 1 day ago||Here's what will improve||
Here's what will improve it:
Hoke saying, "get the team up to the line, calling alignments, by :20 to go." Or, "at least two series in the first half should be unscripted no-huddle." Or, "tempo whenever we are behind."
If Hoke says it, it will happen. The coaches are smart guys, they'll find a way to make it work.
|29 weeks 1 day ago||So, they lose to MSU and OSU||
So, they lose to MSU and OSU yet again (some of us hate losing to them ever), PLUS two other losses? Who are they going to lose to that is going to be acceptable to the paying customers? Utah and Penn State? Minnesota and Northwestern? Which one of these losses will fans just shrug off and say, "oh well?"
None of them. This is RichRod total fanbase rebellion territory. 7 wins will result in an outcry from fans and donors and will result in a sharp drop in ticket sales.
People really are prejudiced against Brandon. He does stuff we don't like, but he is a businessman and if Hoke is destroying his most important product, Brandon will not retain him.
|29 weeks 1 day ago||Re: many people wondering how||
Re: many people wondering how Hoke can be responsible for the slow tempo:
He's the head coach. If he tells Nuss, "I want them at the line identifying the Mike with 20 seconds to go," Nuss will make it happen. If he says, "I want to go no huddle any time we're down three scores," Nuss will make it happen.
Hoke has not done those things. It's his prerogative, but it's also his choice.
|29 weeks 1 day ago||I don't think 8-4 can be||
I don't think 8-4 can be tolerated. I see regular board folks suggest that 8-4 is both likely and reasonably acceptable. Brian is right that this blowout changes how it would be viewed, but...
It wouldn't be viewed well anyway. Because 8-4 means Michigan loses on the road to a team it is way better than (say, Rutgers or Northwestern) or at home to a team compared to which they have both more talent and Hoke's vital home field advantage.
Michigan is more talented than nine teams on its schedule. It should beat all nine. Failure to do so would result in... meltdown.
Seriously, Saturday was a pretty major meltdown. Penn State last year, on the road, in a close game, the first loss of the season, was an all-time board meltdown and bad elsewhere too.
Regular fans, not just the ones that post on message boards, will not take kindly to losing to teams that Michigan should beat. If it happens at home, the boos will come fast and hard. Frankly, if Michigan doesn't score a TD on at least one of the first two possessions Saturday, they'll start then. If Michigan struggles against Minnesota, the boos will be there. If they look bad at night against Penn State, the boos will be there.
Hoke has to win 9.
Now, it's possible it could happen--the OL is rebuilding, and the defense is learning, and for all we know all this teaching will finally catch in the last half of the year and the team will look good. But the pressure is on.
|29 weeks 1 day ago||Briles would be risky. Now,||
Briles would be risky. Now, he's the kind of risk that might pay off (imagine what this program would look like if Michigan had taken a risk on Harbaugh after Carr retired) but he is still a risk. His offense is dynamite, but it also suffers peculiar dry spells in big games. Remember, last season their early schedule was a cakewalk, but when they started playing tough opponents, things weren't moving so smoothly.
Even if the offense can work consistently (and it may well do so), a larger issue with bringing Briles here is recruiting: Briles has zero connection to recruiting in the upper midwest. Yeah, Michigan might get a couple of Texas recruits, but Briles wasn't drawing the best guys from there, either. Connections to high school programs in Michigan and Ohio are the lifeblood of Michigan recruiting. RichRod did not have that, and that was a major contributor to talent shortages in his term; Hoke has it, and gets great players.
I think it's telling that Briles was never a serious candidate at Texas. They're not stupid--if he was going to be the next big thing, he'd probably be coaching there.
|29 weeks 1 day ago||Actually, I think Hoke's||
Actually, I think Hoke's ceiling is a Mack Brown-type of situation. Brown was a great recruiter who was not known as a great development coach; he delegated responsibility for specific areas, he was willing to change philosophies when necessary, and he peaked riding a great player to a fantastic, deserved national championship.
Hoke is a recruiter and a delegator. In this sense they are quite similar. Whether Hoke can coax true winning quality out of his staff and players remains very much open to question.