Peppers at 10, which seems low.
|1 day 13 hours ago||I think we've got a shot at||
I think we've got a shot at the upset against Rutgers this year, even on the road. Rivalry game and all.
|1 day 17 hours ago||That's fine for the Eastern||
That's fine for the Eastern Michigans of the world (they don't belong in FBS/1-A anyway) but there are a lot of teams in the Houston-Cincinnatti-BYU-Boise realm that would love to move up and can't that would be jilted if that were to occur. They would make quite the stink if they were eliminated. They've already made quite the stink about a lot of the rules changes that have come across the pike. Anti-trust lawsuits are a legitimate threat if moves are made without their consent.
Granted, I think in principle your idea has a lot of merit, an acknowledgement of what is really going on anyway, but getting to that point is tricky.
|1 day 18 hours ago||Good analysis, though I||
Good analysis, though I disagree with some of your conclusions. The bulls number font uses serifs in similar ways, but it is not quite as slim and efficient as Michigan's in my opinion. And FWIW that fuzzy mannequin picture does not seem to have letters that are as slim as either Michigan's old font or the font you have in your post. Much wider, ungainly, ugly. It might not be a thing at all, of course.
Since the 2 is the number of one of our most iconic players and part of the number (21) in another one of our most iconic players, I consider it a pretty big deal.
Good write-up, though. We will have to see.
|1 day 18 hours ago||A straight top-6 playoff from||
A straight top-6 playoff from last year's rankings would have been:
1. Clemson - bye
2. Alabama - bye
A top-8 straight bracket would have added Ohio State and Notre Dame--three B1G teams in the tournament. Michigan finished ranked #14 in the playoff committee rankings FWIW. #9 and #10, the first two out, were FSU and North Carolina. Houston, the highest ranked mid-major, finished #18.
My 8-team playoff, with five major autobids, an autobid to the best mid-major, and 2 at-larges (relevant: I would not allow one conference to get both at-larges):
#8 Houston AT #1 Clemson
#7 Notre Dame AT #2 Alabama
#6 Stanford AT #3 Michigan State
#5 Iowa AT #4 Oklahoma
Left out: Ohio State as the second Big Ten team, Florida State as the next at large. Without Houston as an autobid, Florida State gets in, but I think both from fairness/entertainment and avoidance of antitrust suits Houston needs that bid. If one conference is permitted to occupy both at-large spots, Ohio State bumps Notre Dame, which would totally invalidate the B1G season but would be a much more exciting game.
As it is, the only game listed there that really moves the needle is Stanford at Michigan State, with maybe a slight chance of Houston showing well at Clemson. Notre Dame and Iowa would be demolished, though.
|1 day 18 hours ago||Every playoff and non-playoff||
Every playoff and non-playoff scenario has problems. What you've described is an imbalance, but not nearly as bad as what used to be the difference between #2 and #3, and in both cases those teams get home games in Brian's scenario.
I have elsewhere declared that if an 8-team playoff is a necessary evil, the best option is to strongly prioritize conference champions by making 6 of them automatic berths. However, I don't think that can totally cut it; there has to be an at-large or two for a situation where a really good team gets stuck with a road game in a division with another really good team. We could well find ourselves in that situation someday.
Of course, that makes games like LSU-Bama, Clemson-FSU, and Stanford-Oregon elimination games, which ups the ante. That's why I like smaller playoffs. But you have to have an at large here or there somewhere.
|1 day 18 hours ago||I've seen stuff about this,||
I've seen stuff about this, and I know Chip Kelly is big on it as well. I think the value to capturing data on football players (eventually, all of them) is almost limitless, particularly for injuries. One of the problems with making rules to address head injuries is that we don't really know what particular actions are the culprit beyond "playing football" and thus leadership cannot act properly. And when they do act it can be seen as petty or "wussification" because people don't see things the same way.
Better data equals better choices. And ultimately safer players.
|1 day 19 hours ago||First, Title IX is an issue||
First, Title IX is an issue here; second, it's bad for the sport and potentially bad for the players. It's bad for the sport because you have the big dogs taking even more of the best talent, since they don't have to focus on a few players but can basically just recruit everybody they like. So teams like Mississippi State and Texas Tech and Iowa get even more of a raw deal.
And it's bad for the players because more go to these schools thinking they have a chance to play, never see the school, and either transfer out or graduate. With unlimited scholarships a school has no incentive to worry about a guy panning out. They can work with them, coach them up, and if they don't show starting potential, forget about them and move on to the next guy. It's better for the players to go to a school that has an interest in them working out from the beginning.
|1 day 19 hours ago||Electronic tracking of players and footballs||
One thing that I think both levels of football should develop:
Put sensors on footballs and on players.
There are so many games that have crucial moments decided by a naked-eye spot by a referee that is himself moving at the time the ball is dead. An inch or two of human error here or there is the difference between a first down and a fourth, a touchdown and a turnover, and so on. And part of the problem is that replay reviews rarely ever conclusively change spots.
I heard that the NFL is experimenting with placing a microchip in a football for an exhibition game or something. This needs to move forward and fast. The technology either exists or nearly exists to place a simple sensor and transmitter inside a regulation football, and to at the same time plot out its location on a millimeter perfect plot of the football field. This would allow replay officials to identify the exact location of the ball at any point in time (for example, when a knee is visually judged to be down but the ball is not visible on goal-line plays). This can easily be coordinated with sensors on first-down markers and so on.
The ball needs to be wired and the information needs to be available to officials.
Regarding players, I think it would be wise to track their movements with at least an accelerometer to learn what G-forces are involved in their collisions. Drifting back to my discussion of head injuries, it's a serious consideration for the future of the sport.
Wire the players (maybe just their helmets?), gather data. Much of the conventional wisdom regarding injuries is hampered by the fact that there just isn't data. The move to reduce kickoff returns, for example--what are the stats regarding injuries on kickoff returns as opposed to other plays? I haven't seen any.
Gather the data. And, as trends become clear, find ways to address them. For example, if it becomes clear that players who endure, say, a 25-G collision (that number is absolute hogwash, a total guess) make up 60% of diagnosed concussion cases, real-time tracking of collisions can prompt a neutral medical official to page a sideline to pull a player who has just been involved in such a collision to check him for a concussion. In another example, if a certain type of play clearly produces more of these collisions (a crossing route into a zone defense, for example) rules can be tweaked to reduce that element of the play.
But you need data.
And if the technology doesn't yet exist, set aside some of these massive millions and offer them as a bounty or a commission to a University that develops it. This should be right up the Big Ten's alley, right?
|1 day 20 hours ago||Football is an||
Football is an extraordinarily popular sport whose major threat is not reduced popularity or competition in the market but a complete meltdown prompted by serious legal attack of either corruption, unfair labor practices, or unsafe conditions.
Because of this, football (college and pro) must pro-actively stay ahead of problems like paying players (note how quickly things began to change when Northwestern talked about unionizing) and serious head injuries. The widening knowledge of head injuries and its impact on the lives of players is a serious, serious issue, and a threat to the game.
So the sport must be proactive. And that means cutting down on violent collisions that have a propensity to cause head injuries, detected or otherwise. And lead-with-your-head tackles are a major source of those impacts.
Eliminating targeting is not an option. However, expanding the rule is, and that may be what is necessary.
I enjoy huge hits. I don't want guys to have to change the way they play, but they may have to. The worse collisions must be limited for their own safety. And if that means they change the way they tackle to avoid penalties, so be it. The penalties may need to be more common, more consistent, more likely, rather than less. That will change the way people play.
|1 day 20 hours ago||The changes here are mostly||
The changes here are mostly small, some of them relating only to statistics, which correlates well with my impression that college football in the stadium is a near-perfect sport. (The out-of-the-stadium stuff, well, we tolerate it because there are 12 fall Saturdays of perfection).
College football overtimes are weird in the way that they start at the 25, but I'm not sure that starting at the 35 exactly fixes anything. A 42-yard field goal is no sure thing, so a 52-yarder is just a more marginal version of the same. You will have a few more teams going for it on 4th-and-7 from the 32, I guess.
I'm all in favor of home games for the playoffs (am I ever) and the Rose Bowl as a permanent title game, but that scenario will never happen. First, because it is politically unfeasable. Second, because a play-in round is just too unbalanced. A winning team may advance having lost a QB to an ACL injury; alternatively, the host teams could be surprisingly rusty playing against a team that had just played the week before.
I am saddened that the sport's brilliant regular season will continue to be diminished by playoff expansion, but as long as there are 5 major conferences and 4 spots (plus all the underdog mid-major hopes) it is unsustainable. At this point, my main goal with an inevitable 8-team playoff is to mitigate the damage by guaranteeing 6 slots to the 5 major conference champions plus the highest-ranked mid-major champ, with only two at-larges for Notre Dame, LSU, and OSU to fight over after we win the B1G.
An FCS exhibition sound interesting but since it is an exhibition it will be, essentially, an NFL preseason game. And that would be pretty cheesy. The upside of playing redshirted players would be more than offset by the downside of opening the season with a meanginless, half-attended game.
|1 day 20 hours ago||I am going to be quite||
I am going to be quite unhappy if they change the (basically perfect) number font. I'm already not pleased with the B1G logo, though that's not that much of a bump from having a manufacturer logo on the jersey.
Basically the optimal uniform will have the same number font, a quality blue jersey, minimal extras, a small block M on the pant hip (that's my preference, anyway, though I understand not everybody agrees) and the maize we wore in the early 00s before things started to drift.
Anything else will be substandard. We have a perfect uniform.
That said, I am ok with some limited experimentation on the road jerseys. My preference is a jersey similar to what we got starting in 1997; the maize piping and maize dart jerseys from the late Nike and early-mid Adidas eras were substandard. I would also enjoy a continuation of the white pants, perhaps in rotation with the maize pants on the road.
|2 days 14 hours ago||Recruits aren't the only ones||
Recruits aren't the only ones that matter, but they matter a lot.
Why? Because recruits turn into players, and players win games. And no design, no logo, no color is going to do a better job of selling products than winning games will.
I don't live in the Twin Cities, but even when I visit I rarely see University of Minnesota gear. And I almost never see it up here in Duluth, 2 hours and change away. It's not the designs or the logos or the colors that are the problem; the problem is that people aren't excited about the Gophers because the Gophers don't win.
It is certainly arguable whether or not a particular logo will influence a recruit to go to a school. But if a school is the sort of place where the athlete's opinions are going to matter in that (relatively meaningless) way, it may seem like a more attractive, friendly place. And even if it's not the logo that does it, it is potentially part of a mentality that has the potential to draw more recruits.
And recruits make teams. And teams win games. And wins sell shirts.
|2 days 14 hours ago||Analyzing the "why" of things||
Analyzing the "why" of things like this is tricky. When you get into the realm of top-end athletic performance, little things, genetic gifts, training patterns from childhood, wind up making permanent differences. It could be that his ability to track and process visually is just not as sharp as other top-end OLs (issue for quarterbacks as well). Not that he's slow, because it's nothing one would ever notice in regular life tasks, but an issue there.
Or it could be that the messy coaching (and perhaps who knows what else in his own life and career) he has gotten has done a lot of damage, so that he's still spending time thinking out there about what needs to be done. Sure, you could say "but he's had four years," and you'd be right. But three of those years were under Brady Hoke and his cast of inadequates. And Kalis, while afforded lots of first-team practice reps, also had to play in games early enough that he had to learn to cope with game speed quickly.
I don't know. People grow at different speeds. Not everybody is cut out to be an NFL OL, and there are various reasons for that. Why do some QBs just never seem to pick up progression instincts despite working as hard as others? Why do some WRs and DBs just never seem to build that key agility and explosiveness despite working as hard as others?
It's the mystery of talent and work.
|2 days 15 hours ago||It's possible from a||
It's possible from a motivational standpoint, but I am less confident that it would ever happen. Combine some expected improvement with the experience they have and my guess is that they stand pat.
But I've been wrong before.
|2 days 15 hours ago||The profile view of the||
The profile view of the helmet stripes, you mean? In that sense similar, although the shirt you're thinking of had the helmet stripes printed maize-on-maize (there was enough contrast they were plenty visible) on the shirt. '03 sounds about right, but either way I think the design we're thinking of was the first annual student tshirt.
FWIW this design is terrific, and so good that I might overlook the fact that it is nearly orange and get one anyway.
|2 days 15 hours ago||So the kinks are not ironed||
So the kinks are not ironed out of the OL even on an otherwise great offensive day. Brian's instinct for sniffing trouble in the OL is pretty good, so I might be underrating how much of a questionmark the OL will be.
Still, Drevno and Harbaugh are about as good as you can get in ability to teach and coach. If Newsome can be ok and Kalis or Mags can make a Leap (not out of the question) we've got ourselves a solid line.
Mostly what I thought, reading this, though:
Is it September yet
|4 days 10 hours ago||TW: Beating Dead Horse||
*pokes head up quietly*
Love the real color of maize there, wish we'd go back to it.
|4 days 19 hours ago||Florida UFR? I forgot||
Florida UFR? I forgot everything else I just read.
And apparently so did everybody else.
|5 days 17 hours ago||This is just all kinds of||
This is just all kinds of awful. I heard that a punter for LSU was in the crash, too. Cuts across many schools and many groups of people.
|6 days 22 hours ago||The best thing about this||
The best thing about this heat wave, the first one we've had this summer (except for a random 93 degree day in early May when we were the hottest place in the nation) is that the heat wave came on the heels of the worst windstorm in years, knocking power out for over half the city.
Oh, wait: that's the worst thing. This is our third day without electricity thanks to a tree fall on the powerline next door. It's been fun.
|6 days 22 hours ago||That was my commute for three||
That was my commute for three years, Lancaster to Tarzana. Stink. Have some friends in that area, too.
|6 days 22 hours ago||FWIW I am always one to||
FWIW I am always one to appreciate the high road. After all, I consider the command to "turn the other cheek" important.
Fun fact: "Turning the other cheek" is a response to an insult (it's the right cheek, and as written to a majority right-handed culture a right cheek could only be struck right-handed by the back of the hand, an insult) rather than an injury. If they are harming a legitimate business, that's not just an insult to your wife. It is injurious. And ethically you are not "lowering" yourself to pursue legal remedies.
Take the lead, make some effort at least with law enforcement. Spend the time on the phone yourself as much as possible. Your wife will probably appreciate it.
|1 week 21 hours ago||Everyone is remembering his||
Everyone is remembering his epic Bears rant, and that came to my mind too.
It's a bit of a shame, because Green was a long-tenured coach that produced teams like the magnificent 1998 Vikings. He was quite good.
But that rant is just sooooo quotable...
|1 week 21 hours ago||Weird double post||
|1 week 21 hours ago||Your snide joke about CC||
Your snide joke about CC aside, that IS an important question. If these are all friends of Elliott's, they may have a vested interest in him not getting kicked out of the League.
Right now there's no way to know. Too much of this is just rumor and speculation right now.
|1 week 22 hours ago||Meyer has a history of||
Meyer has a history of abusing his wife and/or encouraging his players to abuse their significant others? I wasn't aware of this.
|1 week 2 days ago||They didn't "struggle"||
They didn't "struggle" against App State and Oregon. They were embarrassed.
Purdue was never the same kind of offense. Other than the label "spread" it bore little resemblance to the zone read option packages Michigan never learned to defend.
Michigan had the talent to compete for national titles and didn't. Michigan had the talent to consistently post 1 or 2 loss seasons and did so only once. Michigan had the talent to win convincingly against teams like UCLA in 2000, Washington in 2001, Notre Dame in 2002, Oregon and Iowa in 2003, Notre Dame in 2004, everybody in 2005, and App State in 2007. But they lost. They always lost. At least one headscratcher every year, without fail.
The Cap One Bowl win against Florida was glorious; it was also a capstone of everything Carr should have done in the 2000s and didn't, a final statement of what he could have been capable of but never achieved. He was a B coach.
|1 week 2 days ago||Really? First of all, Henne||
First of all, Henne and Hart were both proven sophomores in 2005 who had produced well the previous season, so starting them wasn't a stretch at all.
Second, in that era we had:
Chad Henne, future NFL starter; Mike Hart, future multiple-record-holder for Michigan; Steve Breaston; Mario Manningham; Adrian Arrington; Lamar Woodley; Alan Branch; David Harris; Leon Hall; and Jake Long. That's a huge amount of talent. And Michigan's recruiting rankings from that era (pretty consistently top five and top ten) back this up.
The problem was coaching. Yes, there was a falloff in recruiting late, but the idea that a few key position holes would have fixed everything is simply implausible.
And the proof is in the pudding. From 2000-2007, Michigan could not get out of its own way. Except for 2006, they always lost at least one head-scratcher that they had no business losing. They got outcoached and outmaneuvered by Tressel. They squandered loaded rosters against teams with no more talent than they with consistently simplistic gameplans. They could not grow or develop new gameplans or adapt to new styles.
Even 2003 and 2006, the "good" years, were disappointments. Because they were outcoached.
|1 week 2 days ago||I think the point is that it||
I think the point is that it would be great to get all three. Could I handle that? Yes I could.
|1 week 2 days ago||Unconventional isn't the end||
Unconventional isn't the end of the world. Keep at it.
Talking can help a bit. There are people you know willing to listen, here or elsewhere.
|1 week 2 days ago||Smart choice. And loving your||
Smart choice. And loving your wife is one of the best things you can do for your kids.
|1 week 2 days ago||I think you are||
I think you are oversimplifying larger structural issues into a handful of players. In fact, I think that was a huge problem with the late Carr era--every season the idea was that Michigan would finally get over the hump if they just fixed this one problem or that one problem.
But the coaches were not capable of doing so. Yeah, there were depth problems at corner. That's one position. That simply cannot explain or excuse the complete meltdowns at the end of 2006, or the totaly inability to even show up against any kind of spread offense a full 7 years after being embarrassed by it in Evanston.
The coaches were inadequate. They could not fix their weaknesses nor amplify their strengths to combat them. And a half decade of astonishing NFL-quality talent was wasted.
|1 week 2 days ago||It adds to the difficulty,||
It adds to the difficulty, yes. I counsel marriages with those sorts of situations.
But it is not impossible.
That said, it is obviously impossible for me to give truly helpful advice, since I know nothing about you or your family. No rudeness understood in your detailing of areas in which I lack knowledge.
|1 week 2 days ago||You're probably not looking||
You're probably not looking for in-depth advice, and I don't know anything about the existing dynamic.
But for starters, if casual stuff is what you have, relish that. I was close with my Dad, but there were times when I was young that I was rebelling against him. But we still had football to watch and that was important.
And try to find something in common to do together. Even if it is really just watching a game.
I feel trite even saying stuff like this. I don't know your situation, after all.
But my Dad has been gone for 13 years and I would give my left arm to talk to him again.
|1 week 2 days ago||Mid-90s did not have a darker||
Mid-90s did not have a darker shade of maize. If that's what you saw on television, you saw a picture that was inaccurate. The maize of the 90s in no way resembles the maize of 2015.
|1 week 2 days ago||On this you are correct: The||
On this you are correct: The original version of the fieldturf field and the old M Club banner were a darker color.
They also never resembled what was worn by the team. It always bothered me, to be honest, but only because the field and banner colors were so dark.
|1 week 2 days ago||Changing jobs isn't going to||
Changing jobs isn't going to improve your domestic life. If you two aren't happy in life, there are ways to improve that. Your family can yet be a source of joy and satisfaction.
It's easy for me to say, of course. But it is possible.
|1 week 2 days ago||Minnesota does not and has||
Minnesota does not and has never worn a color of yellow that is the same as Iowa. Now, their pants are a bit lighter than their numbers, but if you look closely at pics from that Minnesota-Iowa game you will see that the "M" on the side of the Minnesota helmets is way, way darker than the logo and numbers worn by Iowa players.
Michigan's maize is still lighter than Minnesota's "gold," but it is closer now. It does very much resemble Iowa's yellow. And this has not been the case in over 30 years.
|1 week 2 days ago||Prudent readers will recall||
Prudent readers will recall that Dave Brandon (remember him?) was specifically quoted about altering the color of maize several years ago, and this is what he meant. Brian (who likes the darker color) lauded the choice.
Note that the uniforms last year matched the helmets, which were actually changed the year before despite the uniforms maintaining the same color.
|1 week 2 days ago||He didn't wear orange-y and||
He didn't wear orange-y and he didn't wear white pants.
Pursuant to Haze's post above, I'm linking this diary I wrote last year. It handily uses in-photo contrast to differentiate between Michigan's authentic, 90s-00s maize from the Iowa shades of yellow we now wear.
|1 week 2 days ago||I'm right with you on the||
I'm right with you on the color maize, and I've written extensively about it. I hate the new darker version.
I wish it were different, but the images (particularly of the blue shirts) appear to have the Iowa yellow in them. I'm pessimistic.
|1 week 2 days ago||Washington is getting hype||
Washington is getting hype because they have some promising talent and a coach in Christ Peterson that is thought to be very good. However, they have not yet shown a serious upgrade on the field; they seem more analogous to Michigan last year, with a coach and some guys that were good recruits, albeit Michigan's 2014 was pitiful.
It's not that they can't emerge, but it's a lot dicier. There is real quality in the Pac 12 that even a good Washington team could lose to. It seems like their best scenario is a solid season with one major upset and something like 9 wins, re-establishing them as a force.
Tennessee has talent and it has chaos and it has Mike Debord. I have no idea what they will do this year. I think Georgia is a real threat to them in the division even if they're good, and there's simply no way they have more than a puncher's chance to win the SEC championship game even if they make it.
The key thing about Washington and Tennessee is that they are in positions where it won't surprise anyone if they don't win the conference. Both would need at least a couple of teams to spit the bit and a major upset of their own to pull it off. So neither team necessarily has to look at a 9-3 or 10-2 season without a championship game appearance as a blow.
I don't believe Michigan is in the same position. MSU is replacing key skill and quantity on both sides of the ball; OSU just saw off one of its great generations of players. Michigan has the experience and the coaching and the track record of growth, particularly on defense. We are supposed to be good this year.
9-3 would be a terrible disappointment this season for us.
|1 week 2 days ago||There's more to life than||
There's more to life than money.
But money isn't bad, and career-wise it seems reasonable to think that teaching will still be there to go back to if you don't like what you move to or it doesn't work out.
Much larger considerations are things like family, home, personal attachment to your community, that sort of thing. If you have kids with friends in school and a home you like and things you do outside of work that bring joy and fulfillment, that's worth a lot more than money and would have to be weighed carefully.
OTOH if you are, say, single with no kids living in a decent but unspectacular apartment and you're indifferent to the place you live, well, this quite the opportunity.
|1 week 2 days ago||"Follow your heart" is a very||
"Follow your heart" is a very overrated notion. Our feelings are unreliable and often lead us in directions that are against our best interests.
My main regret is just following whatever feelings or lack thereof I had for years in high school and early college. Wasted a lot of time, endured a lot of self-inflicted heartache, rotted out my character for no good reason.
Not regretted at all: Change of life priority in 2002. Marrying my wife. Having my kids. Pursuing my calling/vocation.
|1 week 2 days ago||"Closely resemble..." I find||
"Closely resemble..." I find that hard to believe. And the pics seem to confirm this will continue to be the "new" maize that is really basically the same as Iowa's conventional yellow. We'll see what actually happens.
|1 week 4 days ago||BTW, that 1997 team against||
BTW, that 1997 team against Hinton's calculus?
1. Great recruiting classes. Unverifiable but evident: Check.
2. First-term head coach: Check
3. Killer DL: Check
4. Great Secondary: CHECK
5. Creative scoring: Check
Caveat about the myth of experienced quarterbacks? Griese had started before, of course, but was never the first-choice guy until 1997. Kind of check there, too.
|1 week 4 days ago||The "unquestionable" fact was||
The "unquestionable" fact was the coaching of the offense as a whole, where Harbaugh/Drevno are an upgrade over anything offered in the Carr years. Obviously, Michigan's OL play was excellent for most of the Carr era, but Drevno has both the pedigree and the track record to suggest that his OLs will be as good as any in the country going forward.
The 1997 running game featured Chris Howard and Clarence Williams with freshman Anthony Thomas getting occasional cameos. It was adequate; it was not awesome. They spent a lot of time just running the ball into the line. Our memories of 1997 are so (rightly) fond that we forget how limited the team was on offense. Games against substantially inferior opponents were theoretically "in touch" far longer than one would expect.
The key is that the 1997 team was the one instance in Carr's career where the offense never needed to be anything more than that. When you have that defense bearing down on the opponents with Woodson at the back, punting was almost never a bad idea.
I expect this year's offense to perform at a consistently higher level. Some of that has to do with the era, but I would be surprised if they ranked as low in points-per-game as 1997 did (48th out of 112).
|1 week 4 days ago||UMD football, because it's||
UMD football, because it's local and because they are perennially good.
I used to be sort of a sideways fan of LSU when they were underdogs. I still prefer them in the SEC, but the, um, suspected corruption makes it less enjoyable. Still, their home games are a blast to watch.
|1 week 4 days ago||That's the whole point of||
That's the whole point of WD's post, that Gary is awesome *and* the team is so awesome that we aren't hanging all of our hopes for the season on him.
In contrast with times where one or two bright spots were all we had to look forward to under the helm of certain former coaches.
|1 week 4 days ago||The OL really SHOULD be fine||
The OL really SHOULD be fine this season. Yeah, some of its components haven't developed as well as we had hoped. And the history is not great. But this line is now both experienced and unquestionably well-coached. They should be fine.
Apart from that, the '97 comparisons are inevitable and in one form or another have been used on every single Michigan team since, with the possible exception of 2008 (though I didn't follow the preseason discussion that closely). From a strong D standpoint that is correct; I actually think our offense has more potential than the 1997 offense by a good margin. 1996 and 1997 were actually Lloyd Carr's least talented offenses in the skill positions by a significant margin.
This year's offense has a first-round draft pick at TE and a future NFL player in Chesson. And real strength everywhere else, given the questionmark at QB. And it is much better coached.
|1 week 4 days ago||Be sure to read the content.||
Be sure to read the content. Hinton is referring to the ability to produce scores in ways not covered by base offense, such as special teams and turnovers.
An above post mentioned the Chesson return, but neglected the Lewis Pick-Six. I am hopeful that the defense's talent and aggression translates into a lot of "creative" scores, as it were. The potential is there, we'll have to see what happens on the field.
|1 week 4 days ago||I laughed. But...||
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|1 week 4 days ago||Agreed on recruiting. The||
Agreed on recruiting. The lower average of the class speaks to the challenges of next season; this year looks pretty good.
|1 week 4 days ago||I don't feel the need to pop||
I don't feel the need to pop into every thread about those teams. I usually ignore them.
But when they come up, say, in a discussion about recruiting, I prefer intellectual honesty to demogoguery and empty-headed rival bashing. So I will, when the subject is at hand, grant that Michigan State continues to be excellent virtually every season despite having to replace key players without the benefit of top 10 recruiting classes, and grant that Urban Meyer is an excellent coach with lots of talent.
It's not that hard, really. I suppose the OP is addressing grammar Nazi-like obsession with bringing this up every time the topic is broached, and if so I understand where he is coming from, but simply saying that those teams are good and will continue to be isn't defending them at all.
|1 week 5 days ago||Not long. Posters are trying||
Not long. Posters are trying to litigate the issues instead of discuss Jackson, whose story is heartbreaking.
I've seen a lot of people from different persuasions mention Jackson's recent Facebook post. It seems to be something that a lot of people agree is important.
But who knows. This thread is already way over the line in several spots.
I hate all of this.
|1 week 6 days ago||That's great news. He was a||
That's great news. He was a great talent whose concussions never let him truly explore how good he could have been at football. Now he gets an opportunity to use his athleticism in a safer way, for glory and for country.
Famiily citizenship is enough reason to run for a different nation, especially given how crowded the US track and field scene is. This is a win for everyone.
|2 weeks 9 hours ago||Right now this is a world||
Right now this is a world event. No issue in North American domestic politics is directly affected. As long as people refrain from discussing potential responses of particular politicians or branches of government, the no-politics rule is ok. And it seems to be possible to discuss the secular policies of Erdogan without dipping into religious discussion.
Politics and religion are needless sources of flame and dissent. Current events aren't off limits.
|2 weeks 9 hours ago||Well, Turkey seems to have a||
Well, Turkey seems to have a long and successful history of coups yielding to civilian powere, so even if this one does work (looking bad at the moment) it might actually have some chance of working out.
But who knows.
|2 weeks 16 hours ago||Can you give some more||
Can you give some more details in the contrast with Agricola?
|2 weeks 16 hours ago||I've played Pandemic a few||
I've played Pandemic a few times but the challenge can come when one person seems better or more assertive at devising strategy--it can get tense. And yeah, my wife griped about my trying to suggest too many moves for her, and she was right.
We never had luck playing Ticket with out-of-town friends/family members either, but the pass and play function works well. Wound up getting the physical game because our older kids can play well, exactly as advertised.
|2 weeks 16 hours ago||My experience has been that I||
My experience has been that I am legitimately a fan of some lesser, niche-type sports, but the intensity of that fandom fades and hibernates as football season begins. Football is simply too intense. I have actually watched portions of, say the World Championships and Il Lombardia after football season has kicked off, but it's not the same.
Same with soccer, auto racing, and any of the other sports I've given some mindspace to. Hockey isn't the same either--even the most fanatic of Michigan Hockey fans checks the schedule for conflicts and is constantly checking football scores when they're at one of those November home games against Mercyhurst.
|2 weeks 19 hours ago||The whole season was a blast.||
The whole season was a blast. This was one of the best parts, of course. The excitement leading up to it, the "Judgment Day" title (that's legit, it really was all over the national media like that), the chance to be in the national conversation, the nervousness leading up to the game...
And then haymaker after haymaker after haymaker. What a delight of a game. I remember it much more clearly than most games from that era, because there are so many vivid memories. Howard's runs, Griese's run, Steele's sack, Woodson's defense of the long pass to Jurevicius, Woodson's TD catch, all of it.
The only memory that isn't fond is the Taylor hit, which was of course fierce but based on its effects isn't the sort of thing I am comfortable celebrating.
A dominant road win against a talented, highly-ranked, strong team. I'm hoping for a couple of those in the near future.
|2 weeks 19 hours ago||I'd love some throwback UFRs,||
I'd love some throwback UFRs, but 1991 FSU? We got smoked. Perhaps you mean Notre Dame? Desmond Howard +21.
|2 weeks 1 day ago||Valverde scored his first||
Valverde scored his first ever TdF podium last year, part of a great season that included winning Liege-Bastogne-Liege. He won the Flèche-Wallone again this year and targeted other stuff. He has had a terrific post-suspension career by any standard.
He is riding the Tour in support of Quintana, and rather well. Since he's peaking for other stuff and since the team goals all revolve around Nairo, you won't see him threatening in other areas as much. But he's still Valverde.
For better or for worse.
|2 weeks 1 day ago||Fair enough, but it came||
Fair enough, but it came across like a rebuke of the thread.
But I understand where you're coming from and given how awful things are in Nice I don't blame you.
|2 weeks 1 day ago||Which reminds me to put in my||
Which reminds me to put in my annual plug to follow @inrng and @cyclocosm (and in particular their blog and their HTRWW video series respectively) for some of the best insight into a sport that you can find anywhere in any sport. @cyclocosm made a point of highlighting (I believe by tweeting someone else's article) the Sky train fall.
And, frankly, I'm inclined to agree with authors I've read that suggest that it was unecessary for the peloton to slow, because Stannard was not a GC contender. It's one thing if Froome had gone down, but this was just a teammate. Let Froome win with one fewer.
|2 weeks 1 day ago||Well, more recent news has||
Well, more recent news has taken over the mind, and appropriately so. But this happened considerably before, so don't trash people for talking about it. To be on a sports forum is to deliberately distract oneself from awfulness for a few minutes on an evening of this nature.
|2 weeks 1 day ago||Also in the 2003 Tour:||
Also in the 2003 Tour: Armstrong getting his handlebar snagged by a fan's bag, causing both him and Iban Mayo to crash on the climb to the summit finish at Luz Ardiden. Tyler Hamilton neutralized the leaders, allowing a badly scraped and bloodied Armstrong to rejoin, and then he promptly attacked and dropped Ullrich to gain the crucial seconds he would need to hold Ullrich off in the final time trial.
That whole Tour was bananas from start to finish. Riveting. The back-and-forth between him and Ullrich was dramatic virtually every day.
|2 weeks 1 day ago||He was injured pretty||
He was injured pretty seriously.
Ironically, Beloki is the only rider to share a TdF podium with Armstrong not connected to doping by legal investigations, one of the things that helped me conclude that Armstrong was dirty before the dirt really started to fly. But Beloki rode for ONCE, which was of course as dirty as everyone else.
Armstrong obviously systematically doped, and so did all of his competitors. There is no good way to evaluate that era. After all, Armstrong was preceded by Pantani and Ulrich and "Mr. Sixty Percent" Bjarne Riis. And Miguel Indurain, who won in an era where Greg Lemond mysteriously went from Tour winner to hopeless also-ran and EPO flowed rampant through the peloton.
The good thing about current anti-doping measures is that while they are not perfect, they do level the playing field a bit more. It's not perfect, though, and the continued success of riders like Alejandro Valverde is not encouraging.
|2 weeks 1 day ago||Also, generally speaking in a||
Also, generally speaking in a situation where the rules are "bent" like this the guideline will be whether or not an unfair advantage was gained. It's safe to say that in Froome's case no such advantage occurred. See Armstrong's "shortcut" when Joseba Beloki famously crashed on the downhill to Gap in 2003. Armstrong went around him, rode on the grass, cut the corner, but rejoined the peloton without gaining time, and properly wasn't penalized.
|2 weeks 1 day ago||His bike was unusable due to||
His bike was unusable due to the failure of organizers; due to that same failure, he was not reachable by either the Mavic neutral support car (which provided the bike that was nearly as bad) nor his team car, which was stuck behind the same chaos.
He panicked a bit, but to punish him for running a few dozen meters in cycling shoes while the contenders he had dropped were charging on ahead, specifically benefitting from the fact that he was ahead of them, would be unjust.
And, again, I'm rooting for someone (Quintana?) to beat him, but that's just unfair. I could live with the results being totally neutralized, and from a competition standpoint would have preferred it, but for him to lose time in this situation would be horrible.
|2 weeks 1 day ago||A mechanical problem is bad||
A mechanical problem is bad luck, but it is also a part of the normal course of cycling, the way a bad bounce or a gust of wind or bad weather affects various other sports. The camera moto came to a dead stop due to avoidable errors on the part of the race organizers (failure to erect sufficient crowd barriers in the area of highest crowd volume upon changing the finish location of the stage). The moto was focused on Porte, Froome, and Mollema because they were leading the other contenders, and the impact was unfair.
Since it was not something that occurred in the normal course of racing, they had to do something. To have Froome lose the race due to organizer failure (not a sure thing, but it's a real possibility that Quintana gains time in the Alps, there might not be enough room to claw that back in the TTs) would be massively unjust. And would basically punish him for being aggressive and attacking, exactly the sort of behavior that organizers want to encourage.
|2 weeks 1 day ago||Well, that was one of the||
Well, that was one of the most insane things I've seen in 14 years of watching cycling. I was doing some work at home and had the race on, and then suddenly there were Porte and Froome by the side of the road, stopped. And then a serious of confusing camera cuts, and then Froome running uphill. Madness.
And totally entertaining to a fan.
I'm a mildly dissatisfied with the jury decision to just give Froome and Porte Mollema's time. It neutralizes the stage without neutralizing it--everybody was affected somewhat, as the chase group (that included Quintana) was also slowed and re-routed by the chaos. And just for drama it would be nice to have some clearer GC movement from this, among the most memorable moments of cycling in the post-Lance era.
I come from a pre-disposition to want Froome to lose, since he's a multi-winner and I want variety. But to have him lose the jersey (and serious time) would have been a massive, peloton-striking injustice, and anyone with any kind of integrity would have hated it. Take Tejay's postrace insistence that the 1km times be taken (contra an earlier response, that is not at all a normal procedure for uphill finishes, only for sprints--this is basically unprecedented) even though the result is that he loses time both to other rivals and to Porte, who thus will have a bigger claim on being the BMC team leader. It's against his own interests, but in the interests of cycling.
Anyway, this Tour is turning into a massive face turn for Chris Froome. The Sky train has bored people out of their minds, and of course there are always doping suspicions, but Froome has made stunning and smart attacks to gain seconds, sprinted for a stage win, and now been reduced to running uphill and riding a gimpy bike to try to preserve his position. People who don't like him are kinda rooting him on now.
And FWIW Harbaugh's power-to-weight ratio wouldn't allow him to climb well enough to win the Tour. However, the best rider in the world is all-around killer Peter Sagan, who won the World Championship last fall (thus the rainbow jersey) and has followed that up with multiple race wins, including a brilliant win in the Ronde Van Vlaanderen, and now two stages and a Green jersey in France. Harbaugh would totally have done that if he had been a cyclist.
|2 weeks 1 day ago||Not a Jerry fan. Whatever||
Not a Jerry fan. Whatever floats his boat.
But Harbaugh, Urban, Saban, Freeze, Kirby Smart, Les Miles, Dantonio, and Paul Feinbaum on stage at a Springer show? With surprise guests Pete Carroll and Chip Kelly? That would be amazing.
|2 weeks 1 day ago||Cycling does have a doping||
Cycling does have a doping problem.
Nobody bothers to investigate the doping problems of Football or Basketball. Which means it's just like cycling in the 90s!
|2 weeks 1 day ago||I like this idea. Needs some||
I like this idea. Needs some tweaking to account for shot clock resets and such, though. Does a team get to use up its whole shot clock and then get a fresh 14? And this would totally nuke fouling at the end of games. Maybe just one pass and a shot?
|2 weeks 2 days ago||I use the term "allegedly"||
I use the term "allegedly" with care. It's the smoke; credible reporting on the ubiquity of bag men in the South, leaks from certain ex players that they took money (in one case I seem to remember "everybody" was getting money), Alabama's ultra-corrupt history of cheating, infractions that are reported but quietly litigated away...
Either cheating is almost nonexistent and always gets caught when it happens, or it is widespread and Alabama is in the thick of it.
And that leads back to a Godfather arrangement with the coach. As is does with all programs. Plausible deniability. Fall guys. Real separation between the guys doing the dirty stuff and the higher-ups in charge. We've seen it at other places (Louisville under Pitino a recent example) and it makes sense. It's not a stretch at all.
That's not to say that they're criminal. In fact, the key to getting away with it is to not get involved with the law, since legal proceedings are the only things that actually reveal dirt (see: Ed Martin, Reggie Bush, etc). But the similarities to pop culture views of organized crime are kinda startling.
|2 weeks 2 days ago||As much as I would like to||
As much as I would like to picture Finebaum waking up with a horsehead in his bed, this is probably more true-to-life than we'd like, because Saban allegedly has influence over a large network of players, boosters, and bagmen with whom he has a carefully constructed veil of plausible deniability.
|2 weeks 2 days ago||Then you're in business.||
Then you're in business. Caveat: you have to be prepared to leave before the game is decided if it is close and/or goes to OT. But if you can afford to trickle in by 7:30 without offending or missing anything important, you can do it if you plan ahead.
First, consider how you will travel from the game to your destination. Get opinions (probably available in this thread) about traffic on various roadways. Determine where you will park beforehand to give you the best possible exit. If I am in a hurry to leave I try to park a medium distance away, accounting both for heavier traffic in the immediate vicinity and less time walking, skipping a major intersection or two to speed things up. Consider avoiding left turns in traffic, which can add crucial minutes to your time, that sort of thing.
Give yourself a drop-dead departure time of 6:30 or 6:45. Like I said, you may miss something important, though hopefully Michigan will be in control. If for some reason the game is ending right around then, be ready to get out ahead of the crowd. Like, watch the last play or two from the tunnel entrance.
This sounds like a lot of planning and a lot of rushing around, and it will be. But accounting for that now will allow you the freedom to enjoy both events to the fullest without worry, except for that time period where you are transiting between the game and the reunion.
Years from now you will remember the freshness of the marching band, the roar of the crowd, the team rushing under the banner, the winged helmets, and the athleticism of the defense. And you'll remember the sweetness of catching up with family members, seeing people together you haven't seen in years.
You won't remember the tiring, quick walk to your car, the complex roads you took to dodge postgame traffic, or the extra few dollars you spent to ensure that you parked in such a way that you could leave before everybody else. But you'll be glad that you did all of those things.
|2 weeks 2 days ago||I missed winter when I lived||
I missed winter when I lived in California and I enjoy it now that I live in the north.
But I didn't miss it THAT much. Reading winter weather updates from Minnesota while sitting outside on a picnic table in Tarzana at sunset in 70 degree temperatures in February? I was ok with what I had.
|2 weeks 2 days ago||This sort of topic filter is||
This sort of topic filter is theoretically possible, I suppose, just to have a prominent button or tab on the sidebar to click.
I am pessimistic that this can/will happen because I don't know whether it actually exists in workable format elsewhere (and, let's face it, building something like this from scratch is probably not a good use of the resources of the Mgoblog management, so they'd probably want to import existing framework to do it) and I am a bit burned by things like the nonexistent page feature on the current sidebar.
|2 weeks 2 days ago||And they open with a top-5||
And they open with a top-5 outfit in LSU.
If they're somewhat good they may be competitive and post a decent record in that gauntlet, which in this case means not losing all of them. But they could easily open the conference schedule 0-4, even if they're not terrible.
|2 weeks 2 days ago||BTW, I am a huge believer in||
BTW, I am a huge believer in putting a priority on family. It's not something to dismiss even if you really want to watch a football game.
But six years is a long time and if you can swing both without significantly shorting your family, go for it. Our family was in town for a wedding of a close friend/cousin. My daughter was a flower girl, wife a bridesmatron. We attended, went to the reception, had a great time with family and friends...
And then left very promptly when things wound down to change into Michigan stuff to take my kids to a hockey game that evening, the only home Michigan game they've ever attended. Still a vivid memory for all.
We gave full attention to both. It was rather tiring and a bit hectic, and totally worth it.
So, figure out what is involved in giving proper focus to the reunion, and then determine if you can make a Stadium trip work. A 6:30 dinner reservation in Greektown will probably not work unless you leave at halftime. A 7pm casual gathering in Plymouth is tight but realistic. An 8pm party at a house in Ypsilanti is a no-brainer.
|2 weeks 2 days ago||In the absence of competitive||
In the absence of competitive games, the high ranked B1G teams are always top draws. OSU is obviously a big tv draw, and a top-5 Michigan team (almost a sure bet barring serious catastrophe) will be as well. Wisconsin, a traditionally strong opponent, ups the ante even more.
So you can basically pencil in 3:30 and plan from there. Confess the time and general location of the reunion and you'll get a host of advice about how to make it work logistically.
|2 weeks 2 days ago||Don't want one and don't want||
Don't want one and don't want one on the new site in production. I've been involved with boards that have separate "community" forums and I prefer the flow of mgoblog significantly. A "community" forum involves an entirely different navigational mentality, bifurcates the community more than necessary, and reduces the richness of the existing interaction.
We have it pretty good. How many people ever leave the front page for forum posts? You would need to for an OT forum. I think this arrangement works much better.
|2 weeks 2 days ago||I have apparently read more||
I have apparently read more of the details of this issue than you have of my post.
|2 weeks 3 days ago||I'm a bit mixed about your||
I'm a bit mixed about your response here. On the one hand, you do present compelling reasoning explaining why Michigan had trouble in the Rose Bowl. On the other hand, we are: 1. Talking about football in the 70s; and 2. Talking about Warren Moon.
Michigan's option offense may not have been perfect, and of course it is structurally less effective at late-game comebacks, which is one of several reasons it has fallen out of favor. But run-oriented option offenses dominated the better part of the 70s and 80s and as recently as 1995 produced one of the great teams in college football history.
Meanwhile, defensive philosophies have evolved quite a bit. I'm not sure that hybrid man/zone coverages with QB spies were a big thing in 1977, though I'll be glad to be corrected if I am wrong. Stuff like Buddy Ryan's 46 defense and Jimmy Johnson's wishbone-killer 4-3 over hadn't been invented yet, and those concepts are relatively quaint now.
|2 weeks 3 days ago||"or drawing a line in the||
"or drawing a line in the sand and at least insisting Sandusky have no access to Penn. St. facilities."
I will first point out that your first two points of action in this phrase would, if they occurred, imply an appropriate level of reporting (legal authorities) had already taken place. And if so, the first two points of action would be logical next steps.
I say that to say this: Simply forbidding Sandusky access to the facilities is a smoking gun of negligence. You know something is going on, and all you do is kick him out while not changing anything... well, I understand what you're saying, but that is prima facie evidence of criminal negligence. That is, in fact, almost precisely what has occurred in certain religious denominations that has been prosecuted. And may have been what happened when Sandusky "retired."
In all those cases it obviously wasn't enough.
Even if the motives weren't malicious (we've discussed this) the level of negligence is serious. The question is, upon whom does the lion's share of responsibility lie? If they knew something, we need to know how they handled it. If Schiano was "white as a sheet," that is not the response of someone who forgets to say anything. That's something that they know needs to be addressed.
If it is true, and they said nothing, that is a serious (legal and moral) failure of theirs; if it is true, and they reported to JoePa, and they were supposed to report it to proper administrators or authorities based upon university policy, that is a failure of both JoePa and them. If it is true, and they reported to JoePa, and that was exactly what they were supposed to do according to University policy, that is a failure of JoePa and the University. And so on depending upon whom heard about this, if anyone.
Note that JoePa is an issue in almost all of these scenarios. He was the city's leading citizen. There was smoke. Even if University and legal procedures were always properly followed he had the unique power and position to intervene in something he should have known to be a repeated problem, and failed.
If McQueary made this up to save face, well, that's horrible--and there will probably be a lawsuit. Because this is a serious accusation.
|2 weeks 3 days ago||Why? There have been, sadly,||
Why? There have been, sadly, numerous scandals of abuse in which groups of apparently well-meaning people have systematically failed to properly interpret warning signs or actual evidence and act upon it.
One may believe that they are all conspiratorial monsters, or one may believe that it is possible for many people to drop the ball on something that is, let's face it, almost unbelievably awful.
It's possible that there was a conspiracy; it is also quite possible that a number of people simply put just enough effort to feel like it was no longer their problem. We see it in many less serious walks of life, it is quite plausible here.
And, though it should be obvious, it does not make their failure any less horrible or morally irresponsible.
|2 weeks 3 days ago||I expected them to deny.||
I expected them to deny. However, they still deserve a chance to defend themselves before facing employment consequences.
They may have reported up the chain and concluded, wrongly, that authorities had been contacted. They may have said "let us never speak of this again." They may have called police directly and been ignored, or had their report quashed by a massive undiscovered conspiracy.
Or McQueary may have just been plain wrong.
We don't know yet.
I suspect we will find out.
|2 weeks 3 days ago||Depends upon whether or not||
Depends upon whether or not one considers winter a feature or a bug.
And lifestyle preferences make a big difference. Ann Arbor has great food, parks, entertainment, sports, and recreational opportunities. Someone that really likes the big city life would prefer a place like Chicago or NYC, Detroit not cutting it in this department. Someone who loves water would want to live on the coasts or on a Great Lake, a situation that brings with it some weather peculiarities. People who like to hunt and fish would be inclined to be somewhere less urbanized.
But Ann Arbor hits a lot of sweet spots. And, in Michigan, is superior in almost every check-box.
|2 weeks 3 days ago||In other geographical news,||
In other geographical news, New York City has the largest population in its state, and Siberia is really cold.
Ann Arbor's rep for being standoffish and perhaps a bit arrogant is probably deserved, but this is such a plainly true proposition that it's not even worth discussing.
|2 weeks 3 days ago||FWIW both Bradley and Schiano||
FWIW both Bradley and Schiano have denied the accusations, at least in public today. Appears to be a "he said, he said" type situation. Of course, they're not under oath.
Hard to know how responsible they would be. If they reported to Paterno, for example, that might not be enough, but that's more evidence that he was ignoring clear information of wrongdoing.
|2 weeks 3 days ago||On the one hand, we have||
On the one hand, we have three threads about one scandal in one conference school in one day. Yeah, it's a lot.
On the other hand, the only real effect is that it's pushing OT threads about Pokemon Go off the front page. There is no on-field discussion to speak of right now at all. In the deadest of dead periods, this is actually something new.
I'm sympathetic to both positions. But, really, there's nothing else to deal with here. And, unlike other current issues of national significance, this is one that falls within the scope of this board. So here we go.
|2 weeks 3 days ago||Here's the crux of the||
Here's the crux of the problem:
We don't know what Paterno's thought processes were at the time. We cannot know.
We know the results. The results are horrible.
But people are hyperbolizing the motives, and that is actually making the situation more divisive and more repeatable. Here's why:
When one suggests that Paterno was a "monster" or an active participant, others who do not think that was the case (no evidence for this, after all) feel intellectually compelled to dissent. And people who cared about Joe, like his family and friends, will bristle at the accusation.
Many conclude that Paterno must have made a conscious choice to allow young people to be victimized in order to preserve his football program.
But, based on what is currently known, it is quite possible that he allowed this to continue for decades without once ever making a specific choice in its favor. He didn't "choose" to enable Sandusky. Instead, he negligently declined to address it. Whether it was unbelievable or unbearable or whatever. We don't know. But this scenario is quite possible.
Yet this makes him no less morally or legally responsible for the crimes to continue.
This is important, because when people hyperbolize somebody's moral reasoning in a situation like this, they believe that since they would never consciously choose to allow someone to do something terrible that they will never negligently fail to stop it should it occur.
But that is not true. Vigilance is necessary. Particularly when children are involved. We simply do not know what Paterno's moral calculus was; it doesn't matter. The outcomes do. He had a responsibility and he failed to uphold it.
|2 weeks 3 days ago||Upvote for adaptation of the||
Upvote for adaptation of the term.
|2 weeks 3 days ago||I agree. I think it's quite||
I agree. I think it's quite realistic to think that we might lose; I don't care, I want to win. And, in the recruiting war, we need it. A loss this season and an 0-3 start against Urban is a real possibility, and that will flip some top recruits.
|2 weeks 3 days ago||People dog on Steele a lot,||
People dog on Steele a lot, particularly in the past few seasons when he has been down on MIchigan (correctly, as it often turned out). Like anyone, he is not perfect, and I hope he is off here with the "I believe in Urban Meyer" pick, but he's not an idiot.
And this is not implausible. OSU has a lot of talent in the pipeline, talent we would have liked to have ourselves. Now, we have more experience this season, but OSU has 11 games to get things figured out before we play in Columbus. A stadium in which our last win occurred before Tom Brady had started an NFL game.
So by picking OSU 6th and Michigan 12th, he is, basically, picking OSU to beat us in Columbus, finishing something like 11-1. It's not implausible at all for us to go 10-2 with a Columbus loss.
I hope he's wrong. But he's not being ridiculous here.
|2 weeks 3 days ago||This was news enough to get||
This was news enough to get bumped by my ESPN app.
And the key from the story is that multiple entities had knowledge of criminal activity and failed to act. Multiple times.
If you ever hear of abuse, you must report. And this hammers it home.
I could see someone burying their head in the sand, refusing to believe that a coworker and friend could do such awful things. It's wrong, but I could at least understand. But multiple reports? There's a problem. And there was a problem over 30 years ago that was never addressed. There were two criminal investigations 10 years before this blew up. There were reports to multiple coaches and administrators dating back to 76 ("Joepa is dead and can't defend himself" doesn't fly because even if the 76 report never happened there are other incidents he needed to know about).
Penn State let it all go. And Joe Paterno was Penn State. It's not just a character quirk or a one-time error, here: this is decades of systematic negligence.
|2 weeks 4 days ago||I think the only thing that||
I think the only thing that keeps him from leaving is a bizarre, catastrophically disappointing year.
Just on physical tools alone he's a first-rounder, and last season already displayed astonishing explosiveness and versatility. He's a millionaire in waiting. I would be flabbergasted if he came back.
|2 weeks 4 days ago||Good arguments here, whether||
Good arguments here, whether intended to counter mine or not.
|2 weeks 4 days ago||It's not our conversation,||
It's not our conversation, which is perfectly within the bounds of the board. Hatter's comment is vague. But the gif posted below will get axed.
|2 weeks 4 days ago||Hey, I even got in a joke||
Hey, I even got in a joke about it, too.
But you're totally backing up my argument. He is "the worst." Why? 1. He's an on-court jerk and dirty player (sports-wise it's great to dislike this, and I have all kinds of creative opinions about players I have disliked in various sports in the same way) which is basically the description of Bill Laimbeer, a guy I like. 2. Played for a rival. 3. Rival's coach whines to the press.
These are all reasons to enjoy disliking someone on the court.
They are not reasons to believe that someone is more likely to engage in crime.
And that belief, that "more likely," that moral high-ground stuff, is what I am discussing. Not the fact that Draymond is someone worth rooting against, since he obviously is.
|2 weeks 4 days ago||I'm not concerned with larger||
I'm not concerned with larger societal issues here. They're not within the scope of this board.
But there is a difference between rivalry and enmity. MSU is our rival. We want them to lose. We tire of their inferiority complex and their issues.
But the people who go to, root for, and play for MSU are humans.
And the idea that Draymond Green's arrest is less of a surprise because either he is a jerk or because he is a former MSU basketball player is to prejudge members of one or both of those groups of people. And that's not right.
Yeah, jerks are annoying. But that doesn't make them likely criminals. Yeah, MSU basketball players are annoying. Same.
I will grant that using the phrase "how they look" was inaccurate and loaded. I apologize and retract that portion of my argument.
|2 weeks 4 days ago||Fair point about carry over||
Fair point about carry over (that is certainly a significant part of what I do), but in sports in particular there is a known difference between one's private view and behavior and what is presented to the media. There has to be. And Izzo's motives for how he handles press interactions (which are taken a lot more seriously by us because we don't like MSU) may be as simple as shielding his team from more direct criticism with the help of a compliant press.
What really rubs off on players is what happens when he meets with the team after the game, not what he says to a reporter. If he shields his stars by ripping on assistant coaches or walk-ons, yeah, that is going to have an effect. But if he misdirects the commentariat to spare his environment of a press feeding frenzy while actually, fairly, addressing on-court team issues, well, that's a different story (and not unlike the press behavior of notorious grouch Lloyd Carr).
But we don't know much about this. We, as Michigan fans, already have some experience with differing opinions of a coach's influence on players: the misinformation distributed to NFL media by the 49ers brass regarding Jim Harbaugh. Before and during the 2014 season, the evidence available was the occasional press story with "inside information" and the steady decline of the play of the team as a whole. The balance of that evidence suggested that Harbaugh had worn out his welcome, that his players didn't listen or care anymore.
Then he left, with deep man-hugs and genuine feeling. And the supposedly disaffected 49ers players quit en masse.
The point: We don't know.
|2 weeks 4 days ago||So you're taking a group of||
So you're taking a group of people and suggesting that membership in that group makes one more likely to commit a crime. So I'm off base how?
|2 weeks 4 days ago||I'm not defending Izzo as a||
I'm not defending Izzo as a coach or a human. I am attempting to clarify the appropriate divide in responsibility for actions. And, frankly, trying to stay free of compulsive rivalry bias. People tend to let their sports opinions color their opinions of people themselves, and I tire of that.
This is about intellectual honesty. The way a coach conducts himself with the press has absolutely no necessary bearing on how he treats his team. None whatsoever. You think Greg Popovich is as much of a jerk to his players as he is to the sideline reporters his stiffarms in every in-game interview? I don't, and the fact that guys love to keep playing for him suggests that they don't, either.
We simply do not know how Izzo handles his players. It is possible that he basically tells them to sow their wild oats, have fun, find a fall guy, and let him know if there's something that needs to be "taken care of" by friendly police administrators. It is also possible that there is none of that, that he genuinely cares that his players live well, that he spends time mentoring and encouraging them to act properly, and that some of them fall off of the wagon.
But there is no evidence either way. And the way a guy excuses himself to the press has absolutely no necessary relationship to how he deals with his players. To suggest that one can firmly draw a relationship between the two is absurd.
|2 weeks 4 days ago||Surprise, surprise: Some||
Surprise, surprise: Some young men with various socio-economic backgrounds do bad things after college.
If Izzo is responsible for their behavior, I am interested in evidence to that point. If, as suggested based on other isolated incidents ("investigation" doesn't mean much) he has local PDs actively suppressing evidence of wrongdoing or is doing it himself, I am interested in a more complete report.
Baylor's football program has just been completely eviscerated because its coach actively looked the other way and suppressed evidence of this sort of thing; Joe Paterno has become a proverb for reckless wanton ignorance of serious crime. There is absolutely no reason MSU is above this if such things are happening in EL.
So I would like to see this. Shouldn't take too much effort to feret out. Doubtless there are MSU grads or dropouts who are victims who would be willing to talk, or local citizens who have been left holding the bag.
But if this is not the case, and Izzo is not in fact encouraging or covering up crimes, then you have a situation where players are involved in illegal activity of their own accord.
A "holier-than-thou" attitude is a dangerous position. And, given that Michigan football has in the past five or so years had players linked to all of the offenses you have just listed for MSU basketball, I think it is unwarranted in our case.
|2 weeks 4 days ago||Guilt by association? C'mon,||
Guilt by association? C'mon, just because someone "looks like" another person who has committed a crime does not mean that they are more likely to do so themselves.
|2 weeks 4 days ago||False comment in OP||
Oh, and re: OP statement "this doesn't come as much of a surprise:"
Yes it does.There is a big, big difference between being a jerk on the field of play who might engage in cheap stuff, and committing actual crimes outside of that venue.
Any seasoned sports fan knows of players that have played for teams they have rooted for that have had reps for being cheap jerks; those guys are not necessarily criminal or even unpleasant people outside of their games.
|2 weeks 4 days ago||I get as tired of Izzo hero||
I get as tired of Izzo hero slobbering as much as the next guy, but the actions of a player years after they left the influence of a coach are not his responsibility. Green himself is accountable for what he has or has not done.
|2 weeks 4 days ago||Are we positive this isn't||
Are we positive this isn't police in Michigan acting on warrants from assaults on Ohio, Oklahoma, and California basketball courts?
|3 weeks 16 hours ago||That's awesome.||
|3 weeks 16 hours ago||I think you're searching for||
I think you're searching for the best possible interpretation of the facts based on your presuppositions here, Hatter. It's understandable--we want to think the best of McGary, whom we all like, and additionally you have a stated pro-MJ position--but in this case I think you are letting your bias (and I have biases too) cloud your judgment.
If addiction is at issue here, well, the signs point to something else (question, though--people say other drugs have higher consequences, but is it possible that painkillers could cause this sort of violation? I haven't seen anything other than "this is the typical consequence" speculation to definitively say it was a positive marijuana test). You may not believe that Marijuana addiction is either probable or problematic, but I've spent hours on Christmas Day (among other times) counseling people whose weed addictions have crippled their lives. It is possible. And the inability to stop when one's livelihood is dependent upon it is a dangerous warning sign.
|3 weeks 16 hours ago||That seems to be a stretch.||
That seems to be a stretch. Who would benefit from "getting" Mitch? Why would it be important? Who even cares?
|3 weeks 16 hours ago||Memories I will miss making||
Memories I will miss making with my kids: Listening to games on the radio. I have a lot of good memories of that, back when radio was an important way to follow sports. I doubt my kids will ever really appreciate it.
|3 weeks 16 hours ago||Not true. Watch good||
Not true. Watch good defensive teams play. They are intense all the time. Especially in areas that should be McGary's sweet spot.
|3 weeks 17 hours ago||FWIW, I have left open in my||
FWIW, I have left open in my other posts the possibility that even if something is wrong, it is not primarily a weed issue, but rather an issue of other problems in life. The failed test may just be a collateral incident.
|3 weeks 17 hours ago||That may be; there are strong||
That may be; there are strong indications that a lot use it recreationally as well. You know my position on this, but I'm not addressing the morality of that issue. A lot of guys, it's safe to assume, ingest substances that are not permitted by their respective sports in a way to circumvent getting caught. Anyone can make a mistake once, of course. But McGary is also missing time for non-sports reasons and has been caught multiple times.
It may be unrelated. "Personal issues" can include serious family trouble or serious depression or any number of other things. But the combination of all these at least makes me cock an eyebrow of concern for his well-being. This could be "bad timing" after all... but it could also be a sign that there's other trouble afoot. And if so I hope he is able to address it properly.
|3 weeks 17 hours ago||At what point should we be||
At what point should we be concerned here? Yeah, there will be guys saying "pot doesn't matter" and things like that, but this is getting larger than that. McGary already dropped out of sight due to personal issues last season, missing the playoffs. And while I'm not intimately familiar with the NBA CBA, I highly doubt that this is a first-time offense.
And regardless of one's feelings about various recreational drugs, inability to not use when it will cause one serious personal consequences is not a good sign.
I'm concerned for him. I hope he is able to straighten out whatever issues he has. This isn't good.
|3 weeks 21 hours ago||Wait, it's confirmed that||
Wait, it's confirmed that Ahmir Mitchell nearly transferred? I was attentive to the rumor thread from a little while ago but never heard anything official about the mystery NJ receiver. And, of course, Hawkins is a qualifying issue. Was there an update I missed?
|3 weeks 22 hours ago||Honestly, what's the point of||
Honestly, what's the point of playing in a neutral site that is smaller than both home venues? It's a compromise that's worse for everyone. Might as well play the game in Marquette and use the excuse that it would expose more of the state to the game.
Though that would be good for me personally because I could make Marquette.
|3 weeks 22 hours ago||I love LSU's white-at-home||
I love LSU's white-at-home tradition.
But it's worth noting that except for the first home game of the season, LSU has worn purple at home for non-conference games for a number of years.
We rarely notice because their non-conference schedule usually consists of directional schools.
|3 weeks 22 hours ago||It sounds like Harbaugh||
It sounds like Harbaugh wanted the game back. Warde got it done. And it does sound like Warde is working on the MSU game. I'm cool with those factors.
|3 weeks 22 hours ago||It was 1996, you are correct.||
It was 1996, you are correct. Only time my Dad took all three kids to a game. We sat in the North endzone, which is where all the action happened.
That was the nucleus of a good UCLA team, too.
|3 weeks 22 hours ago||It's not exactly that simple,||
It's not exactly that simple, since we have to maintain the 5/4 home game alternation for both teams. Michigan will likely also have to flip a game against someone like Indiana in the same year.
|3 weeks 1 day ago||I agree. After we missed out||
I agree. After we missed out on Isaac Nauta, who wound up going to Georgia as expected (though apparently it was close), I said that I was ok being in on some top recruits that we missed out on, as long as we won some of those battles, too. Top recruiters are going to miss on guys, because they are going to be involved with players that a lot of teams want.
So if we are a legit contender for top recruits every year and we get our share, great; I can live with some of them going somewhere else.
Last year we lost Nauta. But we ambushed everyone to get Asiasi to fill the same position, and, of course, signed the top recruit in the nation. If we can keep this up, I'm ok with it.
|3 weeks 1 day ago||This is a pivotal season for||
This is a pivotal season for just that reason. 17 will have some serious rebuilding/growing pains; we need to put success on the field right now.
Fortunately, this is not a task that requires an unlikely level of progression.
|3 weeks 1 day ago||I think we should wait until||
I think we should wait until all facts are in.
But if the road trip in 18 is true, and there's no change in the sequence of the MSU game (I still hold out hope), this looks bad.
Still, wait until we know more.
|3 weeks 2 days ago||Ok, I'm not up to date on the||
Ok, I'm not up to date on the Bulls roster, but who is going to shoot 3s for them? Eventually the 24-second clock runs out and you have to stop drive-and-kicking and actually shoot. And neither Wade nor Rondo are doing that from anywhere distant. Butler only shoots about 30%. What am I missing?
|3 weeks 2 days ago||Eh. If he has to leave Miami,||
Eh. If he has to leave Miami, Chicago is a good choice for him personally. Not clear to me that the Bulls are going anywhere with or without him. This gets attention because he has been a great player, I guess, but he isn't going to be the key difference-maker on any team that is competitive for a title.
I recall that he still played with a fair amount of fire this year, but an old guy with very old legs and no 3-point shot does not project to have much of a career left. It's not hard at all to see him losing a step to the basket due to age or another injury, and he doesn't have much to offer if that goes away at this point. Nothing wrong with him, just the effects of age.
|3 weeks 2 days ago||Old sports highlights are one||
Old sports highlights are one of the best things about internet video, period. The only entity that has not benefited enormously from them is ESPN Classic, which I never need to watch anymore.
Hard to believe that before Classic Sports came on the scene you basically had to know somebody with a videotape of an old game or you never, ever got to see old stuff again. (I quickly learned that Michigan lost any game I tried to videotape, so I stopped. That was right before '97, btw).
|3 weeks 2 days ago||Logged in to upvote. I've||
Logged in to upvote. I've loved the WH videos for years.
|3 weeks 2 days ago||Yes. But it's also worth||
But it's also worth noting that the '97 defense learned technique under the previous DC--Greg Mattison.
|3 weeks 2 days ago||In the wild, crazy world of||
In the wild, crazy world of recruiting, Bleacher Report offers a high school star a chance to star in his own slickly produced video in return for giving them the scoop on a guaranteed-volume-click commitment.
Some guys will go on to fame and fortune. But some will graduate college, work out in a couple of camps as a UFA, and do something else. And this is a fun memory for everybody. I like it.
|3 weeks 3 days ago||No Talent Required.||
No Talent Required.
|3 weeks 3 days ago||This is one of what will be a||
This is one of what will be a long line of interesting articles that touch on Michigan in some form or another, because it appears that we actually have a good team. This brings me back to the good old days of the 90s and early 00s when I could count on something interesting to read about Michigan in a lot of pre-season stuff. It's fun. It doesn't mean anything. It does whet the appetite.
What will be noticeable about all this pre-season publicity is that is all focuses on our defense. Because our defense was great last season and should be great this season. There isn't yet a lot to be said about our offense, because our QB position is a questionmark and the rest of the roster, while good, doesn't blow anyone away.
But who knows, it might emerge as a surprising force anyway. Wouldn't be the first time.
|3 weeks 4 days ago||Wow is this ever a depressing||
Wow is this ever a depressing question. Good thing hopes for Michigan are high.
No team is particularly close. So I'll look at it this way:
If a Detroit team wins while someone currently on the roster is a participant, I think the best chances of that occurring come from 1. The Tigers, 2. The Lions, 3. The Wings. The Tigers because there is still a very small chance that they somehow catch lightning in a bottle with the current roster in a head or two; a key outfield acquisition, the staff coming together (JV, Zim, Norris, Fulmer all excelling), it's a small chance but it's a chance. The Lions next because the NFL changes a lot from year to year and while Stafford is not elite, he could put things together for a year or two. All small chances.
It is very probable that none of the teams will win with their current regime or nucleus. With that in mind I would think that the Wings have the best chance to win first long-term, because hockey allows more teams to be able to compete for a cup and because the franchise's relative stature and legacy organization is higher than that of the other three teams in their respective sports.
|3 weeks 4 days ago||You're complaining about fake||
You're complaining about fake outrage and silly reasoning, but this is casual fandom. It's all fake and silly. These aren't even the home teams of the fans in question. The results could not matter less to the persons in question. The reasons for rooting for or against any of these teams resolve to nothing more than random, fleeting feelings based on meaningless, imaginary criteria.
People like a good story. That's about it. GSW becomes less of a good story; neutral people will and have stopped casually rooting for them over this. Is that silly? Sure, but so was casually rooting for them in the first place.
You're using a lot of second person where none is appropriate, btw. Other than disliking the move I have neither registered nor drawn a conclusion on the team as a whole. My objection to the move is the same silliness as your reason for liking GSW: fun. It's more fun when there are multiple teams capable of winning a title. Genuine tossup game 7s are so rare in basketball, and we got a couple of them this year. I'd hate to lose out on that.
|3 weeks 4 days ago||DP||
|3 weeks 4 days ago||You think people should just||
You think people should just hop on the bandwagon and cheer? This is sports. Neutrals root against teams that are too successful. Frankly, the stated reasons don't even matter. People find teams to cheer against. Expecting more than that is silly.
Of course people wish their team was in that position now. That's part of why they cheer against the teams that are. You aren't actually asserting that we should be Alabama fans right now, do you? Every time they snag a top recruit, someone mutters "bag men" and resents them a bit more. Frankly, it wouldn't matter if we knew for a fact they were the cleanest program in the country, though, we still want them to lose.
So it goes.
|3 weeks 4 days ago||Who is saying this? I don't||
Who is saying this? I don't think there's a specific narrative about the position at all.
The question is, what does Harbaugh want, and what do his QBs provide? If Speight is leading, it is assumed that he is running the offense better. Yeah, that means fewer turnovers.
But there's no such groundswell here. We need the best guy for the job.
|3 weeks 4 days ago||They won't care, as in, it||
They won't care, as in, it won't bother them that their team is signing a great player or make them resent their own team. Thought that was fairly clear from the context.
|3 weeks 4 days ago||I would have been ok with||
I would have been ok with Jordan coming to Detroit in 1991.
|3 weeks 4 days ago||There's nothing ethically or||
There's nothing ethically or legally wrong with it.
But we are talking about feelings. Casual fan allegiance. Bandwagons. These things don't care about that.
My Twitter feed is already full of blowback here. Joe average sports fan from Boston or Dallas or Richmond. They're tipping past the point where they're tired of the Warriors. Now, one of things that made the Warriors likeable, that special organic build model, no longer applies. They were the good guys, the ones that DIDN'T buy mega teams, succeeding "the right way" as everyone demanded. Not anymore.
Their own fans won't care and shouldn't. And there will still be a lot of casual fans, as there always are of winners.
But they were a phenomenon unlike anything the NBA had seen since Jordan. That is in Jeopardy. (They could recapture it with beautiful basketball, charisma, and dramatic title wins). It's different now.
|3 weeks 4 days ago||Sure. Unfortunately, they||
Sure. Unfortunately, they lose some of that cred by purchasing a mega free agent.
It's not as bad as the Heat, but it makes it easier for people to turn on them.
|3 weeks 4 days ago||They're pretty unique in the||
They're pretty unique in the history of the NBA.
|3 weeks 4 days ago||I think things are more mixed||
I think things are more mixed than this. The last two years have been fantastic for the NBA, but I think a lot of that has been due to things that this signing contradicts.
1. Several teams have been capable of winning it all. At least 3 from the west and the Cavs. That has made the playoffs compelling.
2. Lebron's move to the Cavs made them a good underdog story, given the city's well-publicized drought.
3. The Warriors were a blast to watch.
4. The Warriors were a blast to watch and were not a free agent superteam. It's easy to root for a group of guys who mostly played for the same team for their entire careers. It was easy for people to root for Curry, a nice guy who plays a fun game and does crazy stuff on the court.
Now, with KD, the Warriors become a lot like everyone else. Curry probably doesn't score as much, and there is really only one favorite to win the title. I think they're less likable now and more polarizing; how much remains to be seen. But if they endure, say, a 3-game losing streak, the knives will come out.
I think the NBA as a product would have been better served with KD in a place like Boston (or Detroit, naturally), giving the Cavs a legitimate rival in the East.
|3 weeks 4 days ago||I enjoy the Warriors a lot||
I enjoy the Warriors a lot and I generally like KD.
I don't like this at all. The Warriors are/were about as likable as a dominant team can be, but at some point this becomes ridiculous. This is a video game move, stacking one team with a bunch of great players. The only way the regular season is interesting this year is if GSW makes a run to break its own reg season record. And I'm not a reg season basketball hater.
I'm not positive that GSW will work exactly the way they want to, either. In Curry and KD you have two guys who should average close to 30 points a game. Hard to see the ball getting around enough.
|4 weeks 11 hours ago||Newfoundland, for example.||
Newfoundland, for example. The men were wiped out.
|4 weeks 11 hours ago||Imagine how people felt at||
Imagine how people felt at the time.
|4 weeks 11 hours ago||Eastern Europe was, of||
Eastern Europe was, of course, a disastrous result of the war.
But the principle of unconditional surrender was absolutely right. The militaristic impulse in Germany and Japan needed not only defeat, but total demolition.
That's what happened. And the result was the quick emergence of two democratic, economic powerhouses.
The failing wasn't the demand for surrender, but to fail to protect Eastern Europe from the drop of the curtain.
|4 weeks 15 hours ago||World War I colored every||
World War I colored every choice made for the following 30+ years. It was a tragic, awful event that scarred the consciousness of all of Europe. There's a reason that Neville Chamberlain was so eager to avoid war--the idea was horrifying. It turns out he was absolutely wrong, but his viewpoint was hardly unique.
Some guys above the thread are suggesting that further incursions into Berlin would have made worse the rise of Hitler. I disagree. For starters, every bit of resentment and hostility that they worry a march on Berlin would have provoked happened anyway.
And more to the point, the Allies were very clear at Yalta and Potsdam that WWII could only end with unconditional surrender. The idea was that Germany after WWI was an issue in large part because they felt they were NOT defeated, but treated like a defeated enemy anyway. This gave place to concepts like the "stabbed in the back" theory. The endgame of WWII was, in a sense, an overdue completion of the job not finished in 1918.
I don't know what would have happened in 1918 if they had continued to fight. Those involved could not have known what would come later. But the Armistice didn't solve what it needed to solve.
|4 weeks 18 hours ago||Had to happen eventually.||
Had to happen eventually.
|4 weeks 18 hours ago||Good for him. I'm glad he||
Good for him. I'm glad he continues to stay competitive in the League after all these years. He was in a tough spot at Michigan, entering at 17 to take over from four consecutive 4-year starters, two of whom were all-time greats. I'm glad things have worked out well for him.
One of my all-time favorite photoshops occurred the weekend of a particularly intense series against WMU. Freshman Montoya, widely known as the youngest guy on the ice in every conference game, managed to draw a key power play with what I recall to be a pretty clear flop. When he got up and de-masked to take a drink from the water bottle, he winked at the crowd.
A Western fan then photoshopped his picture onto a then-new movie poster: "Confessions of a Teenage Drama Queen."
The WMU fan won the internet. Michigan won the games.
|4 weeks 1 day ago||The only correct answer to #3||
The only correct answer to #3 is, yes: Football national championships.
|4 weeks 1 day ago||It will probably never||
It will probably never happen. But it was a mistake to lose WJR, even if getting paid more money by someone else.
I still get WJR, faintly, after dark, here in Duluth. But the only reason to listen is if I am rooting against Michigan State and they're playing at night. I wish they had sports I actually rooted for again. It really was a station for the whole state.
|4 weeks 1 day ago||Not clear to me what their||
Not clear to me what their strategy is.
At Minnesota, Tracy Klaeys got the permanent job in part by hammering the issue of the need to keep recruits in the fold; he isn't recruiting well. Of course, his predecessor didn't recruit all that well, either.
We'll see what happens. I used to get excited about how well Michigan was doing relative to the conference (and Notre Dame) when the old versions of these rankings were posted. For a couple of years OSU was really the only team in our league, and we were frequently ahead.
It didn't translate to the field. Until maybe this year, we'll see.
|4 weeks 1 day ago||They're not very meaningful||
They're not very meaningful to us yet. But OSU already has serious talent locked down, so their ranking is no mirage. And they're still picking guys up.
Michigan still has work to do. But they are in holding the same profile as they did last season, when a hoard of 3-stars turned into a top-5 class by... well, by "process."
|4 weeks 1 day ago||These aren't just 4-stars;||
These aren't just 4-stars; scrolling through the 247 top-100 recruits is depressing. There are Buckeye commits everywhere. Top 100 guys. And they're in on a couple of others that aren't yet committed.
Michigan doesn't have to beat OSU in recruiting, but we have to keep up. Unlike the Carr years, Michigan has the coaching to compete with the rival. But IMO Michigan needs to close the deal on some of the top prospects that they are currently in on.
More, better prospects will invariably equate to more, better players. Yeah, some guys are going to miss. Some lower-ranked guys are going to emerge. But the surprise 3-stars might occupy 2 or 3 positions; that leaves 19 or 20 other spots that I would rather have 4/5 stars occupying.
|4 weeks 1 day ago||I hate to say this, but all||
I hate to say this, but all three of those bowl wins are far better and far more satisfying than any bowl win Michigan has had since Carr retired. Yeah, Baylor collapsed a bit. But that happens, and MSU played well to come back. MSU has a resent history as good as any team that isn't Bama or OSU to sell. There's no way it's luck.
Their recruiting issues (they've been getting better, FWIW, and they're still in on top guys like DPJ) are due to something else.
|4 weeks 1 day ago||I spent many an hour in the||
I spent many an hour in the Stadium, especially my senior year at Pioneer. Great place to sit.
And, since that was '97, pretty exciting to look forward to Saturday.
|4 weeks 1 day ago||The problem is that they do||
The problem is that they do match now, and it's the wrong color.
|4 weeks 1 day ago||I used to be able to walk||
I used to be able to walk around unmonitored. Those were great days.
But I had free access to, for example, out-of-view corner areas where a bomb could be stashed.
So I don't blame them for thinking about stuff like that. But there should be some middle ground.
|4 weeks 1 day ago||I don't think so. Dark green||
I don't think so. Dark green and dark blue register too similarly. Particularly if there's rain.
|4 weeks 1 day ago||"Can we make it easier to||
"Can we make it easier to visit the Stadium on non-game days?"
I can't generally visit Ann Arbor during football season. I really want to take my kids into the stadium, show them the commemorative brick my Dad and I got together, that kind of thing. I don't have a group suitable for one of those group tours.
Find a way to open the Stadium.
|4 weeks 2 days ago||Seriously. We need Stevie Y||
Seriously. We need Stevie Y back. We're not there yet, but this could become a Harbaugh-like situation.
|4 weeks 3 days ago||aaaaaand double post||
Double posts are invariably posts that are barely worth posting once, much less twice.
And of course my research confirms that in 88 they were a game out of first, saw Cecil Fielder hit 50 in 90 (I was there for 49 with my Dad, it was great!) and of course stunk in '89. There you go.
|4 weeks 3 days ago||I must be off by a year or||
I must be off by a year or two. Obviously they went from '87 to '06 between playoff appearances, but there were some good seasons in the meantime before the Trammell nucleus finally kicked off entirely.
|4 weeks 3 days ago||Not really. The committee has||
Not really. The committee has some flaws but it does seem to do a good job of evaluating the actual performance of teams on the field. Michigan will have plenty of opportunity to demonstrate that it is a playoff-caliber team by beating other teams. That is what matters, not what people thought we would be in the preseason.
|4 weeks 3 days ago||See below. If Harbaugh is no||
If Harbaugh is no better than Carr, Hoke, or RichRod, then I completely agree with you.
I have high hopes that he is significantly better. If so, then he should produce at a higher level. Real victories, not just moral ones.
|4 weeks 3 days ago||Actually, I think you might||
Actually, I think you might be. If Michigan loses a couple of unexpected games, we will all be gravely disappointed. But the "let's be philosophical, the future is brighter" view is one I have a lot of experience with.
And it made things worse. From the late 80s onward every season posed the question, "Is this the year?" Finally, in 1997, Lloyd hit the perfect notes, and things fell the right way, and we had a once-in-a-generation athlete making critical plays in all three phases of the game, and it was the year.
From then until his retirement, every season posed the question, "Is this the next year?" We looked back to what similarities existed with 1997 every season, parsed out the roster, and got optimistic.
But then the losses came. They always came.
And I tried to be philosophical. "The defense is young." "If only Drew hadn't left." "Just wait until those guys are seniors." "Lloyd will get Tressel next year." And so on. There was always a reason. A reason to hang on, to hope for next season, for brighter pastures.
They never came. The problem was never the talent on the field. Michigan fielded as much talent as any team in the country from 1998-2007, but never achieved anything close to the success that the talent merited. Because Michigan was flawed. The coaching was not on the same level as the best programs.
This year, Ohio State is replacing an astonishing level of talent. And, at the same time, is in the process of hauling in an all-time type recruiting class. Don't let that one top Florida class that Urban recruited confuse you: the recruits matter, and OSU has beaten Michigan in this area since Jim Tressel came to town, and the results could not speak louder for themselves.
When looking at the OSU recruiting class, our major source of comfort has been: 1. Harbaugh is recruiting well, so he can at least come close to keeping up; 2. Harbaugh develops players as well as anyone.
#1 is true right now. But for that to continue, this must be the year that Michigan demonstrates that it deserves the same attention from recruits as Alabama and OSU and FSU. Michigan is getting included on top ten lists and getting serious looks from top recruits all over the country because Harbaugh is riding high and because he appears to be legit. Michigan must succeed this season to demonstrate that the attention is merited. Next year, OSU will be the team with experience, and we will be the team reloading--we are almost certainly going to worse in 2017 than in 2016. This is the year.
#2 is believed to be true. We saw it at Stanford, we saw it last season. If it is true, then the 4-stars and 5-stars that Hoke brought in, who now have years of experience, who have been sitting under Harbaugh for 18 months, will be as finely developed as any of the under-the-radar guys that Harbaugh produced at Stanford. They will show the fruits of his genius. They will win with character and with cruelty.
If #1 is true, Michigan must win big this year. If #2 is true, Michigan will win big this year.
If Michigan does not, that's a huge sign of a tragic flaw in our assumptions.
I'm not saying that Michigan won't lose a game or two. But I am saying that I won't pretend that a 9-3 record is really a great success because everything is going to be ok next year or the year after. A 9-3 record won't be awful, but by properly calibrating the expectations for this year, when the philosophical viewpoint says "there's still next year," the properly calibrated realist will say, "actually, next year will probably be just as rough."
It's not Harbaugh's fault that Hoke's recruiting fell apart, and not his fault that the schedules play out the way they do. But a great coach with great players will win early and often. It was true with Urban. It was true with Saban. It was true with Pete Carroll.
I believe it is true of Jim Harbaugh. So this must be the team.
|4 weeks 3 days ago||I already asserted earlier in||
I already asserted earlier in the thread why I think the expectations are reasonable and why the OP article is absolutely right that 8-4 would be a horrible disappointment.
Some brief expounding: There are, nationally, still a lot of people inside and outside of college football who would be skeptical if you attempted to compare Michigan to Alabama, LSU, and Clemson (Mad Hatter's joking aside, as long as Clemson has the QB position occupied by that level of difference maker, they're a title threat). And that's fine--the only time we played a team of that caliber, OSU cleaned us off of the field last season.
But these preseason predictions aren't trying to rank who would be whom on a neutral field; they're attempting to discern who makes the playoff. And with five major conferences plus the odd Notre Dame/Houston/Boise wildcard, that's pretty easy to do.
So what is really being said is that Michigan should not lose a non-conference game, and between us, Michigan State, and Ohio State, we are the team that has by far the most talent coming back and the best trajectory of development.
It is entirely reasonable to think that we can beat both of them, even on the road. Whether we will is another story. But we return almost everyone from one of the top 3 defenses in the country, add a coach from one of the OTHER top 3 defenses in the country, and lose only one offensive lineman and a quarterback from a team whose coach likes to run the ball and develop quarterbacks.
So when predictions roll in that we are a good bet for the playoff, that is totally reasonable. How we perform is another question entirely: it's impossible to know how we stack up against the Bamas and LSUs right now.
Though I suspect we stack up better than Bama's semifinal opponent last season.
|4 weeks 3 days ago||In my experience the board||
In my experience the board handles nuance and some well-reasoned pessimism just fine.
Preseason rankings don't matter. At all. But they help fans get excited for the season, particularly when their team is expected to be good.
Michigan is expected to be good. Further, Michigan SHOULD be good. The team is not young anymore. MSU and OSU have both lost far more significant components. The rest of the B1G is down, and our non-conference schedule is easy. The only indicator working against us is that our three toughest opponents are all road games.
We believe Jim Harbaugh is an elite coach, a coach who can coax great development and performance out of athletes. We believe Michigan ought to be on the rise.
So here it is. A schedule that begs Michigan to be ranked no lower than #3 (that sounds like a playoff position) by the time we play our first hard game. A potential lull for our rivals.
And a pivotal recruiting year that will set up the next four years of our rivalry with Ohio State.
So the expectations are high, and they ought to be high.
This is not a year for moral victories. This is not a year where we can be philosophical about a loss ("Hoke hasn't gotten his players yet." "Rodriguez is still getting his system in place." "Maybe next year Lloyd will finally have all the blue-chips he needs."). The expectations are high and the games matter.
We have the roster. We have the athletes. We have proven talent everywhere except QB (and even there both leading options have won college games).
If Harbaugh is who we believe he is, this is the team. If there is a team to beat our rivals on their fields, this is the team. If there is a team to finally make a B1G championship game, this is the team. If there is a team to make the playoff and firmly assert an ascension to the top levels of the sport, this is the team.
The expectations are absolutely right. 8-4 would be a massive disapointment. We should not pretend otherwise.
|4 weeks 3 days ago||I don't know, I think that's||
I don't know, I think that's an interesting pick. Obviously, most people will favor whomever wins the LSU-Alabama game to be the SEC Champion, but it's not much of a stretch at all to predict Georgia will make the SEC title game with at most one loss. And then, they've got a shot to win.
Georgia has been loaded with talent. They've suffered some miserable injury luck, and while I think Richt was a good coach, there was some serious staff stagnation going on. It's not hard at all for me to see Georgia having that kind of season. They just need to win the SEC championship game.
|4 weeks 3 days ago||The tinge of disappointment||
The tinge of disappointment at the end of most of those seasons will always haunt, in my opinion.
But being on a State Championship team would be pretty awesome and should not be ignored from the subjective standpoint of this thread. I can't argue with your choice.
|4 weeks 3 days ago||The Lions actually won a lot,||
The Lions actually won a lot, and Barry ran for 2000 yards. 1991 and 1997 are my two favorite years as a Lions fan by a wide margin, even without everything else.
|4 weeks 3 days ago||I was so young and naive back||
I was so young and naive back then, I thought all of my favorite non-Lions teams would be great all of the time. Alas.
Even the Tigers were decent that year, I believe.
|4 weeks 3 days ago||You can either look at '97 as||
You can either look at '97 as a "school year" that ran from fall '97 to spring '98, or as a contiguous calendar year. In both you have Red Wing Stanley Cups and terrific Michigan hockey teams (the better team in '97 losing in the FF, the inconsistent '98 team winning it all). Of course, you have Michigan.
And, mentioned obliquely, you had Barry Sanders. But just saying he was on the team understates it--the Lions lost disappointingly in the playoffs that year, but Barry was must-see TV every weekend, since 1997 was the year he ran for 2000 yards and crossed 100 in 14 consecutive games.
So on Friday night I had a pivotal Michigan game to look forward to on Saturday and Barry on Sunday. It was an amazing autumn. The week after Michigan beat Ohio State to clinch the Rose Bowl and #1 ranking, Barry undressed the Chicago Bears on Thanksgiving with a performance so compelling it was nominated for an Espy.
So that year has to be the best, however you look at it.
A couple people have mentioned 88-89, which I remember rather well but was still just a bit young (9 years old) to fully appreciate. Bo barely, barely lost to the top two teams in the country that year and beat a top five USC team in the Rose Bowl, then fired Bill Freider. You know what happened next. Two months later the Pistons won their first NBA title.
And in basketball terms it was never better. Yeah, my buddies and I spend days upon days out in the driveway, shooting, pretending we were Vinnie Johnson or Glen Rice, but we thought basketball would always be that great.
How little we knew.
|4 weeks 5 days ago||Is it at any time? I know,||
Is it at any time? I know, from my roster perusal, that it looked like half the guys or something in that neighborhood were from Canadian universities.
|4 weeks 5 days ago||Some of us have been really||
Some of us have been really consistent about this, actually.
And it is not incomprehensible that one might believe both that the highlighter movement under Adidas and the Iowa yellow now being used are problematic.
I did a whole diary about the issue. I think the new "maize" is wrong and I don't like it.
FWIW I like the white pants but I think some variety would be good. Use both.
|4 weeks 6 days ago||I want poutine in more||
I want poutine in more American establishments.
FWIW the poutine at Zingerman's Roadhouse is really good.
|4 weeks 6 days ago||Not close to big enough. CFL||
Not close to big enough. CFL fields are wider and much, much longer (110 yards on the field plus 20 yards in each end zone) than American fields. Almost no American stadiums can support them.
|4 weeks 6 days ago||Some guys, of course, make||
Some guys, of course, make more than that, but that sounds about right.
"Some guys" no doubt heavily features quarterbacks. A quality CFL QB can easily have a 15-year career, often playing for half the teams in the league. It's not a huge niche, but it's a niche, and guys build a life off of it.
|4 weeks 6 days ago||Thomas Gordon and Ramon||
Thomas Gordon and Ramon Taylor are kicking around, too.
For fun (and because I have some stuff to do that I am vaguely avoiding) I perused CFL rosters for familiar college players. There are some interesting ones, like Drew Tate backing up Bo Levi Johnson at QB in Calgary.
But my favorite roster feature was discovering former double-bird OSU player Marcus Hall. Who is a member of the Saskatchewan Roughrider organization.
On the practice squad.
|4 weeks 6 days ago||The CFL is a fun product with||
The CFL is a fun product with some amusing college football nostalgia (you find yourself saying things like, "Hey, I remember when Darien Durant split time on some pretty good North Carolina teams!"), a unique but consistent ruleset, and a surprising level of tradition.
I grew up watching it on the CBC and my family has a strong family tradition of following the Argonauts (my Grandad was a longtime season ticket holder), so I'm kind of roped in. I've even gone to a game at SkyDome. The games can be quite entertaining, though there are also times (like last night, when I watched a bit of the first half and groaned audibly every time Winnipeg's QB missed another receiver downfield--seriously, Devin Gardner should give the CFL another glance) where it's a tough watch, just like any other football game but with lower stakes.
It's not really football season yet, so it's hard to really enjoy it if you don't have skin in the game. But it is worth the occasional look. Kind of a fun mental exercise recalibrating for the different rules, too.
Though with the wider array of sports options available to us compared with the days when the CBC was just the sixth channel on television, it's actually harder to commit to following now.
|4 weeks 6 days ago||We also sign a ton of||
We also sign a ton of 4-stars. The number of "project" guys that actually sign winds up being pretty low, on par with other schools. You aren't talking sense; I suspect on purpose, because most people wouldn't stubbornly hold onto their ignorance for this long.
|4 weeks 6 days ago||I don't think anyone has||
I don't think anyone has actually suggested that he be banned, just that he will have a large pile of negs to dig out from, something that is true.
|4 weeks 6 days ago||You mean like this?||
You mean like this? http://mgoblog.com/category/tags/rashan-gary
Yep, I think you're just a troll.
|4 weeks 6 days ago||You might not be new to the||
You might not be new to the site, but you haven't read it much, either. Yeah, OSU is recruiting really well. Yeah, Michigan fans are concerned because they're not going away.
But you haven't been following recruiting at all if you think Michigan has just been recruiting scrubs. Stop listening to the crowing of intelligence-free OSU fans and learn about what's actually going on.
|4 weeks 6 days ago||It's pretty clear that you||
It's pretty clear that you are either a troll, or totally ignorant of Michigan's recruiting in the Harbaugh era. Dude, people aren't just saying "trust Harbaugh" because they've drunk the Koolaid. We've actually seen him do this before, last year, and wind up with a top five class featuring the #1 recruit in the nation. It wasn't a class with one top guy and a bunch of 3-stars.
And the way that happened made some news even in national outlets. So I assume you weren't paying attention at all.
Harbaugh is in big-time on a bunch of top guys. He is also recruiting "projects." It is likely that some of them will find themselves at other schools. That is how Harbaugh does things. You may be ok with it or not, but to suggest that he is just stocking the cupboard with inferior talent is to be willfully blind to obvious and easily available facts.
So you're probably a troll.
|4 weeks 6 days ago||Since Sinn Fein immediately||
Since Sinn Fein immediately suggested Irish unification (and thus EU membership, which its populace favored) while Wales voted heavily to Leave, it seems to fit.
|5 weeks 7 hours ago||Detroit has a huge fan||
Detroit has a huge fan base... For an American hockey team.
But there's really no comparison with hockey fandom in the GTA. The Leafs run of wretchedness has hidden it a bit, but they have a fan base that dwarfs everything in the states. There's no analogous situation in the US at all.
|5 weeks 1 day ago||This is totally insane.||
This is totally insane. Seriously, a deliberate attempt to scuttle the hockey program is a legit possibility at this point. B1G hockey is experiencing an historic down period for several of its programs and MSU STILL cannot win games. This is embarrassing for everybody.
Everything I wrote here still stands: http://mgoblog.com/diaries/intervention-time-michigan-state-hockey-doubl...
|5 weeks 2 days ago||We should charge past them in||
We should charge past them in a few months.
|5 weeks 2 days ago||PS: Looks like you've quit||
Looks like you've quit for the night, and of course we disagree pretty strongly here and I'm not a fan of some of the hyperbole, but thanks for the discussion. I think we kept it fair and properly away from the "lock" edge.
|5 weeks 2 days ago||I'm hopelessly confused about||
I'm hopelessly confused about it. I grew up calling it "pop" in Michigan and hating the term. Then I switched to soda on my own, spent time in California, came here... it's a mess.
My accent and vocabulary are mostly normal but I have some weird hangups.
|5 weeks 2 days ago||An hour of lurking around||
An hour of lurking around finding different ways to say "me too" while Monocle actually addresses (somewhat) my arguments and engages in real debate... and this is the best you can come up with? Ok.
|5 weeks 2 days ago||Monocle Smile are going at it||
Monocle Smile and I are invigoratingly going at it at the bottom of the thread and this is the post that will actually get it locked.
Maybe there really isn't intelligent life here after all.
|5 weeks 2 days ago||Fair enough. I'll get a Coke||
I'll get a Coke and we'll make it happen.