|3 hours 49 min ago||As Michigan fans, I would||
As Michigan fans, I would expect a bit more realism from the optimistic side of the fanbase. Not that the sky is falling, but that guys who flash talent in one season aren't guaranteed to make significant developments in the following year. Some guys don't take that next step.
Also, I would be delighted if Newsome were ready next year, but the guy's leg was messed up to what appears to be a much higher degree than just a torn ligament. Multiple surgeries, a month of inpatient rehab... that doesn't sound good at all.
Here's the thing with the receivers: I don't think we can count on Crawford and McDoom and Perry all taking big steps next year. Not because they aren't talented, but because sometimes guys hit snags. They have trouble making catches or they have trouble running crisp routes or being in college invites personal discipline issues that keep them off the field (Perry this year, for example).
I am optimistic about our receivers not because I expect everyone to transform into a great player, but because Speight will be able to hit his guys and because the receivers graduating were good but not worldbeaters. It won't take huge growth for the current receivers and TEs to replace the guys that are graduating, and if either one of them or someone like DPJ can bring skills to the table like winning high-point passes that's a real positive.
Skill positions are young but promising. But the offense is going to rise or fall on the OL.
|5 hours 24 min ago||These videos are delightful,||
These videos are delightful, first college football stuff to really make me smile since... you know... that.
The acceptance video is just hilarious. The thread title really understates how perfectly the players and team are handling this.
|7 hours 59 min ago||Kugler was clearly in the||
Kugler was clearly in the conversation this season, albeit not close enough to win a job (he did, essentially, get passed by a freshman himself). How much did Dawson play, though? The left side was wide open for a competitive guy to step up after the Newsome injury and Dawson wasn't in the picture.
|8 hours 7 min ago||Awful news. Devastating for||
Awful news. Devastating for Ken and family.
|10 hours 31 min ago||I didn't say they were B+. In||
I didn't say they were B+. In the cases of Thomas and Perry both were very good college backs (Perry, of course, won the Doak Walker his senior year) but I don't think either of them were truly elite pro prospects. And Hoard, though a great player, wasn't even the #1 option on his own team.
|10 hours 34 min ago||"Out of the box." Barry||
"Out of the box." Barry didn't start until his junior year. Herschel and AP were Heisman finalists (and both have arguments that they should have been winners) their freshman seasons.
|10 hours 39 min ago||Nobody else was calling,||
Nobody else was calling, probably. He got an opportunity to work for a top-end P5 program as a coordinator. It was his one shot and he took it. Seriously, what other program with the recent success of Oregon would take a shot at a guy with no coordinating experience?
Sometimes people reach and take a shot at something. And sometimes they fail.
|10 hours 42 min ago||Hoke wasn't the only||
Hoke wasn't the only defensive problem (promoting the LB coach to DC in 2014, as discussed in this thread, seems to have been the start of the trouble) so I don't think firing him would be enough.
And, let's face it, our last two coaches failed in part because their assistant coaches could not get the job done. You could ask almost the same question about Rich Rodriguez and the practicality of just firing GERG. Hypothetically, RichRod with Don Brown as DC is a pretty good combo, right?
But head coaches are responsible for their staffs. Helfrich was incapable of 1. Seeing the problem and 2. correcting the problem.
Much the same way Hoke was incapable of seeing and addressing serious offensive problems early in his tenure when he had time to correct them. Hoke isn't the one who couldn't coach OL technique, and Hoke isn't the one whose mad genius playbook combined with completely unoriginal game-long playcalling to sink Borges, and Hoke wasn't the one who ruined Devin Gardner, and Hoke wasn't the one who couldn't teach RBs to run through holes that were open.
But it was his responsibility to make sure those things were taking place, and they weren't. Helfrich may be a good coordinator, but as a head coach he was unable to manage his program and to properly address problems with defense.
The way he said that was a cheap shot, but he wasn't wrong.
|12 hours 3 min ago||Yes, and that is one area||
Yes, and that is one area where the elite level players and prospects have been plentiful.
In the past, anyway.
It's what makes the running game move for teams like Alabama, too. They've had some good RBs in the Saban era, but dozens of college RBs could run for serious yardage through the holes those monsters blow open up front.
|12 hours 5 min ago||Are we really going to make a||
Are we really going to make a push to become the fanbase that constantly whines "All conference execs and officials are biased against us because reasons" all the time? I hope not. That would be pitiful.
|12 hours 24 min ago||Which is not an insult.||
Which is not an insult. Herschel and AP were, by some distance, the best out-of-the-box RBs in college football history, in my estimation. AP was playing a different sport from everyone else from the moment he stepped on the field, and in my opinion deserved the Heisman that year.
There's a lot of greatness available to guys that don't hit that mark.
|12 hours 37 min ago||Most of the country will be||
Most of the country will be solidly below normal in the incoming cold snap, FWIW.
|12 hours 40 min ago||Let's not kid ourselves,||
Let's not kid ourselves, though, we aren't exactly RB U. Guys like Jamie Morris and Mike Hart were great college backs, but pro success by Michigan RBs has been hard to find. Tyrone Wheatley is the only guy who was really an elite-level back and pro prospect in my lifetime, with maybe a small dollop of Tim Biakabatuka.
|12 hours 47 min ago||I suspect foul play with||
I suspect foul play with Bama, but that's just me.
|1 day 7 hours ago||"Speedy Florida talent"||
"Speedy Florida talent" sounds like typical shallow media thinking to me. Sure there are fast guys there. There are fast guys in California and New Jersey and Ohio and Texas and even in Michigan, too.
There's clearly a larger quantity of talented guys in Florida than in many other states. Assigning one characteristic or another to it seems simplistic.
What I suspect he has adapted to is recruiting at a place like USF that can't get the most talented guys, and if his team does in fact use a lot of speed players he has found a niche in which guys with incomplete profiles are targeted for one particular asset and developed in other areas.
But that's just a guess.
|1 day 7 hours ago||Where's the bleach||
Where's the bleach
|1 day 9 hours ago||2003 was the worst for me. I||
2003 was the worst for me. I was there, and Michigan was playing incredible hockey down the stretch that season. At one point Jason Ryznar was firing the puck into an open goal... and Minnesota Paul Martin miraculously got his glove down on the ice to prevent what would have been the winning goal.
I drove home to work Friday and then drove back to watch the final that Saturday. I spent the whole game watching Minnesota eviscerate UNH thinking, "this should have been us."
2011 is soul-crushing because it was the final, and all it takes is one shot to win it all. But the way the game was playing out, with Michigan exhausted and UMD dominating play in our end in the OT period leading up to the goal, at least suggested to me that the loss wasn't unjust or a fluke.
Living in Duluth, though, dealing with the aftermath has been kind of tough.
|1 day 11 hours ago||Michigan's history of NCAA OT||
Michigan's history of NCAA OT losses during the streak is just mindblowing.
1993: Lost semifinal to that greatest-of-the-decade Maine team.
1994: Lost flukey quarterfinal to LSSU at Munn (at the FF, Jeff Jackson said "The best team isn't even here.")
1995: Lost triple OT gut-wrencher semifinal to Maine.
1999: Lost quarterfinal to UNH
2003: Lost soul-crushing semifinal to eventual champion Minnesota
2004: Lost quarterfinal to BC
2008: Lost soul-crushing semifinal to Jeff Jackson's Notre Dame
2010: Robbed by refs disallowing winning goal, double OT quarterfinal to Miami (would have had a home FF in Detroit if goal had properly counted no I'm not bitter ok yes I am).
2011: Lost final to UMD. Ugh.
2012: Lost first round to Cornell.
What's awful about this is that I feel like I have to categorize how bad these losses are because 1993 and 1999 and 2004 and 2012 are "only" heartbreaking. Whereas 1995, 2003, 2008, and 2011 make one want to drink bleach.
|1 day 11 hours ago||I have stated repeatedly that||
I have stated repeatedly that Red has earned the right to choose when he retires. He made the program what it is, and without him it does not get nearly the attention here and in other places that it does.
But that does not mean he cannot be responsible for the current state of the program. It is a price I accept, but the current team on the ice is indeed his responsibility.
|1 day 11 hours ago||Do we even have a chance with||
Do we even have a chance with Gadowsky? I would imagine that staying at PSU would seem pretty attractive right now.
Lucia has a harder time fighting teams like Saint Cloud for talent than he used to, but he doesn't seem to be able to succeed with the talent he puts on the ice, either. Even if he can't just win a recruiting battle by coaching at Minnesota anymore, Minnesota ought to be at least as competitive as SCSU and North Dakota and they aren't.
|1 day 11 hours ago||I'm curious how much of||
I'm curious how much of Michigan's ability to adapt and play a game suited to its talent (2003's great forechecking team that pounded that astonishing, high-flying CC team and came this close to winning it all, vs. 2011's astonishing defensive masterpiece that also came this close to winning it all) was a result of Red's smart choices and how much was a result of Mel Pearson. 2011 was a coaching masterpiece... but Mel Pearson may have been the one with the paintbrush.
"Guys losing their fear of God" seems to be a nice way of suggesting that playing for Michigan isn't all that pleasant. I don't know if Red knows how to deal with modern athletes, and there doesn't seem to be enough leadership in the locker room to overcome it.
|1 day 12 hours ago||One could argue that player||
One could argue that player development in general hasn't been good. Some guys have grown (Zach Hyman for example) but for many players the skills they've shown on the ice have been the ones they've built themselves.
That last year's offense was keyed by a guy who came in with his skills already equipped before joining the team doesn't seem to be a huge coincidence.
|1 day 12 hours ago||I wouldn't be a significant||
I wouldn't be a significant college hockey fan if it weren't for Red. He should have retired sooner, but he has earned the right to get this wrong.
I hope he gets it right this spring.
|1 day 12 hours ago||Is it possible part of||
Is it possible part of Warde's reason for delay was the challenge of getting up to speed on an important hire so quickly? Hockey wouldn't be a total mystery to him, but with everything going on elsewhere as he steps in that could theoretically be a big ask.
I hope the big name, if it exists, isn't Don Lucia.
|2 days 6 hours ago||Hearsay from classmates in||
Hearsay from classmates in high school? We're digging a bit here. That hearsay may or may not be accurate. It also doesn't necessarily have anything to do with what he is now. Four years is a long time, particularly in young adulthood. I would speculate that a lot of people on this blog changed and grew quite a bit between 18 and 22 years old and might not be fond of everything they said or did when they were a teenager.
|2 days 6 hours ago||Things may have been||
Things may have been different for Shane if there had been different circumstances.
And they may not have been. He might just not be cut out to be an elite college QB.
No matter. He played for Michigan and by all appearances he worked hard and he endured potentially serious physical injury due to coaching incompetence and he was passed over multiple times as a starter and he has never, ever complained or said anything that could harm the program.
I'm sorry it didn't work out for him as a starter, but these things happen. I'm not even saddened by what-might-have-been. Life happened. He played for us loyally for four years. I am delighted that he has acquired a Michigan degree and that he has an opportunity to find a place to get real playing time.
Michigan man. Good luck!
|2 days 9 hours ago||It's an old Steve Spurrier||
It's an old Steve Spurrier line that he would use to dig at Tennessee, back in the days when Florida owned them.
I mean, that period in the 90s when Florida owned them. Because, this year excepted, they basically still do.
|2 days 9 hours ago||What evidence do you have||
What evidence do you have that Meyer has peaked at OSU, apart from your lying eyes? Do you have any idea how good their recruiting class is this year? Do you have any idea how many players Michigan loses from this year's defense?
You simply have no evidence to make the assertions you are making. A couple of good Evans runs against bad opponents and some nice McDoom end arounds? Nice plays, nice players. There's a lot of room between what limited things they've accomplished as freshmen and a team that is ready to compete for a national title next season. A lot of room.
As it happens, I have argued that the skill position players next year will be able to nearly match the quality of the guys this year (though that "decades" remark is a big stretch). But the defense, which you decline to address, will take a significant step back in talent.
|2 days 9 hours ago||Henne as Andrew Luck? That's||
Henne as Andrew Luck? That's insane.
Henne was shakey and inconsistent in 05 and 06. Go through the UFRs, look at how many games Henne stunk in. There were a lot, more than I remember. Brian directly attributes several 2005 losses to Henne and no one else.
Henne was a good player, but that fact is that he never lit the world on fire. Comparing him positively with Andrew Luck is ludicrous.
|2 days 11 hours ago||2003 achieved some things||
2003 achieved some things (beating Ohio State, prominently) that 2006 did not, but is there any real argument that they're actually better? That team lost three games. They were clearly outmatched in the Rose Bowl against USC, which contrasted with the 2006 team in that poor gameplanning and coaching wasn't as obvious an issue. They were sabotaged by horrible special teams and underperformed their talent level. And, unlike 2006, they lost a couple of road games that they absolutely should have won.
I liked that 2003 team but 3 losses with that roster is a crime. 2006 at least won the games that it was supposed to win handily.
|2 days 11 hours ago||Choose a quarterback: QB A:||
Choose a quarterback:
QB A: 183 of 293, 62.5 completion percentage, 2375 yards, 8.1 y/a, 17 tds, 6 ints, 145.6 rating
QB B: 203 of 328, 61.9 completeion percentage, 2508 yards, 7.6 y/a, 22 tds, 8 ints, 143.4 rating
Pretty close, right? QB A is Wilton Speight so far this year, 11 games played. QB B is Chad Henne in 2006.
Ironically you give this year's passing game skill positions way too much credit. Darboh-Chesson-Perry is just not in the same league as Manningham-Breaston-Arrington. So there is quite a contrast there. There is no significant breathing space between Henne that year and Speight this year.
|2 days 11 hours ago||You think that we will lose||
You think that we will lose most of our key players from this season's team that lost to OSU, while they bring almost everybody back, but we'll improve more than they will? I cannot take whatever it is you imbibing.
Your lack of understanding about the issues we face next year appears to be directly related to your lack of knowledge of what the roster looks like last year.
You say you would take Harbaugh's dudes over Hoke's guys any day. Well, that's the point--the guys that Hoke recruited to be junior and seniors this year aren't going to fill out the roster of a championship-contending team. So we're left with Harbaugh's guys, mostly freshman and sophomores.
Teams that play lots of freshman and sophomores usually have a hard time.
|2 days 11 hours ago||He doesn't fit neatly in the||
He doesn't fit neatly in the secondary and played LB for most of this season. I think he defies categorization.
He was brilliant and was the key player that allowed this defense to be as good as it was in the scheme it played. His hybrid position was important but also kept him from really loading up on counting stats, though, which a lot of people can't look past.
I don't think you can compare him with a guy like Ty Law. They didn't play anything remotely close to the same position. He's not really comparable with other OLBs, either. I think it's even harder than usual to make this kind of comparison.
|2 days 12 hours ago||There's a difference between||
There's a difference between scoring a lot and being explosive. This offense scored a lot, especially against inferior competition. Rarely, however, did they rip down the field in three plays, or get a brilliant play from an athlete to score a 70-yard TD (that Pepper run at Rutgers is the only play of this type I can remember, and that turned into a Hill vulture TD).
Michigan only rarely connected downfield, generally doing it just enough to gain the defense's respect, except in the two losses and the Colorado game. They weren't fielding a bunch of guys that were TD threats every time they touched the ball.
We thought Peppers or Evans could be that kind of guy, but it never really panned out that way. And that was a problem in games against Iowa and Ohio State where an athlete making just one huge play for us could have turned the game.
One big play late in either of those games and we're in the playoff. But we didn't have the explosiveness to do it.
|2 days 12 hours ago||The field in Pasadena was||
The field in Pasadena was fine. The 06 defense didn't get jobbed by the field; they got torched by the two best opponents they faced.
|2 days 12 hours ago||I would like to think that||
I would like to think that you're right, but we thought exactly the same thing after 2012 and the 2013 line was one of the worst units fielded in the history of the program.
We have better coaches now, yes, but we're talking about patching up the line with a combination of Hoke recruits that couldn't see the field in the past four years and true freshmen. I think cynicism is warranted. Also, Cole's performance this year was disappointing.
I worry less about the passing game weapons. Darboh was good but not elite, and Chesson was just a guy this year. Butt was terrific but never really changed any games. We know we have athletes coming up behind these guys, especially if we land DPJ. Couple that with a reasonable hope for improvement under center and we may be close to replacing the capability of the skill positions quicker than we'd expect.
If the line can block for them.
|2 days 12 hours ago||I think you're wrong here.||
I think you're wrong here. You're extrapolating from rumors of practice performances that O'Korn was outperforming Rudock in practice. We have no real evidence that this is really true.
And you're imputing a mentality on the coaches that they have actively demonstrated to be false, the idea that a guy who is superior in practice will not play because he's young.
Everything Harbaugh has demonstrated both in the way he speaks and the players he puts on the field demonstrates that the best player will play. If Peters out-competes Speight, he will start. The question entirely hinges upon whether or not Peters is good enough to be better.
|2 days 12 hours ago||I can't render a full verdict||
I can't render a full verdict on 2016 vs. 2006 until the bowl game. 2006 felt like a great season, even with the loss to OSU, until the USC disaster. USC didn't just beat Michigan in that game: They exposed the program past and future.
What they exposed is that Michigan was good at accruing talent and putting it on the field, but it did not know how to use the talent it had and wasn't that great at developing guys who weren't blue chips.
Michigan had the talent to compete with USC in that game. Chad Henne? Mario Manningham? Steve Breaston? Just as much passing game talent as USC had. But Michigan refused to use it, an issue visible even at the time if you review Brian's frustrated offensive UFRs from that year. Run-run-pass. Run-run-pass. As long as the game was close, the Carr-Debord dynasty saw no reason to change what wasn't working.
So that bowl game changed my opinion; I must reserve judgement until I see what Michigan does against a talented Florida State team that seems like a great matchup for us. If we win, I think this team must be considered better than 2006. Unlike 2006, the great defense did not let us down against Ohio State. Unlike 2006, Michigan did not squander copious offensive talent with poor gameplans and meh coaching. Instead, Michigan turned a 3-star redshirt sophomore QB, a couple of off-the-pile receivers, a mediocre offensive line, and a mixed stable of running backs into a capable offense that was nearly good enough to propel us to the national title.
2016 is less talented overall than 2006 (more on defense, must less on offense) but has much better coaching.
Next year? You don't replace generationally great players on defense and a host of other important starters and not feel it. What is good is that there is athleticism ready to step in, and Don Brown's teams usually have a second year "bump" as they learn the system. Hopefully those two factors help mitigate the losses.
But I would be very surprised if Michigan made a top four of the playoff committee at any time next season.
|3 days 13 hours ago||Ran for almost 4,000 yards in||
Ran for almost 4,000 yards in his career including a couple of thousand yard seasons.
|4 days 9 hours ago||Offense wasn't really our||
Offense wasn't really our problem against OSU, and Bass would not have miraculously given Mike Debord the guts to actually play aggressively when run-run-pass didn't work against USC or (inevitably) Florida.
I think he would've made a huge difference in 2008, though. Could've transformed RR's career. For better or for worse.
|4 days 9 hours ago||Nah. He liked downfield||
Nah. He liked downfield blocking, but you don't pass up top recruits for 2 or 3 star types just because they can block. He just wasn't good at recruiting playmakers.
|4 days 10 hours ago||Avant was that high? I don't||
Avant was that high? I don't remember that.
Regardless, all those guys delivered on the hype.
|4 days 10 hours ago||Me too. Sad face.||
Me too. Sad face.
|4 days 10 hours ago||Disagree here. Harbaugh is||
Disagree here. Harbaugh is teaching consistency and professionalism. Doing your job, competing hard. It's the philosophy that Saban uses at Bama. Also places like Clemson. It's the philosophy that Carroll built at USC. It's the philosophy that got him within a play of a Super Bowl title.
It's possible the team is wearing down late in the season, but it's not the philosophy that's doing it.
|4 days 10 hours ago||Fair.||
|4 days 10 hours ago||Defense in particular will||
Defense in particular will take a step back. Two generational guys and a number of other guys that are Greats in the annals of the program. You can't just replace Lewis and Peppers with anybody, no matter how much talent is in the pipeline.
The anxiety about the offense relates to: 1. The OL, which was a weakness and now loses guys; 2. The fact that we've seen guys who MAY develop into reliable players but have not yet proven that they will.
|4 days 10 hours ago||(Also Braylon was not a||
(Also Braylon was not a highly ranked recruit, we forget what a surprise his development was).
|4 days 10 hours ago||They were good, Darboh in||
They were good, Darboh in particular, but not elite. You've forgotten what elite receiver play looks like. Which, you know, makes sense given what we're discussing here.
|4 days 10 hours ago||And QB recruiting and even RB||
And QB recruiting and even RB and OL recruiting. Is there a single top 100 Hoke offensive recruit that has lived up to their ranking?
|4 days 10 hours ago||Hard to tell what they will||
Hard to tell what they will do. The OL is a real worry, as it was this year. But there's reason for optimism.
|4 days 10 hours ago||His connection with Gardner,||
His connection with Gardner, from the day Gardner started at QB, was magical. Incredible route-runner.
|4 days 10 hours ago||2003 was the year we got||
2003 was the year we got Breaston, isn't it?
Bad breaks with guys like Harris (injury) and Stonum ("issues") make our recruiting look worse than it otherwise could be. But Hoke really recruited poorly and it shows. The only game-changing type prospects he landed in the passing game were Morris and Harris. As it happens, neither has panned out. But you can't assume they will, and there was no solid backup plan. We are fortunate Chesson and Darboh developed as well as they did. I've discussed some of Chesson's shortcomings, but he has never been anything other than a pleasant surprise based on the capabilities he has demonstrated.
Hard to overstate how important this recruiting class is. Hoke just couldn't recruit gamebreakers on offense and it showed this year. Combine Harbaugh's coaching with legit talent and look out.
|4 days 10 hours ago||They were practicing less||
They were practicing less late in the year. Considerably less intense if I read correctly.
|4 days 10 hours ago||I want to neg you for griping||
I want to neg you for griping about negs (just make your argument and own it) but Harbaugh himself observed conditioning was an issue after Iowa (I think) and I tend to agree that the team seemed to wear down late. I don't hold this against the D, which was great in both losses and only relented late after repeated offensive failures, but the team as a whole seemed to decline. MSU is an example of this, too, IMO.
|4 days 10 hours ago||It has been a concern from||
It has been a concern from early in the season that the OL could be a liability in key games against great DLs. I had basically accepted that we had basically no chance against Bama if we made it that far; the OL kept us from making it that far earlier than that.
|6 days 2 hours ago||That was true every year of||
That was true every year of the Lloyd Carr era. They still had much more impressive running attacks in other years. And Thomas was good, but not great that year, as you would expect from a freshman playing behind a polished senior.
|6 days 2 hours ago||McMurtry and Chris Calloway.||
McMurtry and Chris Calloway. Yeah, great players. I checked their stats today, they were... less impressive than I remember.
Which is not a knock on them. It is entirely a function of the changing state of the game, especially the contrast between Bo and the modern era. Their stats don't look impressive because we are used to seeing stats from teams that pass 40 times a game. In their era, they were very good.
|6 days 5 hours ago||Agree 100%.||
|6 days 5 hours ago||What do you mean by "less||
What do you mean by "less functional?" I love its features and functions and will continue to use it for the forseeable future. If you're just referring to software that runs on it, well, yes, there are compromises there, but also certain applications available that don't have good Windows alternatives.
The computers themselves cost a lot, yes, but for those who value the hardware and OS it is worthwile to them. I am just plain more comfortable and more productive on a Mac laptop than on a Windows laptop.
I have, however, gone the PC route for a "power" computer, since upgrading the hardware of a Mac can only occur at the time you order and is ridiculously expensive. And Windows 10 is fine on it.
EDIT: And because I can't stop talking, some further elaboration on this: Technology has advanced so much that consumer hardware is just ridiculously juiced right now. Incredible hard drive space, solid state drives, RAM at prices that used to be unthinkable. A computer with 16+ gigs of RAM, a decent SSD for OS and key apps, and a big honking regular hard drive with incredible space can run incredibly smoothly and near-instantaneously fast and is a joy to use on any current OS.
The problem is that these features all cost tons of money on a Mac, and you need to choose it up front because the hardware is not upgradeable. This has always been an issue, but IMO with the accessibility of SSDs and other features the upside for better hardware is now much higher. My Windows PC loads in seconds, and the difference in starting up Word on my work Mac and my home PC is shocking.
And Windows is catching up to Mac in usability. Yay competition.
|6 days 5 hours ago||Would have been interesting,||
Would have been interesting, since we tied three times. That was the year that Alabama shocked a heavily favored Miami in the Sugar Bowl. Bama had the best defense in the country that season.
Also very good that season was FSU, which lost in Miami due to Wide Right II (would have tied the game had the field goal made it) and Notre Dame, which of course we tied early in the season.
|6 days 6 hours ago||True. I tend to think of||
True. I tend to think of Terrell maturing sooner, while Walker really didn't emerge as a top threat until 2001 when he was the entire offense.
But a quick check of the stats reveals that both Knight and Walker cleared 30 catches that season, while Terrell had 61. So Terrell was indeed the alpha dog, but Walker was a bigger contributor than my memory recalls. Burnishes the reputation of the group as a whole.
|6 days 6 hours ago||"What happened against||
"What happened against Illinois" was turnovers. Double digit fumbles, if you can believe that. Someone else was just discussing that game, and it came up.
|6 days 6 hours ago||Nevermind, found the page||
Nevermind, found the page myself. (link)
36 points a game, #1 in the nation that year. 345 yards rushing a game at 5.9 per carry.
Hard to argue with that.
|6 days 6 hours ago||Before my time, obviously. Do||
Before my time, obviously. Do you have access to more stats from that season? I would be interested.
|6 days 6 hours ago||Secret: The OL wasn't that||
Secret: The OL wasn't that good that year. For the season they averaged 3.2 yards per carry, 118 rushing yards per game. That's not great. They weren't able to run particularly well against Alabama, either, but certain other members of the team managed to come back and make up for it.
|6 days 6 hours ago||Averaged 43 carries for 171||
Averaged 43 carries for 171 yards per game, 4 yards per carry. Good, not great. The line was better in later years.
Our memory tends to overrate that offense because it won a title; it was not one of Lloyd's better offenses. Other phases of the game obviously made the difference.
|6 days 6 hours ago||That was a good corps, as was||
That was a good corps, as was the '06 group.
In 1990 we had Desmond Howard and Derrick Alexander. In 1992 Alexander was joined by young Amani Toomer. 1999 had David Terrell, Marcus Knight, and young Marquise Walker.
Lots to pick from. I would probably take '04 or '06, with Breaston as an excellent third option putting a good crew over the top.
|6 days 6 hours ago||That 90 OL won the MVP award||
That 90 OL won the MVP award of the Gator Bowl as a group. That's a pretty strong vote there.
|6 days 8 hours ago||Good to see you again.||
Good to see you again.
|6 days 9 hours ago||Mac guy here, built a PC with||
Mac guy here, built a PC with Windows 10. It's great for me so far.
|6 days 9 hours ago||I'm using a non-Samsung m2 in||
I'm using a non-Samsung m2 in my newer PC build and it's great.
|6 days 23 hours ago||(The last title was 19 years||
(The last title was 19 years ago, but if you want a list of the heartbreaking near misses since then, I can write one up for you. It's really, really, really long. St. Paul wasn't that long ago. Last season was probably a mild underachievement, too, but it wasn't a bad team at all and healthily made the tournament and won the conference tournament).
|6 days 23 hours ago||There's good discussion here,||
There's good discussion here, and that's a legit question. I have no inside info, but here's some supposition:
I think Red's had his finger on the trigger for several years. I think he would have retired if Michigan had beaten UMD in St. Paul, and in fact I was prepared for him to announce it on the ice. I think he enjoys coaching but he knows that he has been in a position to retire soon for a while.
Still, he's had unfinished business to come back to. Michigan went to OT in the national title game, reasonable to think the team is so close. A flukey OT tournament loss the next season in a tourney Michigan could easily have won, reasonable to think the team is close. Then there were missed tourneys, which isn't how you want to finish, and good recruits coming in. And a return to success isn't unprecedented--Jack Parker managed to pull his team out of a long slump and win a national title before he retired. Red might have been hoping for the same thing.
Always a reason to come back. I thought he should have retired after 14-15 when a very talented team failed to make the tournament, and Larkin and Copp both surprised us and left.
But he stubbornly came back, and was kind of proven right by how well the team played last year.
However, I think the Compher and Motte departures really took him off guard. Those guys come back and you have, at least on paper, a talent base to work with. Connor was gone, of course, but those guys seemed like good shots to stay. At least, I assume that's what he was thinking, because there's no way he wants to go out like this, and after everybody left this was pretty much a sure thing.
So this is it. A bad team, hopefully at the end of his career.
I have no way of verifying your report of what the assistant said, but if that's true is does not surprise me in the least. I think Pearson was the real engine before he left and the results kind of speak for themselves now. Too many talented teams have come through with poor player development, too many teams with questionable locker rooms, too many red flags.
Andrew Copp was the bellweather. His freshman year he was asserting leadership and playing hard and scoring key goals on an otherwise listless team. An Ann Arbor kid, playing at his dream school, a guy with slim pro prospects, the next great captain of the team.
I was absolutely stunned that he left early. Larkin was disappointing, but you could at least understand him taking the check. Same with Trouba and, later, Connor. But Copp had everything to play for in college.
And he wanted to leave.
That tells me that things are very unpleasant. I don't know if it's just an out of touch coach or something else, but Copp didn't want to be at Michigan anymore.
When I say that Red has earned the right to call his shot, that doesn't mean I think he should keep coaching. It means that I will live with it if he doesn't. But I think he should have retired two years ago.
|6 days 23 hours ago||This is an interesting||
This is an interesting theory. And it's easy to dump everything on DB, who is both an incompetent villain and a convenient scapegoat.
I would say this: Mel Pearson was not anxious to leave when Tech offered him the job. He waffled on it quite a bit. He was settled in the Ann Arbor area, his family was here, and I believe he actually initially declined.
I believe he was encouraged to go. How much of that encouragement was Red saying "I'm not retiring for a while" and how much of it was "if you want this job you need some head coaching experience," I don't know. But at the time I thought he was going to get head coaching experience to be a better candidate to replace Red. He certainly seems to be there now.
FWIW Brian has heard whispers and the feelings I've seen from around the outside of the program suggest that Mel is probably the guy. And he's good, so it's not a bad move. The downturn of the program and his departure is not coincidental.
|1 week 2 hours ago||No need to lose your cool.||
No need to lose your cool. Red appears to have lost his fastball, yes. And the team is underperforming, yes.
The players that are there are playing hard.
And, while this season stinks, Red has earned the right to stay on too long. I am probably not a significant fan of the sport of college hockey if not for Red. The vast majority of the current Michgian Hockey fanbase does not exist in its current state if not for Red. The expectations you are putting on the team are not reasonable if not for Red.
He was a great player for this program. He went to the NHL, he coached in the NHL, and, like Harbaugh, he came back home to rebuild a program in tatters.
He succeeded, emphatically. A peerless tournament streak. The Yost experience. The Winged helmets. All-time greats like Turco and Morrison. An incredible run of Frozen Fours. Two national titles.
The end here is a bit ugly, but this program will rise quickly. And hanging on in decline is a privilege Red earned with his incredible success to this point.
|1 week 3 hours ago||I didn't. They are||
I didn't. They are undeserved, the result of a technical issue.
|1 week 3 hours ago||This is the least talented||
This is the least talented team Michigan has put on the ice since the streak started, in my opinion.
The issue of depatures is nothing new. Programs that recruit top players deal with it. Michigan has dealt with it for years.
The missed the tourney three years in a row with solid NHL talent on the roster. They were good last season; this season's team is not as good as its record.
I have a strong suspicion that some of the early depatures have been the result of a not-so-great situation off the ice. As Brian pointed out on twitter, Cooper Marody's suspension is a big red flag here. So was the departure of Andrew Copp, who was the ideal four-year Michigan guy who grew up in Ann Arbor. Motte and Compher departures, too.
I don't think Michigan is a great place to play hockey right now.
|1 week 3 hours ago||At least someone is winning||
At least someone is winning this week.
|1 week 4 hours ago||Michigan is not good. And||
Michigan is not good. And Penn State is.
Really not complicated, unfortunately.
|1 week 6 hours ago||So, question to you (though I||
So, question to you (though I think a lot of us have various preferences about what is and is not acceptably polite driving): Does it affect your perception of such actions as rude that the individuals doing these things are not necessarily visible as people, but as vehicles?
I tend to think of driving as a solitary activity. I listen to a radio station of my choice, I can hold a phone conversation, etc. So meeting someone at an intersection isn't really a "social" meeting.
In contrast, if I were navigating a busy lobby or hallway, I don't feel like I'm doing something on my own. I am passing through a large number of people. I don't feel like I'm in my own space in nearly the same way. It's much more anonymous in a car, in my experience anyway.
|1 week 7 hours ago||If Wilson was potentially||
If Wilson was potentially endangering players, but it wasn't a situation corrupting the entire staff, I guess this makes sense. I would like to think that B1G teams can hire better coaches than they often do, but then again this is Indiana we are talking about.
Indiana is never going to be elite. But they were scary competitive in the best division in college football. They've been consistently competitive for years. So, if Allen is clean with regards to the alleged Wilson problems, this might be a realistic choice to continue the existing plan. No need to disrupt the program to hire some unknown coordinator or mid-level MAC coach when you can continue a program that has grown impressively on the field.
And the defense has certainly shown real improvement, so it seems that the guy knows how to coordinate. Why not move him up?
|1 week 7 hours ago||Road Rage and Internet Anger||
Road rage is a strange concept on the surface. Why is there a type of emotional action that is specifically associated with driving, a practice that has only existed since the beginning of the 20th century?
For most people who experience driving-related anger, I believe that the feelings one experiences are similar to those experienced in a forum like this, or like Twitter or Reddit. That is, these are contexts in which the perceived offense against our person that prompts anger is divorced from the humanity of the person causing that offense.
You weren't cut off in traffic by Angela Merit, 34-year-old mother of two who has a baby screaming in the backseat because naptime was half an hour ago but she was stuck in line at the grocery store. What you see is that you were cut off by a blue Toyota Siena, the driver of which is only slightly visible if at all.
In the same way, you aren't angry at Darren Holland, a 38-year old divorcee who is constantly discouraged at his job because younger guys seem to get better opportunities, who doesn't get to see his kids as much as he should but doesn't know how to connect with them when he does, and who happens to write in a way that makes him sound short-tempered when discussing a football team he uses as an escape; you are angry at a screen name (such as "FantasyHero868") and an avatar of a bodybuilder flexing his muscles that Darren pulled off of Google images.
It is easier to be angry at people we don't know at all than people we at least understand as real humans. A lot of online and road-based anger stems from this dehumanization, I think.
And it's a bit different than a guy pulling out a guy and shooting someone. I would guess that most people on this forum have overreacted in the contexts described above; I know I occasionally see a car or a twitter avi instead of a person. The assailant was acting in a manner that was much more out of control.
|1 week 7 hours ago||I think this is what you||
I think this is what you mean, but according to the witness McKnight was apologizing, and his killer pulled out a gun and murdered him anyway. Just to clarify the pronouns here.
|1 week 7 hours ago||Aggression, you mean,||
Aggression, you mean, uncontrolled anger?
You're right, it doesn't get enough attention. But it's not just an illness or something people are born with, either. Uncontrolled emotive behavior is a learned habit. It's not easy, but that behavior can change.
Sorry, I've seen too many people excuse destructive levels of anger by saying "that's just who I am" when it is not the case.
|1 week 8 hours ago||Earlier, I think. He was||
Earlier, I think. He was supposed to be the next Reggie Bush when he came to USC. Obviously, things didn't work out that way. Had nothing to do with today, though, and the description from an eye-witness is terrible.
|1 week 8 hours ago||Welp. MOM!!!!||
|1 week 8 hours ago||Took until almost the end for||
Took until almost the end for Brian to say the first thing that came to my mind on the offensive list: The RB options in the conference just aren't very good this year. Corey Clement was a serviceable but unspectacular back who didn't change any game that he played.
This is a bit of a step back from where the conference was at the RB position two years ago, when guys like Elliott and Gordon and a number of others were a dominant position group. Cyclical, I suppose. In other cyclical news, is a serious rise in QB quality on the way?
|1 week 9 hours ago||The issues you illustrate in||
The issues you illustrate in the first three paragraphs are real. A coach who is not a great X and O guy would give me pause. CEO guys need the right coordinators around them.
But the solution you suggest is flat wrong. Particularly Purdue and IU. That would be a lateral move for him at best, at schools scarcely able to attract better talent than a good MAC team in the best of times and faced with schedules that are impossible climbs anyway.
He could prove himself over more time. Or he could go to a midlevel P5 school and thrive there. Or, given the sparseness of the coaching field this offseason with big-name teams like LSU already settling for suboptimal guys, he can get a bigger job and try to assemble a staff that can handle the demands.
Going to IU is about the worst thing Fleck could do.
|1 week 9 hours ago||Did he? Wow. I wonder if that||
Did he? Wow. I wonder if that helped prompt this.
Come to think of it, there have been over the years an awful lot of guys transfering or leaving early. Like, susprising numbers of guys who were set to start or get serious playing time. And I hadn't even heart that Diamont had quit.
The picture is becoming clearer here. And it's not a good picture for Wilson. My guess is that Indiana will come out of this looking pretty good for taking action, and if anything the only questions may be why it took this long.
|1 week 9 hours ago||Oh, if the pieces of||
Oh, if the pieces of information floating around do turn into a case of a coach abusing the players, I agree that he needs to be fired. And as information rapidly coalesces we are hearing stories of fireable offenses. If true, it looks like Indiana actually did a great job getting ahead of this and dealing with it.
Does not change the likely trajectory of the program in his wake. Wilson's ability to produce quality teams from poor recruiting classes, in a division that is turning into a monster, made him an ideal fit for a program in a school that does not prioritize football. Nobody will want that job.
|1 week 10 hours ago||The "Rival is right" rule is||
The "Rival is right" rule is usually a good barometer for this sort of thing. How do your opponents feel about this move?
As a Michigan fan, this is fantastic news. Maryland appears to be rising, Penn State is the reigning division champ, MSU has a terrific coach, and OSU is OSU... we need another weak team in the division to guarantee a W every year. Indiana under Wilson was not that team. Indiana under basically anybody else that they can actually hire will probably be that team.
That football program is going to collapse. A team that scared the fire out of three teams in the top ten, beating a team that was in the playoff last year, with 2-star athletes everywhere.
As a college football fan, this isn't good at all. Indiana had better have a really good reason for this move.
|1 week 10 hours ago||This detail could be very||
This detail could be very interesting.
It could be the IU athletic department trying to justify a dumb decision, of course. But if there were real issues with how he treated players, well, it doesn't pay to wait around to do something about it.
Especially at Indiana, given who their basketball team used to be coached by.
|1 week 1 day ago||It's not that far off.||
It's not that far off. Holgorsen has actually used a run-heavy attack this year, he's not a one-note guy. The ability to adapt is something Oregon could use at this point. And Holgorsen can use the talent that is already on the roster, so the transition costs are low.
|1 week 1 day ago||A guy like Jimbo Fisher also||
A guy like Jimbo Fisher also fits the description. Technically, so does Nick Saban. Wouldn't surprise me if a key detail in that description was changed to avoid implication, though (and that would need to be the case for Stoops, since the current recruiting ranking system wasn't really in place when Stoops went to OU).
|1 week 2 days ago||Good numbers. The defensive||
Good numbers. The defensive collapse isn't all on Hoke, but he failed to turn things around. Those types of numbers look... familiar to me, as to most of us who suffered through the RR era. Helfrich did not get the right guy or the right players for his defense, and it killed him.
|1 week 2 days ago||"They" didn't choose Florida||
"They" didn't choose Florida over Michigan. The BCS did, which was based on a combination of polls and computer rankings.
I don't disagree that Michigan has a tough road. But you're digging yourself a deep hole here in the way you are arguing your points. And I think your logic is specious. The committee may not be doing a good job in how it evaluates the quality and worthiness of the teams, but that is what it is considering, not conference politics or tv ratings.
|1 week 2 days ago||No, he's right. We saw our D||
No, he's right. We saw our D wear out against OSU. We've seen our offense grind to a halt not only against Ohio State but also against Iowa and, to a lesser extent, against Wisconsin.
Alabama hasn't given up a touchdown in a month.
That includes mega-games against LSU and Auburn. Gripe about their offenses if you want, but Bama hasn't given up a TD to anybody since October.
We have a terrific team with the best defense we've seen in a generation. Alabama looks like an all-time team.
And their offense is pretty good, btw. They have the O-Line we wish we had.
If we somehow played them it would take a miracle to win. Not impossible, but unlikely.
|1 week 2 days ago||I don't think it's a poor||
I don't think it's a poor double standard at all. Dantonio has proven his ability to build a team. Helfrich has only proven the ability to take a winning team with a great QB and continue to win for a season or two.
|1 week 2 days ago||This would be hilarious. Not||
This would be hilarious.
Not in a good way for Oregon, but for the rest of us.
|1 week 2 days ago||I think he's too old to be a||
I think he's too old to be a plausible hire at a big-time program. And he's found himself a good spot--he just turned in a bomb of a season and could have another one and still wouldn't get fired, because he's brought MSU to heights not seen in 50 years and has earned his ticket. He's not a dynamite recruiter, but he can develop talent.
If he were five years younger I actually think he would be a good fit at Notre Dame, assuming Notre Dame is prepared to accept that it won't be competing with Alabama and Ohio State every single season. He can take the type of guys ND could qualify and coach them up into a tight group, with solid defense and surprisingly good traditional offense. It's his way.
But he's in his sixties, and guys that age aren't in high demand. Some of that may be unfair, but some of it is just good sense--when you hire a college coach you aren't just thinking about next year, but about five and ten years down the line. I don't think he will be coaching at a top level in ten years.
|1 week 2 days ago||McElwain would be a big||
McElwain would be a big surprise, wouldn't it? He hasn't done badly at Florida at all.
Frost has only been at UCF for a year, but it's been a good year. The upside is that there's a decent chance the guy can really coach; the downside is that there isn't enough data to know for sure yet, and a Frost hire basically continues a lot of the existing regime. Which might need some shaking up.
I think Holgorsen might actually be a good choice for them.
|1 week 2 days ago||Sounds about right.||
Sounds about right.
|1 week 2 days ago||The talk about this being||
The talk about this being "the year" is because we had a great collection of talent, and a lot of that talent is leaving. Look at how many names are on this list that are guys that weren't huge contributors this season. That's a lot of new guys to step up. Good coaching and good talent, yes, but not the same as what we had.
Seriously, every starting defensive player got some sort of all-B1G mention. And in Lewis and Peppers we had two generational players whose ability doesn't just come along every season. We had the DL of a lifetime. This isn't just an annually good defense, it's a defense of legend.
And most of the key guys that made it a defense of legend (Charlton, Glasgow, Wormley, Peppers, Lewis, plus quality contributors nearly everywhere else) are leaving.
Yeah, there's talent behind them. But it's young talent and not all talent pans out the way we think it should.
Next year's defense is going to take a step back. There's no way it cannot.
If Harbaugh can keep up the recruiting momentum (really wanted that win Saturday partly for this reason, and OSU isn't slowing down on its recruiting either) we'll be in position to be terrific every year in two years. But next year is a project.
|1 week 2 days ago||Chesson was hittable by||
Chesson was hittable by Rudock because he was wide open a fair amount of the time. That happened a lot less this year. He never, not even once, burned a DB as badly as he burned Hargreaves in the Citrus Bowl.
I don't think he's a great route runner, and I wouldn't be surprised if injuries robbed him of some lateral agility that further hampered those efforts. When Rudock was hitting his stride, Chesson was making great cuts and getting open in key places. I can't remember him ever being that open this year. When Speight hit him accurately, he was still well covered. Remember that gorgeous TD against Rutgers? Chesson was blanketed and Speight hit him in the only spot that he could complete a pass.
But it was notable that Chesson was blanketed. That wasn't OSU's secondary he was playing against. He was blanketed a lot.
I don't want to imply that he's a bad player, but there are some tools that he didn't have. He still played his guts out for the team all year.
|1 week 2 days ago||I agree that two years from||
I agree that two years from now is very promising.
I hope it's not "the year" because I hope by then we have such a solid pipeline of top five classes and quality coaching that we are prepared to compete for the playoff every year. So senior Speight (or sophomore Peters or something) leads an excellent offense, but the talent coming in behind is good enough that next season is also a "year" and the season after that as well.
I hope. Need to land those recruits.
|1 week 2 days ago||Larger question is, who, if||
Larger question is, who, if anyone, gets any attention besides Butt? Maybe honorable mention for a guy like Darboh or Speight (though I suppose Speight could make second team). That's probably it, though.
|1 week 2 days ago||And just looking at counting||
And just looking at counting stats is better... how?
People who follow conference teams know who is good in the conference. They see them and they see the teams they cover play against them.
This is a loaded defense. But Peppers was a step above. His athleticism and his versatility made everything else work. He was irreplaceable.
If anything, this is a sign that voters are thinking more, not less.
|1 week 2 days ago||No idea if Michigan bends the||
No idea if Michigan bends the rules, but it's pretty obvious that cheating is widespread in college football, the same way it was obvious that doping was widespread in cycling 10 years ago even though Lance Armstrong never failed a drug test.
|1 week 2 days ago||No idea if Michigan bends the||
No idea if Michigan bends the rules, but it's pretty obvious that cheating is widespread in college football, the same way it was obvious that doping was widespread in cycling 10 years ago even though Lance Armstrong never failed a drug test.
|1 week 2 days ago||PSU is not like the others,||
PSU is not like the others, because it was a situation where a long-time coach, a friend of the leadership, was allowed to perpetuate monstrosity.
Baylor and Tennessee are examples of the ugly tip of the iceberg of the situations described in the article. The problem the article illustrates is that in many places the line isn't particularly obvious. It's not just that some guys are taking cash, but the bad guys are obvious problems that should be kicked out; it's that coaches walk in and find a series of messy issues in which the idealistic response could cripple a program they've just been hired to turn into a winner.
Those situations range from players taking cash to players getting away with not going to class to players with serious disciplinary issues that you need on the field.
And so drawing the line isn't so easy. Which is where a guy like Briles can get in trouble, but not drawing a line at all. It's clear that Briles built a winner by getting players with problems and letting stuff go, to the most extreme levels. His success was built on trouble guys and he never determined what was too much.
|1 week 2 days ago||Very little chance of that.||
Very little chance of that. Pro arenas are terrible places for college hockey even when there's a fanbase in town, and the expense of starting a college hockey program is huge. UNLV is not the sort of athletic department that can undertake it.
Club teams simply are not good analogues for NCAA programs in hockey.
|1 week 2 days ago||Lots of similarities. Look||
Lots of similarities.
Look past the BR website: This is a legit eye-opening article.
And it doesn't instill me with a lot of confidence in the sport, I can tell you that.
|1 week 2 days ago||Not sure what "production"||
Not sure what "production" people wanted out of him. Nobody threw against him, nobody attempted to gain the edge against him, and basically with few exceptions he made exactly the play he needed to and more every time he was in position to do so. Teams built their entire gameplans around staying out of his neighborhood.
There's a reason that McCray had been identified as Michigan's edge weakness all year, and the reason was that nobody edged Peppers. They always went the other way.
|1 week 2 days ago||He was good until he got hurt||
He was good until he got hurt last year. He would be, to me, a clear upgrade for each of the three teams on the interest list that are on our schedule next season.
For his purposes it seems like Florida would be the best destination, because that team continues to contend in a weak division with a black hole under center and could be dangerous with him. I want him to go to MSU the least, because he could improve them even if they don't beat us and I don't want them to win anything.
|1 week 2 days ago||You think mindlessly looking||
You think mindlessly looking at counting stats is an antidote for shallow thinking?
|1 week 2 days ago||Peppers played the whole||
Peppers played the whole season, in contrast with those two, and he was the lynchpin for the best defense in the conference. Yeah, Lewis and Charlton were incredible. Peppers was otherworldly and controlled what the offense did on every play.
Seriously. How often did offenses throw screens or run edge plays in his direction? There's a reason it almost never happened.
|1 week 2 days ago||BTW Malik Zaire is||
BTW Malik Zaire is transfering. His top suitors, according to Irish Illustrated? Well, Pitt is one. The other three are Florida, Wisconsin, and MSU.
So get ready to play against Zaire next year.
|1 week 2 days ago||Defense was everything we||
Defense was everything we wanted it to be. Wish we could've won one more road game.
|1 week 2 days ago||The non-guaranteed fifth year||
The non-guaranteed fifth year will make for some interesting moments later on. I hate speculating on will/won't but looking at that list I can see a couple of guys who may be looking at an uphill battle to win their spot on next year's team.
Surprised that Malzone is ready to graduate after 3 years already. If so, good for him. With most of those guys, are you just throwing up any name for whom its a remote possibility? Or is there chatter about guys like Gentry?
|1 week 2 days ago||Interesting. Wouldn't||
Interesting. Wouldn't surprise me, given the strength of the two teams. The week before "rivalry week" often features a lot of dud games, which increases the desire of the networks to put a good game in prime time for ratings. This is surely a desireable game.
Which stinks for me, because I could theoretically make it to Madison if they played at noon. But no way the game is scheduled at noon.
|1 week 2 days ago||Yeah, club hockey means||
Yeah, club hockey means nothing here. Lots of schools have club teams (including Michigan) and almost without exception they aren't candidates for NCAA D-I hockey.
|1 week 2 days ago||I think you're||
I think you're overgeneralizing about young QBs. Each player is different.
Yeah, Speight's deep ball accuracy has been inconsistent. There have definitely been throws that have missed sure TDs, and that might have cost us the game against Iowa. He has also hit a couple of beautiful deep passes (Wisconsin, for example), but obviously improvement would be nice.
It should also be said that his receivers were not great deep-ball receivers. Both Chesson and Darboh had a habit of getting lost when the ball was in the air, and Chesson in particularly adjusted poorly to balls that he could have made a play on. As a consequence, the windows Speight had to hit to complete those passes were smaller than they would be with a guy like Braylon Edwards at the other end.
But he's still a relatively young QB. Not the biggest hotshot talent, no, but one must assume that a guy with his proven work ethic will continue to develop into next year. Deep ball accuracy will be a big part of this development.
Remember, he was a redshirt sophomore. The same academic year that John Navarre was in 2001, when Navarre was thrown into the position because Henson left and struggled tremendously for the entire season. And that coaching staff was able to coach Navarre into a good QB by his senior year. What can Harbaugh do for Speight?
|1 week 2 days ago||The DL will be a lot less||
The DL will be a lot less deep. This season's DL's was historically good; I don't expect things to stay the same. The back end, plus the Peppers spot, are real questions. Might get away with that against average teams, but good QBs (assuming we play any) will be problematic.
Michigan will probably be dogs at Wisco and especially Penn State, which probably opens the season solidly in the top ten. I think MSU will be tough but manageable. I have no idea what to expect against Florida.
|1 week 2 days ago||I'm hopeful. We haven't||
I'm hopeful. We haven't really seen this "in the field" yet, but a year of work and age, and an opportunity to start should produce some stuff.
I love Perry's route skills. They are going to be a tremendous asset next year.
|1 week 2 days ago||If there's enough chatter||
If there's enough chatter that Brian mentions it in a feature like this, it's some serious chatter.
My guess is that he really wants to play RB, something he said when he came. And, well, you see the depth chart--we return three guys who got serious, productive snaps this season, plus potentially Drake Johnson, plus Kareem Walker. And we're deep in pursuit of Najee Harris (though I expect he defaults to Bama in the end).
There's a lot of talent in front of him. If FB isn't attractive to him...
|1 week 2 days ago||We have an advantage here:||
We have an advantage here: Harbaugh, perhaps to a fault, did not "protect" Speight this year. The passing game was a huge component of the offense whether it was wise or not. I think it serves him well going forward.
|1 week 2 days ago||"improved... OL." We'll see.||
We'll see. No question that this year's was disappointing, but we're talking about replacing serviceable guys with really young players.
This isn't the Hoke regime anymore, but we DID say basically the same thing after 2012, and we've seen an unbroken string of disappointing OLs since that time. It's not easy to replace three guys on the OL no matter who has been recruited.
And a questionmark OL equals a questionmark offense.
Speight's spot is in question because he demonstrated real flaws this year and we have a guy in Peters who is a Harbaugh-type guy with a lot of talent. So, who knows how well he develops in the offseason? The comforting thing is that Peters won't win the job by default--if he endangers Speight, it's because he's really good.
But if Speight is the guy next season I have a lot of confidence in our passing game.
|1 week 2 days ago||I think WR concerns are a bit||
I think WR concerns are a bit overblown because I think our WR corps was a bit overrated this year.
Darboh was everything we could have hoped for. Chesson, in my opinion, took a step back. He frequently had trouble getting open. And Darboh, while a good pass-catcher and a guy who could make some fancy one-handed catches, wasn't good at adjusting to long passes in the air and left some catches on the field.
They weren't bad, but as a group they weren't great, either. Nobody was a "weapon," the kind of guy Speight could throw to that could use his talent to make a play out of nothing.
The guys coming back have yet to show that ability, either, but that just means they aren't a clear upgrade. But running routes and catching passes within the function of the offense? I'm optimistic.
|1 week 2 days ago||If he comes to Michigan I||
If he comes to Michigan I feel like he'll push for a spot right away and will get significant snaps. Unless someone else (say, Gentry) develops this over the offseason, he has the potential to bring something to the table that Michigan hasn't had this year--a receiver who can reliably win 50-50 passes.
Our top three receivers coming back right now are Perry, Crawford, and McDoom. But these are all smaller quick guys. Good assets, but nobody who is a target outside. I believe DPJ can be that target.
|1 week 2 days ago||Going to be a rebuilding||
Going to be a rebuilding year. May still be a 10-win rebuilding year, because Harbaugh, but there are going to be some real headaches.
I am pessimistic about Newsome's ability to fully contribute next season. I would be delighted to be wrong (and with the experience leaving, having Newsome anchoring the left side would be huge) but the amount of damage his injury did is the sort of thing that can take over a year to recover from, just based on what we've heard.
We are going to miss Darboh and Butt, but I think our pass-catchers will be able to match or nearly match the capability of our pass-catchers this year. Especially if DPJ comes on board. A year of seasoning for Crawford and Mcdoom should transform them into valid every-down threats, Asiasi looks like a stud, and Perry's quickness and route-running are going to be huge assets.
Combine this with a QB position that should upgrade into a genuine weapon (either Speight plus a year of experience and training, or Peters performing so well that he is better than Speight plus a year of experience and training) and the passing game looks very promising if the OL can protect the QB.
And the RB position is loaded. The OL is the real scare spot, but this offense should achieve similar levels of production next season, especially against lesser opponents that can be blocked.
Whether it overcomes a gutted defense is an open question.
|1 week 2 days ago||This has been a known issue||
This has been a known issue all year. There's a huuuuuge gap in talent quality left over from the end of the Hoke era, the consequence of which is basically two classes featuring Jabrill Peppers (who is leaving) and little else of reliable consequence.
For that reason this was "the year." Questionable QB slot or not, Michigan had the talent and coaching to make a dent. This is partly why the loss Saturday is so devastating. There's no way the team doesn't take a step back next season, great coaching or otherwise.
|1 week 3 days ago||I'm a public critic of||
I'm a public critic of Liberty for many things. I have ripped them more than any other academic institution, bending my own personal rules for discussing politics and religiously divisive issues to do so. I am significantly far from "a fan."
I've dropped some negs, because a majority of the comments here are not comments that are critical of Liberty for hiring a tainted AD; they are considerably darker and more offensive than that.
It is a foolish hire. Asking "are women even people" and "do they even teach science courses" is deliberately insulting. This thread needs to go, because apparently it is hard for people to tell the difference between disagreeing with intentional insults and supporting a foolish staffing decision.
|1 week 6 days ago||Willis Speight.||
Willis Reed Speight?
|2 weeks 17 hours ago||Just win, baby.||
Just win, baby.
|2 weeks 1 day ago||I actually wonder if there's||
I actually wonder if there's a big of a dinger involved too.
But your point is basically the best option: he's playing a spot where the guys in front of him are absolute monsters. Would you sit Wormley on his behalf? Charlton? He's not quite ready for the interior and we have guys there, too.
He's behind upperclassmen who will be taken in the top half of the draft. Not a bad plan B.
|2 weeks 1 day ago||Just to reiterate on this||
Just to reiterate on this point: There were a number of Michigan TDs, including Anthony Carter and Mike Hart and Jim Harbaugh throwing to (I forget who, earlier in the 1985 game, not the long Kolesar bomb) and the epic Drew Henson naked bootleg that clinched what is still Michigan's last win in Columbus. Might be a couple that I didn't catch, too.
Yes, I rewatched the video to check. No, I'm not sorry. Yes, I am actually glad you made this (understandable, it's a quick-cut video) error to give me an excuse to watch it again. Upvote to you; it's all your fault.
|2 weeks 1 day ago||I'm glad you brought this up.||
I'm glad you brought this up. This video was great when it was released and is still among the best out there, with extra points for emphasizing the whole of the rivalry. I've already watched it a couple of times this week. A few. A handful. A lot. Whatever.
|2 weeks 1 day ago||I think this is the closest||
I think this is the closest I've seen to someone splitting things right down the middle. They tried to balance every Michigan shot with an Ohio State shot, and vice versa.
Also, it's easy to miss the significance of some of the shots. It rewards careful watching--a shot some might interpret as a pro-OSU shot may actually be Tim Biakabatuka carrying three Buckeye defenders in 1995.
|2 weeks 1 day ago||Agreed. The first quarter was||
Agreed. The first quarter was just plain bad quarter, and 7 of Colorado's points came on that fumble return as it was. I was comfortable with Michigan's defensive play even before the Sefo (please don't make me spell his last name) injury.
And Montez played well for Colorado in Sefo's absence, he wasn't a scrub out there taking snaps. He won games this year.
Michigan was missing two of its best defensive players and was also down an important depth backup, too.
Not to say that I think the D is perfect, but the Colorado game is not the one that worries me.
|2 weeks 1 day ago||Interested to see if OSU||
Interested to see if OSU thinks Elflein can handle Glasgow 1 on 1. He is, after all, their best OL. If he can, that changes the math up front quite a bit.
If he cannot...
|2 weeks 2 days ago||It's Milan High School all||
It's Milan High School all over again, or something.
|2 weeks 2 days ago||Good for them. Still think||
Good for them. Still think the football program is a bit of a white elephant, but that's not the fault of the guys on the field, and this is a legitimately impressive achievement.
|2 weeks 2 days ago||It's at a low ebb right now.||
It's at a low ebb right now. TCU and Baylor are kind of reverting to the mean (though TCU should rebound). A&M has had a very good, but not great, season that is hampered by losing their starting QB, a situation we can understand.
Texas is the team that is really underperforming. If they get Herman as the rumors suggest, they'll have a Harbaugh-like rebound and are likely to hit 10-2 next season.
Enjoy it while it lasts, because it won't stay this way.
|2 weeks 2 days ago||I am... astonished at the||
I am... astonished at the level of meltdown in that athletic department.
First, let's establish something we all know: This is bad, but it is on a different planet than an epidemic of sexual assaults and gang rapes that is substantively alleged to have happened.
With that out of the way, it seems clear that the athletic department has deep problems that have not been resolved simply with the firing of Art Briles. There is something very, very wrong in those offices, and Baylor as an athletic program seems destined for total collapse. Grobe is not going to produce extended success, and no coach worth their salt is going to want to take a job there right now, especially with a handful of high-profile jobs available and only one coach (Tom Herman) really qualified to step into one of them.
This story, if accurate, is astonishing.
|2 weeks 2 days ago||Third endorsement. Good stuff||
Third endorsement. Good stuff there.
|2 weeks 2 days ago||I was heartened that Michigan||
I was heartened that Michigan seemed to adjust after getting gashed by UCF a couple of times. I'm hopeful that they'll be able to make tackles.
|2 weeks 2 days ago||CONTENT VIDEOS FOOTBALL BEAT||
I may have just watched that first vid a couple of times
|2 weeks 2 days ago||He's probably right. But your||
He's probably right. But your suggestion is dead-on accurate.
|2 weeks 2 days ago||Actually, ND has quite an||
Actually, ND has quite an elevated view of itself (recall the significant academic restrictions, the propagation of the student-athlete myth, propaganda like Rudy, etc), it's one of the few places where people DO care about such things. It might actually matter to some of them.
|2 weeks 2 days ago||They won't be able to catch||
They won't be able to catch Michigan any time soon whether they vacate wins or not. Have you seen Brian Kelly's contract?
|2 weeks 3 days ago||Any evidence for this? Pretty||
Any evidence for this? Pretty rare situation where a team that plays in a brand new two-sport arena turns around and demands to leave.
|2 weeks 3 days ago||Maybe I'm out of the loop,||
Maybe I'm out of the loop, living now in Minnesota, and I've missed some key details, but:
This sounds like... a good move for everybody that isn't just a cynical attempt at money extraction? I'm sure Gores wouldn't do it if it weren't in his financial interest, but it doesn't sound like he's trying to bleed someone dry by doing this, either.
And while I suspect an expensive arena in Detroit is a financial sinkhole regardless, at least securing another 41 or so home games is good for those who do actually work in and around the arena.
|2 weeks 3 days ago||It's a makeable drive back to||
It's a makeable drive back to Ann Arbor after a game. I did it in 2004 to catch a Michigan-Notre Dame hockey game that night.
Michigan lost both games. It wasn't quite the fun swing I had anticipated.
|2 weeks 3 days ago||So was ours. But then, they||
So was ours. But then, they were playing a 3-win team the week before the biggest game of the year.
|2 weeks 3 days ago||You mean wrinkles like a flea||
You mean wrinkles like a flea flicker?
|2 weeks 3 days ago||Yes. He was an explosive||
Yes. He was an explosive athlete who could catch. He would have been a terror as a slot/slash guy, filling the role that guys like Percy Hardin and Darren Sproles have filled more recently.
His problem, if I recall correctly, is that he couldn't deal with physical jams at the LOS. But the game is changed, and today coaches know how to utilize a guy with his size/skillset much better.
|2 weeks 4 days ago||The one gaping hole in our||
The one gaping hole in our defense has been LB play on the edge and in coverage. And that hole happens to be exactly the area OSU is best suited to attack with Curtis Samuel, whom I've been terrified of since that long TD that UCF torched us with.
And the possible counters to that situation often involve vacating the middle to cover the edge, which, you know, is where JT Barrett's running ability comes in.
So I agree with you that the matchups are unfavorable. Speight's mid-season surge had given me hope that Michigan could score enough to make up for the occasional big play drive/long td, but if he's not playing the whole game at close to 100% the offense will almost certainly not be able to keep up.
BTW, there is zero chance that OSU forgets to use Samuel enough the way it has the rest of this year. They are, surely, salivating to get him the ball.
|2 weeks 4 days ago||Our "high powered offense"||
Our "high powered offense" struggled to score 13 points against a mediocre Iowa team.
So our stats are marginally better (does it really matter that our offense and defense put up better numbers on Rutgers than OSU? Does it make a difference that in the two common games, PSU and Wisconsin, we were at home while OSU was on the road?) and we didn't collapse against Penn State.
Who cares? There is a thin margin, and the humans who say "clearly Ohio State at #2" as you put it clearly know that this will be settled, in Columbus, on the field.
I think it's interesting to compare relative stats against common opponents. I think concluding that our position behind OSU is some sort of significant injustice is a big overreach. If they win, the voters and committees were correct. If we win, they were wrong and they will change their rankings to reflect it.
The committee is not going to keep a one-loss B1G champion Michigan team out of the playoff. It is highly unlikely that such a team would be anything less than #2.
We find out on Saturday.
|2 weeks 4 days ago||You're confusing the issue.||
You're confusing the issue. O'Korn was not as good at maneuvering in the pocket as Speight, at all. He didn't find the right moments to take off.
But that has nothing to do with his actual speed. When he did find a crease, he was able to cover serious ground that Wilton was not able to.
That's because you're talking about two different attributes. O'Korn would win a sprint race pretty handily; Wilton has a much better sense of how to manage the pocket and WHEN to take off running. It's like the difference between a running back who knows how and when to hit the hole and a running back who is faster but just charges into the back of his OL every play.
|2 weeks 4 days ago||Weather can affect play but||
Weather can affect play but O'Korn's problems weren't a result of the weather. Weather does not affect pocket awareness, which was a serious weakness. It doesn't affect reads. It can affect the hands and the precision of passes, which may have been an issue on some of the long passes that were near misses, but it doesn't make him totally miss receivers either.
It's not judging O'Korn to say that if he starts the team is severely handicapped. It is simply a true statement. Pretty much every participant on this board would be even worse, but that is not a reflection on us.
|2 weeks 4 days ago||Agree here, with on caveat:||
Agree here, with on caveat: if you can get Miles in the booth, it makes sense to do it. But the announcers weren't prepped (probably didn't know till close to game time) and Les sounded like the rest of us felt. Which is to say, I think he was trying to pay attention to the game.
|2 weeks 5 days ago||It was interesting, there||
It was interesting, there were a couple of times I thought he missed cuts and missed a large hole.
One time in particular, I did a quick reverse to check, and sure enough, there was a huge hole on the other side of the center that he flat out missed. I quickly flipped to the live picture to catch up...
And he made a great cut and ran for 15 or 20 yards on the next play.
What an incredible game for Smith. His crowning moment as a Michigan player (so far) and on senior day. The two TDs were absolutely monstrous.
|2 weeks 5 days ago||He's a Michigan guy, he's||
He's a Michigan guy, he's playing well, it's not awful. The timing is a bit tricky, this being a game night and now the week of The Game, but most of the time one extra thread about a former Michigan basketball player who is hitting his stride isn't going to clutter the sidebar excessively.
|2 weeks 5 days ago||O'Korn is fleeter of foot||
O'Korn is fleeter of foot than Speight, but he doesn't have "pocket presence." This is the difference between "mobility" and "pocket awareness," as debated at other times. Speight isn't a fast guy but he is brilliant at getting away from pressure and finding the right spot in the pocket to throw. O'Korn... is none of those things.
He doesn't have the patience and he doesn't have good natural instincts for dodging pressure (contrast his spins and turns with those of Devin Gardner, who when on his game could make the perfect moves to give himself space to throw).
I hope Speight can go next week. It sounds like a panic fan statement, and maybe it is, but I wonder if it's worth giving Peters a look in practice. I mean, yeah, it's absurd, you're talking about torching a redshirt for a chance to beat Ohio State. Would I give up a whole season of a franchise-type QB just to win one game?
This game? Yes.
|2 weeks 5 days ago||He made a key, big run which||
He made a key, big run which flipped the field and set up Smith's TD on the next play. He made that big run basically by scrambling too early like he has before, but this time finding space.
It was enough. It had a significant effect on the game, setting up a TD that put Michigan into the lead and stabilized the strategy (run the ball, defense, the occasional conservative pass, it's ok if no points are scored the rest of the game). In that sense, you could call it a "spark" since it was a big play. A well-thrown 30 yard bomb would have had exactly the same effect.
It doesn't mean that O'Korn somehow turned a corner in his passing ability, or that he was suddenly patient or well-mannered in the pocket. He isn't somehow going to use this to propel him to a scorching passing day against OSU--that just doesn't look possible right now.
|2 weeks 5 days ago||I think they talk about the||
I think they talk about the bad conditions in the Michigan Replay clip, so there's that. And it was the right time of year. Nothing visible on screen to me, though.
|2 weeks 5 days ago||Ok, check that. I looked at||
Ok, check that. I looked at the Michigan Replay ep on Youtube (link) and there was no snow visible in the footage, better matching my memory. (Something I didn't remember: 10 fumbles for Michigan, plus a couple of picks. Extraordinarily sloppy). Perhaps a different year against Illinois, such as 1993, which was a loss but also in Michigan Stadium?
|2 weeks 5 days ago||It's really hilarious that I||
It's really hilarious that I haven't thought about this, since I went to that game back when I only went to a game or so per season. My strongest memories of it are the dissatisfaction of playing for a tie at the end.
|2 weeks 5 days ago||I've thought about that. He||
I've thought about that. He could do it well. Perhaps a package of those looks, in case Barrett turns into a real problem.
TBH I'm overall very happy with the defense but I feel like Peppers gets schemed out of his sweet spot too often, with teams either running away from him or leaving him as the EMLOS where he has to eat a block and cannot use his explosiveness in space. It would be nice to see some change-up looks when that happens.
|2 weeks 5 days ago||I expect the same thing we||
I expect the same thing we got last season, an Ohio State that actually does everything its capable of with speed and talent everywhere and Curtis Samuel getting the ball in space where he has a chance to hurt us. I expect JT Barrett to make frustratingly good passes and dodge tacklers. I expect them to be great.
So Michigan will have to be greater.
|2 weeks 5 days ago||This is not Street Fighter,||
This is not Street Fighter, where 75% is a predictable drain on the life bar. This is a very painful shoulder. It's not his throwing shoulder, thankfully, but it's not like there's an incremental level of pain increase that incrementally harms performance.
If his shoulder is in enough pain, he cannot properly wind up or follow through. He cannot properly rotate his body. It affects his whole motion. He may also be unable to take a hit (and he will get hit, hard). He may be unable to hand off with his left hand. Even gripping the ball when it is snapped could be a problem.
If he can't go, he can't go. If he can, it's because he can function. You can't just put an imaginary percentage on it and figure that he can live with it. It doesn't work that way.
|2 weeks 5 days ago||TBH that was the right call||
TBH that was the right call for MSU. I don't think they could score consistently enough in OT to win.
|2 weeks 5 days ago||Serious question: when was||
Serious question: when was the last time Michigan played at home with snow falling? Was there snow in that awful Purdue game in the 90s?
I don't ever remember seeing a Michigan home game with snow covering the ground, either. It was magnificent.
|2 weeks 5 days ago||"If." I expect the team to||
I expect the team to take a step back next year; we simply lose too much. But there is talent coming in, and that talent will win a lot of games. I look at 10 wins as closer to a ceiling, though, and I would be stunned if we weren't home dogs with no real playoff shot when OSU comes to town.
No matter. If we can somehow take care of business next week, next season is gravy.
|2 weeks 5 days ago||I'm sour on our chances next||
I'm sour on our chances next week, but not hopeless.
In the meantime, this feels great. The snow, the pounding TD runs, the home crowd, 10 wins... this is cathartic. 10 wins, twice in a row, with more games to play.
|2 weeks 5 days ago||One game for all the marbles.||
One game for all the marbles. The way it should be.
Play like you've never played before in your life. Play with skill. Play with precision. Play with pride. Play with fury.
Go Blue. Beat Ohio.
|2 weeks 5 days ago||Get well soon, Wilton.||
Get well soon, Wilton.
|2 weeks 5 days ago||Thread title never more||
Thread title never more appropriate.
|2 weeks 5 days ago||That whole season was a blast||
That whole season was a blast right up until the end. Stauskas was cutting the hearts out of opponents on a nightly basis.
|2 weeks 6 days ago||I had no idea what to expect||
I had no idea what to expect this year, though I was probably rather pessimistic. Hard to pay attention when football is this good.
But two strong wins against real competition (who knows how good they are, but they were both good last year and they aren't just scrubs now) is revelatory. Michigan has been dominant.
And, given how the team started last season, that is tremendously encouraging. They've got my attention.
|3 weeks 9 hours ago||It's truly open because||
It's truly open because Speight has exposed serious flaws here. If he had thrown for 290 and 2 tds Saturday, his ascendancy would be continuing (Harbaugh wasn't totally joking when he spoke of the Heisman) and, we would presume, he would have some hardware going into next year. That's not a guy that's easy to bench.
Now we have a guy who has had some good games and some bad games. The door for a guy like Peters is much more open.
|3 weeks 9 hours ago||I don't exactly agree with||
I don't exactly agree with you. Chesson does not have great hands and is not good at making ball-in-air adjustments at all. Darboh can make circus catches away from a defender, but he isn't really that good at winning a ball in the air, either.
They are good players, but these are issues that are consistently not a part of their game. Contrast with recent college players LaQuon Treadwell and Kelvin Benjamin, or going back a bit Michigan star Braylon Edwards. Think of highlights of theirs that you can remember, their QBs throwing a dart 10 yards downfield at the sideline, Treadwell or Benjamin leaping up in the air and making an easy catch over a helpless defender. Edwards using his body and his momentum to get to the ball in a better spot than the CB trying to cover him.
That is not really a part of Darboh's game, despite his size, and it is not at all a part of Chesson's game. Neither uses their body position or momentum well at all to make catches, and Chesson's positioning is actively bad, often falling away from the pass when he should be rising toward it.
It's not that they're nobodies, just that it's not a strength of theirs, and if either of these guys had that sort of a strength they make a catch or two that probably wins Michigan the game.
|3 weeks 9 hours ago||It's not just the crowd. The||
It's not just the crowd. The crowd can be part of it, but the noise itself isn't necessarily the issue unless the stadium in question is really deafening.
It's the entire experience.
I was at the Minnesota game last year. In Minneapolis, at night. Now, Minnesota fans are not known as a rowdy bunch, and while the place was enthusiastic I never thought I was in a deafening place to play.
But something about playing at night, on the road, in an unfamiliar environment, can just be *uncomfortable*. It's darker and the light plays funny and the sideline is arranged in an unusual fashion.
Most people here are competent typists, so maybe an illustration like this will work: Imagine going from your usual computer in your home or office that you use to access Mgoblog. Now, imagine typing and/or using MGoblog or some other familiar computer app, but in an unfamiliar person's basement, on a keyboard that is a different size and has an oddly shaped backspace key, with a screen that is a size or two smaller than you're accustomed to.
Can you still type and access Mgoblog? Yes. Does it feel a bit different? Yes. Might you make some typing mistakes that are unusual and take a bit longer to clear out? Sure.
You're not as sharp.
Neither was Michigan's offense.
|3 weeks 9 hours ago||You're basically right. Yeah,||
You're basically right. Yeah, people were selling short the challenge of playing on the road, or suggesting that it only affected referees and some audible calls. Discussion of issues Michigan has had on the road in the last ten years was dismissed as irrelevant to the current team.
Not irrelevant. Playing on the road doesn't seem to have a lot going against it, objectively. There's more noise, yes, but they practice with noise, and the field has the same dimensions, and with fieldturf the surface is basically a non-factor.
But (and this is particularly true with our schedule this year) being on the road is unfamiliar. It is different than normal. There is more to think about. Your team is wearing white jerseys and the clocks are in different places and the colors in the stands are different and the noise happens at different times and it is unfamiliar.
And Michigan wasn't ready for that, mentally, IMO. The evidence is in the UFR--a host of mental errors. Speight made a lot of mental errors. The line made mental errors. RBs missed holes they usually hit, mental errors. The offense just plain wasn't sharp.
It was very disappointing. Now, there is still room for growth, but this doesn't exactly bode well for the biggest game of the season. They need to grow up a bit in the next week and a half.
|3 weeks 1 day ago||Can't. Stop. Watching.||
|3 weeks 1 day ago||Not even close. For one, with||
Not even close. For one, with a successful team, we're all a lot happier. For two, the immediate feedback makes it much easier to adapt to posters who are less pleasant. Reprehensible remarks are negged as such and people don't feel like they have to respond verbally to make sure that the poster knows they were saying something objectionable.
The no-points year was actively caustic and unpleasant. It was a constant, angry shouting match. People were leaving or getting tossed, and many others were about ready to give up. I don't think it's anywhere close to that bad now.
|3 weeks 1 day ago||That was also the year that||
That was also the year that things really started to go south for Hoke, and the board was basically in a constant state of meltdown for months. It was awful.
|3 weeks 1 day ago||Some of their losses are bad,||
Some of their losses are bad, but losses to teams we play against have zero effect on our SOS by percentage and at this point help us by boosting other teams. When they rolled over for Wisconsin, that helped Wisconsin become a quality top ten team that's a big part of our resume. Same principle applies when they are kobayashi maru'd by PSU.
Seriously, we just lost and we didn't drop a single spot in the playoff race. If we beat OSU and win the B1G title game (I am not super confident about either but the opportunity is there) nothing else matters at all.
|3 weeks 1 day ago||Why not? They're a better||
Why not? They're a better team.
|3 weeks 2 days ago||Yep.||
|3 weeks 2 days ago||I don't think I'm bothered by||
I don't think I'm bothered by having a loss in this context so much as: 1. The way we lost, with the offense totally hopeless, and 2. Our starting QB probably won't be ready for Columbus.
These two factors suggest that while we CAN still make the playoff, the probabilities of playing well enough to do so are much lower than I thought last week. If our defense can be shut down by Iowa, it can be shut down by a lot of teams. Including OSU. And now we aren't practicing with our starting QB.
|3 weeks 2 days ago||In the Shoe, "B" level is||
In the Shoe, "B" level is covered by the upper deck and (unless you're in the front row or two) partially obstructed.* In my three trips to OSU I never even looked at those seats. You don't see much of the rest of the stadium, your view of the game itself is claustrophobic, being in the shade is a negative in November, etc. If you've never seen the stadium in person before you may not realize how big the "B" sections are, since they're shaded and don't show well on television; it goes quite deep.
*Except in the endzone grandstand. I couldn't tell you the exact section numbers but they are in the high 30s. These seats are just fine.
|3 weeks 3 days ago||Well, it's not||
Well, it's not inaccurate--Ace is a credentialled reporter. For their purposes it differentiates Mgoblog from a random anonymous message board.
|3 weeks 3 days ago||META: this is a reasonably||
META: this is a reasonably significant issue for the top guys on the blog, and Brian will doubtlessly address this at some point this week. He reported this based on a source today, and it has been indirectly contradicted by Harbaugh himself, with a hint of contradiction from Speight.
It's been radio silence on twitter since this has come out; I suspect Brian and possibly others are pursuing sources to either confirm their own report or retract it.
|3 weeks 3 days ago||It's not going to be the||
It's not going to be the difference between any position, certainly not within the playoff orbit. Again, if Michigan goes to the playoff it is because it beat #2 Ohio State on the road and, probably, beat a terrific Wisconsin team a second time. Whomever is the quarterback for those games will be judged worthy of Michigan's performance.
The idea that the committee would examine the resumes of, say, Michigan and Lousiville, and drop a Michigan team with a far better resume including at least five wins vastly superior to any Louisville accomplishment because two of those wins came with a guy who wasn't starting at the beginning of the year is absurd.
Seriously, teams are not going to be dropped for having a player get hurt before the last game of the season with big games left on the schedule. OSU lost its starting QB in the Michigan game, and still had to leap both Baylor and TCU with its backup QB to get in the playoff. The only reason an injury is going to be a serious consideration is if a team is on the borderline of a berth with a similar, blemished record to a team ahead of it and that blemish on the record was a close loss with a key player injured. Say, if Speight had been out for the entire Iowa game and then came back, they might think of the loss in a less punishing light. But that's the only circumstance and that hasn't been the case this year.
|3 weeks 3 days ago||The playoff committee gets||
The playoff committee gets blamed for more ridiculous ideas than any organization not involved in politics. Speight's health has zero relevance in committee deliberations. If Michigan beats OSU and wins the B1G championship game, they go to the playoff no matter who is QB. Lose and they're not going regardless of who is hurt.
|3 weeks 3 days ago||Post update: I'll believe it||
Post update: I'll believe it when I see it. But if Speight can go in a Columbus, that's a huge plus. A non-throwing shoulder injury shouldn't affect his play if he can go.
|3 weeks 3 days ago||Well, it might be. Throws a||
Well, it might be. Throws a bad pick, can't move the offense on third down, etc. But not because he is as helpless as Bellomy. With 2 weeks as the starter in practice, he will be fresh and will be familiar with the playbook and the timing. You are right about your reaction, though. Splitting snaps with Shane Morris would be a panic situation, one that won't occur until the game is already out of hand.
|3 weeks 3 days ago||Nobody anywhere has asserted||
Nobody anywhere has asserted that O'Korn is as good at running as Colin Kaepernick. Nor has he been assessed as a true read option QB. The 49ers example was provided to demonstrate Harbaugh's familiarity with those concepts and willingness to use them.
|3 weeks 3 days ago||That sounds like an||
That sounds like an exageration. Not one? This proceeds from an erroneous assumption, anyway. The blocking schemes need not be any different. Even teams like OSU use standard power blocking in some of their runs. You adapt the looks we already have.