"He's a hard worker, and he watched me and Tim (Hardaway Jr.) and Nik (Stauksas) put work in to become (first-round picks), and I'm just happy he's getting better," Burke said. "It's great for the program, too. It shows what type of program the University of Michigan is and the direction it continues to go in."
|11 hours 47 min ago||One note about Ace's bad||
One note about Ace's bad record attending road games: don't be so hard on yourself, man. Michigan just plain stinks on the road, anyone who goes to any plurality of road games is going to attend some real disasters.
|11 hours 50 min ago||I actually think the Glass||
I actually think the Glass Bowl is a nice small venue to watch a game in. I went to a Toledo-Marshall MAC championship game there once and it was actually great, both in game and (with at least 5000 Marshall fans traveling there) atmosphere.
|11 hours 53 min ago||Tiger Stadium, LSU||
My record for attending Michigan football road games is actually kind of poor by my standards, but I have an excuse: In my football attendance heyday, Michigan home games were of course must-attends, but I needed a few Saturdays each fall just to sit at home and watch every football game played on my four televisions (I got the ESPN package back when you needed it, and no I am not kidding at all even about the number of televisions).
The "other road trips" were trips to other terrific football venues. I'll get to that.
I attended the '99 and '01 MSU games and the '00, '02, and '04 OSU games. And, now that I live up here, 2012 Minnesota with my oldest daughter. Not much to say that hasn't been said, except that the atmosphere at Minnesota felt more like a mid-summer baseball game given how beaten down by life the fans were. A trip to OSU in Michigan gear would make Quentin Tarantino Blush; Minnesota fans were offering to take my picture. The only upside I have is that back then, Michigan was the better program during most of those trips even if we didn't win on that day.
I also made early 00s trips to Tennessee, LSU, Texas A&M, and Nebraska. In my early 20s, I had money and time and I used it to watch lots of sports live, obviously. I should probably start by saying that Nebraska was the least impressive of these, though still a nice place.
Tennessee and Texas A&M are fantastic venues. A&M of course has the yells and the organized fanbase (and yes, I did go to yell practice). Neyland Stadium is actually a wonderful facility with steep seating bowls and jaw-dropping noise acoustics.
But the best non-Michigan place I ever went to was Death Valley in Baton Rouge. The Stadium itself is wonderful--built in sections over time, with each section having its own character and quirks. Like most SEC venues, it has a steep grandstand angle, which afford fantastic sightlines.
The traditions there aren't anything unique--the band plays the same, repetitive music on first, second, and third down, and knows about two other songs. They have a live Tiger they parade around in a cage. The only words of the fight song anyone actually sings are the spelled out "Tigers" at the end.
But the place is absolutely zany. A night game there (my trip was for a 2001 game against Eli Manning's Ole Miss) is three hours of unrestrained madness. When LSU scored touchdowns, the place went bananas. Fans threw whatever was in their hands in the air--the student section became a cloud of coke, popcorn, newspapers, small change. On defense you feel weird if you are not yelling, because every person in the Stadium is full-throated. The noise was incredible. The feeling electric. It was marvelous.
I'm glad I got to go.
|1 day 12 hours ago||Since the NCAA believes||
Since the NCAA believes (whether or not it is actually true) that they have a substantial academic mission, I have a hard time seeing them make significant concessions for the purpose of improving the pro development aspect of a sport.
Now this does sound like a good move to make if they can get it to happen, but if it doesn't I'm not sure it's a huge disaster. Pro prospects will just take professional development options that exist. NCAA soccer does not, to my knowledge, have the dedicated niche fanbase of hockey or lacrosse that would be wounded by this. The sport would still be played and it would still get swallowed up in the shadow of football season. Unfortunate but not disastrous.
I do appreciate that there is an ambitious effort being made to fill a void. US Soccer does not have the organically grown pro development path that exists in hockey or baseball (college baseball players, for example, join summer league teams that play every day--there is one here in Duluth, they have a 70+ game schedule! and Drew Smyly spent a summer here). There isn't a century-long college-to-pro-league feeder arrangement like in football and basketball. US Soccer is instead trying to play catch-up with soccer-first countries and there is a lot of space left unfilled. This move would make college soccer more viable both as a development process and (with spring games filling a slower part of the college schedule) as a spectator sport.
So good for them, good luck, but it's not the end of the world if it crashes out.
|2 days 4 min ago||As always, the fantastic "How||
As always, the fantastic "How the Race Was Won" recaps are the best video highlights packages in the business at cyclocosm.com.
Barring a catastrophe, this will go down as the third tour running that lacks much GC drama. Nibali shouldn't be held responsible for this any more than Wiggins or Froome in previous editions; he has been dominant and all serious rivals have left. We shouldn't complain too much--following the Armstrong era we have been treated to a stretch of uncommonly competitive Tours that had largely been in doubt up to the final week. That is an exception rather than a norm in TdF history.
|3 days 8 hours ago||Phinney is not and never will||
Phinney is not and never will be much of a climber. He can TT and he can drive in the flats; people are waiting to see if he can turn into a cobbles threat after some early promise.
I'm not sure if Talansky or TVG will ever win the Tour. That's not to knock them, just to recognize that it's really hard to do. Not every guy with the potential to win ever does it; even guys like Andy Schleck flame out (his only "win" came as a result of a Contador DQ; he has never won a grand tour on the road). Now, it is possible that they may win a Grand Tour somewhere else, and I could be wrong and they could take a Tour. But as of now I would take odds against it.
But things can be hard to predict. In 2011 Alberto Contador produced one of the most dominant performances I have ever seen in crushing the field at the Giro, and looked set to become the best GT rider ever. Then he ran out of gas, and Cadel Evans and Andy Schleck put on one of the great duels of all time, and... None of them have ever come close to winning the Tour since (Contador did snatch a Vuelta later). So the next five years may be the Froome/Nibali/Quintana show, or it may be something completely different.
|4 days 1 hour ago||Not sure if this is directed||
Not sure if this is directed at me or some now-unseeable comment.
But I should point out that the 5.84 number came from math, based on a calculation of weight, time, slope, and distance. No powermeter data was used.
|4 days 1 hour ago||You left the best part for||
You left the best part for the end: Quintana, in my mind, is currently next year's favorite. Of course, the route and his condition and other factors may change this, but he pushed Froome hard last year and annihilated the field at the Giro this year.
I suspect Contador has won his last Tour. He's not young anymore and while still a crafty rider and quality climber he can't dominate the way he used to. There are a number of possible reasons for this, of course, but the upshot is that he is a mid-level time trialist instead of the guy that used to beat Cancellara. I would expect Froome to be back to his old form, and Wiggins will be sucking wheels for someone like the Argyle boys as well.
Next year to me looks like Nibali defending as an underdog with Froome and Quintana shooting it out; time trial miles will be a huge factor. A mountain TT (haven't been many lately) would be magnificent.
|4 days 5 hours ago||Yeah, this baby is over.||
Yeah, this baby is over. Barring a crash-out or another Michael Rasmussen moment Nibali looks fantastic, and good for him.
For those who are curious, the W/KG numbers that are closely watched to see if they are "human" or "superhuman" have not been mind blowing for Nibali. In fact, they're a smidgen less impressive than Froome and Wiggins the last two years. Yesterday's HC summit finish that Nibs won was ridden at a decidedly mortal 5.84 w/kg, well within the range that is believed to be achievable clean.
The question remains about whether he could beat Contador/Froome/Wiggins at full strength; I think Wiggins would've been the only one close to him on the cobbles, and I think Nibali would've taken time from him in the mountains. And I think he could defend a 2-minute lead over Contador and Froome. It'd be close, but he's a worthy winner.
|5 days 13 hours ago||Well, let's be fair, we blame||
Well, let's be fair, we blame Michigan's failures last year on in-house problems. That's nature. And Jackson did throw a pick in the Michigan end zone and another, execrable pick right to Weathers that was returned for a TD. Sure we forced it, but he didn't exactly cover himself in glory.
|6 days 17 min ago||Some observations: 1.||
1. Michigan's offense in '96 and '97 was quite mediocre. '95 was no picnic either, but Tim Biakabatuka was a playmaker that couldn't be regularly replaced in subsequent seasons. Griese became an effective quarterback, but he was never a world-beater and his solid '97 performance was a surprise after two years of a mediocre Driesbach-Griese lazy Susan.
2. Michigan's Oline was (relatively) young in '97 and expected to be a weak point going into the season.
3. The offense's main job in '97 was to not mess up things for the defense. Punting was ok, big mistakes were not. Note the way Griese throws the ball away in tight spots.
4. This is classic Lloyd-ball, what became Tressel-ball in the following decade. Play dominant defense, run the ball, avoid mistakes, win games. Lloyd wasn't against changing things up when the times moved forward, but he still liked this basic philosophy and given how well it worked in '97 (and, for example, in Baltimore in 2000 and Ohio State in 2002) it's hard to blame him for keeping a finger on that button.
5. Michigan never again produced teams capable of winning with this philosophy. It's not that they weren't talented enough (they were loaded for another 10 years, and the offense was almost always better than in '97). Instead, the defense just never seemed to put it all together, and in some years other areas like special teams betrayed them. I suspect coaching was an issue here; it is worth noting that the players on this dominant '97 team had received significant coaching from Greg Mattison, who left only the year before.
|6 days 1 hour ago||Saw the highlight of the||
Saw the highlight of the Woodson to return during his "Icons" episode. Still let out a shout. I've seen/heard it at least 100 times. Still chills.
Hey, Michigan just scored its first TD against OSU. The crowd is going bananas. I wonder what happens next? I think I'll watch and find out.
|6 days 2 hours ago||This seems like a stinging,||
This seems like a stinging, stinging rebuke.
Question: if Brandon continues to make unpopular moves, is there any room for political pressure on the regents from constituents? Sure, apparently they are kind of a rump rubber stamp committee, but they are on ballots. Could pressure on them translate to DB?
|6 days 13 hours ago||FWIW I live in a city with a||
FWIW I live in a city with a pretty good D-1 women's program (UMD) that gets full facility, financial, and promotional support. I took my girls to a couple of games last year. However, for one visit the draw was a chance to see the Stanley Cup (a Duluth resident is part of the Blackhawks organization and brought it into town for a day--people got free admission to the game to see it) where most people who came didn't bother to watch the game, and then a family trip on a discount ticket deal.
The big draw for me was the chance to literally pick our own seats, right on the glass. The regular attendance base is very small and dwarfed by the 6,500 arena. I appreciate that they put on a good show (mascot, lights, concessions, etc) but it was clearly nothing like a men's game. It works for us because it's cheap, it's an easy place to get to, and my girls are young enough not to care. There's no way it breaks even on its own.
And, frankly, no way that Michigan can even do that well. Yost doesn't have the easy accessibility that Amsoil does, and while Duluth is a great city, there's not exactly a lot of competing sports and entertainment options nearby during the winter.
|1 week 37 min ago||I'd be all for it. A move to||
I'd be all for it. A move to varsity would probably prompt the creation of a B1G hockey conference, assuming MSU added as well (actually it would be a "Big One and Little Five" with everyone trying to finish second behind world-conquering Minnesota). Still, I would hope that Michigan would play at least a year in the WCHA--it would give me a chance to see something I long for, a Michigan team playing in Duluth.
I've been to LSSU, I already know how to do the four-person fan section. Let's do this.
|1 week 2 days ago||Magnificent. Though you||
Though you really can't blame Tom Osborne for this. He preferred running up the score on Peyton Manning.
|1 week 5 days ago||I'll leave this||
I'll leave this here:
|1 week 5 days ago||It's up there. In terms of||
It's up there. In terms of recreational money, no doubt about it.
|1 week 5 days ago||Naturally also one of the||
Naturally also one of the defining games of Yost. Just as loud. Hard to say it was louder, though--people who were at both can't say which was louder.
Also, you're conflating a few facts: Michigan State did lose as a heavy favorite to OSU, but Ryan Miller had not yet become their starter. That was in 2002. So was the locker room issue. And for reasons I've never investigated, Michigan kept the home side of the ice against North Dakota, while using the visiting side against Denver.
The Denver weekend was a better weekend, though, because the Molly Game happened the day before.
|1 week 5 days ago||There are lots of teams||
There are lots of teams stacked with commodities. Cleveland is one, but they've also squandered a fair amount of opportunity as well. Houston is loaded, has max money to throw at Bosh, and would take LBJ at the drop of a hat. Why not them?
No doubt the ability to win played a role. But if that and publicity were the only factor he would go somewhere else.
|1 week 5 days ago||Why not? It wasn't that long||
Why not? It wasn't that long ago that he reduced Nibali (and everyone else) to a gasping back marker in the Giro. And he's also shown a flair for surprise comebacks.
|1 week 5 days ago||That game was so awesome. And||
That game was so awesome. And I hadn't even been born yet. But when did you hear the Ufer call?
|1 week 5 days ago||That's #2 for me. That or||
That's #2 for me. That or 2000 at Ohio State (Michigan still hasn't won there since. Birthday money, again). We're fortunate to have so many good options to pick from.
|1 week 5 days ago||Yes, because PR and||
Yes, because PR and endorsements are all that people we don't like care about.
You know what would be even better for PR and endorsements? New York or Los Angeles.
Maybe, just maybe Lebron actually cares about he place he came from. Like those of us who are Michigan ex-pats still care about our home state. Maybe there is a reason a man who is rich enough to live anywhere in the world still spends his summers in the Akron area.
Maybe he's not such a bad guy.
|1 week 5 days ago||Days after I turned 18, I||
Days after I turned 18, I took the $120 I had received for my birthday and attempted to flip it into my first ever Michigan-Ohio State game in person.
I had attended Michigan games for many years, usually (like Seth) with my Dad. That year was the first I had some money to get to most of the games, but of course most could be had by face value or less. Now I was attempting something I had never even before considered.
I found a couple selling a student ticket for $100 to make rent for the month. I exchanged cash for the ticket, thankful to have enough left over for a bag of Wiard's donuts and a jug of cider.
And I entered the student section for the first time in my life. I stood somewhere between rows 20 and 30.
It was cold. It was gray. It was glorious.
It was 1997.
|2 weeks 12 hours ago||If Lebron goes to Cleveland,||
If Lebron goes to Cleveland, it wouldn't surprise me to see Wiggins playing the three... In Minnesota. Love to Cleveland could become a thing in this scenario.
|3 weeks 3 days ago||I like his attempt to discuss||
I like his attempt to discuss something in a sloooooow diary period a lot better than your lack of attempt to.
|5 weeks 6 days ago||Sailing is a fabulous||
Sailing is a fabulous recreational sport and I have been surprised by how much I have taken to it in the last couple of years. There's an affordable (flat fee, get a year's membership with use of most of the boats) club here in Duluth that is chaired by a Michigan grad. It is a great way to spend an afternoon.
Good to hear that Michigan will be represented in the AC, even if it doesn't actually happen for a few years. Few noticed, but last year's AC final was an astonishing competition and saw the greatest comeback (by number of matches) in the history of sports when Oracle USA ambushed New Zealand after NZ built a seemingly insurmountable lead. I believe they had to win seven in a row to win.
And the sailing itself, on foiling wing-sailed catamarans, is astonishing to watch.
|7 weeks 1 hour ago||I think that's a great twist,||
I think that's a great twist, though in this and other venues maybe a mediocre option would be better than an awful one. You know, the 2001 offense instead of 2008--a unit that's groan-worthy without being so bad that to take it is to doom any combination to awfulness. If the option is awful, you can't really take it. If it's mediocre, you may find it worth the risk.
|7 weeks 1 hour ago||I see, so since I'm larger||
I see, so since I'm larger than most people (6'5), I shouldn't have to control my emotions since they should know better than to be jerks?
Physical strength is not a license to do what you want; it is a tool that you have a responsibility to control.
And "He was saying (insert mean topic of conversation here)" is a pitiful excuse to get in a fight, something I teach kids from rough and not-so-rough backgrounds on a regular basis. Unlike NFL-bound Lewan, they don't have the privilege of getting some do-overs if they let their anger get carried away; they get their lives seriously set back instead.
|7 weeks 2 hours ago||They must've played the||
They must've played the Swedish anthem before the game.
|7 weeks 2 hours ago||Spoke before I read all of||
Spoke before I read all of the details. Still dumb--a little pushing and shoving is not a punch. And he doesn't need to "defend" his brother who instigated the thing. But my analysis mis-apprehends the facts.
|7 weeks 2 hours ago||I'm sorry, but if punching a||
I'm sorry, but if punching a guy in the face is wrong (and it is), then it doesn't matter how much of a jerk he was. A punch is a fundamentally different level of confrontation, and nothing a drunk guy says changes that.
Lewan was free to ignore him, or to tell him he was stupid, or to take a video and post it on twitter to humiliate the guy. But he was not free to punch him, and whatever level of jerk the OSU fan was it doesn't mean the blow was "deserved." Any more than you "deserve" to have a valuable stolen because you forgot to lock it up one night, or a woman "deserves" to be assaulted because do what she wears.
Don't excuse wrong behavior just because there's some sort of offense on the other end.
|7 weeks 1 day ago||Are they still kicking out||
Are they still kicking out competent Gran Turismo titles for the PS? Time was, Forza was the pretender in that matchup, but I don't know what things are like now.
|7 weeks 1 day ago||I'm a lifelong Nintendo||
I'm a lifelong Nintendo loyalist. I still own my Nintendo, Super Nintendo, N64, GameCube, and Wii. I still enjoy the rare opportunity to play them.
But Nintendo still has issues in the way it runs its business that are catching up to it, and (crucially) they don't have the traction to attract serious 3rd-party development right now. Honestly, while the Wii was great for a lot of stuff, even then its 3rd-party games were pretty tame compared to the competition.
I have no doubt that it is a capable system, but it takes more than hardware to make it worthwhile. The Wii was an unexpected success because they broke ground on a previously un-tapped space of gaming that crossed over into non-gamer households. They have provided nothing so revolutionary here.
I'm glad you enjoy yours, and I'm sure it has some strong features; so did the Sega Dreamcast. And, like Sega, but unlike Sony and Microsoft, Nintendo does not have the diversity of product to recover from a bad system. I fear their days may be numbered.
|7 weeks 1 day ago||The 1987 team was a||
The 1987 team was a transition squad after the Harbaugh years. The feature offensive player was Jamie Morris, who ran for 1700 yards. They passed less than 200 times (averaging 16 passes a game).
In 1988 both Taylor and Brown improved considerably on the previous season's passing totals (Taylor completed 62% of his passes, Brown 57%). Taylor started 9 games, while Brown started only 3.
Ultimately, though, it was just a better team--the 9-2-1 record looks dodgy, but the first two games of the season were heartbreaking as-close-as-possible losses to Notre Dame and Miami, who finished the season #1 and #2. The team still won the B1G title and beat an outstanding USC team (also very highly ranked) in the Rose Bowl. Unquestionably one of the top five Michigan teams of my lifetime.
FWIW I got the year wrong on Elvis--he was a factor in the 1989 team, not 1988.
|7 weeks 1 day ago||I have a 360 with MLB 2K to||
I have a 360 with MLB 2K to play. It's nice. I hear the Show is better, but I wouldn't know--I'm happy with what I have.
But it's not made anymore.
So if you find value in playing a good Baseball simulation, that is a big point in favor of the PS4.
And, frankly, checking the game library and any differentiating features is the way to go. Just look at what games you want to play on what. With that, you can't go wrong, as long as one of them doesn't tank so badly that developers stop making games for it (looking at you, Wii U, almost certainly the first Nintendo console that I will not own).
FWIW Apple just announced some beefed up gaming development potential. Of course, they are current the dominant portable gaming device player right now, but I have a sneaking suspicion that they might go further. Like, a $100 Apple TV device that plays games with either an affordable controller peripheral or a digital touchscreen controller on your favorite i-Device.
I firmly believe that Nintendo completely missed the boat when they did not go that direction. In-home digital streaming consoles are a booming business, and Nintendo could have developed a genuine differentiating winner, but they went for a third-rate console instead.
|7 weeks 2 days ago||Brown had a mixed career at||
Brown had a mixed career at Michigan; Michael Taylor was the starter at the beginning of '88 and was very good, but when he got hurt Brown stepped in and got the job done. I recall hearing a fan or two grumble for Elvis to get more time, though. Of course, that came later.
|7 weeks 2 days ago||The B1G is right on board||
The B1G is right on board with them here, and in this instance I think there is good cause.
Remember, a "cost-of-attendance" stipend attached to the grant-in-aids was floated a couple of years ago. The big boys were in favor. It was the small schools that killed it; I suspect that had it passed a number of the current controversies would be muted.
It may be due to public pressure, but the big schools definitely want to offer more to their athletes. They're being blocked by the Idahos of the world. This is basically an effort to streamline the movement that is already happening.
|7 weeks 2 days ago||I used the term "Secretary of||
I used the term "Secretary of State" in deference to the substantial quantity of MGoblog readers who are Michigan residents. An even larger portion were Michigan residents at one time (my first 25 years in my case) and are also familiar with the vocabulary.
But in truth the majority of the nation deals not with a "Secretary of State" office but with a vile cesspool of bureacracy known as the "DMV." And in my case there is no bureaucratic experience that I have found more aggravating than the DMV in Lancaster, California. It was a typically sized building with very atypical volumes; I never waited for less than an hour to be called, and it was always completely packed with people. Didn't matter what you needed, either--wait an hour. Sometimes, get instructions, then wait an hour again.
It is possible that I may not have completely cleansed myself of my negative feelings relating to the California DMV.
|7 weeks 5 days ago||Low ticket sales would help||
Low ticket sales would help explain the extra promotions for tickets to others. There are going to be a few thousand extra seats available in the northwest corner.
Dahblue: Brandon didn't take the marshmallows away--those were gone in the 90s. Personal decisions to imbibe intoxicating beverages have not been influenced by DB, the Victors has still played, and students are still admitted to the Stadium if they are stumbling.
Having a "good time" seems closely related to winning and excitement; that has definitely been lacking, but that it one area where DB has yet to prove a part of the problem.
|7 weeks 5 days ago||I'm a guy who has tried to||
I'm a guy who has tried to toe the moderate line on DB. Voice of reason, he's good at executing stuff, the department needs to secure income to continue to be successful, look at the BB program, blah blah blah. All true, yes. I have, at times, reacted to what I perceive to be unfair or excessive anger toward the Director and the Department.
So let me say that the referenced email to longstanding ticket holders (50 years puts them solidly back into the mediocre 60s before Bo, a time somewhat analogous to this one but with fewer fans), if it is accurately represented, is an incredible slap in the face to all fans, and those in particular.
This program was built on people who got in "early." It is built on families passing down the tradition and the memories; that's how I became a fan, after all. People who have held tickets for decades, who have donated (there's still an endowment? That's impressive) and lived through downs and ups and stuck with it, are the building blocks that everything that is good about Michigan sports today. The Stadium, the sellouts, the colors, the success, all of it.
It's possible we're not getting the "whole story." Or that the tone of the email is misrepresented. It may not be as bad as it sounds.
But it sounds really, really bad.
Yeah, this kind of reaction is nothing new to a lot of people here, but keep in mind that I am saying this as a guy who defends a number of the moves DB makes. There's no defending this.
|8 weeks 5 days ago||I'm talking about hammering||
I'm talking about hammering us in recruiting. We're already starting to lose guys.
The net effect of such a hammering is that the trends you've just listed... would continue unabated.
And that is unacceptable.
|8 weeks 5 days ago||Hoke needs to win this year||
Hoke needs to win this year or its over. No quantity of statements of confidence from the AD's office, or platitudes that glow over "improvement" will help stop the bleeding if he does not win significantly this year.
Do I sound negative? Well, yeah. One of the major reasons many of us got on board the Hoke bandwagon was his good recruiting; now we are going on year two of disappointments, potentially. A turnaround will be needed soon, or our rivals will start hammering us. Another year of discontent will drive the top recruits away as surely as the digital billboard on Stadium Blvd scrolling the message "We Support Donald Sterling."
|8 weeks 5 days ago||It's clear to me (and I spent||
It's clear to me (and I spent some time looking closely at this) that Henson could have been the difference in all three of the regular season losses. The margins of loss were very, very small in each, and the superior passing game and offense Henson would have provided could have, should have put Michigan over the top.
Keep in mind, of course, that some of Michigan's wins that year were close, too; Wisconsin in particular sticks out as a flukey win, with Michigan needing a muffed punt by the Badgers late in the game to pull it out.*
But here's the thing: If there's one thing we could count on in the Carr era, and one thing that we keep coming back to in this thread, it is that Michigan would always take the field at least once a season and lose a horrible game that they should've won. The 2001 team, even if Henson were on the roster, was not good enough to avoid this.
And even with Henson they were way outmatched by Tennessee; even if the best-case scenario happened and they did finish the regular season undefeated, they would have gone to the Rose Bowl and been absolutely annihilated by Miami.
|8 weeks 5 days ago||Our offensive line was||
Our offensive line was exposed against USC in the Rose Bowl. 12 sacks. It was a turnstile.
LSU's strongest position group was its D-line. I don't think we were going to do any better against them.
|8 weeks 5 days ago||Coaching staff atrophy was a||
Coaching staff atrophy was a major reason that Michigan underachieved in the Carr era. There are a lot of interesting factors that may or may not have contributed to this (Carr's loyalty, settling on "Michigan Men" instead of getting the best available guys, lack of money available to hire better staff) but the effect is obvious: Stagnation in ideas, erosion in technique, an almost non-existent coaching tree.
Hermann was capable of occasional brilliance (see Purdue, 2003) but for the most part the defense sharply underachieved relative to the potential of the players on the field. It is notable in retrospect to remember that Herman's greatest triumph was the '97 team--and those were all players that were coached in technique by Greg Mattison.
|8 weeks 5 days ago||You give last year's interior||
You give last year's interior OL a C at best? Doesn't C mean "average?" Doesn't C constitute a passing grade?
Is this one of those "When everyone is super, no one will be" grading scales? We all get nice grades to make us feel good about ourselves. There are no Ds or Fs. "Boom Goes the Dynamite" guy gets a C for his broadcast. Joe Dumars gets a C for salary cap management. The NCAA gives Cam Newton a C for compliance. Target gets a C for computer network security. The VA gets a C for bureaucratic efficiency and ethics.
If last year's interior OL doesn't merit a big, fat, red F at the top of the page, nobody does.
|8 weeks 5 days ago||Yes. We then gave up two punt||
Yes. We then gave up two punt returns for TDs, and I believe there were other errors as well. If you eliminate special teams scores of that nature Michigan wins the game.
That was the year that Carr flirted with a "spread punt" formation. He tried it because the existing punt plan was not working. The spread punt was also a miserable failure, which demonstrated a couple of things to me:
1. Lloyd Carr was not so reactionary that he was not willing to try something new or different to see if it would work.
2. Lloyd and staff were bad at coaching things they were not already long familiar with.
The reason Carr coached the way he coached, running the offenses and defenses he ran, was not because he was convinced that it was the only way to play; it was because it was the only way he knew how to coach.
EDIT: One of those "returns" against Oregon was a punt block "return" for a TD.
|8 weeks 5 days ago||2001 and 2004 are, in||
2001 and 2004 are, in retrospect, seasons where the team performed about as well as could have been expected. The 2001 team had Marquise Walker, a redshirt sophomore QB who was not supposed to be the guy, an average defense, and nothing else. Navarre, of course, was overmatched in many circumstances, but this is at least partly due to the team's inability to run the ball or defend adequately. He would have made a fine game manager. Losing Drew Henson hurt quite a bit that season, but he still wouldn't have won us a national title.
As it was, the losses were:
1. An extremely flukey loss at Washington three days before 9/11 where Michigan controlled the game until a blocked field goal was returned for a TD and then a flare pass (not perfectly accurate but certainly catchable by the RB, who I think was Perry) was tipped and picked for another TD.
2. The clock game
3. A Murphy's Law home game against OSU that Michigan could have won despite Navarre and the rest of the team playing like hot garbage.
4. A matchup against a Tennessee team that could/should have played for the national title, stacked with elite offensive talent that torched our overmatched defense.
2004 was a different case, a team rebuilding at several key spots that overachieved and promised much for the future; those promises went largely unkept. After the annual road opener loss* with a freshman QB the team roared through the B1G, mugged MSU with Braylon Edwards, and had a Pasadena trip clinched before a stinging loss to OSU that nobody remembers because it was the day after the Malice at the Palace.
The Rose Bowl was a great game, and we took a team featuring a transcendant Vince Young to the limit; the next season, an all-time USC team proved that we were hardly the only team unable to stop him. Given that key contributors Henne, Hart, and Long were freshmen at the time, I can't be upset about how the season went. Unfortunately, at great programs that is just a springboard for better days in the future. At Michigan we've barely seen such success since.
*Michigan teams have stunk in their first road trips for years. Lloyd Carr teams were execrable on the road in September. Pick any loss at Notre Dame after the graduation of Rick Mirer, or look at the horrific UCLA loss in 2000, or the crushing disaster at Oregon in 2003, or anything else. Even in wins the team was bad--in 1999 Michigan traveled to Syracuse and barely escaped against a team that turned out to be mediocre. It's not a coincidence that the '97 title was won in a year in which the first road trip happened a month into the season and was a game at Indiana.
|8 weeks 5 days ago||I'd put 1999 at the top of||
I'd put 1999 at the top of the list. 2006 was a terrific team, of course, but I still have a hard time forgiving the meltdown against USC; conversely, the only team I wouldn't have given the '99 team a great chance to beat that year was Florida State, and even that could have been a good game.
The Illinois loss was pretty terrible, but it was bizarre--part of the reason the collapse happened was because Anthony Thomas had already been taken out of the game due to a small injury that he could've continued with. Carr took him out of the game because he (reasonably) felt that Michigan was comfortably enough ahead not to worry about it. One of my worst experiences ever attending a game.
Other than that game, Michigan got beaten on the road by an excellent MSU team; both participants in that game played the two participants of the SEC championship game in the state of Florida and won. That feels like a long, long time ago.
The 2003 team is actually one of the most inexcusable underperformances of Carr's career, and it irks me more every year because we squandered one of the few teams that had genuine top five potential. Both the Oregon and Iowa losses hinged on horrific special teams meltdowns and were still winnable; play even average special teams (entirely a coaching issue) and Michigan plays in the Sugar Bowl for the national title.
|8 weeks 5 days ago||In my opinion, sexual||
In my opinion, sexual harassment and sexual assault are not things to joke about. Whomever this is ought to be unmasked and vilified.
Sure, it's funny ha-ha. But if it has actually been filed, the court has to at least address it, and headlines like the one here on the board show up. It may initially ding Manziel, but ultimately the people who get hurt are real victims.
Every spurious claim of harassment or assault impugns the character of people who have truly been victimized, and that is disgraceful.
|9 weeks 4 days ago||People are referencing the 06||
People are referencing the 06 game, but to me the best UM-OSU talent showdown was '97. All those mid-to-late 90s rivalry games were loaded.
|9 weeks 6 days ago||OKC is not available...||
OKC is not available... yet.
|9 weeks 6 days ago||Imagine him developing||
Imagine him developing innovative pick sets for Kevin Durant. Imagine him designing quality ball movement and perimeter spacing for Klay Thompson and Steph Curry.
I would like to imagine that he loves Ann Arbor and has no desire to leave. Because if he did...
|9 weeks 6 days ago||Rantsports may not be much,||
Rantsports may not be much, but this discussion entered the MGoTwitSphere a couple of days ago based on this:
So there is at least some legitimacy here.
I've had a hard time following the ups and downs of teams with strong perimeter talent, like Golden State and OKC, and not thinking that Beilein would be able to work wonders with those squads. Of course, there's more to NBA coaching than being a great offensive mind. But then, Beilein seems to have a respectful, professional mentality that NBA players may really appreciate.
Also keep in mind that Flip Saunders seems very comfortable with college coaching, and that he may have trouble drawing a big name. And for at least a season he has a 4 on his roster that is kind of the Beilein platonic ideal.
|10 weeks 1 day ago||Baseball has a hard time||
Baseball has a hard time marketing its stars. There are a lot of legit reasons for this, but the bottom line is that a guy like Miggy isn't going to get as much as he might deserve simply because of the headwinds he naturally faces as a guy who swings at baseballs for a living.
Yeah, Trout is getting a big push because he is so good at such a young age, but even then he's at best the fourth-most-significant athlete in his own market (Kobe, Blake, And CP3) and is unlikely to ever enter the rarified air of superstars that is reserved in this culture for the most elite basketball and football players to the exclusion of anyone else.
So it's no surprise that Miggy isn't up there, either.
|10 weeks 1 day ago||Dude, don't undersell. This||
Dude, don't undersell. This may be May, but this will remain one of the best moments of the year in the regular season. That must have been awesome to see in person.
I know it was awesome at home. I was worried that I had scarred my children...
But my wife tells me that six-year-old daughter's reaction from her bed to hearing my reaction downstairs was this matter-of-fact statement to her sisters: "That was Mi-GUEL Cab-RERA."
|10 weeks 6 days ago||I guess that I should root||
I guess that I should root for the Cities to get it since I live in Minnesota now, even though everything would be 2.5 hours away. I'm actually more interested in NCAA tournament visits, since those are things I could conceivably go to.
I think the new Vikings stadium has been a debacle, but it will still be nice to have a new facility to host events. Maybe they'll even host the Lions for a Monday-Nighter that I could actually attend.
|10 weeks 6 days ago||As long as they have good||
As long as they have good weather, a roof, or New York City in the background.
And I'm fine with that; The Super Bowl "usually" goes to warm weather venues, but the occasional roofed cold weather venue is a nice change, and a good carrot for cities that actually invest in a new stadium, even if it can be a foolish expenditure. It's a good way of spreading the game to different cities that wouldn't normally get the opportunity.
The only downside is that it increases the probability that new facilities will have roofs, even in moderate climates. Doesn't seem like a big trend yet, though.
|11 weeks 1 day ago||Things are so slow right now||
Things are so slow right now that I don't think a daily game thread is a bad idea. This will probably stick on the FP for a day or two, but by Thursday? I'd rather have a fresh thread. My two cents.
|11 weeks 1 day ago||I get MLB.tv, too, and I||
I get MLB.tv, too, and I think it's great. It's not the same as high-def cable, but it's a whole lot better than nothing. A worthwhile buy, given that the Tigers a team worth following closely.
Honestly? Call or email a complaint. If there is no available tv coverage it may be an error. Worst that can happen is that they can say, "sorry, no dice."
Of course it could be an issue with Astros TV rights negotiations, so I don't know.
Anyway, watching Tigers-Twins games on TV is a small price for me; this is my second year and it's a great value.
|11 weeks 1 day ago||I'll believe this is an||
I'll believe this is an intellectually honest opinion if you can either document your protest of President Obama's speech at U of M in 2010 due to his excessive use of drone strikes, or coherently argue that it is better to kill suspected terrorists and their families than to waterboard them.
I have mixed thoughts about these issues and differ in places with Rice's politics, but this is not the place to get into them. The fact is, politicians on both sides of the aisle have their hands dirty in these areas; Rice did not get shouted down because of any one issue. It was garden-variety partisan politics. I think commencements should be above that (and had no problem with President Obama speaking at either UM or any other place). However, many don't.
But the point of my post was not to give you a chance to throw out your views, but to illuminate the larger situation that Rutgers has allowed itself to become entangled in. And to state why the "Politics" explanation was an accurate comment from Legrand.
|11 weeks 1 day ago||I think we have a winner in||
I think we have a winner in the "most flagrant example of someone who responds to a comment without reading the whole post" daily sweepstakes.
|11 weeks 1 day ago||As the borderline-illicit||
As the borderline-illicit conversation earlier in the thread demonstrates, whether he editorialized or not he was completely accurate. Rutgers is responding to political pressure here and they are not doing it well.
|11 weeks 1 day ago||Double post||
Whoops, doubling down on folly.
|11 weeks 1 day ago||It's "political reasons"||
It's "political reasons" because they seriously screwed up in allowing Condi Rice to be shouted down because some people didn't like her politics, so they needed to get someone who seemed to make up for it.
Further discussion of details of this would violate the board's no-politics policy.
|11 weeks 5 days ago||"Among the stadiums being||
"Among the stadiums being considered..."
There are dozens and dozens of qualified venues. I would expect this to be a very incomplete, very provisional list. Wouldn't be at all surprised to see Chicago get a bid, unless they try to concentrate the venues into geographic "hubs" for travel and fan attention purposes. In that scenario, Florida, the Acela corridor, and California/Arizona/Texas would get more priority.
The inclusion of Stanford Stadium and the Citrus Bowl would suggest that they are considering just that possibility.
|11 weeks 5 days ago||I have to wonder if the||
I have to wonder if the Olympics in Brazil had anything to do with this. Seems like a stretch, since South America is a lot more than Brazil, but while it's a nice move to include more North American teams (I am all in favor of turning the contest into a hemispherical championship to parallel the Euro) it certainly is odd to move it to the US for an anniversary edition.
Perhaps this is a "for the brand" type move. Let me explain:
CONMEBOL, in this scenario, may want to expand the profile of the tournament. It certainly has legit teams and the European championships are a huge deal, so there's grounds to do this. It's an anniversary year, so it's a perfect chance to really pump things up. How better than to get both the US and Mexico, as well as other North American teams, who can bring both viewers and international profile?
So they start spinning the wheels. They suggest it to the US officials, say. "How about joining us for a huge Pan-American championship." US: "Sure, what do you have in mind?" CON: "Well, we could have the Copa America in Argentina..." US: "HA HA HA HA YOU'RE KIDDING RIGHT?"
Argentina, of course, has serious economic problems right now. It is quite possible that other S. American countries simply aren't equipped for a serious, credible international tournament of this caliber, at least one that the US and Mexico would commit their teams to for two or three weeks.
So Brazil would be the logical choice... except they'll be kinda busy with the Olympics, and it's a let-down after the World Cup.
So, to get their big tournament with the big names, they go to the one place that has every facility and every piece of infrastructure already in place: Here.
And they'll get fans. San Fran, LA, Glendale, "North Texas," Houston, Miami. Chicago and New York if you'd like. Venues that aren't used in the summer that have everything they need, and plenty of fans nearby.
I like it.
|11 weeks 5 days ago||Coke is obviously someone||
Coke is obviously someone they have no confidence in, but he's there because they just plain need arms. That's why Ortega was called up, too--these aren't guys who are pitching well enough to be in the long-term plans, but you need arms to get through games where things go wrong. Like last Saturday, which I had the dubious privilege of attending as my "Tiger game of the year."
|11 weeks 5 days ago||I saw some writers suggest||
I saw some writers suggest that Joba and Joel would alternate the setup job, which seems sensible. In practice there will be plenty of games where the Tigers are tied or behind, or Joba is spent, that Hanrahan would have the opportunity to take a late inning or two; if he's good he'll get just as much key work.
Right now the Tigers are using guys like Krol and Al-Al to fill that role, and that has gone about as well as you'd expect when situational guys are put into full-inning spots.
|11 weeks 5 days ago||Not buying this at all. As||
Not buying this at all. As you said, just talk on the radio. Ray wasn't even expected to come up at all this season, but his great start and Sanchez's blister have created the opportunity to try him out. As a long-term solution, though? I think it's preposterous. We've barely even see Drew start due to the uneven schedule early in the season.
Obviously, Smyly would be an asset in the bullpen if there were a serviceable fifth starter, but the Tigers see him as a starter and I think we should let him get into a regular start-ever-five-days rotation to evaluate how he handles it over a longer term before we decide it's time to put in a 22-year-old who has a lot of developing to do.
|12 weeks 11 hours ago||I have a hard time believing||
I have a hard time believing that this is considered at all if money or prestige means anything. It's such a crazy idea that it seems more plausible that he's just using college hockey the same way Major Junior prospects do, to gain concessions from his preferred jobs. Still, if he really wants to coach college, it's a love-of-the-game thing that has little to do with any conventional level of prestige or money.
|12 weeks 11 hours ago||I've been in the same boat as||
I've been in the same boat as other regular hockey fans; this has been kind of an amusing fantasy, along the same lines as deciding what kind of car you'll buy when you win the Billion Dollar Bracket Challenge. "Yeah, I'd like Mike Babcock, and a leather-wrapped gearshift lever with heated seats."
As Gordon Berenson says, the Burns tweet and other tea leaves certainly seem to turn this into a legitimate possibility. The Burns tweet in particular is startling--if this has been believed by people in the program, it is both genuinely plausible and a driver in other decisions that have affected the team.
Notably, Mel Pearson had real doubts about taking the Michigan Tech job. It seemed to me that he had the full support, and perhaps even the recommendation, of his superiors to take it. It would have been reasonable for him to wait around, given his love for living in the area, if he was expected to take the job when Red left. But if they felt that he would not be the next coach, it helps explain why he would leave to take another, less prominent head job while it was still available.
I would caution fans from assuming that this means that Babcock will automatically be a smash hit in college, should he come here. He may not want to invest many years at the job--he could easily be gone in four. The different level of hockey also requires a different touch in player development and gameplanning that might not suit his strengths.
That said, this seems like it would be a slam dunk. If he has any personal charm at all, recruiting should be fine. And I'll speculate that he knows how to develop players. And a guy who knows how to deal with Gold Medal pressure in Canada and Stanley Cup pressure in the NHL probably won't fold under the pressure of 2000 people at a neutral site in an early-round NCAA tournament game.
|12 weeks 5 days ago||It's a Heisenberg uncertainty||
It's a Heisenberg uncertainty issue: knowledge of the result changes things. Either way.
|12 weeks 5 days ago||The "long process" is good||
The "long process" is good for the players no matter how they voted. I'm agnostic about what is best for them, but the specter of "They may have voted to unionize!" Will continue to hang over the NCAA and continue to drive the sweeping changes we are already seeing. If they voted "no" and the result was revealed, this would all die down. But the ballots are seized, so the fear is still there.
|13 weeks 5 days ago||Pavel. Goodness gracious that||
Pavel. Goodness gracious that was amazing.
|13 weeks 5 days ago||I suspect there are a fair||
I suspect there are a fair number of fans who, for whatever reason, don't buy. Of course, some who buy aren't really dedicated fans of the sport, either. One's fanhood is not dependent upon how much they are able to spend or how much they measure up to someone else's ideal of fandom.
I just wouldn't be quick to blame this on the students or to attack their fanhood. The part of your post where you worried about the future of the athletic program was actually something I agreed with, but it was hard to get past the beginning.
|13 weeks 5 days ago||Can an aspiring neo-LSUFreek||
Can an aspiring neo-LSUFreek graft Brandon's head onto that gif?
Actually, it would be funnier if it were Hoke's head. Let's go with that.
|13 weeks 5 days ago||You can't be a fan if you||
You can't be a fan if you don't cheerfully plunk down $300 for a single student ticket, or much more if you're not a student?
Am I disqualified from being a fan now that I can no longer pay big money to attend all of the games because I live in Minnesota? This will come as a great surprise to my wife, daughters, and friends, who have actually seen the attention I give to Michigan teams.
|13 weeks 5 days ago||Maybe they're just a bit||
Maybe they're just a bit below their expected totals and want to bring a few more into the fold. This could be a minor issue, and a courtesy to the "most loyal" fans whom they would expect to renew.
Or this could be a symptom of a serious problem that combines general apathy regarding the state of the team, rapidly growing costs of attendance, and a pitiful schedule against a struggling football conference.
I'm starting to wonder if it's the latter. This will only amplify the pressure on Hoke to produce this season; I actually think a scenario where the team struggled early, but pulls things together late and wins some big games is a real possibility--but it's going to be hard to survive serious attendance revolt and a mediocre September.
Months ago, Alton predicted that the 100,000 attendance streak would be broken this year. I thought that his prediction was premature... but now I'm not so sure.
|13 weeks 6 days ago||I'm not surprised. Youth||
I'm not surprised. Youth soccer participation does not necessarily result in an increase of interested soccer spectators. And while Michigan is multi-ethnic, it is hardly high on that list.
Detroit Metro is not a growth area right now, and while it is a great sports city the fans are fans of some of the longest-tenured franchises in their respective sports, franchises that are part of the long-term fabric of the community. A soccer team will neither have that nor a hungry sport fanbase eagerly awaiting a soccer team to cheer.
Now, years ago I liked this idea, and I thought they could repurpose Tiger Stadium for Soccer, but there just isn't the demand. Detroit is the wrong profile.
|13 weeks 6 days ago||Yes. A lot of detail in a||
Yes. A lot of detail in a small amount of time, without getting garbled or rushed.
There is a plus in radio, though--you can lag the action a bit if you need to. Beckman used to do that, and Baseball guys do it all the time, and it works fine. Without the picture on the television it blends without issue.
|13 weeks 6 days ago||Not exactly full-time. The||
Not exactly full-time. The time and travel commitments are much lower than they are for the NFL. Travel is a lot less, and he needs to spend less time per game. I believe he lives in St. Louis, so trips to Ann Arbor and throughout Big Ten country are not a burden. There won't be the same requirements for production meetings and prep.
I would guess that he would be obligated to put in, at most, half the time that he put in for his CBS job.
|13 weeks 6 days ago||The title should probably be||
The title should probably be editted to reflect that Brandstatter is PBP and Dierdorf is color. Just a suggestion.
I like, but don't love, this move. I have quite a bit more attachment to Dierdorf than average sports fans, partly because he's a thorough Michigan partisan, and partly because I think he is actually fun to listen to. Granted, he has lost some of his sharpness, but this seems like a good step down for him--a couple of years covering a team he loves, much lower work and travel requirements, a fanbase that loves to have him.
I like Brandstatter quite a bit, too. I'm glad he continues to be a major media voice for Michigan. I am not sold on him as a PBP guy--he has always been color on the radio and been a host on tv, without doing anything even as intense as narrating highlights.
I hope he works out. It could be that he has always had the ability to do it and we've just never seen it. It's also possible that he just won't quite have the knack for it.
That would be no knock on him--there are lots of media guys whom I like, who are smart, who are good on television and/or radio, who aren't good PBP guys. PBP requires a special combination of observation, voice, meter, and timing.
But it's worth a try. None of the other guys connectd to the opening--Karsch, Shepard, etc--are surefire hits either. Shep is who he is, and it seems that he's hit a ceiling. Karsch is a great Michigan guy but in his few PBP opportunities he hasn't been impressive. Might as well give it a shot with Brandstatter. Who knows? It could be great. I occasionally listen to Twins radio up here, and I was struck that one of their guys was just a fantastic baseball announcer. Loved his voice, loved his stories, loved the presence he had calling the game. I figured he was a long-time radio man, one of the classic decade-long anchors on a Baseball broadcast, a lifelong radio professional.
So I looked him up. It was Dan Gladden. Turns out he's a great PBP guy. So maybe Brandstatter can be, too.
|14 weeks 1 day ago||Fair enough, I stand||
Fair enough, I stand corrected.
|14 weeks 1 day ago||Just because I typed earlier||
Just because I typed earlier that we shouldn't single out their fans for being worse than an average fanbase doesn't mean that I can't agree that this is totally delusional.
|14 weeks 1 day ago||You think Tennessee people||
You think Tennessee people are significantly worse than other fanbases? I'd say that's a stretch. And you can't exactly base your opinion on the larger fanbase based on what some of them say on message boards, as even this place (and this is one of the "good" ones) can demonstrate.
Now, there is something to be said for getting out of a situation where you aren't popular and were even thought to be on a hot seat. I don't blame him. But let's not pretend that Tennessee folks are worse than other fans just because we're biased against the South.
|14 weeks 1 day ago||Congratulations. We've had||
We've had 115 inches so far with more coming tomorrow. It's not bad, though--last year we had 135" and had 50" just in April, plus a few in May. It was absurd.
And until last week almost none of it had melted off. My sidewalk had five foot snowbanks on both sides--it was like Hoth.
But 95" is a lot for Michigan and more than our "average," so it's nothing to sneeze at.
|14 weeks 2 days ago||That regret shouldn't be read||
That regret shouldn't be read as anything negative about the team, the staff, or the school; it was apparent to anyone closely following the team that GRIII had been passed by both Stauskas and Levert as offensive contributors, and when McGary went down the two-post offense (which I had always taken to be a move by Beilein to keep GRIII happy with his role) went away for good and GRIII had to go back to the 4 spot, which wasn't his best position.
As a consequence his draft stock has dropped; there's no question about it. He struggled a bit. It is not unreasonable for a person in that position to be a good teammate and still think that perhaps they would have been better off making the jump earlier.
So from that standpoint this doesn't surprise me at all.
|14 weeks 2 days ago||Because he is establishing||
Because he is establishing himself as a long-term rotation player in the NBA with legit scoring touch a portfolio that already includes several special games.
It's not like he was, at any time in his career, ever expected to be a superstar. Most guys that are "NBA ready" aren't the next Lebron James; they're guys who people expect to be able to contribute to a team. And the fact is that not all of them work out--even the high draft picks. Look at the first overall pick for a good example of that.
He is doing quite well in the NBA because he has, in only his first season, proven that he belongs and that he has good things to offer to teams. This is significant. He'll get better, and he'll play in the NBA for quite a while. He is already close to meeting his perceived potential.
|14 weeks 2 days ago||I can understand it, even if||
I can understand it, even if it's disappointing. He still has "athletic potential" right now. Another year of basically the same performance (and playing the 4, which he is known not to like but is the logical place to put him on a team with a shortage of bigs and a lot of wings) and he's not draftable at all.
I'm legitimately worried that we'll lose all three.
|14 weeks 2 days ago||This is disappointing, but I||
This is disappointing, but I can understand the logic: Yes, GRIII could use another year to really refine his game... but if something goes awry and he doesn't improve significantly (including, say, an injury that limits his game for half the season), he won't get drafted at all. And then, even if his game does blossom, he would face a huge uphill battle to ever make an Association roster.
So he may be choosing to get out while there is still a lot of "athletic potential" attached to his name.
And if that's the case, I don't blame him. Even if he does improve quite a bit, he would still probably be the third option behind Levert (for sure) and McGary (if he comes back) next season.
Sometimes you have to make the leap. College will be there.
|14 weeks 2 days ago||This is a difficult situation||
This is a difficult situation to deal with regardless. No legal charges were filed, and the issue was tabled, and then a laboriously slow University investigation begins...
If Hoke acts early, he looks good if Gibbons is guilty. If Gibbons is not guilty, it's Duke Lacrosse all over again.
I think acting prematurely in this case would have been rash, even if the result eventually warranted action. And I say this as a person whose worldview thinks very poorly of Gibbons' actions even if there was consent involved.
No question that this has been handled poorly, though. All kinds of bad pub for the program.
|14 weeks 5 days ago||I tend to think that the||
I tend to think that the Gardner-to-WR decision was a staff-wide decision based on cost-benefit analysis. Receiver was a significant position of need, and they had a player as blessed with physical gifts as any on the roster sitting on the bench behind a once-in-a-generation unique talent. The most likely scenario for any backup QB playing would be a play or two when Denard got hurt, something that happened with some frequency, but nothing that a guy like Bellomy couldn't deal with. Meanwhile, receiver was a real need--and Michigan at the time was in a position to gamble, because the thought was that senior Denard had a chance to be special enough to elevate the team to some kind of championship, and having an extra athletic receiver was worth more than having a slightly better backup quarterback.
In the less likely scenario that Denard had to miss games, they could still move Gardner back to QB. And this, it turns out, is exactly what happened; we can debate whether Gardner could have helped Michigan win at Nebraska from the QB spot, but once Denard was out the move worked pretty well.
A position change that significant does not happen without the HC's input; who knows where it originally came from, but it surely made for a lot of discussion. And I think it actually worked out pretty well, post-Denard offense in Lincoln being the glaring exception.
|14 weeks 5 days ago||Maybe they did. And maybe||
Maybe they did. And maybe Borges made changes that we don't have the breadth of knowledge to remember/notice. Or maybe he said, "I need to have a TE over LT for certain plays/concepts/blocking schemes, and if I don't have him out there some other times it's a tell to the defense." There are lots of defensible reasons, even if the overall effect is insufficient.
That's where meddling is problematic. Suppose (and this is plausible, if not likely) that Hoke demanded certain concepts be used or abandoned prior to the Nebraska debacle. Of course, we all know how it went, and we all remember the NU defenders suggesting that they could tell what Michigan would run.
Then, in this hypothetical scenario, Hoke pointedly asks Borges why they were so predictable. And Borges says, "Because you wouldn't let me run the stuff that keeps them off balance." Or, "The stuff they predicted was the stuff you made me run. I wouldn't call it that way otherwise." Either way, whether accurate or not, this hypothetical HC interference makes improvement much more difficult, and accurate staff evaluation much harder.
If, as I suspect, Borges had free reign to run the offense as he wanted in 2013, then his firing makes complete sense. If Hoke was actually ramrodding new blocking schemes and lineups down his throat ("Al, we need to bench Milker, and I want pulling guards next week. Make it happen,") then much if this season's chaos is on him and the Borges firing looks like a scapegoating. I'm not inclined to believe this, but that is a danger in meddling.
|14 weeks 5 days ago||I wonder if we're missing||
I wonder if we're missing part of the issue here--he talks about minutes, which it is true he had trouble getting. But Beilein's system doesn't exactly feed post guys for low block iso plays, either, and that appears to have been one of is strengths. He just never had time to show it. If he really thinks that's a strength that he wants to explore, I understand this choice a lot better.
Because Mitch or not, Michigan is not going to spend a lot of time pounding the ball to the block and clearing out.
|14 weeks 5 days ago||HCs delegate to their||
HCs delegate to their coordinators. When they meddle, it's a bigger problem. Now, a head coach who has expertise in an area may be heavily involved in that area, but then he usually leaves the other side of the ball alone. Cf Pete Carroll, Chip Kelly, etc.
I had issues with the Borges hire, but he had a pretty long resume coming in, and in the act if hiring him Hoke needed to give him the leeway to make those choices. To do it "his way." Meddling during the season at random times is probably not wise. Hoke made a mistake leaving things unchanged after 2012, but there wasn't much he could do about it in October.
|14 weeks 5 days ago||Apparently he says that MM's||
Apparently he says that MM's decision has no bearing on his. Could be troubling, but then it could just mean that he knows he's not stabbing his teammates in the back and that freed him to decide based on other factors.
Also, if he said that MM's decision DID have an effect, it's a dead giveaway, so he has to deny regardless.
|14 weeks 6 days ago||Holy cow. That's amazing.||
Holy cow. That's amazing.
|14 weeks 6 days ago||A school cannot compel a||
A school cannot compel a booster to do something, and the NCAA would be unfair to make them. Nor can the NCAA compel former players to talk, or punish their former teams for that.
Can you imagine Michigan getting punished because, say, Desmond Howard thinks that there's a witch hunt and won't cooperate? That would be ridiculous.
It's the heart of many of the NCAA's problems. Remember, the Ed Martin stuff was resolved in part because Chris Webber was legally obligated by the Feds to talk to eligibility investigators.
|14 weeks 6 days ago||Ouch.||
|14 weeks 6 days ago||"Drug references are almost||
"Drug references are almost always correlated with minorities, while excused for non-minorities."
This is imflammatory, political, unprovable (or do you have a source for this?), and untrue.
I talk about drugs in my line of work from time to time, but it has nothing to do with the ethnic origin of the people involved. Usually it has to do with me working with addicts or ex-addicts or children of people who are in prison for crimes related to use and/or dealing. Some of them are white, and some of them are not, and it really doesn't make the slightest bit of difference.
So watch it with the blanket statements.
|14 weeks 6 days ago||1. Today =/= Bo's time, but||
1. Today =/= Bo's time, but today's rules are extensions of rules that have existed since Bo's time, and Bo cared about them. The "Rich guys making the rules" are actually bureaucrats continually tweaking rules meant to uphold rules and principles that have existed for decades. And there certainly was a lot of cheating going on in Bo's time.
2. Me either.
3. I didn't call them unethical. I explicitly stated that I don't care about the people taking the money; it's the system of people giving it (and, specifically, the University Athletic Departments that are letting it continue) that I have a problem with. It is an unethical system. If, in fact, Michigan makes some kind of attempt to not let this go on. I am aware, of course, that some stuff may occur here too.
4. I made my point about you putting your money up becuase your previous post seemed, to me, to imply that not giving these kids a cut of the money they were producing was ethically problematic enough that it required existing rules to be violated. Perhaps it was just a harsh reaction, which is understandable, but that's where my money comment came from.
|14 weeks 6 days ago||You've been kind of obnoxious||
You've been kind of obnoxious in this thread, but I would actually like to see this. The SEC has effectively done this already; what you propose would be a massive, needed realignment in big-time college sports.
Frankly, the worst that could happen is that the SEC could get expelled from the NCAA. Then they could just play an SEC football season with paid players, crown the conference champion, and declare themselves the best college football team in the country... and they'd be right.
|14 weeks 6 days ago||Because if you admit it the||
Because if you admit it the NCAA actually CAN do something about it. The reason the NCAA is impotent on this is because they cannot compel people to talk. They could ask a known bag man if he gave money, he could say "no," and that would be that. He is not under oath and they have no way of proving that he's lying.
But if they actually say what's going on, the NCAA has evidence and has proven that it will act on it. Disproportionately, even. The NCAA overreacts to certain things precisely because it cannot react properly to the worse stuff that it knows but cannot prove is going on.
|14 weeks 6 days ago||What rich dudes? Amateurism||
What rich dudes? Amateurism rules may be an anachronism from a different time, but in that time there wasn't all that much money going around but these rules certainly do trace their origins to that time.
Are you saying that someone like Bo Shembechler felt it was crucially important to do things "the right way" not because he had a sense of integrity but because he really just wanted to keep all the money to himself and away from his poor, exploited student athletes? C'mon, that's idiotic.
Are you arguing that Michigan and its fans are, in fact, guilty of exploiting our athletes because this sort of thing is not encouraged here? Do you put your money where your typing fingers are and buy them lunch whenever you can?
|14 weeks 6 days ago||What if this makes GRIII's||
What if this makes GRIII's departure more likely, since this virtually guarantees that he'll be seeing significant time at the 4 and we know that's an issue for him?
Just trying to find the tar lining on a silver cloud.
|14 weeks 6 days ago||I care. I don't care about||
I care. I don't care about needy families getting help, grandparents getting a tractor fixed, etc.
What I care about is that teams that actually try to follow the agreed-upon rules of the game are punished for not breaking them. Michigan has, by all appearances, at least tried to do things the "right way."
Our reward is to watch programs who don't care enjoy a generation's worth of inflated success.
Let the kids have the money, fine. But what is going on is still unethical and wrong. At times like this I begin to think that the system needs to get blown up, and that I don't really care if that does mean irreperable harm to the sport.
And if it turns out that the blind eye the NCAA turns toward this stuff is not (as most, including myself, believe) due to incompetence but an actual deliberate act of overlooking stuff it knows it can't deal with, the Feds need to get involved. Like, criminal conspiracy to deprive paid employees of proper rights indictment involved.
Do I sound annoyed? I think I am.
|14 weeks 6 days ago||Hadn't we just heard Horford||
Hadn't we just heard Horford confirm that he was coming back for his fifth year?
My initial reaction is quite disappointed. Horford brought a lot of good things to the table, and at times was as vital to the team's performance as Morgan. It is true that he seemed to decline late in the year, but I was still counting on him in a big way next season.
My hope is that this is just a tea leaf that means that McGary is back and that Horford knows Donnal will play ahead of him and he wants to try something different.
But then it might not mean that. He walks to the beat of his own drum. Who knows?
|14 weeks 6 days ago||Jon Horford to transfer for||
|14 weeks 6 days ago||I actually haven't held that||
I actually haven't held that assumption. A stipend is a nice way to cover the "real costs" of attendance, and perhaps it helps take care of some of the corrupt "$50 handshakes" around the edges that can get kids into, say, gambling problems.
But this stuff can and will still happen. There's a lot of cash available. The only way this gets interdicted (and I am not advocating this move) is to allow players to make as much money outside of the sport as they want, out of endorsements and such. That would introduce new semi-legitimate ways to funnel money to players, and a system of guaranteed endorsement deals and soft jobs would pop up. In that system, Michigan and Michigan State players could expect dealership and corporate sponsorships from Ford and GM and other such arrangements, while every Oregon player would become a paid Nike spokesman.
|14 weeks 6 days ago||In this case, if the reporter||
In this case, if the reporter names names the story doesn't happen and he learns (and reports) nothing. All that he gets is a small smidgen of information, which he might report, which is then flatly denied. If he gets too specific he is threatened with lawsuits. Or he winds up harming his own reputation by "spreading rumors" without proper sourcing.
This reporter didn't want to go to the incredible legwork it would take to really make this a publishable story. His route was "easier," but still worthwhile.
And that is not a bash. I think reporting a real story that really named names and uncovered real corruption would be huge. It would also take almost Watergate-level reporting and effort with no guarantee of success. I don't blame the guy for reporting the way he did.
|14 weeks 6 days ago||The reason cycling appears to||
The reason cycling appears to be "cleaner" is that they now use a comprehensive doping control method called the "biological passport," which goes beyond testing for foreign substances and actually checks the levels of chemicals and blood components in the system that doping is designed to influence. EPO, for example, is intended to increase the volume of red blood cells, which directly affects the body's ability to transmit oxygen to cells. Increasing this level will obviously cause a considerable boost in performance; with the bio passport a huge boost in this level will be immediately detected and Bad Things are supposed to happen.
This is not to suggest that the bio passport has no issues or that the management of it is free of controversy, because there certainly are issues of that nature. And this is not to say that doping still doesn't happen--it is just more detectable, and what does occur happens in a much narrower range that allows clean riders to ride and compete. Also, there are teams (like Garmin, whose owner makes anti-doping a priority and made clean racing a founding principle of the team) that have extra testing programs that build additional safeguards.
This is a sharp contrast from the 90s, when clean riders in excellent shape could not even keep up with the back of the field when everyone was doping--many didn't dope to win, they doped just to finish with the pack.
To answer a couple of other issues, doping must be illegal (or at least highly controlled) because it affects different riders differently, and because it can indeed harm the users. A number of riders died in the 90s because their EPO usage caused such high hemoglobin levels that they suffered cardiac failure.
|14 weeks 6 days ago||I have a hard time believing||
I have a hard time believing that any major program is completely clean. I would like to think that Michigan is "as clean as it can be," but I don't know what that means and I have no evidence about it, other than the fact that Michigan hasn't been that good and maybe maybe that's because they aren't as corrupt as a certain rival.
|14 weeks 6 days ago||Actually, I have an alternate||
Actually, I have an alternate hypothesis: The reason Michigan was able to get in on a lot of these recruits was that they were known not to be a legitimate threat in this landscape. So no need to discourage guys from taking interest in them, unlike SEC rivals.
|14 weeks 6 days ago||Just under RR? Um...||
Just under RR? Um...
But yes, that made me pause, too.
|14 weeks 6 days ago||That has happened before, and||
That has happened before, and it didn't go well for Cancellara. Boonen's sprint has since regressed and Cancellara's has improved, but I still think a two-up sprint between them is a foregone conclusion, should it come to that. It would be great theater, though, of course.
I'm a Spartacus guy, but I would love to see GvA finally get a big win after finishing on the wrong end of so many of these races. He's in shape this year and he has the team around him to make the noise. Nobody is more deserving. I wouldn't mind it at all.
|14 weeks 6 days ago||Our snow up here is finally||
Our snow up here is finally beginning to thaw. I'm still spinning in my basement when I get the time. Still better than last year, when the Giro was half over before the snow stopped falling.
One of the things I like about bike racing is the extra oomph it gives me to get on my bike when the weather becomes passable.
|14 weeks 6 days ago||Cycling is a lot cleaner than||
Cycling is a lot cleaner than it used to be, and it isn't unreasonable to believe that guys from teams like Garmin may be clean. And Garmin stormed Liege-Bastogne-Liege last season in terrific fashion.
That's not to say that cycling is now a sparkling beacon of cleanliness; just that it may be reverting to the level of dirtiness that is common in most sports.
|14 weeks 6 days ago||The reason none of this gets||
The reason none of this gets truly exposed is:
1. No media has a real interest in exposing it. There is little to gain, but a lot to lose--a local paper in the South can basically just sell off its printing presses and leave town ahead of the bankruptcy judge if they do this to a team they're covering. We are "reasonable" up here, and look at how many of us still have trouble with the Freep for a relatively light-weight scandal caused by a respected journalist in Rosenberg.
National media doesn't really want to get into this and they don't have the people on the ground to do it. It's a rabbit hole that is simply too deep and too complex to push into, and the problems that it would cause are too much to worry about.
2. Nothing that is happening here is illegal, unless these people are evading taxes. People gripe about the NCAA being dumb, but honestly, how in the world are they supposed to police this? I thought they were stupid to give Cam Newton a blanket stamp of approval so quickly, but realistically we all knew something was up but it was completely unprovable.
The NCAA does not have subpoena power; they cannot compel people to speak honestly.
There is a reason that major scandals often coincide with serious legal issues--it is those legal issues that involve actual law enforcement, and the NCAA violations that are exposed are a tertiary effect of those investigations. Remember, that's how the Ed Martin thing blew up here--Martin got nailed for real crimes, and as a consequence the NCAA violations were exposed.
The only way any of this really comes out is if the IRS starts doing some heavy investigation of all of the cash movement. Surely some of these payments are missing from 1040s.
I hate all of this. Not because someone's sister gets rehab paid for, but because the playing field is uneven and people pretend that it is not.
|14 weeks 6 days ago||I understand Quebec also bans||
I understand Quebec also bans humour.
|15 weeks 29 min ago||That's fair. I think we can||
That's fair. I think we can safely agree, without politics, that Michigan is dealing with some serious economic headwinds.
|15 weeks 8 hours ago||Ann Arbor is affluent, but||
Ann Arbor is affluent, but the school district finances are a steaming, hot mess. There are lots of "normal" things they can't afford. Proper bussing and busses, just for starters. I suspect a lot of A2's budget issues relative to the wealth of the community are kind of unique.
|15 weeks 9 hours ago||It might not stop everything,||
It might not stop everything, but it could theoretically limit the damage.
Remember that many of these awful events actually take a long time to unfold. It is rarely a two-minutes-and-its-over situation. I believe the shooter at VT was active and mobile in the building for nearly an hour, if I remember my facts correctly. I think the Columbine issue was similar.
Situations vary. We are fortunate that we have not had an Anders Brevik situation here, where an egotistical sicko (who will have decades of life after his release from prison!) had free reign for as long as he wanted to murder people. An armed guard could, theoretically, be in position to intervene in any situation in less than five minutes, even at a sprawling place like Pioneer. That wouldn't save everyone, but it could well limit the tragedy.
There are also arguments to be made that having armed guards present are a deterrent; it certainly seems like a lot of these shootings happen at places where the victims are known to be defenseless.
|15 weeks 9 hours ago||I actually think Spurrier is||
I actually think Spurrier is high. 90s Spurrier, of course, may have been #1, but he is not 90s Spurrier anymore. While he has produced two terrific teams in the last two years, he has not won the conference and he has balanced this with some mediocre seasons as well.
Miles, on the other hand... crazy, yes. #17? Too low.
38 seems like a polite, non-inflammatory spot for Hoke. This is all just subjective ranking anyway, after all. I can tell you that he'll be at the top of every "coach on the hotseat" list in August.
|15 weeks 10 hours ago||If you're referring to Fort||
If you're referring to Fort Hood, well, soldiers on base have been banned from being armed while not on actual military exercises for 20 years. So I don't think that really applies.
|15 weeks 10 hours ago||One contributing factor is||
One contributing factor is that most kids picture themselves as victims and not aggressors. Some of the most vicious bullies I've encountered have been themselves victims of some pretty dreadful treatment. I do think that parents need to take the lead in reigning in the actions of their own children, something that happens far too seldom, but it's not like we're looking at a black-and-white issue.
|15 weeks 10 hours ago||Oh boy, here we go. In||
Oh boy, here we go.
In actuality there is a good chance that a prepared, armed person could have limited the damage of the offending person. An armed police officer, for example, or a teacher who had taken a training course. The result probably wouldn't have been as bad.
That's not the issue; the issue is whether or not a policy that would place that armed person in that particular situation would be a net plus if applied to all schools. That is very much an uncertain issue. I have some opinions about these issues, and as someone who does some part-time work driving a school bus I actually am closer to some of the issues than others (I picked up a load of kids from a bus that was cleared due to a gun threat a couple of months ago, for example).
But there is no way to have this discussion without it flagrantly violating the policies of the board. Not to mention good taste and intellectual honesty. So why don't we just leave it there?
|15 weeks 10 hours ago||Of course you are. So am I,||
Of course you are. So am I, sort of. But this doesn't seem to be the sort of event that makes for a productive conversation of these issues, and this is probably (ok, definitely) not the venue for it either.
|15 weeks 10 hours ago||Many people just want||
Many people just want attention/affirmation. They do some pretty weird things to get it. This, of course, is ultra-destructive and harmful; it is also depressingly common. Obviously, this kid will suddenly get all kinds of attention, and knew it.
A month ago I went to the local hospital to see if a 16-year-old cousin of a person in our church was still there following a suicide attempt. She wasn't, but while I was there I ran into that person in the church--the 14-year-old sister of the first cousin had seen the attention her sister received and tried the same thing two days later. They both wound up ok, but that was the point anyway.
|15 weeks 11 hours ago||They already are. Do you know||
They already are. Do you know what happens to kids who bring a knife to school?
|15 weeks 11 hours ago||Being mean to others to give||
Being mean to others to give oneself enjoyment and/or satisfaction?
That happens a lot on here, and this is one of the well-managed boards.
It appears to be a part of human nature, though that doesn't make it right. I'm sure we can all remember times in our younger days where a group was digging on someone and we gained some thrill from joining in. For some, the thrill is in not being the object of derision; for others, perhaps, the being a part of a crowd. And people do often enjoy watching others suffer.
Our culture today has some real issues. This is not the time or place to deal with them. But they are there.
|15 weeks 1 day ago||Winners win. Losers make||
Winners win. Losers make excuses. At this point the "excuses" are entirely problems that have occurred on Hoke's watch, while he has been blessed with unique talents at QB (Denard, Devin) that have hidden many of the offensive flaws.
You know what program has as many excuses as any in the country? Try this: Coaching transition. Talent deficiencies. Huuuuuge question marks at QB. Fan revolt. Ultra-competitive conference. Awful, awful losing season.
I've just described the 2013 Auburn Tigers.
|15 weeks 1 day ago||Can't. These decisions aren't||
Can't. These decisions aren't made in a vacuum. A mediocre season this year (let's say, 8-4 with two of the losses being to MSU and OSU, no B1G title game berth, bowl obviously minor) without real signs of promise will cause recruits to flee the program and fans to combust.
This has already started to happen--note the awful conclusion to recruiting this season, as committed recruits fled like Ann Arbor had contracted smallpox, likely hit recruits chose other schools (and nobody could honestly fault them for it), and fans grew actively uneasy.
At some point the fan expectation is that Michigan should move past moral victories and into real ones. And failure to do so could actually endanger the programs prospects going forward, as lost confidence from recruits, diminished prestige, and a demographically challenging situation in the old rust belt have the potential to squeeze a momentum-less Michigan program into a relatively permanent, frustrated second tier.
There is a real possibility of ticket sales issues even this year. If the team does not perform, it could turn catastrophic next season. Brandon may be too revenue-stream focused, but that focus will result in firings if things go south this year.
The fact is, Hoke has had time. There may be "more time needed," but if so that is only because he squandered time earlier when OL problems first cropped up.
|15 weeks 1 day ago||I'm sure he sees the problem||
I'm sure he sees the problem because of what actually happened last year, because they fired Al Borges, and because I'm pretty sure that anyone who has been coaching for any length of time (much less decades, as Hoke has) knows a whole lot more about football that fans who gripe about coaches.
We've disagreed about this issue before, but a couple of rebuttals:
1. In the past you have based a lot of what you feel about Hoke on what you have heard him say (or, more frequently, not say) in comparison to what you want to hear regarding what is happening. But this is a poor basis for analyzing what is actually going on behind closed doors, particularly with someone like Hoke who absolutely will not expose "family business" in public if he can help it. Even to his extreme detriment, as in the "family matter" case.
Lloyd was the same way. He would never publically identify issues, playcalls, or areas of responsibility, even though he obviously knew what was going on behind the scenes. Recall his famous "I did" claim of responsibility for the John Navarre waggle play at MSU that almost blew a sure win, a call everyone knew he didn't make.
Hoke talks in platitudes and he speaks vaguely about what's happening. We don't necessarily like it, and in times of team struggle it can be frustrating, and it's far from informative, but it doesn't mean he doesn't actually know what's happening. In this regime the action happens out of our earshot. Nobody actually thinks the decision to fire Borges and hire Nussmeier happened in one day, do they? Of course not.
2. The actual activity on and off the field last season demonstrated rather clearly that the staff knew there were problems. Almost from the beginning of the season they were scrambling to adapt to on-field challenges.
As a result, we got tackle-over formations (a naked attempt to combine the efforts of Michigan's best linemen in one spot to get some sort of push) and Devin Funchess moved to wide receiver (which nobody ever mentions when they gripe about the staff not adapting to its personnel or adapting to what is going on, when clearly they did and it was a huge boon to the team) and new players and old ones at new positions and brand new gameplans every week.
So they obviously recognized the problems. They tried dozens of different tools to rectify them. None of them worked.
And to say that Borges did not adapt to what he saw on the field is to seriously misidentify the problem. Yes, occasionally he ran a play too frequently, but he was often left in that position not because he didn't see what was going on but because the failure of the offense to execute left him in a position where he had no good options.
It is that failure to execute the base stuff that is where Borges properly receives a large share of the blame, enough to result in his firing; there was simply too much going on, and the team never got good at basic stuff. He installed new stuff every week, but it was often rendered ineffective by the complete failure of the line in both running and pass protection. And I believe (and obviously Hoke did too, because Borges is gone) that Al's style of coaching and gameplanning was a significant reason why.
When Michigan ran too much against Penn State, people said, "Pass." But Gardner was a serious interception liability, especially early. When he was throwing picks, people were saying "run," but Michigan couldn't run. So people said "throw short," but Gardner would still throw picks short. So people said "throw long," but Gallon was doubled and nobody else could catch it.
It is quite possible that all of these problems can be traced, at least partly, to the coaching and teaching of Borges. Gardner did improve over the season, but he also became less confident, and I believe his early struggles may have been due to a combination of inadequate personal coaching and excess gameplanning that reduced the number of reps he got at basic stuff. Many currently believe that a large part of the line's struggles are due to lack of reps and an excessive number of schemes to learn. (I still worry that Funk is part of the issue myself, but we now have what we have and we'll see what happens). That all comes from how Borges organized his offense.
It's not that Borges was a bad chess player. It's that he was a good chess player, but that he was playing without any of the best pieces--because he himself had taken them off the board.
Anyway, I think I can safely say that Hoke understands there are issues. I question whether he truly understand how serious they were early enough, and I question whether or not he is the man to fix them, but he knows they are there.
|15 weeks 1 day ago||The philosophy is to be tough||
The philosophy is to be tough on defense and to have a tough, physical running game. This is Michigan. We play MANBALL. etc.
The reason you haven't seen it isn't because that hasn't been what he has wanted to produce; the reason you haven't seen it is because the staff has not executed the plan. The plan was to recruit and develop a powerful offensive line that could open parking lot-sized holes for running backs, whose yardage gain would provide a launch point for the rest of the offense to function.
Since Hoke has come aboard, Michigan has persisently tried to run the football from under center, and to run waggle play action from under center as well. Neither has worked at all. To keep thumping the ball into the line like that would be ludicrous--the few times they kept trying to do that (remember Penn State?) the effects were disastrous. So, by necessity, the gameplan had to be changed.
The problem isn't that there is no "guiding philosophy," it's that they have had to abandon it and use concepts ill-suited to what they want to be. It's there, in the gameplan and in the recruiting (the classes have been legitimately good, with OL recruits that are supposed to turn into bulldozers and big, powerful running backs and gun-armed quarterbacks that stay in the pocket) and in the staff he put together and in the way they coached the players. And when they got into the meat of the season and none of that stuff was close to working, they had to completely rewire it.
It's like blowing a motor on a Corvette and dropping in a newish Cobalt engine--you might get it to run, but it won't run well.
|15 weeks 1 day ago||The offensive line should||
The offensive line should have been identified as a serious program threat when it couldn't block effectively in 2012. For whatever reason, Hoke decided that the inability of a future NFL LT and a cadre of senior linemen to block effectively was an issue that could be solved with more time doing the same thing. Maybe he really thought (as many of us did) that they were just players who weren't great or had hit a ceiling, and that his star recruits would make things better.
But whatever the reason, we are about to enter a third season with a smoking crater of a position group that is vital to the stated philosophy of the head coach. The improvement had better come and it had better come fast, because right now the fan base is pretty down on the program and another season of underachievement and rivalry losses will result in open fan revolt.
The point is, Hoke took too long to see the problem. It was obvious to even casual fans last season; he is paid seven figures to see it earlier than that. I don't care if this is now a two year project--if this season is bad, Hoke is responsible and needs to be held accountable. And I'm not a hot-headed sort of guy about coaching changes, normally. I know I'm not unique in my feelings about this.
|15 weeks 2 days ago||An awesome weekend. I knew||
An awesome weekend. I knew early that the only way I'd be able to attend a Michigan Hockey game that season was if they made the final... And that's exactly what happened.
That team was a joy to follow. It was, you'll recall, also the year of Hagelin single-handedly linking WMU on senior night.
The finish was just a bit short (and I live in the worst place in the world to live after), but that can't besmirch what a great run it was.
|15 weeks 5 days ago||I agree with you completely||
I agree with you completely regarding his actual ability to play. I was referring to the payoff of his substantially elevated draft position, with its corresponding improvement in salary and perhaps playing time.
|15 weeks 5 days ago||It's a valid point IF the||
It's a valid point IF the skill improvement results in a jump in draft stock. Trey Burke "improved his skills" last year and it paid off.
But if it is stated for the purpose of becoming more skilled alone, it's a vacuous platitude made by someone who understandably wants one of their team's players to stay.
|15 weeks 5 days ago||Very good analysis. I think||
Very good analysis.
I think you could have spent even more time on the issue of draft stock dropping with an extra year of school. GRIII is of course a good example of this, but there are many examples in different sports where the issue is even more obvious.
Of course, the problem with GRIII is that he did not develop in the key ways he needed to this year. Nik, on the other hand, grew substantially on offense. If Nik can translate this solid growth into total domination next year, he could be a top ten pick that projects to be a starting 2 somewhere in the NBA. I think he would do that.
But there are no guarantees. If he were a player at, say, Stanford, I would advise him to go. As a Michigan fan, I want him to stay. If he did, Michigan opens up a Final Four favorite. But I doubt he will.
GRIII and McGary should probably come back, though with GRIII another year without development on either offense or defense will drop him to the back do the draft. He needs to improve either his driving or his shooting on offense (both, preferably, but he needs at least one skill to be usable in an NBA offense) and he absolutely must get stronger on defense.
If he believes that will happen, he should come back. If he thinks he has reached his plateau at Michigan, he needs to get out while he's draftable.
|15 weeks 5 days ago||I'm split on this. Obviously,||
I'm split on this. Obviously, a lot of this comes from the charm of reading game stories and analysis written in the unique European English style. One really does absorb the vocabulary after a while, and it's fun.
It can also be worth resisting, because I don't like to change words or pronunciation just because I'm dealing with a sport or concept centered in another part of the world.
Here's the thing, though--Soccer is a unique sport, and just like other unique sports (baseball, football, hockey, etc) it has its own vocabulary. We don't notice it much, but there are good examples of other areas that we kind of take this for granted. For example, if the Red Wings beat the Wild 5-3, do you (in an effort not to conform) say they scored five points? Are the Tigers up 7 points to 2 right now?
No. Those have unique words to describe what is essentially the same thing, the way the sport keeps score. The vocabulary is unique to the sport. And it can help describe things better than generic words in many cases. For example, football players are capable of having both "quickness" and "speed," and those are different things. "Pace," a soccer term you complain about, is not really the same thing as speed.
|15 weeks 5 days ago||You totally mis-read what I||
You totally mis-read what I wrote. I did not say or imply that no one here would pay attention; I said that the country could be ready to host with little advanced warning. "Zero notice." As in, FIFA could recognize that Qatar is a colossal mistake mere months before the event and the U.S. would have the facilities ready to do a great job hosting. The only real challenges would be acquiring good grass to lay over the fieldturf and the lodging challenges.
This is not totally unprecedented. The 1986 World Cup was moved to Mexico two years before it occurred because Colombia, the original host, was unable to pull it off. I'm not expecting that any of FIFA's top dogs would want to deal with the uncomfortable process of refunding the extensive web of bribes necessary to pull out of Qatar, but if they did the U.S. is a logical destination.
|15 weeks 5 days ago||This is, by far, the worst||
This is, by far, the worst league season Man U has experienced in 20 years. They still have quite a bit of talent, but as mentioned elsewhere in this thread they have depth issues and cashflow problems that cause quite a bit of tension amongst their faithful.
When Malcolm Glazer bought the club, there was a lot of anger from the fanbase. I thought then and still think now that a fair amount of it was just provincial anti-Americanism, but they did make one crucial argument that has been bourn out by the facts: Glazer financed the purchase by adding significant debt to the club, and as a consequence they are having trouble keeping up with the free-spending of foreign-owned oil baron clubs like City, Pool, and Chelsea. The debt is finally catching up to them.
|15 weeks 5 days ago||Their primary uniform is a||
Their primary uniform is a red jersey, white shorts, and black socks (white socks for Champions League matches). They will also wear alternate black shorts for certain games, usually when the home team wears white shorts themselves.
However, European clubs don't necessarily wear traditional road uniforms as we understand them. There is no need for them to have the same design, concept, or colors as the home uniform. The only real requirement is that it contrast with the home uniform. And so, while some teams occasionally have that (or at least wear a white alternate with basic team color piping), as often as not the road and alternate uniforms have no relationship to the home uniform whatsoever, save for the sponsor and the badge.
This leads to curious situations where Man U winds up wearing a blue road uniform that shares zero of the design elements of the home uni. Arsenal has a long tradition of contrasting its home (Red jersey, white sleeves, white shorts, white or red socks) outfit with a very Michigan-like yellow top, blue shorts blue socks option.
It is jarring to Americans who are used to home/away uniform systems that go together. But you get used to it. It's just a different paradigm.
|15 weeks 5 days ago||Good chance they'll wear it,||
Good chance they'll wear it, too. Pretty standard for Euro clubs to show off alternate uniforms whenever possible during exhibitions. Count on a non-home uni for one or both.
|15 weeks 5 days ago||The World Cup ship has||
The World Cup ship has sailed. It was kicked around for '94, and of course nothing came of it--there were plenty of acceptable facilities to use instead.
20 years later, many cities have replaced their NFL stadiums with sparkling new facilities that are, for the most part, wide enough to host Soccer. They have exceptional infrastructure. They have plenty of seats (World Cup Stadiums are supposed to seat 40,000). They are new and magnificent.
Michigan Stadium has been upgraded, but why would anyone even need to bother?
The plain fact is that our sports-mad nation could host a World Cup with almost zero notice. C'mon, the state of Texas has more appropriate (size, capacity) facilities than most European countries. Florida has six or seven. The question isn't "Where could we play?" It's "What new Stadium in a big cosmopolitan city do we leave out?"
|15 weeks 5 days ago||That's fun and all, but||
That's fun and all, but Real's main color is white. Trim varies (Blue on that logo, has also been purple, uniform trim also periodically black) but they wear all white in a sport where teams aren't bound to white on any uniform.
In response, their archrival Barcelona never wears white on any uniform. Ever.
They do rivalries right in Europe.
|15 weeks 5 days ago||It's a pity it's an August||
It's a pity it's an August exhibition. That, to me, is the only real negative. These are titanic sports franchises that feature (if they actually play) some astonishing athletes. Ronaldo is one of the two best players in the world right now in the midst of an individual rivalry with Lionel Messi that is as astounding as any in the history of sports.
It's a pity I don't live in town anymore, I'd be there. Tickets need to be a bit cheaper, though.
|16 weeks 2 hours ago||"How can a conference called||
"How can a conference called the 'Big Ten' have twelve teams?"
|16 weeks 10 hours ago||This is patently||
This is patently absurd.
Obviously, if my intent in the taking of my picture were to hide an embarrassing facial feature, I would have figured out a way to conceal my rapidly lengthening forehead.
|16 weeks 10 hours ago||Yes. Worse, they installed||
Worse, they installed new packages every week. Not just a counter play to existing action, but entirely new formations and base plays with counters. Plays with different spacing, different angles, different routes... all of it had to be learned week-to-week.
That it was difficult for the team to learn the new plays in 20 hours of practice while also refining their execution on the existing playbook is evident.
|16 weeks 10 hours ago||Well, one of us is about to||
Well, one of us is about to enter a life of luxury supported by a Kickstarter trust fund suggested by the other. The minute we hit the kickstart reach goal I'll gift CLord the toughness prize in perpetuity.
You can get a "Tough Guy Honorable Mention" certificate for a modest $50 contribution. "Grizzled Internet Cynic" certificates are a more generous $100.
|16 weeks 11 hours ago||Sounds good to me. I could||
Sounds good to me. I could use the help, I never seem to laugh at any of your jokes.
|16 weeks 11 hours ago||I think 10-12 is a very low||
I think 10-12 is a very low number, but this is quite true. Borges was a bit too smart for his own good--he developed a different play for every conceivable scenario. There is a good reason the offense often executed very poorly.
And we all pretty much knew this. We'll see how all of this translates into improvement up front. I hope it can't get worse.
|16 weeks 11 hours ago||I have the opposite view.||
I have the opposite view. Personal insults are cheap; the certain DC's statement just echoed the team's play-hard-on-the-edge attitude.
And it's not like our team, featuring Taylor Lewan, had the moral high ground. Unfortunately.
|16 weeks 11 hours ago||I don't know, I think this||
I don't know, I think this goes kind of below the belt. Imagine someone making fun of Urban's health issues, or alluding to the more scandalous rumors surrounding his Florida departure.
|16 weeks 11 hours ago||Seems accurate to me. The||
Seems accurate to me. The lack of success, the high expectations, the success of our bitter rivals? All of those contribute. A key issue here is lack of hope for the future; a lot of us seem to have real doubts about Hoke's ability to lead the team to the level of success we expect. That means that there's a decent chance he may need to be fired, and then it's back to square one with a hole at the coaching spot.
Let's be real: Michigan hasn't even made the B1G championship game, and the conference is historically bad. How can we not be depressed about this?
|16 weeks 2 days ago||Isn't this really the||
Isn't this really the competition for backup, assuming Magnuson heals normally?
|16 weeks 4 days ago||Look, I think it's hilarious||
Look, I think it's hilarious that he whiffed on so many predictions. Some of them, like the Long prediction, elicited guffaws when I read them.
But the "he got stuff wrong, therefore he and other analysts and all ESPN are idiots" bandwagon is silly. C'mon, this is the NCAA tournament, of course he got predictions wrong. The fact that he managed to fail at 10 of them is remarkable and humorous, but it's not like any one of those predictions was off-the-wall stupid.
Analysts are paid to make predictions, they make them, sometimes they work, sometimes they don't. If they say things that bear no resemblance to reality, sure, savage them--but if Michigan only barely escaped Tennessee and Kenpom gave them a narrow statistical edge, how stupid is he for predicting that they would actually win? How dumb is it to think that a Louisville team that had been rounding into its best form in much the same way it did last season when it won everything would beat a young Kentucky team?
He was wrong. He wasn't particularly stupid. Enjoy the fail, but don't pretend that somehow we know way better.
Also, those clamoring for ESPN to hire someone with a more numbers method of making predictions: They just spent a boatload of money on fivethirtyeight.com, which did make a series of stat-based NCAA tournament predictions that included some flops. And they also produce grantland.com, which employs some terrific sports analysts. If you don't like the analysts on SC (who are there because they can provide concise commentary in short blocks of time on television) then just turn it off and read.
|16 weeks 4 days ago||Yep, and I was thinking of||
Yep, and I was thinking of that game when I wrote this. My use of years and seasons made it unclear.
|16 weeks 5 days ago||Inbounding has been a serious||
Inbounding has been a serious problem since the B1G tournament, and with that out there we can assume teams will look to exploit this. With that in mind, I'm kind of glad we're not facing Louisville's ball denial press. Imagine facing 10-15 of those inbounds Sunday after conventional buckets.
So the end of the game was as ugly as it could possibly be... But it's a win and that's all that matters. You think UConn wants to give back their Kemba Walker title just because the championship game was uglier than sludge? No.
We survived. Morgan made one huge play (massive assist to Levert, whose steal made the legitimacy of the foul academic) and it was enough. Michigan moves on. What an incredible year, what an incredible run. From 1994 to 2012 the elite eight was something we watched good teams play on TV while we focused on hockey. Now it is something Michigan belongs in as much as any program in the nation.
|16 weeks 5 days ago||It would be nice to have||
It would be nice to have someone with more length on inbounds. Say, Mitch McGary.
There's still time.
|16 weeks 5 days ago||They don't have any illusions||
They don't have any illusions here. They know they're not ready to fight the SEC; they just want to compete in the conference occasionally. They're never even in the discussion. Near rivals Wisconsin and Iowa frequently are.
|16 weeks 5 days ago||You are correct. But have you||
You are correct. But have you ever driven between them in rush hour?
|16 weeks 6 days ago||If Arizona loses (it's a long||
If Arizona loses (it's a long way from certain here) that is a real blow, but otherwise I think the Pac 12 has overperformed in the tournament and there is little for them to hang their heads about. Remember, the B1G was clearly the best conference last year, but the Sweet 16 was rather rough on it.
|16 weeks 6 days ago||Arizona is going to kick||
Arizona is going to kick themself if they lose by 3 or less after that buzzer-almost-beater.
|16 weeks 6 days ago||I just downvoted this post||
I just downvoted this comment for including a paragraph that contains only one sentence but two semicolons.
Pretty sure I meant for that first one to be a full sentence break, but the road to perdition is paved with good intentions.
|16 weeks 6 days ago||Heh. Putting a practice||
Heh. Putting a practice facility there would be like Michigan putting its basketball practice facility in Dearborn.
|16 weeks 6 days ago||Why is Miggy any less subject||
Why is Miggy any less subject to questions of PEDs than Pujols? To my knowledge the only links ever made between Pujols and PEDs are speculative ones made by radio hosts disclaiming any inside knowledge.
They're both big and powerful. They have both been incredibly good. What makes one different than the other?
|16 weeks 6 days ago||You would think that a larger||
You would think that a larger sign of "caring about football" is that Minnesota just built a brand sparkling new outdoor stadium to play football in, but perhaps not.
Either way, this has been in the works for a while--practice facilities are a significant issue for Minnie, one that they have been working to raise fund to rectify for some time. I'm actually surprised football is coming first, since a lot of noise has been made about the basketball team's lack of a facility and the relative age of the two main game facilities.
Keep in mind that the University of Minnesota has serious space-crunch issues that most other schools do not; Michigan has a large athletic campus, and many other universities sit on large land-grand properties that have all the property they need to expand; Minnesota's key space is in central Minneapolis, and there just isn't the space.
Also, it sounds like they are building more than a fieldhouse--the football offices will be located there, which suggests that this also includes the rough equivalent to a Shembechler Hall on the premises. Thus some of the extra expense.
|16 weeks 6 days ago||I think it's too long. When||
I think it's too long. When the best you can hope for is, "Hopefully not as bad as Pujols or Howard," that's a problem.
We can hope that he will sustain his greatness for an unusually long time. There are some reasons to think he can do so. There are also a number of reasons to think that he will not, and that the contract will be an albatross within five years. It's not like Pujols wasn't also an unusually great, unusually multi-faceted hitter, and while there's no reason to think that last year's injury will recur, there's nothing to say that another won't take its place.
10 years is too long. No getting around it. There are, at least, a couple of mitigating factors:
1. Detroit is trying to win now. Not in ten years. If they win a championship, I don't care if Miggy is making $30 million in 2023 to hit .220 off the bench--it was worth it.
2. Miggy is currently a singularly great athlete in his sport. And keeping a guy like that in a non-destination city like Detroit is not a cinch. So, as long as he can be great for a few years, this is a needed deal.
3. Important: Dombrowski seems to be better than the average GM at working out issues like these. He somehow managed to turn the permanent albatross of Prince Fielder's contract into a serviceable second baseman--I have to think that, if he is still with the team, he can find a way to make the Tigers competitive in 2021 with a rapidly declining Miggy taking up too much payroll.
All that aside, it's too long. The track record of contracts given to players like this is almost entirely bad.
|16 weeks 6 days ago||Maybe you are, but it's a||
Maybe you are, but it's a dead certainty that PEDs are still a major issue in Baseball and in other sports. Testing is good, but most sports test in ways that can be worked around without too much issue. Lance Armstrong, of course, never failed a test, but with some effort he (and virtually all of his competition) juiced to the gills and dodged the tests with impunity.
It's pretty simple: If there is a benefit to juicing, and an accessible way to avoid being caught, people will do it. And some of those people will rise to the top of the sport. Whatever sport it is.
|16 weeks 6 days ago||The Fab Five stain will never||
The Fab Five stain will never go away, but Fisher also produced one of the great moments in MIchigan sports history.
It is sad that he is so little thought of now; perhaps other are like me, latently appreciating him without thinking about it much. And perhaps there can be some situation where he coaches the visiting team at Chrisler, or receives some small honor, and receives a loud ovation, and we can remember him for the worthwhile things he added as coach here.
|16 weeks 6 days ago||I can't believe Creighton||
I can't believe Creighton couldn't get open shots against this Baylor team. Wisconsin is passing up open shots because they know they can get even better ones.
Not that I think Creighton should be some dominant power, but this is ridiculous.
|16 weeks 6 days ago||It might be too late for||
It might be too late for that. My major issue with this is the "unintended consequences" problem. I have no issue with athletes trying to get more leverage in an environment where Billions are exchanged on the backs of their work. However, things have begun to move that could inadvertently rewrite the landscape of college sports in ways that nobody had in mind.
Take the EA NCAA football game, for example. When conferences began dropping association with the game, I suggested that the end result may be that the game would go away. People thought I was being ridiculous, and I even backtracked a bit... But the game is indeed gone. That is not what anyone, including the OBannon plaintiffs, we're aiming for. But that's what happened.
As this goes forward, other stakeholders will crop up. Mike Golic was just discussing this morning that if a stipend is offered to football players, it had better be offered to his daughter who is a college swimmer. Title IX gets involved. Or perhaps major college football is re-organized into some kind of for-profit pro league that de-couples it from larger athletic departments, and suddenly other sports that loss the funding from the football profits go away.
Who knows? That's what makes me uneasy. And that's why I believe the NCAA schools have dropped the ball in getting ahead of this. Like Bud Selig sitting on the steroids issue until it was too late and the game's greatest records were rendered meaningless, the NCAA schools (because it is the schools, not the NCAA bureaucrats, who hold the real power) MAY have missed their chance to deal with this before it takes them places that no one wants to go.
|16 weeks 6 days ago||I'm agnostic about the whole||
I'm agnostic about the whole of what's going on, but I see no reason that scholarships can't continue to be a non-taxable "grant" while the recipients are afforded the protection of "employees." This is a very unique arrangement, and it seems possible for laws to be developed to reflect that.
The situation of certain clergy members could be considered analogous. I draw a conventional salary and pay conventional taxes, but certain religions have arrangements with their clergy members that involve concepts like vows of poverty that do funny things to income and taxes. In some circumstances such people can still be considered employees that are afforded certain protections (for example, worker's compensation) while not technically making any income.
I don't see why this can't be considered a similarly unique situation.
|17 weeks 12 hours ago||Part of the reason for my||
Part of the reason for my cynicism is that I don't think a 95% sure thing is enough incentive to alter the conversion calculus much. In my opinion, the calculus will only really change if and when the statistical value for a 2-point conversion (at the rough 50% conversion rare! about a point a try) is significantly better than the value of a one-point try (still close to 1 at 37 yards).
But perhaps that's ok. Do we really want the 2-point conversion to be the dominant play? I like the idea of "more," not sure I want it to always be the advisable choice.
|17 weeks 12 hours ago||It seems to me that most||
It seems to me that most Michigan a hockey fans are very, very reluctant to single out individual players for significant criticism. Center Ice, for example, would basically reprint the same tweet after every loss, describing the "same problems they've had all year" while studiously avoiding naming any actual names regarding who was responsible for those issues. I know I hate the idea of railing on guys myself.
I don't think any player has challenged that general preference more than Guptill.
I don't know why it was. Lacking any information on his personal life, I would speculate that he is just a brilliantly talented player who is burned out on the work it takes to play well, and continues because that's all he knows. But I'm just guessing.
I wish him well. I hope he finds a context in which to thrive. But he was a Hobey-level talent with no fire, and his departure is neither a surprise nor a tragedy for the program.
|17 weeks 13 hours ago||A 37-yard attempt is still a||
A 37-yard attempt is still a gimme. Decent FG kickers should make at least 95% of those, 90% in the worst case.
|17 weeks 13 hours ago||This should have been more||
This should have been more disappointing.
Word has just come in that Guptill has also signed, perhaps the biggest combination of least shocking and least crushing ever. I had higher hopes for PdG, but he never truly realized the potential that he flashed as a freshman and in the end he finishes as a decent, non-descript winger in the Michigan pantheon.
Should have been. Wasn't.
|17 weeks 3 days ago||Louisville vs Kentucky is||
Louisville vs Kentucky is going to be monstrous. The national story of the week, deservedly. Easy call to make it the late game.
|17 weeks 4 days ago||I liked that, too, but||
I liked that, too, but particularly at the Sweet Sixteen level there is a lot of analysis of conference strength based on teams that make it.
|17 weeks 4 days ago||Conference pride. I actually||
Conference pride. I actually care about it.
Especially when Tennessee fans start chanting "S! E! C!"
|17 weeks 4 days ago||Do you feel that way about||
Do you feel that way about our loss to the Bobcats two years ago? Because I don't.
|17 weeks 4 days ago||Knockout basketball really is||
Knockout basketball really is a lot of fun.
|17 weeks 4 days ago||That may be a view from the||
That may be a view from the moon... But it's also an incredible value. Just to be there.
|17 weeks 4 days ago||Yeah, sorta... But Texas||
Yeah, sorta... But Texas isn't a nobody, and with how other favorites have fared in wins and losses, any victory is good. That Michigan looked mostly great is a bonus.
|17 weeks 4 days ago||Neither will be easy, but||
Neither will be easy, but there's no question that things have broken our way so far; I came in to the tourney thinking an Elite Eight appearance would make this an unquestionably successful and satisfying season. That way is now very open... And possibly much more.
|17 weeks 4 days ago||When I was a teen I took||
When I was a teen I took Michigan trips to the Sweet Sixteen for granted.
No more. They've earned the road they've gotten to take and they deserve this, but it's still awesome.
|17 weeks 6 days ago||Look, if someone is||
Look, if someone is out-of-control drunk, there may or may not be provocative stimuli, but the drunkard is still responsible for putting him in that situation. Same deal as in a sexual assault--it doesn't matter how the victim was dressed or where they were.
The OSU fans were probably being obnoxious jerks, trying to push him. So what? Walk away.
|17 weeks 6 days ago||That's you being biased. It's||
That's you being biased. It's not like we're talking about OSU-partisan law enforcement here.
|18 weeks 2 days ago||So what? Is MSU so completely||
So what? Is MSU so completely in the heads of Michigan fans that every slightly annoying thing they say is anger material?
Suppose Michigan beats Sparty in football and a basketball player tweets about how that's the way the rivalry goes when Michigan is at full strength. Wouldn't you think it ridiculous of RCMB types to make it a big deal?
|18 weeks 4 days ago||I'm attempting to be polite.||
I'm attempting to be polite. Because you look incredibly thick-headed in this thread.
|18 weeks 4 days ago||Ooh, Wikipedia. What an||
Ooh, Wikipedia. What an authority.
|18 weeks 4 days ago||It's one thing to be||
It's one thing to be completely wrong, as you are. It's another to show so mug contempt toward those who aren't wrong... And without producing any evidence in your favor.
Might want to apologize and moderate the tone slightly. Just a suggestion.
|18 weeks 4 days ago||Unfortunately, you are||
Unfortunately, you are producing Aaron Craft-like results in this thread.
|19 weeks 1 day ago||That may well be. But will||
That may well be. But will the Bucks risk their #1 overall pick on the possibility that he won't get hurt frequently when guys like Wiggins and Parker are sitting there?
|19 weeks 2 days ago||He had a broken wrist, but I||
He had a broken wrist, but I don't recall him dealing with what became that massive knee problem at all.
He was so good, too. You know how Roy Hibbert is one if the best bigs in the NBA? Oden totally owned him in the tournament, like a father schooling a son. Really awful how things have turned out, even if he is a buckeye.
GMs can still be stupid, but there are such good alternate options and the game is changing in significant ways and a classic, high-level big is no longer the centerpiece of any title-contending franchise. At best they are guys like Hibbert, valuable second pieces; but this is a draft with a bunch of guys who could be Paul George, and they're healthier.