The night game is a possibility in AA in 2017 and EL in 2018. But in 2019, MSU is a November game at the Big house - so maybe in 2017 it will be a one-time deal???
Why be subtle? This whole subject is so annoying. All this rampant cheating is such an "open secret", but only to folks in the know who then keep their mouths shut. So you claim to know at least some of what's going on. Brian knows of at least some of what's going on. We get vague snippets of stories from the JUBs, Sam Webbs, and countless others connected to the players or recruiting world. This article goes so far as to say
"I do think that everyone would be better off if the system was exposed for what it is and we could all be adults about it"
Ok, so who do we propose should expose it?
It's annoying hearing the connected insiders claim this should be discussed, when they are the ones most able to bring it into the open.
Couldn't agree more. I always hear sideways comments that the southern schools are paying people. I've seen the anonymous "Bagmen" articles in magazines every few years. I've read Bacon's books where UM players talk/hint at southern recruiting shenanigans. Yet, nothing concrete ever comes out. Seems like someone who turned down those types of benefits would talk about it, eventually. Seems like a former player would get disgruntled for whatever reason and spill the beans - but it never happens.
If it is truly so rampant (either in the south or everywhere) why aren't there more detailed examples and reports? Why do people with any level of insider connections (Brian, Sam, JUB, etc.) always hint at it but never say anything definitive about it? It's like the whole thing is very common knowledge among the Illuminati, but all of us unconnected masses are left in the dark to speculate.
I'd like to see this help publicly expose some of the shady practices that teams, concerts, etc. use. I was under the impression that existing MSU season ticket holders were able to renew (with the UM game) but not purchase additional UM tickets. New season ticket holders have not been processed, individual games have not gone on sale, so where did all the extra UM tickets go? Hollis said they were held back for recruiting and university use, or something like that.
Could the ticket office be working with their ticket partner Stubhub, to release tickets there, where the prices will certainly be much higher than they can sell them directly?
This was the best way for someone who wasn't a big time donor to get tickets for big games at face value - I used it pretty much every year to get an extra pair of MSU/OSU/ND tickets even though they weren't great seats. Calling Michigan Athletics will not get you a ticket to one fo those games, at least not without a package deal.
On the same note, I am sure they had a hard time selling those FCS and MAC tickets. Probably bettter off giving the seats back to the AD and selling them as season tickets.
Why the Oregon love in the middle of Minnesota? And anyone surprised the Nebraska and Wisconsin are about the most consistently dominant teams, in their states?
Ok, can someone really explain the Miles thing to me? As Bacon emphatically repeated tonight, quoting quotes in his own books, Miles "would never say no to Michigan."
So what REALLY happened with the Herbstreit/Martin/Sailboat/SEC champ. game? Seems like someone who would never say no to Michigan wouldn't let some crossed up cell phone lines get in the way of taking the job.
Maybe I'm just obtuse, but I have never exactly understood what really went down - and I read the books.
Didn't realize it the first time around, but I am definitely a member of the Bo Clan as described here (and in the past). I thought I was more progressive than that.
So what's the consensus here? Do you think we have a bag man network in Ann Arbor?
On one hand, I say no because I hope we don't and I haven't really seen evidence of such. On the other, couldn't I just be naive with my head in the sand thinking that way?
This reminds me that recruiting, although important, is far from the be all, end all. Just look at QBs, for example - I am amazed how many top 10 high school QBs I have never heard of or did nothing of significance in college. What's the "success" rate of a top 10 QB, something like 25%? I feel like it should be higher, but this suggests otherwise.
You are probably right. But remember, even if this was a playoff year, Sparty probably would have been on the outside looking in. I think Stanford would have gotten that 4th spot over them.
Of course the bowls this year showed that to be a flawed idea, but if the 4 team playoff was this year, I see it going like the pre-bowl BCS rankings: FSU, Aub., Bama and Stanford.
Just another argument to prove that we still don't have the right system.
It's fine, bring your kid. My baby has been to the Big House, Yost and Crisler this year. My advice. (for yost and crisler):
1. You don't absolutely need a ticket.. If you have a whole family, just stack all your tickets together, hand them to the usher or fan them out to have them scan successively. Let your whole family through. Never tried that for football though.
2. Brought a backpack sized diaper bag, with bottles. No problem, can't remember if they searched it or not.
3. We have a baby bjorn thing - allowed in no problem.
4. Prepare to walk the concourse as needed.
5. It's really not that loud of a place. The crowd won't be nuts and there are no real loud intros or pyrotechnics or anything.
As long as you aren't planning on giving 100% focus to a basketball game for 40 minutes, and have no expectations of what you will actually see, it will be fun. Take some pictures. You'll remember the family event far longer than you will remember anything about the 2013 Holy Cross game (if you were to go without the kids)
Yes, unmet expectations suck. But I would rather fall short of a high standard than be so terrible as to not merit consideration to that standard.
And, Itoo have learned with age to invest far less emotional currency in the outcomes of sporting events - especially when I have risked no real currency on them.
Although Hockey was good, football was historically awful and basketball was regular awful. 2013 was tough in relation to our expectations, but miles ahead of 2008 in raw performance.
Would we be happy to pay $7M/year for a coach that has the track record Saban does? I know we probably don't want Saban himself, but some less-annoying version of him that still wins lots of football games?
BGSU QB just got called for intentional grounding, he was getting pulled down by the defender and didn't get the ball back to the LOS. So, any time that a QB fumble is called an incomplete pass because his arm was going forward, couldn't intentional grounding be considered?
I'm not really a fashion guy, but do we now wear ties with button up long sleeve polos? What's up with that?
Then again, coming from a guy that thinks the mobster look shows you have won at life, coupled with that suit he wore on draft day, maybe that's expected.
I love the Fab 5 though, Jalen most of all. I can't talk about clothes anymore.
I know that's the stated policy, but I'm not sure I know exactly what season ticket holders pay per game, and I'm a long time season ticket holder. There is a face value price listed on all the tickets ($75 or $95 for this past year, I believe). But, when I buy my tickets in April I pay something less than the sum of the face values. But, I also pay a PSD - a PSD that is not consistent throughout the stadium (and aren't some people still grandfathered in at $0 PSD in the endzones?).
So what is the minimum price with dynamic pricing - the listed face value or something else?
I certainly hope that this entire press conference was just coach speak, and Hoke is singing a very different tune as soon as the reporters leave the building.
As evidenced by this thread, there are plenty of MSU students that are UM sports fans. I have personally seen and met plenty of them and appreciate that their heart is at least in the right place
But, I have yet to find a single UM student/alum that is a Sparty fan. Thankfully, I don't think they exist.
Anyone else remember in the past when our AD said they didn't want home-and-homes with the SEC because we had too many bowl tie ins with them? Things have changed a lot since then.
I always thought the best use of my seat cushion was to clearly identify where MY seat was. It was a good deterrent to the butt creep that occurs in an overly packed row of fans.
I don't know of anyone who has ever been able to tell me what a poll really is. Is it:
1. A ranking of the best teams, in your opinion, where #1 should usually beat #2, #2 should usually beat #3, etc. if they were to play tomorrow.
2. A ranking of what teams have accomplished to date (schedule comes into play)
3.. A prediction of what the final standings/polls will be (schedule comes into play)
I think we all want it to be #1, but the long-standing model where we count losses, and if you lose you drop (even if you lose to a team ranked higher than you) blows that up. So, #2 and #3 are factors and schedule matters. QED.
But really, who cares in April and it just gives us something to blabber about.
My only issue is that calling him an "active" NBA player may be a bit of a stretch at this point. As of yesterday, there was a good chance his NBA career was over.
Not sure if today's news changes those chances in either direction.
I'm really not "race card" guy, and racial issues are not a significant portion of my daily thoughts, but I do get annoyed that white basketball players are only compared to, or remind people of, other white players. Just like a black QB can only remind you of another black QB. There are 2 kinds of NFL slot receivers: white ones to remind us of Wes Welker or Ed McCaffrey, and everyone else.
Ok, no more rant, but thanks for reasonably comparing McGary to someone without considering skin color.
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The night game is a possibility in AA in 2017 and EL in 2018. But in 2019, MSU is a November game at the Big house - so maybe in 2017 it will be a one-time deal???
Why be subtle? This whole subject is so annoying. All this rampant cheating is such an "open secret", but only to folks in the know who then keep their mouths shut. So you claim to know at least some of what's going on. Brian knows of at least some of what's going on. We get vague snippets of stories from the JUBs, Sam Webbs, and countless others connected to the players or recruiting world. This article goes so far as to say
"I do think that everyone would be better off if the system was exposed for what it is and we could all be adults about it"
Ok, so who do we propose should expose it?
It's annoying hearing the connected insiders claim this should be discussed, when they are the ones most able to bring it into the open.
Couldn't agree more. I always hear sideways comments that the southern schools are paying people. I've seen the anonymous "Bagmen" articles in magazines every few years. I've read Bacon's books where UM players talk/hint at southern recruiting shenanigans. Yet, nothing concrete ever comes out. Seems like someone who turned down those types of benefits would talk about it, eventually. Seems like a former player would get disgruntled for whatever reason and spill the beans - but it never happens.
If it is truly so rampant (either in the south or everywhere) why aren't there more detailed examples and reports? Why do people with any level of insider connections (Brian, Sam, JUB, etc.) always hint at it but never say anything definitive about it? It's like the whole thing is very common knowledge among the Illuminati, but all of us unconnected masses are left in the dark to speculate.
I'd like to see this help publicly expose some of the shady practices that teams, concerts, etc. use. I was under the impression that existing MSU season ticket holders were able to renew (with the UM game) but not purchase additional UM tickets. New season ticket holders have not been processed, individual games have not gone on sale, so where did all the extra UM tickets go? Hollis said they were held back for recruiting and university use, or something like that.
Could the ticket office be working with their ticket partner Stubhub, to release tickets there, where the prices will certainly be much higher than they can sell them directly?
This was the best way for someone who wasn't a big time donor to get tickets for big games at face value - I used it pretty much every year to get an extra pair of MSU/OSU/ND tickets even though they weren't great seats. Calling Michigan Athletics will not get you a ticket to one fo those games, at least not without a package deal.
On the same note, I am sure they had a hard time selling those FCS and MAC tickets. Probably bettter off giving the seats back to the AD and selling them as season tickets.
It never did get you away tickets, though.
That's negative TEN MILLION points.
Why has nobody suggested this one yet?
A dollar says Jaraymond Hall.
Why the Oregon love in the middle of Minnesota? And anyone surprised the Nebraska and Wisconsin are about the most consistently dominant teams, in their states?
Harbaugh hoping to snag a foul ball at the A's game?
This website had good historical info on this, but seems to be all jacked up now. Anyone know what happened?
Ok, can someone really explain the Miles thing to me? As Bacon emphatically repeated tonight, quoting quotes in his own books, Miles "would never say no to Michigan."
So what REALLY happened with the Herbstreit/Martin/Sailboat/SEC champ. game? Seems like someone who would never say no to Michigan wouldn't let some crossed up cell phone lines get in the way of taking the job.
Maybe I'm just obtuse, but I have never exactly understood what really went down - and I read the books.
I have heard that we have no more stringent standards for athletes than the NCAA minimums, so we are just like everyone else.
I have also heard that we have "higher" standards, whatever that means.
I have no idea what the truth is, and have wondered the same thing. Someone should look into this for us.
Seems certain we have higher standards than most for JuCo and transfers, but it's unclear when it comes to initial admissions.
Come on, that's Crisler's seat. Yost dug the whole, so he gets most of the seats. Crisler has the ONE.
Didn't realize it the first time around, but I am definitely a member of the Bo Clan as described here (and in the past). I thought I was more progressive than that.
Go Blue.
Enough said. Go Blue. Go Ducks. Go Hokies.
So what's the consensus here? Do you think we have a bag man network in Ann Arbor?
On one hand, I say no because I hope we don't and I haven't really seen evidence of such. On the other, couldn't I just be naive with my head in the sand thinking that way?
Come on, it's more than "marginal" superiority, isn't it?
This reminds me that recruiting, although important, is far from the be all, end all. Just look at QBs, for example - I am amazed how many top 10 high school QBs I have never heard of or did nothing of significance in college. What's the "success" rate of a top 10 QB, something like 25%? I feel like it should be higher, but this suggests otherwise.
You are probably right. But remember, even if this was a playoff year, Sparty probably would have been on the outside looking in. I think Stanford would have gotten that 4th spot over them.
Of course the bowls this year showed that to be a flawed idea, but if the 4 team playoff was this year, I see it going like the pre-bowl BCS rankings: FSU, Aub., Bama and Stanford.
Just another argument to prove that we still don't have the right system.
It is already 2014 in some parts of the world. The clock is striking midnight somewhere every 60 minutes. If you aren't drunk yet, you're slacking!
Sadly, I don't think you are going out on a limb with that.
I hope we are both wrong though.
It's fine, bring your kid. My baby has been to the Big House, Yost and Crisler this year. My advice. (for yost and crisler):
1. You don't absolutely need a ticket.. If you have a whole family, just stack all your tickets together, hand them to the usher or fan them out to have them scan successively. Let your whole family through. Never tried that for football though.
2. Brought a backpack sized diaper bag, with bottles. No problem, can't remember if they searched it or not.
3. We have a baby bjorn thing - allowed in no problem.
4. Prepare to walk the concourse as needed.
5. It's really not that loud of a place. The crowd won't be nuts and there are no real loud intros or pyrotechnics or anything.
As long as you aren't planning on giving 100% focus to a basketball game for 40 minutes, and have no expectations of what you will actually see, it will be fun. Take some pictures. You'll remember the family event far longer than you will remember anything about the 2013 Holy Cross game (if you were to go without the kids)
Awesome. I love this.
Kelly'd
Yes, unmet expectations suck. But I would rather fall short of a high standard than be so terrible as to not merit consideration to that standard.
And, Itoo have learned with age to invest far less emotional currency in the outcomes of sporting events - especially when I have risked no real currency on them.
Although Hockey was good, football was historically awful and basketball was regular awful. 2013 was tough in relation to our expectations, but miles ahead of 2008 in raw performance.
Several of those are graduate transfers, so it's not necessarily a full-on dumpster fire over there.
But, they will be left with just 2 scholarship QBs, something we know too much about, unfortunately.
Would we be happy to pay $7M/year for a coach that has the track record Saban does? I know we probably don't want Saban himself, but some less-annoying version of him that still wins lots of football games?
I say definitively yes.
I'm so confused....
Gone
With just 3 buttons?
I'm not really a fashion guy, but do we now wear ties with button up long sleeve polos? What's up with that?
Then again, coming from a guy that thinks the mobster look shows you have won at life, coupled with that suit he wore on draft day, maybe that's expected.
I love the Fab 5 though, Jalen most of all. I can't talk about clothes anymore.
I know that's the stated policy, but I'm not sure I know exactly what season ticket holders pay per game, and I'm a long time season ticket holder. There is a face value price listed on all the tickets ($75 or $95 for this past year, I believe). But, when I buy my tickets in April I pay something less than the sum of the face values. But, I also pay a PSD - a PSD that is not consistent throughout the stadium (and aren't some people still grandfathered in at $0 PSD in the endzones?).
So what is the minimum price with dynamic pricing - the listed face value or something else?
I certainly hope that this entire press conference was just coach speak, and Hoke is singing a very different tune as soon as the reporters leave the building.
As evidenced by this thread, there are plenty of MSU students that are UM sports fans. I have personally seen and met plenty of them and appreciate that their heart is at least in the right place
But, I have yet to find a single UM student/alum that is a Sparty fan. Thankfully, I don't think they exist.
Is the best option, in my opinion.
Anyone else remember in the past when our AD said they didn't want home-and-homes with the SEC because we had too many bowl tie ins with them? Things have changed a lot since then.
Go Bluh? Go Blech?
I always thought the best use of my seat cushion was to clearly identify where MY seat was. It was a good deterrent to the butt creep that occurs in an overly packed row of fans.
This sucks.
Princeton should talk to a big time athletic department (ours included). Seems like athletics has no problems finding new things to spend money on.
He's talking about it right now on wtka
I don't know of anyone who has ever been able to tell me what a poll really is. Is it:
1. A ranking of the best teams, in your opinion, where #1 should usually beat #2, #2 should usually beat #3, etc. if they were to play tomorrow.
2. A ranking of what teams have accomplished to date (schedule comes into play)
3.. A prediction of what the final standings/polls will be (schedule comes into play)
I think we all want it to be #1, but the long-standing model where we count losses, and if you lose you drop (even if you lose to a team ranked higher than you) blows that up. So, #2 and #3 are factors and schedule matters. QED.
But really, who cares in April and it just gives us something to blabber about.
My only issue is that calling him an "active" NBA player may be a bit of a stretch at this point. As of yesterday, there was a good chance his NBA career was over.
Not sure if today's news changes those chances in either direction.
Do you feel guilty being a keynote speaker for anything?
I'm really not "race card" guy, and racial issues are not a significant portion of my daily thoughts, but I do get annoyed that white basketball players are only compared to, or remind people of, other white players. Just like a black QB can only remind you of another black QB. There are 2 kinds of NFL slot receivers: white ones to remind us of Wes Welker or Ed McCaffrey, and everyone else.
Ok, no more rant, but thanks for reasonably comparing McGary to someone without considering skin color.