Tennessee is not recruiting well just because they got 18 dudes
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|40 min 25 sec ago||The obvious miss here is Raekwon McMillon||
Easily the top ILB in the B1G, 1st round NFL potential, and the next best is... Anthony Walker, Riley Bullough, Josey Jewell? Yeah, McMillon should have been off the board by now...
|5 hours 20 min ago||This seems obligatory||
As does this
|5 hours 29 min ago||It's essentially an OLB position||
I actually like OSU's nomenclature for it, "Walk-Out LB", because it's a guy that plays at the LB level but isn't a box player.
I still think Peppers should be watching tape of Earl Thomas and aiming for that in the NFL. But we'll see how this year turns out. He could end up at a LB position.
|2 days 22 hours ago||He's a swing guy||
He could play either. He can likely get by at OT, he's long enough and moves decently (losing bad weight may help him move better), he just looks like he'd be more natural inside. Michigan is still in on other OT prospects as well, but him ending up there wouldn't be an awful situation, he's similar to a lot of college OTs like Uluzio.
|2 days 22 hours ago||Do realize OSU is pulling together a historically great class?||
Up there with any Bama or USC class. I love Harbaugh too and have high expectations for the program, but to just expect Michigan to recruit at that level at this point is completely unrealistic.
|2 days 22 hours ago||This commitment doesn't preclude Michigan||
From landing other talented OL. Michigan needs 5 or 6 OL in this class, pulling 3 other high rates OL is likely a realistic stance. This is a kid, if the staff likes, can offer now and accept his commitment now and almost certainly have room for other top OL recruits that want to come on board, or they can slow play him, possibly lose him, and then fill his spot with a guy they aren't as high on when we don't just pull in all top OL targets (which is realistic to expect).
|2 days 22 hours ago||Davis is a great player||
And OSU has been bringing in great players for years. MSU, who many mock around here for their recruiting, is 2-2 vs OSU in the last 4 years. Recruiting matters. Recruiting rankings are a nice general rule of thumb for how recruiting is going. It isn't and end all be all and isn't pre destiny for success or lack there of. Michigan is still getting plenty of talent, and personally I think Steuber is a nice pick up for Michigan based on what I've seen. Would I love Davis? Absolutely. But Michigan can win with this kid.
|2 days 22 hours ago||Think he can play RT but most likely an OG||
Not sure he will stick at OT. Currently plays too high at times and kind of falls over defenders, though going against guys much shorter than him it's to be expected a bit. The most impressive part of his game is his first step burst and his ability to move in space. I want that guy pulling or down blocking into the 2nd level. Not a wow pick up, but as a sort of swing OL that I think has some real promise as an interior player, I actually really like this pick up.
|6 days 5 hours ago||Conklin had a good game vs Bama||
Kieler struggle terribly. Not sure if he was still injured or not, but he had a poor game. But they bring back a solid core, they just lack the depth they had in the past. Finley, Allen, McGowan, Clemons, and Kieler is at worst an average starting 5. Depth is a concern though.
|6 days 5 hours ago||Clemons is a pretty big guy to bring back||
At worst, he is their 6th OL (MSU typically rotates 7 or 8 OL every game). He was their 7th guy last year and played quite a bit. If I had to guess, he starts at RG.
This also really helps cover their depth. Finley is coming back from injury, and at worst they can slide Keiler over to LT and Muchado in at RT and still have what amounts to a starting OL. Clemons could also potentially play DT for MSU, where they currently have depth issues, but it's a bit like what Michigan plans for Onwenu: move him to DL to cover DL depth issues and then OL has depth issues.
|1 week 2 days ago||Think he can fit in either DT position||
Needs more work to play NT but that may be his best spot eventually (and will be in my opinion). He Has the frame to carry 310-325 and still move well and be a Mike Martin style NT.
|1 week 4 days ago||There is smoking weed (which a lot of athletes do everywhere)||
And then there is smoking weed to the point that it becomes a real problem. Look, it isn't exactly extremely difficult to pass these drug tests at the college level, if people are failing them or having trouble regularly with it to the point that you are wasting scholarships on someone that can't get their shit straight, then it's a problem. And it's a problem not worth having on the team.
|1 week 5 days ago||Looks like OSU fans are actually also tiring of Smith||
According to many of these comments
|1 week 5 days ago||I think both fell victim of over-correcting needs||
When Rich Rod came in, the defense was still good, and still had some depth, but the offense certainly lacked depth, even more so for Rich Rod's offense (which was nominally 3 or 4 WRs all the time). He needed an influx of offensive players before balancing it out.
Hoke was the opposite. He had offensive players. He needed some TEs, a FB, and eventually would need to address the huge gap at OL, but most of the depth issues on defense were because Rich Rod hadn't swung back to balanced recruiting yet and didn't develop the defensive talent to where it needed to be.
Hoke's system at least was much more like Harbaugh's, so personnel wise, there wasn't a major correction needed. The defensive talent was likely above the offensive talent, but a lot of the offensive talent was also younger (because Hoke's first couple years addressed the defensive needs). So really, by the fact of Rich Rod and Hoke building on opposite sides and correcting for depth weaknesses, it kind of left Harbaugh with a decently balanced roster outside of the void that was the Hoke-Harbaugh transition class, which won't lead to roster imbalance, but will lead to OL/DL depth concerns pretty soon.
|1 week 5 days ago||I agree to an extent||
But despite struggling in his second to last year, look at the talent that still committed to Hoke in his final year: George Campbell (5 star), Damien Harris (5 star), Michael Weber (4 star), Darian Roseboro (4 star), Shaun Crawford (4 star), Garrett Taylor (4 star), Darrin Kirkland (4 star).
The guy could recruit because he knew how to build relationships. When it became clear that Hoke was likely gone (in Harris's case it was oddly enough Borges), they left the class. Guy had a different strategy and it worked for him on the recruiting front, and that was only a couple years ago.
|1 week 5 days ago||Hoke signed 15 OL and 16 DL||
So I'm guessing they are designating by which OL position and DL position they actually played (akin to Hoke recruited __ DBs rather than designating CBs and Safeties).
What's killed OL/DL depth for Michigan was that they had a wave of recruits, planned on addressing other needs and getting back to OL/DL recruiting in '15, but by the time '15 came around, the success wasn't there, and that resulted in a transition class with a lot of misses. Also, some late misses on the DL didn't help (and a certain flip on the OL at the end of last year).
|1 week 5 days ago||A big part of this is recruiting style and prestige||
Carr aside (he only had a single year in this), Rich Rod developed relationships in Florida from his time at WVU, Tulane, and Clemson, which all recruited Florida fairly regularly. Particularly WVU, who was in the Big East for much of Rich Rod's tenure. That allowed him to target specific kinds of players from down there. Other than that, he mostly stuck with the traditional recruiting foot print of Michigan and Ohio.
Hoke came in, and part of his objective was reestablishing Ohio and Michigan as the footprint for Michigan football. Of course, he himself had a lot of good connections in the area, and among local coaches, had great relationships. Hoke also recruited heavily based on relationships. Yes, he sold the Michigan brand as well, but it was almost universally recognized that the way he recruited was almost familial. This tends to reduce the footprint a bit, because it's more about establishing and building relationships. So it was largely Michigan, Ohio, Maryland-DC-Virginia, and starting in NJ.
Then there is Harbaugh. Harbaugh brought in a national staff. He had ties to California. He created ties to Florida and NJ. And he himself was a big time name, recently coming off a lot of success in the NFL. His recruiting strategy was allowed to be drastically different. I don't care how many satellite camps and other things Rich Rod or Hoke did, they weren't going to establish a recruiting base similar to Harbaugh's.
I think all strategies have their positives and negatives. Rich Rod established a footprint in an area of lots of talent and established an ability to get a lot out of guys that weren't covetted elsewhere (more when he was at WVU, but still). Hoke based his on building a family, and because of that got guys to commit and stay committed throughout their careers to Michigan; and despite the final year losing a bunch of talent by the time Hoke was fired, it should be noted it also got a lot of talent to initially commit, indicating that the recruiting strategy had more ability to work despite success or lack there of. Harbaugh's recruiting strategy is great, as long as he keeps on winning. I have little doubt he will. But because it isn't as personal as Hoke's strategy, and because his California ties are from longer ago, I think there is much more risk/reward involved. That's similar to Meyer in many ways; though Meyer has the added advantage of being the only major player in a state that produces top flight talent.
As long as Michigan brings in guys and coaches them up while they are here and they can keep winning, I don't really care where they come from. Coming more locally is great, it's always fun to see guys from Michigan and Ohio do well and have that engrained emotion about rivalries and things like that, but winning is what matters in the end.
|2 weeks 4 days ago||To hell with Notre Dame and all||
But I'd rather Michigan and Notre Dame be playing, so to hell with them when we play them.
|2 weeks 5 days ago||Personally, I would redshirt him||
And immediately start working on getting his weight up. Like Brian, I agree that he is at least a SDE. But I think he has the frame to be more than an undersized SDE if he gets headed that direction now instead of waiting until he's an upper-classmen. Build his frame similar to Henry's frame, make him a SDE/3-Tech, and then his upside gets drastically higher as a very good athlete for those spots.
At just a DE, he just doesn't have the ability off the edge to be a huge upside guy, and likely does grade out like Roh and Beyer; that is solid but not great. On the interior, he could be very disruptive, could make a much larger impact given his skill set. But he's got to get his weight up; that should start just about yesterday (and I think it probably did as he was already playing SDE in the spring game; a place where I don't think bodies were really needed if they didn't plan on playing him there). Get him to 290-300 by his second year on campus, which I think is feasible without him losing much athletically, and we're looking at good things, IMO.
|2 weeks 6 days ago||I'm not a tuck the shirt in guy||
Untucked is more comfortable. If I'm lunging, it's untucked. But if I'm coaching or playing sports, it's always tucked in. I wouldn't have come up with the explanation that Harbaugh does, to me, it's just the way it should be.
That said, tucking in the Allen Iverson jersey into khakis, well, I'll probably leave that to him.
|3 weeks 2 hours ago||Partially unpopular opinion||
I don't think Michigan's defensive stats (both normal stats and advanced stats) will be as good as last year. I actually think they take a small step back, though not a huge step back. The defense is a bit more complex, it's a bit more aggressive, they are going to give up some big plays.
That said, it will be more diverse, it will be more multiple. And because of that, I think it prepares them better to face an OSU. So the overall stats drop a little, and the performance against Indiana and OSU (or the like) improves at least a little based on the fact that the defense is prepared by taking a multiple approach (i.e. more zones,etc) through both spring and fall camp into the actual season, they aren't just (or so) reliant on cover 1 and a blitz package.
So the philosophy going into the season changes a lot. That gives them more options when OSU comes around. Look, they aren't going to shut OSU down. I hear a lot of talk about "does Brown have a defense that can shut OSU down?" No. The answer is no. Maybe Michigan plays crazy and they slow them down, maybe there is bad weather, something crazy, but OSU's offense is, in general, going to score their points. It's going to be good to great. But they can be better prepared to generate some more stops based on their ability to play multiple zones, get more eyes on the football, and try to generate some negative plays.
I thought for the most part the offensive gameplan wasn't a huge issue last year. Michigan moved the ball pretty well until Rudock got hurt and they were forced to try to play catch up. They averaged nearly 60 yards a drive the first half and had one stalled drive then got inside the 10 on the only two offensive drives with Rudock in the 2nd half. Put simply, I thought the offensive gameplan was sufficient and performed well given OSU's defense. So I don't think the approach changes greatly on that side.
|3 weeks 23 hours ago||There are only four letters in the word four||
And that is the only number that contains the number of letters its name defines.
|3 weeks 4 days ago||A lot of the thoughts in this thread are borderline crazy to me||
Saban improved Toledo. He took over a bad MSU program that was on sanctions that had a president say "no coach will make more than the president of this university" and so he had limited staff support and transformed the MSU D into one of the best in the nation (while recruiting some questionable guys). He took over a crap LSU program and won a title. He improved Miami until his GM killed him. He has won a ton at Bama. He's an all time great coach. Period. He's been very good everywhere. If he went back to the NFL I bet he'd be successful in the right situation, just like Harbaugh was. The guy can coach. And he's as good at Xs and Os as anyone, so that thought can go out the window too. He essentially invented pattern matching defense.
I love Harbaugh. I believe Harbaugh is a great coach. He's turned around several programs. But the many seemingly trying to discredit Saban because of whatever, including cheating (and lots of schools are cheating) is insane. Saban is likely the best coach of this generation. I think Harbaugh has the potential to be right there with him. But no one is above Saban. Plain and simple.
|4 weeks 2 hours ago||OSU had a bad game plan and weather was bad||
MSU also dominated them up front. They also didn't have Cook playing. They were still beat up with injuries. We can sit here and say they were charmed last year and I'm. It disagreeing, but at the end of the day they won those games, just like Iowa. And that's what counts. Iowa played every opponent they faced essentially as well or better than any other B1G team.
|4 weeks 2 hours ago||Again, that wasn't the only thing to hang their hat on||
I'm just stating that they were in a very similar situation as the other best teams that played MSU, and they didn't have a ho,e field. Along with the other results, it kind of shows they were right there with the other top B1G teams, but because they were in the East people generally ignore it.
|4 weeks 2 hours ago||Look at the rest of the schedule||
They beat every other team essentially as bad or worse than any other team did. Yeah, a lot of teams almost beat MSU. They also kicked Maryland and Northwestern. They beat Indiana as much as anyone. They were up double digits to every team they faced with under 3 minutes to go save Wisconsin early and Pitt earlier. That's more than OSU, Michigan, and MSU can say. They absolutely would have hung with the OSU that played most of the season until Michigan and ND. Their record and scores are every bit as good and better than OSU last year, who had the most talent but couldn't manifest it into as good of a team.
|4 weeks 2 hours ago||I'd expect it to be closer to last year||
Yes there is high variance, but they return a lot of defensive talent to run their scheme and a very experienced QB and skill guys.
|4 weeks 2 hours ago||@MSU isn't easy||
If people want to think that, fine, but I promise the UM staff doesn't think it's easy.
|4 weeks 2 hours ago||I addressed Stanford in the OP||
That said, Stanford was aided by a pick 6 and PR TD. At the end of the day, they blew them out in the 1st half and Iowa actually won the 2nd (yes, with the game essentially wrapped up, so caveat applies). Stanford still only managed about 430 yards offense which is solid but not spectacular. They were 3 for 10 on 3rd downs.
Iowa had a bad game plan on O and got destroyed up front. But that doesn't necessarily carry over to other games.
|4 weeks 2 hours ago||I think they could have beat any of the Top East teams last year||
They almost beat MSU who beat both OSU and us in the road. They were just as good as any other team in the league last year and rerun more than MSU and OSU and on par with Michigan when you weigh the importance of QB. No the depth of talent may not be the same, but they are plenty talented on the field.