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In the play in the video...

In the play in the video... this is the same concept, but the TE replaces the backside slant/settle by just getting into the same location and settling

Actually seth, the first one

Actually seth, the first one is the TROJAN PLAY (using Rich Rods terms of the play) that Borges still runs 4-5 times a game. Its usually ran out of a form of trips but in this case the rb becones the 3rd wr. #1 playside WR runs a go, #2 runs an out and #3runs a choice route (5 yard stick or Out cut)... the Backside Wr runs a slant/settle route while the rb runs a wheel out of the backfield.

If there is a two-high safety look, the qb is reading the stong side combo, taking the go route vs cover 2 if he can, if not he chooses between the out or the stick routes.

If there is one-high safety the qb is going to look backside automatically. If the corner follows the slant/settle he will hit the wheel route to the RB

This is the wheel route we had success with from the backfield earlier this year. One time they even lined Funchess up back there to run the wheel

Alot of big plays from under

Alot of big plays from under center?... yes... almost none of which were manball types of plays though... mostly pass plays and a few draws.

Its pretty simple (or pistol)... the shotgun gives u a numbers advantage over being under center... then u add in the fact that u can remove defenders from thw box bt moving WRs out wide and now u have to execute half as many blocks

Were they able to accomplish

Were they able to accomplish what you wanted them to do?

"Well, we didn’t have a lot of play kills. A play kill is a guy is unable to block his guy, hence the play is dead. Ten guys playing, one guy not playing, and because one guy doesn’t execute his assignment, the guy’s hit in the backfield or the quarterback’s sacked or whatever. They just didn’t have a lot of play kills. Their technique wasn’t always perfect, but they didn’t cause the play to fail very often. "

First off Borges only has 9 guys against 10 since he wastes one being a designated hand-offer and another is the ball carrier.... secondly it is hard to execute 10 out of 10 blocks. Odds are pretty good someone will miss one...all the more reason to spread them out and only have to make five blocks... he makes things tougher on himself

I noticed this live too...

I noticed this live too... ive played on a few teams where we did this as well... i would be willing to bet this is just a Gardner/Gallon thing and the coaches might not have even know about it... i dont think Gardner "knows" the corner blitz is coming... but he has a hunch... once he sees the cb coming he aborts the handoff... Gardner and Gallon are probably just sick of being put in situations to fail and took it upon themselves

Borges and Hoke are not

Borges and Hoke are not coming off their stance that "this is an i formation team" as far as the run goes... take a look at the numbers big fellas... u are a spread team no matter how much u hate it... adjust accordingly

I agree... but the good news

I agree... but the good news is that no matter how bad things get on offense against msu... we should still be in the game... heres to hoping Borges goes 75% spread concepts against MSU... sure is easier to block when u have defenders out of position huh?

I dont feel nearly as grim

I dont feel nearly as grim about msu as you do... MSUs offense being better is an illusion... dont believe it

I actually think M matches up

I actually think M matches up fine with Indiana... our Defense has never been a real concern to me all season... and if you cant get away with trying to force man ball down Indianas throat, who can you?... with that said... i still feel like we will do some pretty dumb things offensively that will upset all of us once again

Funally someone else is

Finally someone else is seeing that ALL of these ints are happening on 3rd & Long due to wasting 1st down. Devin then feels that he has to get the ball beyond the sticks, which means anything EASY is off the table for him.

Borges has been pissing me

Borges has been pissing me off... but the fact that all of you fans GET IT and he doesnt is what pisses me off even more... lol

Borges: Hes sticking to his

Borges: Hes sticking to his guns... im really starting to dislike this guy... i get the feeling he thinks he's just plain smarter than everyone... and his playcalling is trying to prove that... NEWSFLASH... its 2013... i bet D Coordinators love playing Michigan... I know i would... How simple would the gameplan be?

Of all the options u just

Of all the options u just named... risking the qbs health and taking what is working... yes... thats the correct answer 100% of the time

Id rather take a small risk of losing your qb than accepting a loss EVERY SINGLE DAY OF THE WEEK

Im telling u crom my own

Im telling u from my own coaching experience... its much easier to block spread concepts...

1) the misdirection makes it easier to leverage a block.
2) you get an extra double team because you have the ability leave a player unblocked (the handoff key)
3) most importantly... there are no keys for a DLine or Linebackers to read that will take them to the football..." oh, you think because the guard is zone blocking to the right, that you should fit your gap in that direction?" Go right ahead because the qb might keep out the back door... and if the safety gets too nosey we might just throw it in the vacated seam..... Now tell me who should a defender key on?... no key means slower reaction.
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It doesnt matter how good of a defender u are if u are out of position

Just scroll down a couple

Just scroll down a couple posts and see some of the responses to my comments... there are ppl essentially saying "they have to keep manballing to get to the offense they want in the future, so just deal with it"... there are a few guys on here trying to defend this 1980s style of offense

Devin actually had 24

Devin actually had 24 attempts... but that includes sacks, scrambles and fumbled snaps... im not saying he has to have more attempts... but i am saying u must make a defensive end account for him... thats one less guy u have to block even if devin hands the ball off

U can say im 100% wrong all u want but the fact of the matter is that devin averaged over 8 yards per run on first down... the rbs averaged less than 2 and had negative yards on over half the attempts

Did u see auburn putting Cam Newton on a pitch count?... Hell no... they went balls to the wall trying to win

Coaches preach that they take

Coaches preach that they take everything one game at a time... u must do what u can to win right now... if that means risking injury... or if it means not getti g good at the offense u wa t to run in the future... then so be it... u must play for right now

U cant worry about "what if

U cant worry about "what if Devin gets hurt" if it means risking losing the game at hand... again... this isnt baseball... u dont have a pitch count... u play balls out for 60 minutes... even if that means getting tackled 25 times in a game

U do see that Michigans

U do see that Michigans average yards per carry are Twice as good when running a spread concept play right?... its pretty simple... if u are willing to sit back and watch a negative 2 yard play on first down... a plus 3 yard play on second down... then on 3rd and long Devin feels like he cant check down because he wants a first down (which ends in ints)... thats fine... u watch that kind of football... i would rather put up points... thats the offenses job... put up points in bunches

U play to win the game...

U play to win the game... period... u cant worry about injuries... this isnt baseball... u dont save players unless the game is well in hand

Thats the risk u have to take

Thats the risk u have to take to get a win... if u hold anything back u are not putting your team in the best position to win... u cant worry about "what if so and so gets hurt" as a coach... u coach to win the current game and thats it... u worry about next week then

Risk Devin Getting hurt or

Risk Devin Getting hurt or Risk Losing a game... i think ill take my chances on a "might get hurt"... u gotta leave it all on the field... im not saying he has to run the ball on every play... but he must be a threat on every play... Defenses must love seeing him under center... u dont have to worry about his feet and linebackers can actually READ THEIR KEYS to get to the football... unlike when he is in the gun

There are many ways to put

There are many ways to put offensive linemen who "suck" in an adventageous position... trying to play MANBALL is not one of them

For the life of me... i will

For the life of me... i will never figure out why someone would want Devin to be a designated Hand-off-er and then stand back and watch the RB play 10 on 11... no thanks... i prefer to gain a 9% advantage and play 11 on 11... in hopes that my best offensive weapon gets to keep the ball (depending on the read)

Not even next year... if u have a Devin Gardner, u use him

i dont understand

For the life of me... i will never figure out why someone would want Devin to be a designated Hand-off-er and then stand back and watch the RB play 10 on 11... no thanks... i prefer to gain a 9% advantage and play 11 on 11... in hooes that my best offensive weapon gets to keep the ball (depending on the read)

Not even next year... if u have a Devin Gardner, u use him

For the life of me... i will

For the life of me... i will never figure out why someone would want Devin to be a designated Hand-off-er and then stand back and watch the RB play 10 on 11... no thanks... i prefer to gain a 9% advantage and play 11 on 11... in hooes that my best offensive weapon gets to keep the ball (depending on the read)

Not even next year... if u have a Devin Gardner, u use him

i am not

I am not one to call for anyone being fired... ever. With that said Borges has never done a good job with this offense since he has been here. Now im not saying they havent put up points at times, but he sure hasnt maximized his players skills. Denard could have had so much better of a career if they would have ran all of the spread passing concepts that should put defenders in conflict with the spread run plays. Borges has ran some spread run plays in his time here, but has never blended them with the bubble screens and playaction seem routes that got Roy Roundtree WIDE OPEN all of 2010 and made him out to a much better player than he was. Lets not forget Denard was the most efficient returning starting QB entering Borges' first season... thats not an opinion, its a statistical fact

his turnovers

Are almost always on 3rd and long... why are thwy always in third and long? I think the issue of trying to play man ball every first down had been discussed.

Point blank... if u try to make devin into chad henne there will be bad results... let himbe devin and good things happen.

Moral to the story... scrap man ball and adapt the spread concepts... running and passing

No... this is exactly like

No... this is exactly like that

They had negative yards on

They had negative yards on under center run plays 56% of the time during regulation... so lets keep doing it instead of calling a qb draw or some form of option?... no matter how u twist it... it was dumb.

No need to do all that...

No need to do all that... they already have the spread built in... just dont use it enough... (that and borges doesnt know spread well enough to truely maximize it) Devin had almost 100 yards rushing on 12 attempts out of the gun or pistol... the RBs had 28 yards on 30 attempts from under center.... THERE IS A REASON EVERYONE ELSE IS GOING away from pro style

Almost all of Devins

Almost all of Devins turnovers have been on 3rd and long this season... Not first down when checking down is an option.

RUNNING THE ball every first down from under center is 100% of the reason why they end up in 3rd and long so often.... so yes... the turnovers are largely BORGESS FAULT...

Well that and the Michigan fan bases fault... after all... it was the fan base that was hell bent on going back to stone age of I formation football.

answer to your question

You asked the question "is it Borges' fault?"

Heres the thing, every player has their strengths and weaknesses. Its the coordinators responsibility to call plays to maximize the strengths and minimize the weaknesses... BORGES REFUSES TO DO THIS.

Yes it is Borges fault... Devin does many things well... the same way that Denard did... but Borges is determined to slam Fitz into a Line that is not over powering.

MANBALL only worked back in the day because everyone was doing it and Michigan just plain had better players. Even then, at that time if someone was averaging 28 pts per game then the offense was elite. Teams are scori g 40pts per game now like its nothing... WELCOME TO 2013

Scrap the manball BS

This is why Denard and Devin get a bad rap for turnovers... Borges has been know for wasting 1st down ays by forcing man ball on first down... this leads to 3rd and longs where the qb feels like he has to save the day... more often than not they do... the other times are turnovers.

If u simply can not block the man across from you, the coaches need to help you out by running misdirection or a form of option to help them out with that block... it doesnt matter how athletic a defender is if he is out of position.

wrong arm

I disagree about the part where the defender just lets the kick out block happen so he can maintain contain. Any team i have been apart of (coaching or playing) has taught to squeeze the kick out block back inside... then "wrong arm" the block at the last possible second... by "wrong arm" i mean take your outside arm and throw under the block and toward the c gap... if u force the ball to the outside you did your job... you got the ball carrier to run laterally which allows backers to flow and the corner to come up and help

I dont know why anyone would

I dont know why anyone would want anybody playing qb who is one dimensional... would u want a fast wr who cant catch? How about an RB who is large but slow? What about a smart offensive linemen who is smart and plays with good technique but gets man handled?

True... but they only make so

True... but they only make so many Tom Bradys and Peyton Mannings... there are like 5 of that guy in the whole entire world. . If u cant get a guy like that u need to find another way to move the football... the best way to run the ball is to have 2 running threats in the backfield

Cam was 3x the college qb

Cam was 3x the college qb McCarron was... Cam was the offense... McCarron is just another guy on the offense... i would take a dual threat every day of the week... even if he is not the polished passer... but if thats the case u must give him simple passing reads... somerhing that Borges is not willing to do

I love how the media makes

I love how the media makes such a big deal about the criticism that Devin is getting... like players and coaches actually care what fans think...despite what fans think, players dont play to make fans happy (no metter how much they say they do)... coaches and players motivation is the other guys in the lockerroom... they play for their brothers.

I mean just look at the Denard or Rich Rod situations... that tells you all you need to know about the fans

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Ilike that scenario too

i do

I do think thats what they would do... best five should play... i mean its no different than if glasgow was to get hurt right?

should be

Should be a normal Big House crowd... lets not forget that we went through the entire Carr Era winning games this way... i know i have been to quite a few of them... bottom line is 4-0... shoot, OSU went 12-0 like this last season and so did ND... its funny how spoiled we are as Michigan fans where winning isnt enough.

Probably Miller to center and

Probably Miller to center and glasgow back to guard

I like this as far as

I like this as far as changing things up... the scary part is that none of us know how well glasgow can communicate targeting assignments... or even shotgun snap for that matter... im not too concerned about under center.... but lets just remember the inability to snap is what pushed ricky barnum to guard last season

Couple things...

I dont think trap is the answer as we are struggling with interior line play. If you think the defense has a player who is really good, or perhaps unbockable, dont waste 2 players to block him. Dont even try to block him. Read him. Make him the handoff key. Take him out of the play with the QB read and play 10 on 10.

Second... just because a defender chases a motion player doesnt mean its man coverage and just the opposite is true if he doesnt chase. This is over simplifying and could get the qb in trouble.

i know there is no way...

That they will ditch man ball. Atleast not on first down. Which is sad for Michigan fans. Then will revert to utilizing Devins skill on 2nd and 12 and 3rd and long. In which they will have high success and high turnovers.

Playing 10 on 11 is exactly what u are doing when you have your QB turn his back to the defense and essentially be a designated hand off guy. Especially when that designated player is your biggest play maker.

And im well aware that the spread was not developed in 2008... lol. Im not some 22 year old that only knows the way it has been for the last decade. Im a 34 year old who has coached at the high school level for 12 years, 6 as an offensive coordinator (started as a pro style "I" form team then moved into the spread option.) Now i know this isnt nearly the same as coaching at Michigan, but i want all 11 players to be honored on every down.

Not only that but the playaction out of the spread can get wrs much more open than any route combo u can throw out there... not only do u have to honor the rb, but lbs must stay home on the backside as well (2wice the benefit)

And lastly, i learned the hard way just how hard it is to generate misdirection out of the "I" without doing some type of gimmicky motion. Counter Trey is not really misdirection if you are reading your keys. The zone Read for example, has no keys. The offensive line may zone run block to the right but the ball could go left, it can be passed to a seam, it can be thrown out to a backside screen. The defense cant inicipate where the ball will go because the offensive coordinator doesnt even know. The coach doesnt have to make adjustments because they are already built in.

This is the reason qbs average much more yards per rush than rbs in general. Its also the reason why offenses score more now than ever. Offense is about points.

Thanks a bunch... i have been

Thanks a bunch... i have been reading all of you guys for years... now i decided to join the fun... lol

I know Im new to the blog...

But i have been a reader for years... i will just come out and say what all the bloggers want to say. "SCRAP THE MANBALL". Spread and option concepts give you such a huge advantage schematically. The only team that can consistently get away with playing 10 on 11 is Bama because they just have better players. They could run whatever they want. NOBODY else has that luxury.

Also look at the personell. Devin is closer to Denard than he is Henne. The offensive line hasnt been able to pull without allowing run-throughs. And you have jitter bug WRs.

partly Borges' fault

I actually think that Borges is a big part of the turnovers. How many of the INTs have been on 3rd and long? I feel that the root cause of the problem is wasting 1st down by continuing to do things that we are not good at, namely, I formation MANBALL. You have to know your players. You know that Devin is not going to survey the entire field like an nfl qb, he is a spread qb (no matter how much people want him to be Chad Henne). Give him one defender to read (this is what the spread affords you to do) I understand that is hard to do on 3rd and long, thats why Michigan can not waste 1st down.

With that said, Devin needs to make better decisions on third down, but he is trying to make up for what the offense is lacking on 1st down by making miracles on 3rd down.