Juwan screwed himself. First, by pursuing guys that were iffy at best to get admitted and second, by having no backup options whatsoever when they didn't get in.
The difference being that both football programs were at or close to a national championship level. Here they're asking Diebler to do better than his own mentor.
A month ago, would you have considered Jake Diebler a serious coaching candidate? If not, you're saying that he should get a job based on eight games.
Teams often experience a little "sugar rush" under an interim coach after his precedessor gets fired. Be wary of those results. That kind of thing got us Brian Ellerbe as our head coach.
With a healthy Livers we probably would have made the Final Four (we really should’ve beaten UCLA as it was) but don’t think we’d have beaten Baylor.
The handwringing over admissions and early departures doesn’t do it for me. That’s life. You can’t pin all your program’s hopes on one guy. Good programs have a plan B and keep moving. Beilein lost a ton of guys early (and to transfers) and his program didn’t miss a beat.
When a guy inherits a team coming off consecutive 30-win seasons and winds up 8-24 once his predecessor’s players are gone, it doesn’t take an angry mob to fire him.
It was the second anger incident. The year before he had had to be restrained from going after Maryland’s Turgeon.
I was OK with the 5-game suspension(that’s not a slap on the wrist, especially since it took place in the stretch run of the season) but I don’t know how he survived the Sanderson thing, on top of all that.
I love the guy but there is no reason to believe he wants to get back into coaching. It’s been four years since the Cavs let him go and he hasn’t taken anything out there.
We just need to find a new guy like the 2007 version of Beilein.
Don't insult Zach Novak that way. Brian used the term positively - Novak blowing up on the sidelines in an attempt to rally the troops. Warde is not exactly that kind of person, to put it gently.
Those records were inflated a bit by beating a lot of nonconference cupcakes, but yeah, tells you something. And Bill Martin had hired Amaker. He was willing to fire "his guy."
Enough with the admissions excuses. Every coach here has to operate under them. Focus on players who can get admitted and it's not an issue. (Quick, name all the football transfers that couldn't get in.)
The fact that Juwan repeatedly pursued guys who were uncertain (at best) to get in here, without any plan B, is on him.
I can't think of anything more productive for a college football coach to do than get in Twitter arguments with fans of a school he doesn't even work at anymore.
I can't seem to convince myself that Beilein's players remaining themselves was really thanks to their new coach,
We may note that Juwan took over a program that had gone 33-8 and 30-7 the two previous years and then went 19-12 (10-10 B1G) in his first season. That team started out 7-0 and then played .500 ball the rest of the season. Even with a team of Beilein players, we weren't that successful.
The only 20-win season we've had under Juwan was in 2020-21, when a kid from Germany whose older brother played here - not a very replicable recruiting event - blew up.
I don’t doubt that Juwan tried his best and gave it his all. I respect him for trying and at the end of the day, giving your best effort is all you can ask of him. I don’t think he cheated Michigan out of a day of work.
On the court he's tried his best, I don't doubt that. But off the court, when it comes to selling his program to the public, he's mailed it in. Compare him with Izzo, who is constantly - annoyingly - doing public events to sell his program.
He evidently hasn't done a great job verifying with admissions whether potential transfers can get in, either.
In Sanderson's previous 14 seasons here, did we ever hear anything negative about the guy? Anything about him being a loose cannon or quick to get into it with coaches/players? Not that I know of.
Otoh, Juwan's anger has been on display multiple times for all to see. Yes, this one side of the story, but it's not hard to believe.
If so, he'd have taken another job. It's been four years since Cleveland fired him, and there have been plenty of opportunities if he wanted them. It's safe to say at this point that he's done.
Fortunately, there are plenty of good coaches out there. We don't have to hire someone with prior Michigan ties. Beilein didn't have any when we hired him in 2007.
Just to be clear: the only Beilein team that was ever close to being this bad was his first team, with a roster he didn't recruit. We're in year 5 of the Juwan era.
Because 1) the vast majority of our fanbase has thrown in the towel; 2) Purdue fans are fanatical about their program and 3) it's even worse today because students are on spring break.
Moore deserves the credit for those. I don't think the players are staying because of Warde. Hell, he didn't even go to the football banquet in December.
It's possible to simultaneously believe that 1) Warde Manuel is a poor AD who alienated Jim Harbaugh and didn't adequately prepare for the transition and 2) Sherrone Moore is a good coach who's done a fine job under the circumstances.
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The fact that Urbana-Champaign is in the middle of nowhere probably doesn't help.
Only Taylor went pro that year ('97). Traylor/Baston/Bullock played another year at Michigan.
Robinson even making an NBA team in the first place seemed completely bonkers c. 2018.
Just like when we had two NBA 1st-rounders and Hunter Dickinson in 2022-23?
Juwan screwed himself. First, by pursuing guys that were iffy at best to get admitted and second, by having no backup options whatsoever when they didn't get in.
The difference being that both football programs were at or close to a national championship level. Here they're asking Diebler to do better than his own mentor.
A month ago, would you have considered Jake Diebler a serious coaching candidate? If not, you're saying that he should get a job based on eight games.
Teams often experience a little "sugar rush" under an interim coach after his precedessor gets fired. Be wary of those results. That kind of thing got us Brian Ellerbe as our head coach.
With a healthy Livers we probably would have made the Final Four (we really should’ve beaten UCLA as it was) but don’t think we’d have beaten Baylor.
The handwringing over admissions and early departures doesn’t do it for me. That’s life. You can’t pin all your program’s hopes on one guy. Good programs have a plan B and keep moving. Beilein lost a ton of guys early (and to transfers) and his program didn’t miss a beat.
When a guy inherits a team coming off consecutive 30-win seasons and winds up 8-24 once his predecessor’s players are gone, it doesn’t take an angry mob to fire him.
It was the second anger incident. The year before he had had to be restrained from going after Maryland’s Turgeon.
I was OK with the 5-game suspension(that’s not a slap on the wrist, especially since it took place in the stretch run of the season) but I don’t know how he survived the Sanderson thing, on top of all that.
So when the NCAA president said we won the national title fair and square, that was just a bait and switch?
I didn’t think it was possible for OSU fans to get more desperate and pathetic than they already were, but here we are.
As Brian has pointed out many times, "People in charge of things are often in charge of them for no good reason."
We just went 8-23, and 3-17 in league play. Nkamhoua is done and Dug is probably gone to the portal. What are we clinging to here?
Wasn’t there a Giving Blueday after Thanksgiving? And then another around Christmas? How many of these are there?
Well, Paez couldn’t have lost his job in spring ball because that hasn’t started yet for UW.
I love the guy but there is no reason to believe he wants to get back into coaching. It’s been four years since the Cavs let him go and he hasn’t taken anything out there.
We just need to find a new guy like the 2007 version of Beilein.
Warde was such a key component of the football team's success that he didn't even show up to the team banquet in December.
So people will be blasting their music left and right?
But what if JJ hadn’t sat the 4Q of basically every game in Sept/Oct and had gotten hurt in one of them?
I think the bigger issue with a tough schedule is that you’re forced to play your starters more snaps, which can potentially mean more injuries.
Not if their main criterion is making money.
Except Jim Harbaugh?
Don't insult Zach Novak that way. Brian used the term positively - Novak blowing up on the sidelines in an attempt to rally the troops. Warde is not exactly that kind of person, to put it gently.
If there was any doubt that the last bit of life from the Beilein era has left us...
Those records were inflated a bit by beating a lot of nonconference cupcakes, but yeah, tells you something. And Bill Martin had hired Amaker. He was willing to fire "his guy."
Enough with the admissions excuses. Every coach here has to operate under them. Focus on players who can get admitted and it's not an issue. (Quick, name all the football transfers that couldn't get in.)
The fact that Juwan repeatedly pursued guys who were uncertain (at best) to get in here, without any plan B, is on him.
Man, it’s a good thing “this shit works” - I can’t imagine how ugly things would be otherwise.
I can't think of anything more productive for a college football coach to do than get in Twitter arguments with fans of a school he doesn't even work at anymore.
What a guy.
We may note that Juwan took over a program that had gone 33-8 and 30-7 the two previous years and then went 19-12 (10-10 B1G) in his first season. That team started out 7-0 and then played .500 ball the rest of the season. Even with a team of Beilein players, we weren't that successful.
The only 20-win season we've had under Juwan was in 2020-21, when a kid from Germany whose older brother played here - not a very replicable recruiting event - blew up.
On the court he's tried his best, I don't doubt that. But off the court, when it comes to selling his program to the public, he's mailed it in. Compare him with Izzo, who is constantly - annoyingly - doing public events to sell his program.
He evidently hasn't done a great job verifying with admissions whether potential transfers can get in, either.
*Toe (as in keeping your toes behind a line)
Seriously. At this point, what are we clinging to? Both Juwan's on-court performance and his anger issues are grounds for dismissal.
In Sanderson's…
And?
In Sanderson's previous 14 seasons here, did we ever hear anything negative about the guy? Anything about him being a loose cannon or quick to get into it with coaches/players? Not that I know of.
Otoh, Juwan's anger has been on display multiple times for all to see. Yes, this one side of the story, but it's not hard to believe.
If so, he'd have taken another job. It's been four years since Cleveland fired him, and there have been plenty of opportunities if he wanted them. It's safe to say at this point that he's done.
Fortunately, there are plenty of good coaches out there. We don't have to hire someone with prior Michigan ties. Beilein didn't have any when we hired him in 2007.
The man's 70 years old. Let him enjoy his retirement.
But there are other coaches out there that could do better than this.
Just to be clear: the only Beilein team that was ever close to being this bad was his first team, with a roster he didn't recruit. We're in year 5 of the Juwan era.
And it's not even spring yet!
Now $84,000. Let's keep it going!
So why link it?
Right now we're the reigning champs.
In September we become the defending champs.
OSU just beat Sparty in Breslin. Sometimes it just takes a coaching change.
Crisler.
Because 1) the vast majority of our fanbase has thrown in the towel; 2) Purdue fans are fanatical about their program and 3) it's even worse today because students are on spring break.
If you just watch our first halves, and turn the game off at halftime, you can be fairly entertained.
Moore deserves the credit for those. I don't think the players are staying because of Warde. Hell, he didn't even go to the football banquet in December.
Eight years. We were not a dumpster fire in 1997, to say the least.
It's possible to simultaneously believe that 1) Warde Manuel is a poor AD who alienated Jim Harbaugh and didn't adequately prepare for the transition and 2) Sherrone Moore is a good coach who's done a fine job under the circumstances.
And?
We have a 7th-year senior (!) who's thrown about 200 career passes and has been in the system a year. I think we can roll with him.
In the What just happened (TL;DR) section, it should be "Michigan led from start to finish..."
Actually I think it makes a lot of sense for them. Players get paid at no cost to the schools.
We didn't suspend Jim for three games in September for shits and giggles.