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|5 hours 21 min ago||Gonna have to go 11-7 in the||
Gonna have to go 11-7 in the Big Ten coming out of non-conf. with three above average wins and no bad losses.
|5 hours 28 min ago||Welp. DJ Wilson gets beat on||
Welp. DJ Wilson gets beat on a rebound for a FT and it turns into 5 quick UCLA points. For as good as a coach Beilein is his teams make the stupidest mistakes.
|1 day 16 hours ago||It's funny because they were||
It's funny because they were allegedly gonna hire Lane Kiffin who is no stranger to this same thing.
|1 day 17 hours ago||Yeah I didn't know the name of Purdue's interim coach either.||
Yeah I didn't know the name of Purdue's interim coach either.
|2 days 4 hours ago||I like Beilein, but the lack||
I like Beilein, but the lack of high level talent outside of the Burke/Stauskas/GR3/McGary/THJ classes has been just decent.
|4 days 4 hours ago||This team might make the||
This team might make the tournament, but boy are they tough to watch sometimes.
|4 days 5 hours ago||I'll say it again. Outside of||
I'll say it again. Outside of DJ and Wagner there are zero athletes on this team. Nobody who can break down defenses and get to the rim or kick it out. Walton and Irvin are skilled but they are entirely off the ball players. I think that's the biggest issue over the past few years. All guys who are better off the ball than with it in their hands. Beilein needs a guard with some athleticism.
|5 days 10 hours ago||Yes! Outside of the whole||
Yes! Outside of the whole Sandusky thing, their fans have been obnoxious (although I'm sure we have been as well). Every PSU fan on Reddit decided that since they beat Ohio State and Iowa and we didn't, they were a better team.
Why did we beat them 49-10, then?
All of their LBs were injured and if they just had those guys, it would've been different.
When I brought up that their offense only scored 3 points before garbage time against us and to my knowledge LBs don't usually play offense (Peppers exempt), they didn't really have anything to say.
They were also mean to Brian when he said they reminded him a lot of last year's State team who was super lucky and not really a great team.
|6 days 7 hours ago||I believe that if Michigan||
I believe that if Michigan hadn't lost to Iowa and lost to OSU, all three teams would've been 8-1 and 1-1 against each other and had the same in division record so I believe the rep would've been chosen by random draw.
|6 days 19 hours ago||Whatever||
I'm glad none of you are excited. Yea, this was a great team. Yes, it would've been nice to make the playoffs. We lost two games we shouldn't have and this is the outcome. As a Cubs fan, I can tell you that sometimes you go through a long time of suffering before it finally pays off.
College football isn't binary. You can have a good season without winning the title. Demolishing FSU in the Orange Bowl would put a stamp on Michigan's most successful season in a decade. They beat the crap out of MSU. They curb stomped the B1G Champion (who seems to have a 2015 MSU vibe about them where luck and schedule breaks were the biggest reason for their success).
I know I'll be watching on December 30th, hoping to see this team for one last time.
|1 week 3 hours ago||One of the most overlooked||
One of the most overlooked things about Penn State is their road schedule: Indiana, Purdue, Rutgers, Michigan, and Pitt. They lost two of those and struggled with Indiana.
|1 week 5 hours ago||Dang Herbie still wondering||
Dang Herbie still wondering if Michigan and Washington is a debate. I can't imagine it is, but thanks dude.
|1 week 19 hours ago||Argument||
While I get what you're saying, making the argument that Michigan is SUPPOSED to be like Alabama and Ohio State while simultaneously claiming that Michigan is ALWAYS one or two plays short and ALWAYS loses a couple of games would mean that Michigan is indeed that latter team and not Alabama and Ohio State.
|1 week 1 day ago||I'm wary of judging teams on||
I'm wary of judging teams on one game. Washington destroyed Wazzou pretty easily, but man they've looked bad against USC and Colorado.
|1 week 1 day ago||Woof. We'd be the crap out of Washington.||
Woof. We'd be the crap out of Washington.
|1 week 1 day ago||See Seth's post. Virtually||
See Seth's post. Virtually zero chance of us playing WMU. Most likely opponent is FSU or Louisville.
|1 week 2 days ago||Playing Freshmen||
For all the talk about burned redshirts (and it's valid), there were like 8 true freshmen who saw meaningful PT this year:
Evans, Crawford, McDOOOOM, Bredeson, Asiasi, Gary, Bush, Hill
You could argue Metellus and Hudson and Onwenu, but that was mostly garbage time stuff or special teams.
If that class above is accurate, I'd say that the following could play meaningful time next year:
DPJ (possibly starting opposite Crawford), Collins (if they part ways with...ahem...Ways)
Wilson (starting LT or RT)
Ruiz (if Kugler goes to G and Cole kicks out to LT)
2-3 of the DTs. Seriously behind Hurst and Mone (and Gary here and there), there is precious little depth. Getting Solomon AND Tufele would be huge.
Ross or Singleton. Unless Wangler (who's been a ghost) is ready to be a backup LB, somebody will need to spot McCray and Bush
Thomas and JKP. Depends on if Clark gets a 6th year and how badly they feel like they need a safety to play the Kinnel/Hill role from this year.
So I'd say 9-10 is probable again next year with another 10-ish having their redshirts burned in garbage time and/or special teams.
|1 week 2 days ago||Agree||
I think Seth's logic is pretty spot on. The big unknown is whether the committee weighs H2H or Conf. Championships more. I've maintained that Penn State winning is worse than Wisconsin winning because PSU would have the H2H win over Ohio State and how do you leave out a team with wins over OSU, Wisconsin and two losses to Top 25 wins and who won their conference and beat a team that's in the playoff in favor of one H2H result.
That said, the committee has said over and over again that if resumes are comparable that H2H is a determining factor.
There is a shot and I'm sure last year's Alabama-MSU game will weigh heavily on the minds of the committee.
One thing that's been sort of unspoken is that after ratings for the NYE semifinals were way down last year, there may be an inclination to include a more popular team with a well-known HC and several high profile potential NFL Draft Picks. I'm not say that SHOULD be a factor, just that the committee and ESPN may prefer an Alabama-Michigan semifinal over an Alabama-Wisconsin/PSU semifinal. And if there's an argument to be made, the committee can justify it by saying Michigan beat both teams.
That said, if Clemson and Washington win, there is zero chance Michigan magically jumps either of those teams without playing.
- Colorado over Washington (keeps Michigan's win over the Buffs looking pretty stellar)
- An ugly, close game between Penn State and Wisconsin. Something like 10-7 with multiple turnovers should do the trick.
People keep referencing 2014 when Ohio State jumped both Baylor and TCU who didn't play. Ohio State won that game 59-0 and the way it looked was definitely a factor in why they made it.
|1 week 2 days ago||Echo||
I'll echo what a lot of you have said, but here are my main takeaways.
- Lack of shot creators. By that, they don't have an explosive player who can get into the paint and either score or find an open shooter. It's dribble, get stopped, and then back it out or kick it out to a covered guy. Without anyone who can break a defense down, teams don't feel like they need to help.
- That first point goes back to Beilein's major issue which is a lack of top end talent. You can make the tournament being a good coach and recruiting good players, but he just hasn't been able to land any big time freshmen to come in. And it's not totally his fault. Kentucky and Duke scoop up the majority of big name prospects and that doesn't include Kansas, State, Louisville, UNC, etc. He got lucky with Burke, Stauskas, and Caris. McGary was the last true 5* and even that didn't pan out.
- Lack of intensity. For the past three years, this team has desperately needed a Novak or a McGary. Beilein is more of a kind grandfather. He doesn't blow up, he doesn't go crazy. He's a good coach, but not inspirational. It's not a coincidence that Novak's Aneurysm of Leadership was followed by the best 2.5 year stretch of Michigan basketball since the Fab Five. I haven't seen one player physically get in the face of a teammate after a blown assignment or dive like crazy for a loose ball. It's a bunch of players going through their sets on offense, and trying to play defense best they can.
|1 week 3 days ago||Well another blown lead in a||
Well another blown lead in a winnable game by a Michigan team. How things change from Ace saying "Top 4 seed" after the 2k Classic to now a team that looks very bubbly.
|1 week 3 days ago||Come on, man. He didn't show||
Come on, man. He didn't show up throwing shade and talking smack. He backed up his point with some stats and was well-meaning. No sense in escalating it with a fan of another team who comes in peace.
|1 week 3 days ago||If we don't make the playoff||
If we don't make the playoff it'll be either USC in the Rose Bowl or FSU/Louisville in the Orange.
|1 week 4 days ago||Ah! Kill it with fire. Those||
Ah! Kill it with fire. Those eyes. I can't forget those hideous eyes.
|1 week 4 days ago||Depth||
This post does not make me optimistic that next year will see Michigan in the CFP. We lose nearly all of our receiving production, 3/5 of an O-Line with some guys who've seen spot duty or freshmen behind them. 6 of 7 DL/LB starters are gone, and while the starting DL will be good, the depth is shaky behind them. We lose every member of the secondary and I'd feel okay about two of those spots if Clark comes back (Kinnel being the other).
This team has a lot of ?s heading into next year.
|1 week 4 days ago||Win vs Ohio State||
I think the biggest concern for me about Penn State is the Nittany Lions win over Ohio State. How do you justify leaving out Penn State who won their division and conference and beat another playoff team H2H for a team that finished 3rd in their division, lost to that same team that Penn State beat, and finished up the year 1-2? One H2H win would be tough to overcome all the things in PSU's favor.
Are we better than Penn State? 100% yes. That excuse about being banged up at the LB level fails to pass the mustard when their offense scored 3 points before garbage time.
Do we deserve to go to the playoff over Penn State if they beat Wisconsin? Probably not.
Wisconsin would have the wins against Penn State and Iowa, but losses to both of the other B1G contenders.
Honestly, I find it possible that Michigan gets in over Wisconsin, even if it's very unlikely.
|1 week 5 days ago||Clark||
Clark coming back would be huge. I think they'd keep him at corner and let Watson/Long/Hill have a battle to earn that spot opposite him. Kinnel and either Metellus or Kelly-Powell would be safeties with Khaleke in the Peppers role.
|1 week 5 days ago||Thanks||
Also, just realized that my diary which breaks down the CFP contenders resumes is linked in the game post which is pretty cool. So, just wanted to say thank you Brian.
|1 week 5 days ago||I think the thing that kills||
I think the thing that kills me is that it seems like every 10 years or so there is a truly great Michigan team. '97, '06, and '16. The '06 team was done in by the OSU game and a late hit penalty. This team was done in by some weird stuff at Kinnick and some mistakes/bad calls against Ohio State. They should've been playing for a conference and national championship this year, but instead will get to go stomp a mediocre FSU team at the Orange Bowl (probably).
|1 week 5 days ago||Rose/Pac-12||
Not sure if the Rose Bowl/Pac-12 works like the Big Ten where the Rose Bowl has a mandate to take the conference champion if they aren't in the CFP. I still think the most likely outcome is Michigan playing Florida State (and destroying them) in the Orange Bowl and finishing the year ranked #3.
|1 week 5 days ago||Mistake||
You are right. My mistake.