RR is a good coach...his track record at WV speaks for itself. I don't want to hear that the Big East isn't as good as the Big Ten. Right now that might be the case but the Big East was pretty competative when he was there (I might be wrong). What other program in recent history trying to rebuild has had as much negative media as Michigan? All though RR has made some mistakes he wasn't fully welcomed from the beginning by some. None of those programs had a culture in place that was totally uprooted. Another interesting thought I had is Saban, Carroll, Meyer, and Stoops took over in places where high school talent is abundant in ridiculous amounts compared to Michigan. Meyer doesn't count because Zook had some pretty good recruiting years and they were never really bad when he was there just under preformed to Florida's standards.
On a completely different note...when Carr was here we always complained how conservative we were and how soft our D was. I loved Carr but we should have played for a few more titles during his tenure. Too much talent during his time that underachieved on the field but I think it had to do more with coaching. Hmmm...isn't that the argument so many people are having now with the D but this time a lack of talent can be included in the argument.
Here's my final thought for now. We as Michigan fans always talk about how Notre Dame shouldn't think of themselves as high and mighty as they do.....maybe the same could be said of us. We are still Michigan but were not an exception to down times or problems even though sometimes we think we are. Let's be honest no one not even I is satisfied unless we're competing for National Titles. We as fans are always gonna complain unless we're winning because when we lose we (the common fan) think we have all the answers to fix the problems.
I think firing RR would be a big mistake and set the program back years. I agree with jackw8542 none of these kids would be playing for another 2 or 3 years but attrition has caused this problem. It's a baptism by fire for our defense. We maybe taking our beatings now but it will benefit us in the long run. If it seemed like the players were quitting during games then I would be concerned but they are playing hard until the clock hits zero.
We chose to overhaul the whole program when we went with RR. It takes time especially when you go from a pro-style to a spread offense. I think we as fans have been spoiled by the success michigan football has had over the years. Michigan hasn't experienced something like this in 40 or 50 years. Every major program in the last 30 years has had down times like were going through now. It's our turn but we'll get back to where we should be.
Alabama from 2000-2007 wasn't that great. Execept for 2002 & 2005 they had some pretty bad records. Georgia has it 's struggles now and in the 90's as well. LSU in the 90's was horrible. Miami went through some growing pains just as Randy Shannon took over and still does. Oklahoma in the mid to late 90's was horrible. We all know about ND's hard times. Nebraska during the Bill Callahan era was pretty bad. Penn State in the early 2000s had some horrible records. USC before Pete Carroll was horrible. Tennessee the last couple of years is just as bad as us if not worse. Texas in the early-mid 90's wasn't good. Florida State has had some mediocre teams in the 2000's. The new kids on the block like Oregon, Utah, BSU, TCU don't really count cause they've just started having major football success this decade. Exposure for college football has grown leaps and bounds the last decade which makes expectations for immediate success unrealistic.
Change takes time and we as Michigan fans need to have patience. Fans of other programs had to go through tough times and unfortunately were not immune to a couple of bad years of football either. This was a 6-6 team at best but the quick start got peoples expectations to high once again. And as far as beating OSU...our time will come. Most major rivalries have periods of time where one teams beats another for 5-7 years. Like RR says when we're better then them we'll beat them.
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RR is a good coach...his track record at WV speaks for itself. I don't want to hear that the Big East isn't as good as the Big Ten. Right now that might be the case but the Big East was pretty competative when he was there (I might be wrong). What other program in recent history trying to rebuild has had as much negative media as Michigan? All though RR has made some mistakes he wasn't fully welcomed from the beginning by some. None of those programs had a culture in place that was totally uprooted. Another interesting thought I had is Saban, Carroll, Meyer, and Stoops took over in places where high school talent is abundant in ridiculous amounts compared to Michigan. Meyer doesn't count because Zook had some pretty good recruiting years and they were never really bad when he was there just under preformed to Florida's standards.
On a completely different note...when Carr was here we always complained how conservative we were and how soft our D was. I loved Carr but we should have played for a few more titles during his tenure. Too much talent during his time that underachieved on the field but I think it had to do more with coaching. Hmmm...isn't that the argument so many people are having now with the D but this time a lack of talent can be included in the argument.
Here's my final thought for now. We as Michigan fans always talk about how Notre Dame shouldn't think of themselves as high and mighty as they do.....maybe the same could be said of us. We are still Michigan but were not an exception to down times or problems even though sometimes we think we are. Let's be honest no one not even I is satisfied unless we're competing for National Titles. We as fans are always gonna complain unless we're winning because when we lose we (the common fan) think we have all the answers to fix the problems.
I think firing RR would be a big mistake and set the program back years. I agree with jackw8542 none of these kids would be playing for another 2 or 3 years but attrition has caused this problem. It's a baptism by fire for our defense. We maybe taking our beatings now but it will benefit us in the long run. If it seemed like the players were quitting during games then I would be concerned but they are playing hard until the clock hits zero.
We chose to overhaul the whole program when we went with RR. It takes time especially when you go from a pro-style to a spread offense. I think we as fans have been spoiled by the success michigan football has had over the years. Michigan hasn't experienced something like this in 40 or 50 years. Every major program in the last 30 years has had down times like were going through now. It's our turn but we'll get back to where we should be.
Alabama from 2000-2007 wasn't that great. Execept for 2002 & 2005 they had some pretty bad records. Georgia has it 's struggles now and in the 90's as well. LSU in the 90's was horrible. Miami went through some growing pains just as Randy Shannon took over and still does. Oklahoma in the mid to late 90's was horrible. We all know about ND's hard times. Nebraska during the Bill Callahan era was pretty bad. Penn State in the early 2000s had some horrible records. USC before Pete Carroll was horrible. Tennessee the last couple of years is just as bad as us if not worse. Texas in the early-mid 90's wasn't good. Florida State has had some mediocre teams in the 2000's. The new kids on the block like Oregon, Utah, BSU, TCU don't really count cause they've just started having major football success this decade. Exposure for college football has grown leaps and bounds the last decade which makes expectations for immediate success unrealistic.
Change takes time and we as Michigan fans need to have patience. Fans of other programs had to go through tough times and unfortunately were not immune to a couple of bad years of football either. This was a 6-6 team at best but the quick start got peoples expectations to high once again. And as far as beating OSU...our time will come. Most major rivalries have periods of time where one teams beats another for 5-7 years. Like RR says when we're better then them we'll beat them.