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|2 days 18 hours ago||Politics stops here.||
Politics stops here.
|2 days 20 hours ago||I've mentioned it before, but||
I've mentioned it before, but if you're not fishing for St. Clair smallies you haven't fished Michigan.
|3 days 14 hours ago||You can't really point at||
You can't really point at David Terrell--one of the top overall high school prospects in his year--and say "wow look how much Lloyd did with so little." What David's NFL vs college careers suggest is that college players weren't able to exploit Terrell's weakness (because every guy has one) but NFL players were, therefore his strengths were able to really shine in college but not so much in the pros.
A metaphor: say a player is a medieval castle. This is a 5-star castle so it's got an impregnable moat around 3/4 sides and front is covered by two massive towers and a big oak door. So long as you're going against coastal raiders, they won't be able to break down that door unless they hack at it for an hour under a hail of your fire, so you can just keep picking them off from the towers all day long and then maybe have to do some bloody work against those who hacked their way in. Against such competition, your castle dominates. But later on this same castle gets attacked by Richard the Lionheart and his well-organized, hand-picked Plantagenet army, and those batards have themselves a battering ram that'll take your door down in one slam. Your towers and your moat are now rendered moot because the enemy will attack you at your weakest point: the door. This castle will thus have a huge disparity in production depending on whether it's facing the Raiders or the Lions.
Chris Perry was a huge recruit too and so was Walker. Braylon Edwards wasn't, but you saw his amazing athleticism. I think it's reasonable to assume that all of those guys would have had a similar measure of success wherever they went, with the caveat that nobody else had Tom Brady/Drew Henson to throw to them. Justin Fargas was in the same class as Walker and Terrell, had the talent to carve out a better pro career than A-Train, and Lloyd got mostly that Northwestern game out of him because Michigan didn't know what else to do but run him off the edge.
I honestly believe Carr had as good of athletes as anybody in college football at the time. Maybe FSU in the '90s, Miami at the turn of the century, and USC in the mid-aughts had better, but find me a program that was as strong as Michigan from 1996 to 2007 in pure talent? We compared favorably to Oklahoma and Nebraska and Florida and Ohio State and Penn State. The 1999 and 2000 and 2003 and 2006 teams were as talented as any roster in college football those years. Carr's staff recruited them well and generally developed them well, and that's what made him a great coach. He didn't particularly deploy them any better than an average coach, largely because his coordinators weren't the kind of strategic battlemasters who do that sort of thing. The castle had a lot of parts, and this article wasn't meant to assess the whole so much as talk about that door.
|3 days 14 hours ago||"[Name of superstar] gets||
"[Name of superstar] gets negged" is the basis of everything I'm saying. Yes, great players have bad plays. But I bet you all the mgopoints that Ray Lewis would come out with a monster number of pluses, Suh would break Mike Martin's BEAST MODE record, and Tom Brady would have more "DO" passes than anyone since the UFR system settled into a standard. Play-by-play scoring won't say such-and-such superstar is perfect; it will say "wow, this guy is appreciably better than everybody else." If Peyton Manning comes out of a game with one bad read, three IN's and more CA and DO throws than anyone in UFR history, that is the strongest case you could make for why a few imperfections don't mar a body of work.
UFRs have diagnosed good and bad players in the past. They have been more predictive than things like tackles (I didn't even say tackle numbers are what I use to assess). No, I wouldn't use it as the be-all/end-all. I would trust it more than base stats, and more than the people who vote for players of the week in the Big Ten, because they've missed things that people who take a closer, objective-as-possible look have noticed a lot. Like the fact Mike Hull turned himself from a good coverage linebacker into a seek-and-destroy missile who's still a good coverage linebacker, and that has made Penn State's run defense perhaps the best in the country.
The thing is Ryan's only looked anything star-like this year in the last couple of games, which were against HORRIBLE offenses, not just bad ones. Specicially, the Indiana game made reading as easy as it's ever been, and we saw a performance likenable to the Ryan of old, since he was doing all the stuff in his wheelhouse.
I've been watching him carefully live because I'm looking for that progression. I think there is a great MLB in there, but I also think it's really hard to become one in a single offseason. I promise you, I'll use my best judgment and if I think Ryan is becoming the kind of player Maryland has to scheme around, he'll get the distinction. As of this moment, agree to disagree on whether he's there now.
|4 days 4 hours ago||Great coaches all have||
Great coaches all have flaws--they mitigate them with their strengths. Lloyd Carr was a great coach. He had some great assistants whom he promoted until they weren't that anymore because he never recognized this flaw in himself.
NO coach is great in all aspects. The best coach who ever lived won despite some flaws he never got rid of, and covered others up with good help or dumb-ass luck or, as is often the case, lucking into good help.
We should discuss those flaws because they're viable criticisms, and in this case it was a flaw that continues to affect Michigan. The same thing I've been arguing with Magnus and Reader71 this thread applies to you too: don't read criticism of one aspect of Carr's career as a net negative assessment of Carr's career. He was a great coach at Michigan, and we should feel damn lucky and proud we had him.
|4 days 5 hours ago||I'm not bashing him by saying||
I'm not bashing him by saying he's not a star since his move to MLB. I'm relaying my sense from watching every play this year at least twice, and being the guy who has to copy edit (and therefore read closely) every goddamn word in the UFRs.
I trust what I see and what that's saying, which for most of the season was that Ryan was still awesome once he diagnosed the play, but he misses chucks, gets out of his coverage often, and has a handful of plays per game when he's reading and gets blocked when he had somewhere to attack.
That's not bashing him. Middle linebacker is REALLY hard to do. Neither do I advocate replacing Jake, since that means drawing Gedeon into the lineup (since Ross seems solid now at both SAM and base nickel). Ryan had a great game against Indiana, but I didn't respect Indiana's passing game at all, and felt their obvious run bias made things as easy as they've ever been on Jake since the switch. That was the information I had when I made the last FFFF graphic prior to the NW'ern game. I'm reserving judgment until the UFR comes out and I do my second-watch.* Even then, I can only go so far because this was another bad offense we played. The only good one we played was MSU and they picked on Ryan.
I get kinda upset at this accusation because my bias is to give him the star, and I'm fighting that bias with what my eyese and my limited knowledge tell me. I was early to jump on the Ryan bandwagon. And I'm a fan of MLBs. For a year in college I had Larry Foote (and the scores of that year's games) as my wallpaper. David Harris was the first guy I proudly knew was good from my own observations (that was before I even read MGoBlog). Well, him and Manning and Reid. In these pages I've been effusive of Te'o, and Bullough, and Hull. Those are great MLBs, and when I compare the plays they make to the plays Ryan makes I have to honestly assess the difference that I observe, however much I want it to be otherwise. Ryan was a great SAM--better than Vic Hobson (don't kick my ass Vic), maybe in the LaVarr Arrington conversation. I won't say he's a great MLB until my eyes tell me so.
Frank Clark on the other hand was obviously blowing shit up. Obviously that's moot now since he doesn't play for Michigan anymore.
*Which I've been saving for when my buddy's in town later this week because he didn't see it and only knows people in the South were laughing about it and it's called the "M00N' game. If I'm gonna watch it again, I need a fresh face so I can capture the expressions that were probably on mine.
|4 days 14 hours ago||There's a series I'd like to||
There's a series I'd like to write in the future: what happened to Michigan greats in the pros and why?
I think a lot of those are just the difference between the speed of defenders in the NFL vs college football. Edwards and Terrell and Walker were all kind of big leapy dudes, not dissimillar from the type Michigan was recruiting under Borges. Terrell had his own issues besides, but both he and Braylon were not used to defenders who could rise with them.
It's the Amara Darboh effect. He just can't get the kind of separation from better corners to make him a big threat. When facing guys who just don't have the athleticism to stay a step ahead, those big dudes are unstoppable weapons because you can't shove them off a route.
With the RBs, again you have dudes who whose flaws were just okay enough that their awesome parts could really shine, and once they got to the NFL those flaws were too exploitable. Mike Hart was small and didn't have great top speed, but against college defenses he was big enough and fast enough that his spectacular vision and technique in blocking made up for his deficiencies. Those deficiencies were exposed the second he had to pick up Ray Lewis.
A-Train and Perry were a similar type of player to Ron Dayne. They also both will admit they played hurt for most of their NFL careers. Anyway A-Train could push a 3-yard run into 5 yards by being a train, and Perry had just enough balance to break through college lines. In the NFL that became 3-yard runs and getting tripped up after 1 yard on draws. Wheatley and Biakabutuka before them had okay NFL careers, but neither tore up the league because of the same thing: big dudes who run high get chopped down too fast unless they're Adrian Peterson/Lawrence Maroney accelerators.
On Lloyd: Who's saying "eh, okay?" I started off with a whole paragraph about how he's great so I could discuss his flaw in detail. There's some dudes in this thread who treat all criticism as insult (and then either get offended or offensive depending on which faction they're in). You're egging them on.
|4 days 15 hours ago||He was a grad assistant. I||
He was a grad assistant. I didn't include them because those guys come and go and it's hard to attach them to any one job unless you really knew the inner workings of that year. Technically I probably could do that from about 1998 to present with people I know from those teams, but it would be a lot of work for little effect.
|4 days 17 hours ago||Because everything's not||
Because everything's not black and white, man. What's wrong with saying Lloyd was a great coach who had this flaw, then discussing how that flaw continues to have an affect on Michigan today?
Every article about Carr need not be either "he was the bestest!" or "he sucked boo!" The best coaches only find ways to cover their flaws; they all have them.
The discourse around Michigan's program has been poisoned by just this kind of party hackery: LLOYD'S BOYS vs RICHRODIGANS or whatever you wanna call them. Well fuck factionalism. The point of arguing anything is to reach a consensus, which will necessarily involve whatever praise is due and whatever criticism is due.
You sound like one of the hacks.
|4 days 17 hours ago||He'd only be mediocre if he||
He'd only be mediocre if he coached a mediocre offense.
I think I just responded below with the same analogy, but it's like how i was ALL ABOUT Jake Ryan as a SAM, but when they made him an MLB I took his star away because he wasn't an awesome Mike and people got pissed at me.
Jerry Hanlon was an excellent OL coach and general assistant. Brady Hoke was an excellent DL coach and general assistant. Neither showed in that time they could be great at more CEO-type positions.
One of the best coaches in all of college football is Larry Johnson Sr. He is an excellent recruiter. He made PSU's defensive lines great for a generation and just built OSU's into a dominant unit. He has resisted every attempt to make him more than a DL coach because he knows he's awesome at that, and isn't the kind of organizer you need to be to run a program or a unit. I think Lloyd had some guys who weren't LJS but were close enough to produce some excellent units, but Carr promoted them beyond their capacity, and that's what this article delves into.
|4 days 18 hours ago||I think a good staff has a||
I think a good staff has a balance. Carr had some excellent assistants, some of whom were in those roles for Bo and Mo, but promoted them to beyond their capacities, thus making them mediocre. It's like having a lot of Jake Ryans and making them middle linebackers.
I don't think every position coach should be a rising star. You should have a good mix of excellent position coaches--if they want to be promoted beyond that you let them do it elsewhere--and up-and-comers you steal from lesser programs and ride on their way to greater things. We had a lot of the former, and way too few of the latter except at DB (which is what Carr knew best).
|6 days 19 hours ago||I had to do it||
fixed the spelling, and then while i was in there I put a youtube.
|6 days 19 hours ago||I had to do it||
fixed the spelling, and then while i was in there I put a youtube.
|1 week 1 day ago||Not the only school this||
Not the only school this happens at. FSU seems to have been particularly bad of late, but I don't know if they're just under the microscope because of Winston.
Similar thing happened at MSU--cops were supposed to be cool, then couldn't take it anymore--and that set off the chain of events that led to Smoker's dismissal.
MSU isn't the only school in the Big Ten where that happens.
|1 week 1 day ago||Coasting means everything is||
Coasting means everything is going smoothly.
|1 week 1 day ago||This guy||
And Les would be the OL coach under Herman. After Harbaugh retains Hoke as DL coach and Mattison at LBs and Lloyd Carr comes back to coach the secondary, they'll pry Dantonio out of East Lansing to be DC. Urban Meyer will be OC; if he doesn't take the job then we offer it to Mullen.
All of that could happen. And Braxton Miller STILL isn't coming here.
|1 week 1 day ago||You can lose money off of||
You can lose money off of college basketball players too.
Not just this post; the spammers saw our numbers rocket upwards during the Brandon events and have been hitting us hard.
|1 week 2 days ago||Joe got the week off because||
Joe got the week off because no football game this week. But we're talking about making that a more regular series. I miss it too. I mean to make the caveman steaks next week.
|1 week 2 days ago||The Wheelan quote pretty much||
The Wheelan quote pretty much says it. UNC will fix it and the NCAA will issue something silly like games that happened didn't happen or whatever.
|1 week 2 days ago||They play Saturday. Wanted to||
They play Saturday. Wanted to get in the more fun league even though M's not in it.
|1 week 2 days ago||93-47 dick.||
|1 week 3 days ago||Larry Foote's Comments About Michigan Football||
|1 week 3 days ago||We were talking about 2012.||
We were talking about 2012. At Minnesota after the Bellomy game. You're talking about "Fritz"
|1 week 3 days ago||He's only telling you about||
He's only telling you about the 2nd half. There was a first half that was mostly "oh crap we're gonna lose to Minnesota oh crap we're gonna lose to Minnesota" and that might have been the case until Minnesota left Dileo all alone and Gardner did his Benny Hill thing then actually found the open guy (!!!!)
Mr. Burns photo ensued then Michigan won handily. But until that point...man.
|1 week 3 days ago||Google Alerts only covers||
Google Alerts only covers stuff that's posted.
|1 week 3 days ago||Right decision. Once in||
Right decision. Once in awhile if there's a REALLY good response in the thread we're losing, I'll transpose it. That means putting it in, changing the name of the poster, and copying over the timestamp.
|1 week 3 days ago||It was not a knee-jerk||
It was not a knee-jerk reaction. We were getting almost daily posts from him, then people see the thread posted about what Henson said, and say they heard it on MGoBlog that... and I had to make a call. Before doing so, I tried to have a conversation with him on Twitter (and BiSB chimed in as well), and it was that conversation, where Henson demonstrated he clearly didn't know the first thing about credibility and sourcing, that made the decision easy.
The problem with Henson is he posts EVERYTHING his sources tell him, with no context or filter except what Henson wants to happen. It's also who the sources are. Around Michigan there are sources, and then there's the low-hanging fruit: some former players with strong opinions, a couple of big donors, and then some HS coaches around the Midwest whose players get recruited and hear "things." I personally don't spend a lot of time cultivating sources--most who want their thing known email Brian not me--so I have a fair sense of the people who REALLY want to share something, because I end up CC'ed on the thing to Brian that Brian doesn't post. A lot of what Henson's posting is stuff that we don't put up because we can tell rigth off that it has no good basis.
The guy is a rumormongerer, as designed to promote himself via threads on message boards as Drew Sharp is. We're not gonna play along.
I didn't use the insta-ban rule like I did for Ace Williams posting. People are welcome to throw Henson's crap into threads, e.g. the one about Foote's comments. But no threads just for Henson rumors, because Henson rumors are a dime a dozen and don't meet any reasonable standard of credibility.
|1 week 3 days ago||Just gonna put this here.||
Just gonna put this here. Even the tagger is making statements:
|1 week 4 days ago||And "D" for the dunces who||
And "D" for the dunces who believe it!
I wish I could have met Doc Losh. It's weird to think before Title IX there just were precious few women around the athletic department at all.
|1 week 4 days ago||It Seems Larry Hasn't Read Gregg Henson's Latest||
nor should you.