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Perry was 1st on the depth chart at slot receiver out of fall practice. Play him.
Newsome worked his way up to 6th OL and was expected to start at LT this season, plus be of help in important games last year because in Harbaughffense 6th OL plays you. Play him.
Cole was 2nd on the depth chart at slot and 4th outside. When he proved he couldn't hack it they were getting a medical on him. Then he smoked his way out of the program. Still no problem with how they handled him.
Higdon was redshirting until Drake Johnson got hurt. At that point they hadn't found a running back so they gave the kid a shot to have a Hart career. Since RBs get used up and you always have a pile of them I was fine with that.
- Kinnel was actually ahead of Dymonte at points and seemed likely to start as soon as 2016. Even so they waited a couple of games to burn the redshirt. I thought that was more prudent than I expected them to be, and was fine with it.
|17 hours 4 min ago||Florida was not a very tough||
Florida was not a very tough offense.
|1 day 8 hours ago||Not even a comparison.||
Not even a comparison. Patriots.
If GS goes out it'll be more like the 1996 Red Wings.
|1 day 22 hours ago||The kinds of things you point||
The kinds of things you point out to lay folk in an article like this are not at all helpful to an opponent. This is all elementary. The coaches go into way more detail at coaching clinics that everyone goes to.
That is especially true for this article. Brown defends this about the same way Dantonio and most everybody does. I even showed you how the three basic things defenses do are the same exact things he wrote in his playbook. You tell Urban Meyer that Michigan recruited a high-acceleration, highly intelligent future WDE as a spread beater and he'll be like "Uh, well darn, I guess we have to play football." Might as well point out to the political campaigns that this ad or that is trying to excite the base. It's like Duh.
|1 day 23 hours ago||Shuffle by the DE made the||
Shuffle by the DE made the handoff not a sure thing. Quarterbacks will naturally trust themselves more than their RBs. One of the things that made Pat White so effective is he would really let the play develop.
|1 day 23 hours ago||I thought so too until Rich||
I thought so too until Rich Rod corrected someone else who thought that. Lemme try to find the quote.
|2 days 21 hours ago||THIS sunday? I don't think||
THIS sunday? I don't think all the articles will even be in. In fact I'm almost sure they won't be.
(they were due a month ago but, you know...)
July 4 weekend for kickstarter backers is the goal. PDF version of the actual book will come out before that for kickstarter backers. I'll have a digital edition on Kindle and iBooks soon after.
|2 days 23 hours ago||Take this as my opinion,||
Take this as my opinion, though one formed by now 8 years of being in the same business: Sam and Steve are vastly underpaid.
Sam makes most of his living off of WTKA. Lorenz ought to have a nicer house than me. The subscription model is about equal to the be the biggest site and sell ads model as far as bringing in dollars. The reason 247 and Scout are able to kick ass right now is because they have the best players under contract for far less than they're worth.
|2 days 23 hours ago||Since we've been||
Since we've been self-publishing:
2012: Denard Robinson
2013: Taylor Lewan
2014: Jake Ryan
2015: Jim Harbaugh
Until last year we always had a current athlete. As WD noted, every publication that covers collegiate athletics puts players on their covers. The fair use argument for using a photo of a person you are writing about is on extremely sound footing. HTTV will have Jabrill on the cover as long as I'm the editor of it.
As for the Kickstarter image, let's just say I don't have any relationship with Disney, so if they decide they have a problem with it I won't hold back.
|3 days 22 hours ago||Typically if I see a||
Typically if I see a political bumper sticker on your car I will think less of you. But there's a guy in my neighborhood with a '72 vette and a vintage McGovern-Shriver sticker on it. I thought that was pretty cool.
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|5 days 16 hours ago||I think the argument is||
I think the argument is football is worth it. I think you have to weigh the pros vs the likely cons. It's not just head injuries--football players deal with injuries their whole lives after. They're also generally more successful in life because of the things football instills in you. It's a decision that should be made with all the information, and on an individual basis, and made from scratch at every level, because those risks increase with each step.
|5 days 19 hours ago||Oh they're still around, but||
Oh they're still around, but they're hanging out in the Hail to the Victors team previews these days:
If you want 'em you've got one week to get them.
|6 days 10 hours ago||To catch you up I wrote an||
To catch you up I wrote an article last year on redshirting decisions at UM dating back to the 1993 class (data are here) and Lanknows argued some in the comments then wrote a full diary, so I fisked that in Dear Diary and then we got into it in the comments again.
Original is here: http://mgoblog.com/content/h4-burned-redshirts-order-argh
To summarize the better parts of arguments as I understood them, Lanknows said there's value in not auto-redshirting because of competition, and I agreed; and he said there's value in getting snaps if you're going to play soon and I agreed; and he said clearing out players faster gets you more recruiting opportunities and I disagreed.
At this point we are just really arguing about what to do with the players who aren't going to get many snaps and aren't going to affect more than 1 or 2 plays a year. And not QBs or OL. Like we'd probably disagree on EMB this year--I don't think he's arguing for Brandon Peters to play this year, and I already said in this article that at least two of the receivers ought to play.
To the first two points I said that's a value judgment you make on an individual basis and I think he agreed. To the last point, I said a redshirt is an option you can only exercise once, so there's value in retaining it as an asset. If you get to Year 5 and the guy can't play, you can send him off with a handshake and offer the next worst player on your recruiting radar.
So that's where we went off the rails. I had an exhaustive list of 5th year seniors who contributed, and he wouldn't accept the stock option analogy, and that took 40 rounds. I do think this is the first time he's brought Urban Meyer's honesty into the equation.
There's one more point he should have made, which is a 5th year guy is usually able to grad transfer, so when you make your decision on cashing in your asset remember he could potentially leave and play immediately for anyone else that year. But that's a rarity. Usually if you have a 5th year player in line to start and you're still the guy coaching him, he's going to play for you.
|6 days 11 hours ago||I didn't disagree with any of||
I didn't disagree with any of Harbaugh's redshirts last year. Did you? I mean:
Often a coach's first class will play early because of greater attrition and getting guys he wants to fulfill a certain role, and this was conservative by the standards of the last three Michigan coaches. They got redshirts on Malzone, Gentry, Wheatley, Ulizio, Runyan, S.Johnson, R.Jones, Washington, and even the kicker, Andrew David. They even got a redshirt on Shane Morris! And when Brian Mone was available for Florida (and chomping at the bit to play vs OSU) they held him out then too so he'd get his full medical year.
I can't complain about any of those decisions. Newsome maybe a little more now that he had such an awful spring game but it's not fair to use my perceptions from now when at the time I thought it made sense.
|6 days 11 hours ago||Well shit if Urban Meyer says||
Well shit if Urban Meyer says a thing it must be true, even if he immediately belied it.
|6 days 15 hours ago||I'm not going 40 rounds with||
I'm not going 40 rounds with you on redshirts again. You are still wrong:
|1 week 5 days ago||40 frames hast the moment of||
40 frames hast the moment of zen.
|1 week 5 days ago||Brandon was fully embraced in||
Brandon was fully embraced in the middle of the losing, when he pimp-handed the NCAA. We started getting very loud noises coming from inside the department before 2011, but around the time of The Process, opinion had begun to shift on Brandon.
Even before that, in 2010, Brandon wanted to move Michigan-Ohio State to midseason. The idea made it rain angry emails, and Brandon fired back the first of the responses that ultimately ruined him. He floated that awful cartoonish mascot. He played Pump Up the Volume over the band. He scheduled Appalachian State.
This is all in 2011, before the team had played a down under Brady Hoke. If App State was the shift point in public opinion on Dave Brandon, you can't really argue it was about the winning. By the time Michigan finally ended Ohio State's streak, we'd already gone to war.
|1 week 5 days ago||Yes and no. The guys who get||
Yes and no. The guys who get that info, particularly Lorenz and Sam, are what's valuable, not the sites themselves. If the subscription model collapsed, we'd snatch those guys up and print the same stuff for free.
I ran into TomVH yesterday and we talked about how different the business is today than when we both got started here. Blogs used to be on the outside looking in, and every site was out there trying to outdo each other in the tiny morsels that fell to them.
Now it's an ongoing conversation as we try to piece the puzzle together from all these different sources, with the subscription sites still publishing whatever they brought to the table, but with better insight into what it means, and a better shot at ferretting out the bogus stuff. Rivals hired both guys we ever tried to give Tom's beat, but by not competing in that sphere we don't have to compete for info, so we get all of it.
So today it's less like the old journalism model and more like colleagues in an academic field, where the archaeologists are publishing their findings and the professors write secondary sources, but everyone (or most everyone) is talking behind the scenes to get it right. If you're a serious student of that field, you pay to get at the primary sources. If you're casual, you download the podcast, which inevitably makes you desire more info so you buy the primary sources. I think it worked out better for everyone, except those who decided to keep going it alone.
|2 weeks 1 day ago||We're aware but can't fix. It||
We're aware but can't fix. It works on the mobile app apparently
|2 weeks 1 day ago||moved up because we were getting thin||
We are getting thin so I'm moving the response up here.
What if Michigan was discovered by Ponce de Leon
Southern schools would benefit too from satellite camps. FSU should hold them in Ohio and LA and Houston, or join another big time program who does. If the SEC was smart they'd band together and do a satellite tour of their own, and drag ESPN along for the ride. Just because there's more per capita talent in the south that hardly means all the football is there; not even half of it is.
If's are dangerous--demographics and economics and history put things where they are. That said, if you transported Ann Arbor to Jacksonville, it still comes with Jim Harbaugh, and he'd almost certainly be pushing satellite camps as well, because Michigan still has more money and a harder working coach, and satellite camps are one way to use those things to Michigan's advantage. He'd still have a camp in Saban's backyard.
Don't forget one of the biggest and oldest satellite camps in the country is Sound Mind Sound Body, which is a camp Michigan and Michigan State put together. This didn't start as a raid on Southern talent; satellite camps have been a Michigan thing for awhile. What turned them into a national issue was James Franklin dabbling his toes in the "we don't take kindly" region, and Harbaugh blowing the doors off. To the rest of Americans, selling your thing elsewhere in America is just America: state to state, no papers. At the core of the issue, there's nothing here except the South is offended at the idea of fancy pants (or ahem Wal-Mart khakis) carpetbaggers comin' down and pilfering their precious footballers. In MI America, that happens because you deserve it.
The relative value of the status quo to Florida
Why should Michigan care if the value of satellite camps are higher to Michigan than, say (using an example we probably both hate) Florida? Fuck Florida. Michigan wants to beat Florida for recruits, stomp 'em in bowls, and oh yeah we play them soon too. This is a competition, not a beautillion ball (I actually don't know how beautillion balls work so I may be totally wrong about that).
The "relative" value is that Florida merely exists in closer proximity to more talent than Michigan. Florida relatively benefits from a system in which you can only hold camps within 50 miles of your campus, because they have a wealthy 50 mile radius. Florida also relatively benefits from a rule that states only Florida can have camps, period.
Those relative values are meaningful only to Florida. That is why Michigan's argument for satellite camps is all about what the players benefit.
Mere proximity doesn't give Florida a right to first dibs. If Michigan holds a camp at Disney World and runs off with Mickey and Minnie's son, well, Michael Mouse Jr. goes to a better school that was a better fit, Michigan gets a better player than the scholarship would otherwise have gone to, and boo hoo Florida has one less spot in their class filled.
It's all the same whether Michigan or Florida gets better at football, but Florida's advantage happens to coincide with the players' disadvantage, while what Michigan wants and what the players want are in alignment. Nobody cares, Florida. Nobody cares, Michigan. The players benefit from the camps; that's what matters.
No Papers vs. Freeze's summer vacation
When you say "current model" it's unclear what other model you are talking about. There's the one Hugh Freeze put forth where you can invite sub-Power 5 schools but not Power 5 schools, but that again just cuts off the value to the players, and serves only the interest of regional schools afraid they won't be the local kids' only choice. So there are two models without banning satellite camps: the AMERICA I WILL BUY A WINNEBAGO AND DRIVE STATE TO STATE NO PAPERS? NO PAPERS. model, and the THINK OF HUGH FREEZE'S CHILDREN model. If there's another, by all means propose it.
As for proliferation, you just saw how that works when Rutgers called Ohio State and tried to hold a camp the same day as Michigan's in NJ. Result: the parents are pissed. That is not ideal, and since the sensitivity of those parents matters to the schools tha puts a cap on how many camps can be held. As markets do, this will settle out, probably with Michigan in good position for being the early adopter, and whatever school figures out how to make them more valuable for the players also in good position.
Money is not equal, nor does it have to be
The free market isn't perfect, but it should remain the default. What needs defending is not the liberty to spend your money on stuff you want--freedom is the base assumption, and any limitation on freedom has to have a much better reason than protecting unfair advantages in the status quo.
I'm already tiptoeing around politics here by talking about free markets and such, but the general American consensus when it comes to buying stuff with your money is you can buy whatever you want until it affects the rights of another. If the result of Michigan spending what Florida can't afford is that Michigan finds more kids who wanted to go to Michigan, okey dokey. You're allowed to use money to compete.
I will be the first to admit that college football is royally unbalanced. Eastern Michigan has a 0.00000% chance of ever winning the national title they nominally compete with Alabama for every year. There are only a handful of elites sitting on ungodly gobs of money, and a bunch more bourgeosie spending themselves to bankruptcy to keep up the fiction that they're also nobility.
By your own admission, satellite camps aren't going to change that. What they do is provide a small advantage for a super wealthy school with a coach willing to put in the time. Effect on the market: nil. Eastern Michigan remains Eastern Michigan.
What's Best for College Football (read: Hugh Freeze's kids)
When you get into "what's best for college football" are you asking what is best for parity? Because Michigan has a gap to close with Ohio State, Alabama, and an unfair disadvantage with a host of other schools because we have a compliance department that's actually functional (I won't claim perfect, but it's closer to that than to Ole Miss).
This may seem off topic, but we're talking about the same regulatory body here. If the NCAA was the EPA, they'd be letting coal-fired power plants ignore all the laws on the books, then hammering a solar company for giving away free solar panels to coal power customers. Different issues, certainly, but coal and solar are competing for the same electric bills, and the arbitrary enforcement is changing the dynamics of the market for reasons unrelated to the public good.
What's best for the majority of D-I schools is access to a wider pool of talent. That's why the SEC had to play Floridian politics to get the ban passed, and why it got overturned entirely by a body that usually rubber-stamps such things. There's only a small minority of flagship state schools in talent-rich states who are better off if they could prevent access to out-of-state schools. They happen to be the same schools spittin' coal dust and telling the rest of us to choke on it, so fuck 'em.
College football is totally fine as long as they can put it on TV and keep the money (a whole different argument). In fact it is more than fine. It is so spectacularly awesome right now that small schools dump most of their other men's teams then charge fees to their students to have way more college football than they should be able to afford.
Work in JULY? What is this, America?
As for the coaches who have to work harder because June and July is suddenly part of the "recruiting calendar", those are the same guys who have been the primary beneficiaries of all this wealth. I just wrote an article about how ludicrous it was that Texas A&M offered Bo a quarter of what is now average for a mid-major head coach. Assistants even make over $1 million.
The kids themselves would prefer satellite camps to any other part of the recruiting process. You spoke earlier here about blue chips not wanting to attend. You probably don't know many blue chips. Those I know are all manically competitive. They got to be the elites because they can stretch their talent further. Jourdan Lewis is one of the best corners in the country, and he was a 4-star as a high schooler, but he got that 4 stars by going to camps and competing his ass off. The camps aren't just about the 2017 kids--they are often the place where a sophomore or junior gets noticed for the first time.
I'll let you fall on your sword when the 5-stars do show up to camps, but once again Donovan Peoples-Jones, one of the best WRs in his class who could go anywhere, was the recruit at the center of the player movement to overturn the ban.
What the satellite camps replace are the 7-on-7's that have been proliferating since the 1990s. Those are run by often less than savory dudes, and the coaching instruction is sub par. Power 5 coaches are some of the best in the country, comparable only to the NFL guys, and then a lot of the NFL coaches are long removed from when they had to spend a majority of their time drilling fundamentals. They're who are setting the demand for these things, and any restrictions have to first demonstrate that they're not just screwing those kids out of something there's no reason they shouldn't have.
Don't be shortsighted
Your faux concern for Michigan's ROI is well noted. Thank you for caring. What is the address of your place of business so we can send the thank you for caring card?
I admit I have an ulterior motive for wanting your address: if you happen to work for a tradeable company I may want to short your stock, since you don't seem to have put much thought into long-term investment or real value.
You harped on 50% (give or take) of every championship team being built of 4- and 5-stars..."blue chips." First of all who's to say that 15-year-old DE throwing his barely pubescent body at registered voters won't be Rashan Gary in a few years?
Second: JUST FIFTY PERCENT! Where's the other half of your team going to come from? Recruiting stars matter in the aggregate but they also have a huge margin of error. Highlight reels don't show inconsistency, or problem areas. The sites tend to rate guys with early growth spurts who went to THEIR camp higher, then forget to adjust much. Very successful coaches routinely say stars don't matter because coaches don't have the luxury of being half as wrong as stars are.
Their evalutations are meticulous, and often they are looking at things that other coaches aren't, for example Josh Uche, a find out of Miami, probably won't be an NFL defensive end, but he excellent skills that translate to being a weapon against college zone reads. Michigan and Florida both needed that badly--if D.J. Durkin hadn't been at Florida before Michigan would never have known about Uche.
Long-term the benefits are immeasurable; that doesn't mean you throw them out. Meeting coaches, meeting young players who may blow up in one or two years, and even if the local 5-star guy doesn't come his best friend the 3-star nose tackle may.
It is, as many satellite camp opponents have noted with cynicism, a sales tour. Actually I'd liken them more to trade shows. I'm certain in the history of American business, some belt-tightening bureaucrat upstairs thought that trade shows should no longer be necessary now that telegraphs exists. This is still wrong. Every year no matter how much you can learn about gadgets and whizpoppers online, and no matter how recognizable their brand may be, General Electric goes all around the country buying up acres of floor space at things shows, half of which they put on themselves. And every time they do so, some local contraptionamawhatsit company asks why GE bothers to spend all that money just in hopes of selling maybe one small contraptionamawhatsit.
GE thanks him for his concern; will you be at WEFTEC, RemTEC, AWWA, A&WMA, IFAT, The Power Show, World of Concrete, Distrubutech, IPPE, Photonics West, PGMA, IPC APEX, AAPEX, RSA, Aviation Week, JEC, Bio Expo, Semicon, Glassbuild, and Power-Gen? Because we're going. In fact I think we shall buy a pickup truck. And drive it State to state. With no papers.
|2 weeks 1 day ago||Thanks for making a||
Thanks for making a case.
Regarding ROI: That's up to the schools. Michigan has more money than it can legally spend, so from Michigan's perspective any time money can be used to an advantage, that's a good thing. If it's super expensive that just means we can do it and other schools can't. $20,000 for one or two contributors that would have otherwise gone to non-contributors? Sold.
Regarding the recruiting calendar: If you ask the players themselves, the #1 thing they like about the recruiting process, normally, are the camps. As much as the NCAA likes to pretend otherwise, these are uber-elites who've dedicated their lives to excelling at this one thing, and the chance to show that off live, as well as get instruction from some of the best coaches in the country (and get a feel for their coaching sytles), is eleventy bazillion times more valuable to them than letters or texts or even in-home meetings. Coaches don't necessary like having to work in the summer, but they long ago stopped making teachers' salaries.
Let's be frank about this: the biggest problem Southern schools have with these camps is it increases the nationalization of recruiting, which does not benefit the schools in closest proximity to the most talent.
|2 weeks 2 days ago||My text string with my mom is||
My text string with my mom is 12% me asking her to turn the f'ing phone sideways when she takes a video.
|2 weeks 2 days ago||I covered this in Dear Diary||
I covered this in Dear Diary when it came out too. Anyway it's awesome so letting the thread stick.
|2 weeks 3 days ago||Blaming the manager in||
Blaming the manager in baseball is like blaming the student manager in football. Yes if he's doing a bad job it can affect the team, but the difference between the best and worst manager in baseball is probably something like a game a year.
|2 weeks 3 days ago||You asked for an example and||
You asked for an example and I gave you the first one off the top of my head. The burden of proof goes both ways and so far I haven't seen you produce one convincing argument other than you "believe" satellite camps are worthless.
if you can build a case for why satellite camps are not worth the effort expended on them, do so, because the world is already operating as if they are, and you've been provided ample evidence for why that is. It's high time you offered some.
|2 weeks 4 days ago||Yes dude and you are done now||
He was a QB before the spread had taken root. Next time I talk to him I'll get the full story but the gist is Michigan found him by attending a camp in Pennsylvania and decided to offer then figure out his position later. His ratings climbed over the course of his senior season due to an electric highlight reel.
I think you've been thoroughly answered now. It's not hard to prove that scouting is important in recruiting, or that seeing players in person helps in their recruitment. I have a strong sense now that you came in here hoping to have an argument for your position, not test its validity. I think you should stop now since your horse is good and dead.
|2 weeks 5 days ago||Steve Breaston.||
|2 weeks 5 days ago||"It all helps" answers it.||
"It all helps" answers it. Every rep in practice isn't the one that locks in the muscle memory that is triggered to win The Game. But every rep could be. Satellite camps expand the pool of players they evaluate and have personal interactions with, including the blue chips. Michigan has gotten camp commits as long as there have been camps. Plenty of them were contributors. The value of this isn't hard to prove, short or long term.
In the short term it also got the SEC and some other schools we compete with to look like lazy anti-student fools. The Big Ten and Harbaugh especially will get to hold that episode over their heads for years. Think Donovan Peoples-Jones feels the same way about the SEC after his mom wrote the petition to reverse their rule?
|2 weeks 5 days ago||it all helps.||
it all helps.