Mike Lantry, 1972
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- 4 years 36 weeks
- General Admission sucks. If the goal was to get students into their seats on time, it failed. Miserably. It didn't have the intended effect, and it seems to have pissed all the students off. I know I'd be pissed off about it if I had student season tickets. I'll never defend GA; I never have.
- "Lower prices" is not the answer, if prices are such that now, students regularly show up late or not at all, after having paid whatever they pay. That tells me (tells the world and more important the marketplace) that student tickets are not dear enough. Students who own those tickets treat them like they had little value. Look around the Stadium, where civilian season ticket holders have paid full price plus a seat license and they are in their seats, on time, every week, whether it is Eastern, Western, or Appalachian.
- I am not going to debate the quality of the home schedule. I'd like it if our home schedule had Notre Dame, Stanford and Oregon every year. But it doesn't, and while the quality of the home schedule may have depressed overall demand, you don't see alumni and PSD-payers showing up en masse in the 2nd Quarter, or missing 15% of the games as a group. The pathetic student showing in Michigan Stadium can't be blamed on the schedule.
- I continue to assert that Stadium gate security is the worst bottleneck for students. (And many others.) The entry gate (Gate 10) where most students enter after having walked down Hoover to Greene, is atrocious.
- Why not cut down on the number of student tickets? Every seat that doesn't go to a student, will go to a civilian who will pay more, plus a PSD. Sell student tickets to the hard-core interested ones. I don't mind if people think, "I'd rather watch on a 70" High-def tv..." (Those poor suffering, impoverished students; I guess a Pell grant can buy a nice tv!) Free-thinking 'Muricans have a right to do as they please. But if you'd rather stay at a party on Hill Street and watch on a high-def tv than use the ticket that is burning a hole in your pocket, I see no reason to sell you a cut-rate seat inside the Stadium. Your ticket didn't cost enough, if that is how you treat it.
|5 hours 8 min ago||StAEE.||
|6 hours 57 min ago||PSD's and donations are a much bigger revenue source...||
...than all of licensing. And (this is amazing to me) bigger than all of television contract revenues.
The University of Michigan Athletic Department owes more, in other words, to season ticket holders, Victors Club members and loyal alumni-donors, than any revenue source you named.
We are owed an explanation; what do we get, for our ever-increasing prices for tickets and seat licenses? I don't see anything. Sure, we compete with the Ohio States and the Alabamas and the Notre Dames. And they are all spending more. It is an arms race. To what end? I could not possibly care less about the NFL, or producing NFL-ready players. All I want is the traditional spectacle of college football.
I'd rather not participate in anything that looks like NFL Jr. A tv contract is meaningless to me, as a season-ticket holder. Merchandising is a silly sidelight. TV and merchandising might interest me, if it meant holding down ticket prices and PSD's. But it doesn't seem to work that way. I'm paying for an arms race with other schools, to produce a "product" I'm not so sure I even like all that much.
|8 hours 39 min ago||Thank God for the Ivy League...||
...showing us what collegiate athletics ought to be. Real student-athletes.
But seeing the tensions with Amaker (whom I always liked) and Harvard and the Ivy League, competitively, demonstrates just how hard it is to maintain a world of student-athleticism when the pressure is to cut corners on academics and study time.
I say for the umpteenth time: if you are ever at an event where David Brandon is speaking (alumni groups, U of M Club meetings, Victors Club functons) ask him what he is doing, this year, in connection with other AD's, to reduce costs and spending on athletics. It's a question that could well be put to all of higher education, but that's for another forum. I'd like to hear an entire speech from Brandon on the subject of the future of Michigan's Athletic Department budget. Will the budget always continue to expand? If so, where is the money going to come from?
|1 day 6 hours ago||What is shocking to me, in looking over the AD financials...||
...is how little Michigan makes, off of licensed apparel deals. If anybody thinks that Michigan is getting rich off of all of these stupid little uniform tweaks, think again.
I don't think it is worth it. At least not to Michigan. Maybe adidas is getting some coin out of the deal.
By its own accounting, roughly 5% of Athletic Department revenues come out of all licensing. Compare that, to 22% from PSD's and other individual giving.
|1 day 7 hours ago||adidas||
More "template" uniforms. It's the worst trend in collegiate sports. Letting the manufacturers dictate template designs, into which they force schools under contract.
Indiana, I presume, said "No" to this. They have a classic, iconic basketball uniform that they regard as emblematic of the brand of Indiana basketball. I am guessing that they have decided not to compormise it.
No To "Wolverines." Are we "the anti-mascot school"? I kind of hope so.
It seems to me that the most handsome and most-admired basketball uniforms in recent years were the designs from last year where someone had the brilliant idea to go back to Michigan's basic, simple, classic design from the 1960's and early 1970's:
|1 day 8 hours ago||Back in 1985, the New Yorker on Joe Dumars' draft day:||
For subscribers to the New Yorker, there was a very cool writeup in the Talk of the Town section on Joe Dumars' own draft day back in 1985:
Quite revealing; a worthwhile short read.
|1 day 8 hours ago||What a depressing thread.||
What a depressing thread.
This is why college basketball, despite being a thrilling game to watch (much better than the NBA) and having a wonderful climax to the season with the 64+ team tournament, is so much less compelling to me now than in past decades.
College basketball is reduced to being a developmental league. It's too bad, because the game has so much going for it. You have to work at it, to screw up college basketball. They are definitely working at it.
|2 days 2 hours ago||WHAT?||
When did THAT happen? Don't try to tell us that Taylor Lewan called the woman's cell phone and issued any "indirect threat" to her. Because I don't think that happened at all.
|2 days 9 hours ago||I can pretty easily imagine Coaches Schembechler and Knight...||
in the same athletic department. Kindred spirits. The synergy would be fantastic.
But at Wisconsin?
Barry Alvarez must have some great stories; the clash of a major athletics department and the culture in Madison. On paper, I should have all kinds of reasons to hate Alvarez. A resume that runs through all of our rivals; Nabraska, Iowa, Notre Dame. I presume that Alvarez would like nothing better than to beat Michigan, in basically everything.
But what he has done in Madison is pretty astonishing. He's built success and stability. He's done well in fundraising. Their programs have few blemishes. They seem to be having fun in Madison.
Maybe the administrators in Madison learned from Michigan; to just leave athletics to the athletics guys.
|2 days 9 hours ago||Exactly...||
Frieder, schooled by Johnny Orr in one of many great Michigan matchups in the NCAA. The whole Big Ten nearly collapsed in the NCAA tourney that year, after an amazing year in the conference. IU lost early, Purdue lost early, Michigan was upset by Johnny Orr and Iowa State and only Jud Heathcote's Spartans made it as far as the Sweet Sixteen.
Michigan has an unfortunate history in the NCAA tournament. The great Dave Strack teams with Cazzie Russell ran into the dawn of the John Wooden era at UCLA. (And, I think, Bill Bradley's Princeton team.) There was Frieder, running into Johnny Orr. And Steve Fisher running into the late Hank Gathers' Loyola Marymount team. We have an unfortunate way of bumping into a lot of NCAA legends.
|3 days 1 hour ago||Well there is a lot of truth in what you say.||
No one ever went broke understimating the insight of sports fans. For many of them, nothing matters except winning.
Of course Urban Meyer walked into a team with a future Big Ten Conference Player of the Year at QB, and Rodriguez inherited Saline High School's QB.
|3 days 2 hours ago||It never occurred to me before...||
...that Avant did that in his old hometown of Chicago. That is, if a kid from the South Side could ever regard the north shore in Evanston as his hometown. Anyway, a real nice time and place to do that.
Probably my favorite player coming out of all of the years of Coach Carr's coaching tenure.
|3 days 2 hours ago||On Twitter, regarding the NCAA proposal...||
...I think that the larger national perspective is that Rodriguez was speaking truth to power and was being smart about it. Most people I saw seemed to think that Rodriguez was right. Rodriguez's own perspective about the way that the NCAA had failed to alert anyone to discussion about the possible rule change was as informative as it was powerful in calling the NCAA to account.
By most measures I am familiar with, he's doing a good job in Arizona. He put a team on the field last year that was probably as good as Michigan. His recruiting out of Tucson is also comparable to Michigan: 2014 team recruiting -- Rivals AZ #28 (Michigan #31); Scout AZ #30 (Michigan #27); 247Sports AZ #31 (Michigan #20).
It really is interesting how smooth the coaching transition turned out to be in Columbus, compared to Ann Arbor. I wondered why; it occurred to me that the Rodriguez loyalists weren't the outlier. It was the Rodriguez-haters. There is simply no corollary in Columbus, to the Rodriguez-haters in Ann Arbor. They love them some Urban Meyer for sure, but it is never at the expense of Coach Tressel. Jim Tressel still has a considerable wellspring of support throughout Ohio, Columbus and the Ohio State University.
|3 days 3 hours ago||Too bad Rodriguez wasn't as deft at handling the press as...||
Brady ("family matter") Hoke.
I mean, really. I like Brady Hoke as much as the next Michigan fan. Nobody thinks Brady isn't a good guy. Certainly, I have little doubt about Brady's being a wonderful, decent, caring, straight-up guy with his players.
But so was Rodriguez, wasn't he? I've never heard any different. I think his guys loved him. His Michigan seniors weren't very happy about his discharge.
Anyway; you seem to be making a point that it is all about handling the press and creating a public persona. And this year has not been a kind one for Brady Hoke on that front.
|4 days 2 hours ago||So you want the AD to sell students tickets...||
...at reduced student prices, and then make it real easy for those students to turn them around on the open market, for market prices?
We have student sections for a reason. A couple of reasons, actually. First, there are a lot of students who want to go and who will show up on time, etc. The Athletic Department wants to give them a deal, to do just that. Second, we all want a student section in the Stadium. Yell, make noise, get rowdy, show a Maize bloc, etc. It is part of the spectacle.
If students want to make a case that they should be able to buy single-game tickets, and not be cornered into purchasing season tickets, I'd be willing to listen. But student tickets, sold at a discount, should not be resold on the open market. That is an insult to people who paid full-fare plus a PSD.
|4 days 3 hours ago||Um...||
...for University of Michigan undergarduates, do we have to allow not only alcohol sales, but underage alcohol sales?
I don't wish to be too harsh; the drinking age was 18 when I matriculated. Seems to me that a worthy campus protest might be to lower the drinking age. But maybe before that happens, your cohort will succeed in legalizing marijuana. That will no doubt help with everything.
|4 days 3 hours ago||Let me see if I can summarize.||
So; I have a mixture of sympathy and contempt for the students. The ones who show up ought to be treated better. Better gate access; no more GA. The ones who don't show up ought to be weeded out of the ticket market.
|5 days 5 hours ago||Self-parody.||
Meanwhile, the SEC just goes along, being parrot-y.
|1 week 21 hours ago||Congress didn't issue the April 2011 "Dear Colleague" letter.||
The Obama Administration, through its appointee did that. The equivalent of a "phone and a pen." That's how that works.
|1 week 1 day ago||I was speaking in hyperbole, to meet the previous post.||
You stated it far better, and I couldn't agree more. Well said.
|1 week 1 day ago||Michigan had such a policy, and procedure, in 2009.||
Under explicit direction from Assistant Secretary Russlynn H. Ali in April of 2011, the University felt compelled to re-craft its policy.
And under what seems to be urgent pressure from that same Office of Civil Rights within the Department of Education, and in apparent response to a complaint from "the Washtenaw Watchdog," the University took further action after a lapse in time of about four years.
Law. Ha ha.
|1 week 1 day ago||And to be sure...||
...the Auburn/Joshua Strange case was not a football case. Josh was a 'civilian' student. It might have been even more interesting, had they tried to do what they did to Josh, to Cam Newton.
The only probable relevance of "football" in the Gibbons case, is that Gibbons' status as a football player prompted our ol' buddy Doug Smith to hound him (and the supposed victim, I gather) for the rest of his days in Ann Arbor. Including Smith's personally filing a federal complaint with the OCR.
People will try to make this about "football," when football has almost nothing to do with it.
|1 week 1 day ago||Well, I think the Duke lacrosse case is worth mentioning...||
... but I don't think you've characterized it accurately.
The three indicted players -- Evans, Finnerty and Seligman -- sued Duke and the case was settled in a fashion that leads me to believe that they each got millions. The entire Duke team from '06-'07 sued, and that case also got settled. I think Duke's coach also sued, although they may have settled with him pre-suit.
Reade Seligmann graduated from Emory Law School and is now a clerk for a U.S. District Court Judge.
David Evans went to Wharton, and is now at a venture capital firm.
Collin Finnerty I am not sure about. He was probably the best player of the three, and was the youngest at the time.
|1 week 1 day ago||The standard "SEC" joke fails in this case.||
Because we have Auburn, as I mentioned above.
People need to understand. This isn't a "Football versus Academics" fight. It's not a "B1G Discipline versus SEC Corruption" fight. This is none of those things.
This is all about the current Department of Education Office of Civil Rights flexing its muscles. Ordinarily, as a certifiably-pc institution, the University of Michigan would fall all over itself to comply. That seems to have happened in this case, in fact. It was the same in the Auburn case.
No; this fight is to see how far the federal government can push universities, and at what cost to those unversities. Places like Michigan and Auburn might well say internally, Just do whatever they want. Try to do it before they ask us to do it. That's what the actions say. And just maybe, compared to the federal dollars involved, any lawsuit(s) from a Joshua Strange, or a Brendan Gibbons, are mere afterthoughts.
So in this case, we are indistinguishable from the SEC.
|1 week 1 day ago||That's some very solid Fisking, BiSB.||
I approve. Very nicely done.
Bring on this fight, I say. I hope everybody sues everybody else. Put this in court, where Gibbons' case should have been (or should not have been) from the beginning.
Next leak I am looking forward to; the transcript from the OSCR/OIE proceedings in Gibbons' case. Of course, they should not be leaked. Neither should Gibbon's letter have been leaked to The Michigan Daily. Shit happens, I guess.
It was a leak (defense-side, I presume) of the transcript of proceedings in the Auburn case that led to James Taranto's explosive WSJ column. The transcript revealed what a ludicrous kangaroo court those proceedings had been. With Auburn's assigned hearing panelists stage-whispering questions about what they were supposed to do. (A university librarian was the chairman of the panel. The other members were two students, a Liberal Arts College staffer and a fisheries professor.)
The campus protesters seem to have no idea whatsoever where this is likely to go.
Let the lawsuits commence.
|1 week 1 day ago||Where this is heading...||
My big question: Did the federal government insist on something like expulsion, no matter whether a crime was charged or not?
No need to discuss politics on the MGoBoard here and now. But rest assured that is where this is heading.
|1 week 1 day ago||Congrats. You offended me.||
Just think about these words: "The old guard more often than not needs to be offended..."
More often than not. They need to be offended.
Mission accomplished. I never thought of myself as "old guard" in any particular way. And I remember cheering for Jalen, Chris, Juwan, Jimmy and Ray. But you have offended me, so you've got that going for you.
Just to be clear, I am offended by people who presume to know eyewitness kind of stuff when they weren't there.
I am waiting fo the first non-millenial Michigan fan to come on here and say that they were there, and that they recall some really clear evidence of division, divisiveness or hostility when the Fab Five were playing. I don't see it happening.
"[E]xpose their ignorance" is what you wrote. Lulz. Expose the ignorance of the people who were actually there?
|1 week 1 day ago||Mostly nonsense.||
I was there for the first game where Jalen started and was pretty amazing as a freshman. I was there when they all played together the first time, and I think I was around when they all started together (or at least the first time they all started together in Crisler). There was nothing but enthusiasm and a feeling of novelty. Crisler in those days was no less supportive than if the five of them showed up next weekend.
This myth about the Fab Five facing some sort of wall of prejudice is absolutely ridiculous. If some of their attitudes, statements and behaviors got called out in media stories, it is only because it was worth it to the media to talk about it. That's what the media does.
|1 week 1 day ago||Your own prejudice is revealed...||
...in your assertion -- twice -- that "all the right people" were offended by the Fab Five.
That's really the point. The view that some people need to be offended.
Plain and simple; some of us view the contributions of people like Bob Knight, Knight's protege Mike Krzyzewski, Knight's personal friend Bo Schembechler, Schembechler's mentor Woody Hayes, etc., etc., as infinitely more important to collegiate athletics than the two scandal-tainted years Chris Webber was in Ann Arbor.
|1 week 1 day ago||Knight hated Bill Frieder, because he thought Frieder was dirty.||
And by extension, I think Knight probably had some disdain for Fisher too.
Knight wanted to beat Michigan all the time. But he didn't hate everything about Michigan. As I mentioned, Schembechler and Knight were good friends and under other/different circumstances, Schembechler as AD might well have hired Knight.