Yeah thank god Belein's teams have, ya know, beaten a few good teams in his time here... And oh hey they competed with some elite teams as well. Thank God we're not getting blown out by 20 every single game
It's funny because I'd be willing to bet (if you even follow basketball which is questionable) that you were one of the people last year saying "man wait until darius morris gets older he will be so good."
Also, you should inform Brian of your logic considering that he has been saying all basketball season that he doesn't expect much from the team because they have only 1 junior and 0 seniors starting.
And on second thought, are you really trying to argue that playing corner back isn't as confusing as playing point guard? Point guard is an unbelievably complex position, more complex than corner back for sure. Not that this is even relevant because of my previous response, but for the love of God stop making up pure nonsense to defend your argument. I don't really care if you feel the need to argue this basketball/football claim; if you want to dispute something go ahead and dispute what I said about Brady Hoke being able to field a competitive team at SDSU in year 2
What the hell does physicality have to do with age when you're talking about the difference between 19 and 20? If anything the age argument can be used to say that the younger players don't have as much experience and therefore decision making ability.
And what do you say to the fact that Brady Hoke competed with both #2 or 3 TCU and Missouri in his 2nd year at San Diego freaking State? He had essentially 0 talent in his first year taking over the 2-10 SDSU team, and any talent he brought in was no older than a true sophomore, and most were true freshmen.... Yet he was able to be competitive with strong teams. Quit using this backdoor garbage, made up logic to defend Rich Rod when anyone with a brain (i.e. a majority of college football followers) can admit that he didn't get it done here.
yeah that young michigan basketball team sure looked horrendous vs kansas on sunday.... oh wait, they competed?! Based on Rich Rod apologists I thought it was impossible for a team with sophomores and freshmen to compete with a ranked (let alone #3) team.
I see where you're going with this metaphor... If Rich Rod is the new husband and the upset fans are 'insufferable brats', does that make the 6 blowouts this year the equivalent of the new husband humiliating the stepchildren in public 6 times?
There comes a time in life when you need to just admit you are wrong.
If Beamer had never beaten a ranked team at Va Tech, wasn't in a BCS bowl, had been beaten this bad 6 times in the same season, and had a losing record at Va Tech, then you may have a semblance of a point with your sarcasm... But none of that is true and you are making a fool of yourself. Cut your losses just like Michigan will do with RR this week.
I'll expect you to be calling into MSNBC and Fox News the week before the upcoming presidential election and going off on them for speculating and discussing a week before the decision is made.
Don't lose any sleep when Rodriguez gets fired next week.
If you can watch this team and truly believe they are 1 year away from a big ten championship game, you need to take the iv of blue kool-aid out of your arm... Ridiculous assertion
What the hell else are you going to "clutter the board" with? "OT- What kind of beer are you drinking tonight? LOL"
And how is there no point in speculating when the decision is in a week... Do you get upset when people speculate about the presidential election one week before the actual election? My God is that an awful argument. When the decision is near is when you're supposed to speculate the most.
Bottom line, you're a joke dude. Quit trying to regulate mgoblog as if it belongs to you or something
So what? It's a freaking message board what do you think is going to be posted? If you don't want to talk about it then don't comment, but so long as people are debating it (which is fine) the talk will continue on the boards.
That's a ridiculous request! Why would you think it's acceptable to discuss a potential coaching change for the Michigan Wolverines football team after their bowl game? Do you think thats what message boards are for?
There should be no posts on this Michigan Blog regarding the overwhelming possibility of a coaching change. We will ignore it.
Their jobs are not on the line; the decision has already been made. DB already has a coach lined up or he has decided to keep RR. You don't start a coaching search in January, so if he was going to be fired it wouldn't have anything to do with the Miss St. game.
Like Brian said, you don't start a coaching search on January 2nd. If Rich Rod is going to be fired the decision has already been made.
If Rich Rod is going to stay it is because DB already decided on it based on what he has done thus far; it won't be because the team performs better than Miss St in the Gator Bowl.
Your last statement is the most annoying argument of all. Just because Rich Rod turned Michigan into a rebuilding project because he is so in love with his "scheme", doesn't mean Harbaugh would do the same. Harbaugh is a good football coach, not a scheme coach. He would take the talent he has and make the most of it, and I'd be willing to bet that our turnover margin would improve drastically under Harbaugh after the past 3 years of turnover-mania. RR couldn't find a way to make Mallet, Minor, and others fit into his offense, but I guarantee you Harbaugh would/will fit Denard into his.
8-5 is pretty damn good at Stanford given their stringent academic standards and lack of resources/fan interest. At Michigan, 8-5 in your third year is not nearly as impressive.
Also, Harbaugh only lost 1 game by double digits (10 pt loss) that year. 10 points was Rich Rod's closest loss. Harbaugh's 5 losses were by a combined 32 points, Rich Rod's are by a combined 87 points, and it would be worse if opponents chose to run up the score. Harbaugh also beat a very strong Oregon team that year and a 9-4 USC team. He also beat a very good USC team in his 1st year.
Harbaugh beat more quality teams in his 1st year than Rich Rod has in 3 years, had far less embarrassing losses each year, and had an equal record in his 3rd year, all while at a program where it is MUCH more difficult to build a good team. Can people like you please, for the love of God, stop pretending what Harbaugh did at Stanford is the equivalent of what Rich Rod has done at Michigan... It's ridiculous
1) 8-5 in your third year isn't exactly awe-inspiring. Not terrible, but not good either.
2) 3 losses to 11-1 teams: He had three 11-1 teams on his schedule, and got absolutely crushed by all of them, how is that supposed to be a selling point for him to stay? Not to mention MSU is the most fraudulent 11-1 team in a long long time. There are a large number of teams with lesser records, including 9-3 Alabama, who are much better than 11-1 MSU.
3) The "top 10 offense" has already been covered. Wisconsin, Ohio State, MSU, Penn St, and Iowa all shut down the offense until the game was essentially over. The offense hung a ton of points on awful teams, and got shut down by the above average ones. Was the offense good? Yes. Top 10 in the country? No.
4) How does Denard even factor into this? Sure he is a great player; is bringing in a great player to a program that is easy to recruit at supposed to be something spectacular? And overall on the recruiting front Rich Rod has actually been quite sub-par.
Rethink whether or not you had to throw that out there.
Is beating ND (19-17 record in the past 3 years) 2 out of 3 times supposed to come anywhere near making up for going 0-6 vs OSU and MSU? Especially considering we lost those 6 games by a total of 110 points...
I don't care about him beating notre dame when we have been losing to msu and osu every game by an average of 3 touchdowns for the past 3 years. Since you don't seem to get it... that (among other things) is why I want him fired.
You didn't actually counter one thing he said in his argument. "mgobubble" was a great way of describing your (and many others on this blog's) disillusionment, hilarious.
If you think that there is so much talk about his job security because "he's not a michigan man rabble rabble", and not because he is 0-13 against B10 teams with a winning record, or got blown out by double digits in 5 games in his third year, then you should honestly stop following football.
The hell with whether he "gets our rivalries" or not, just stop getting blown out in them. All you did in your post was 1) make up your own reasons for why people want RR to be fired (reasons that aren't even the true issues that people are complaining about) and then 2) disprove your own made up reasoning and fail to address anything the fire-RR advocator said.
I assure you it is not because he isn't a michigan man, or how he feels about the rivalries, it is because he has turned the program into a national laughing stock for the past 3 years. You just don't realize it because the only football talk you are ever exposed to is the mgobubble.
EDIT: Dahblue mentioned wins and losses as an issue, then addressed recruiting also, and you tried to call him out for it. Do you realize that RR has been awful in both? Just because dahblue is addressing multiple issues that RR has, doesn't mean that he is contradicting himself. Your argument comprehension skills are incredibly awful... yikes.
This year's team went 7-5 while last years went 5-7... the difference? Purdue was fielding almost all 2nd and 3rd stringers, which gave us one extra win. Illinois didn't have Juice WIlliams, who showed last year vs us that he clearly would have been the difference in a 3OT game.
In other games, we got beaten far worse by Mich St, far worse by Iowa, far worse by OSU, and we got beat about equally bad by a PSU team that was nowhere near the level of last yr's PSU team.
For the love of God can we stop acting like this team performed oodles better than the 2009 team because they won 2 more games? Look at the actual body of work and how the games actually transpired. And stop pretending it is irrational to think that RR should be fired. Every single person who follows college football closely (aside from maybe some of the ppl on this blog) would laugh in your face if they heard you talk as if firing Rich Rod isn't a decent option. It makes you sound like an idiot.
Don't refer to Michigan State as "11-1 team" to make your point sound better, refer to them as Michigan State.
Blowing out Michigan State at home does not make Iowa good. Michigan State may be one of the worst 11-1 teams in a major conference in the history of college football. How many 11-1 teams in the Big 10 go to the capital one bowl and are still 10.5 point underdogs.
Michigan State and Mississippi State are actually decently comparable in my opinion. Put Michigan State through MIssissippi State's schedule and if you think they realistically do any better than 8-4 (Miss St's record) then.... well then discussing football with you is a waste of time. So with that comparison, considering Mich St. beat us at home by 17, that brings me back to my original point of Michigan +6 being a very reasonable line. If anything I think Michigan should be getting more points.
We have lost by the top 5 teams we played this year (iowa, psu, osu, msu, wisco) all by double digits. Miss St. is probably better than 3 of those 5 and you want to take Michigan? Interesting.
You really think DB already knows he is keeping Rich Rod but isn't endorsing him just because he thinks donors would be less pissed off if he says it in 4 weeks, at the expense of potentially losing recruits because they don't know what the coaching situation will be next year...
And the fact that you don't realize that that is coaching, especially when turnovers have been happening consistently for 3 years, leads you to your conclusion.
Ask literally any football expert or analyst and they will tell you that well coached teams don't fumble the football often and rarely get a lot of penalties... Michigan has done both under RR. It would be one thing if the turnovers and penalties have been decling, but they haven't.
Now do you have anything that actually counters my argument? Or are you accepting of the fact that people are upset that we looked totally out of place against all 5 somewhat good teams we played this year.
Well I have those negative points because I don't support Rich Rod, and god forbid anyone make a logical argument on Rich Rod possibly not being the right guy. The fact that you judge someone's argument based on their "mgopoints" makes me not care what you said, but...
When you need a "4th quarter comeback" to still lose by 10-20 points, well that sir means you were blown out.
Ok for 1, while MSU is 'ranked' in the top 10, they are clearly not a top 10 team, and most likely not even top 15. If you are going to dispute that please place an even money wager with me on whoever they play in the Citrus Bowl (Alabama or LSU).
Second of all, it's the fact that every above average team we played (including unranked Penn St. and Iowa) had us beat by the 3rd quarter (No, rallying in the 4th quarter to make it semi-close does not count, especially when you still lose by double digits).
We had 5 tries this year to prove ourselves against good teams and we looked like we didn't even belong on the field with any of them; not one of those 5 was even a game going into the 4th quarter. That's the problem.
"Michigan could win its first 10 games next year."
I mean, I guess in a literal sense it is technically possible Michigan starts off 10-0 next year. But that would require beating a NW team on the road that was better than us this year, beating MSU on the road after they crushed us @ home this year (i know they lose a lot this year), beating an illinois team on the road that took us to 30T this year and returns everyone, beating an Iowa team on the road that whooped us at home this year, all while not being upset by ND or Purdue.
So sure we could theoretically start out 10-0 since we don't play Neb or OSU until the last 2 games, but its about equally as likely that we start out 7-3 or 8-2.
And also, don't say he came into a crummy situation as if he walked into Bloomington trying to turn Indiana around. He came to a team that had Mallet, Arrington, Manningham, Minor, and a lot of returning starters on defense. It's his responsibility to get guys like Mallet and Arrington to stay around and to adapt his offense to the team he has. Instead he overhauled the entire offense and put a downhill back like Minor in a spread offense and had immobile quarterbacks run the read option. You can argue that this will help us in the future by giving extra spread experience to some of the younger players, but don't act like Rich Rod came into a situation where there was no talent and a history of losing. He made his own bed by turning it into a complete rebuilding process rather than slowly remodeling the offense and coaching to his team's talents.
How do you figure Demar Dorsey "should've and rightfully so" been a part of our secondary. He was never qualified to attend U of M or play football here, so no he should never have been part of the team. Rich Rod recruited a guy not eligible to play here; that is no one's fault other than Rich Rod's.
J.T. Turner wasn't good.... Donovan Warren didn't want to play for Rich Rod anymore. That's no different than any other player that didn't want to be a part of the team. Troy was an unfortunate loss but I guarantee you he was not the solution to this abortion of a defense.
The justification is that Harbaugh has succeeded in a power conference (sorry the big east does not qualify as such). He did so at Stanford where it is harder to recruit both because of academic standards and resources. Rich Rod did not succeed in a power conference and while he didn't have the resources at WVU, he had much less stringent academic qualifications for his recruits (Demar Dorsey could have played at WVU).
Succeeding in the Big East doesn't nearly correlate to succeeding in the Big 10. Just for the record, this year's Michigan team likely would have won the Big East considering we beat the Big East champion soundly and looked completely superior in doing so. Did you ever think that maybe even Rich Rod's WVU Big East championship teams wouldn't have done so well in the Big 10?
Good football coaches (Harbaugh) coach a football team. RR coaches a scheme.
Just because RR came in and turned Michigan into a rebuilding project doesn't mean that Harbaugh would. There is some talent on the roster and Harbaugh would make the most of it. He has coached both the spread and pro set before so he has shown he can adapt his offense to his talent, something RR couldn't do.
Arguing that Michigan will be irrelevant for 3+ years just because we are switching coaches is a ridiculous and baseless argument.
If you don't see why they wouldn't go 11-1 you should start actually watching the games. I guarantee the Vegas over under on wins for Mich next season will be like 8 or 8.5, so please if RR is still around bet your house on the over.
And the fact that you had to go back to the first of 36 games in RR's tenure to find a game where we even came close to beating a top 25 team illustrates that we have had essentially 0 success vs them. Not to mention any top 25 team in a minor conference is questionable (even though they beat an Alabama team that was disappointed to be there and was hoping to play in the NC).
You forgot about Iowa last year also, but the point still stands that we have been absolutely stomped by almost every good team we've played. So for you to not see how we wouldn't lose to 2 great teams in Nebraska and Ohio State (in addition to not losing any others).... Well maybe you should start following football son.
Was MSU's schedule remotely as hard as Michigan's next year? No.
Unpredictable things happen on occasion but that doesn't mean being realistic about your predictions is wrong, and michigan isn't realistically going to win more than 8 or 9 games.
Glad you couldn't dispute my logic though. Based on your "shut the fuck up" it seems like I really stuck a chord.
Grumble grumble grumble OSU is an exact quote from the nay-sayers. I mean hahaha to anyone who doesn't think a year of experience for this team will change the outcome of the OSU game from an absolute shellacking that was over in the early 3Q into a Michigan victory. They will all be an entire year older!
It would be one thing if we lose to OSU in close fashion, or hell if we lost to any decent team in close fasion, but we have been consistently routed by any above average team we play.
You look at your OMG YARDS argument (ignoring the fact that the biggest knock on the spread is the fact that it constantly stalls inside the 20 once the field is condensed), and ignore the fact that in year 3 this team has not been able to be even remotely competitive with any top team in the B10.
Transfers? Is it not the coach's responsibility to bring in and KEEP players? There isn't a general manager or something that you can blame for this. And people need to stop claiming Demar Dorsey is "bad luck". Is it the admissions offices fault for not being able to admit him? No, it's RR's fault for recruiting a guy that is not qualified to come to Michigan.
Decommitments? WTF? So you're saying it's bad luck that Rich Rod hasn't been able to SECURE commitments from top talent? Uhh....
And one final thing. The fumbles are not random when happening for literally 3 years straight. For example, on Denard's fumble vs OSU he was carrying the ball in his left arm (toward the middle of the field) while running to the right. That is fundamentals, not bad luck. After 2 years with RR he still is making fundamentally poor decisions. Also, Vincent Smith has had fumbling problems all year yet RR continues to play him. Has anyone considered that maybe when you have 10 guys playing who are all 5'8 and 180 lbs that they are going to get lit up by giant B10 linebackers and fumble? Then you have Jeremy Gallon who makes a boneheaded special teams play every game yet continued to return kicks for a majority of the season. How exactly is that bad luck rather than a coach that doesn't focus enough on holding onto the ball and fundamentals?
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Yeah thank god Belein's teams have, ya know, beaten a few good teams in his time here... And oh hey they competed with some elite teams as well. Thank God we're not getting blown out by 20 every single game
we didn't hire him to have steve threet and nick sheridan running read options either... you can ease into a change, believe it or not.
It's funny because I'd be willing to bet (if you even follow basketball which is questionable) that you were one of the people last year saying "man wait until darius morris gets older he will be so good."
Also, you should inform Brian of your logic considering that he has been saying all basketball season that he doesn't expect much from the team because they have only 1 junior and 0 seniors starting.
yep playing cornerback is more complex than playing point guard you're right.
And on second thought, are you really trying to argue that playing corner back isn't as confusing as playing point guard? Point guard is an unbelievably complex position, more complex than corner back for sure. Not that this is even relevant because of my previous response, but for the love of God stop making up pure nonsense to defend your argument. I don't really care if you feel the need to argue this basketball/football claim; if you want to dispute something go ahead and dispute what I said about Brady Hoke being able to field a competitive team at SDSU in year 2
What the hell does physicality have to do with age when you're talking about the difference between 19 and 20? If anything the age argument can be used to say that the younger players don't have as much experience and therefore decision making ability.
And what do you say to the fact that Brady Hoke competed with both #2 or 3 TCU and Missouri in his 2nd year at San Diego freaking State? He had essentially 0 talent in his first year taking over the 2-10 SDSU team, and any talent he brought in was no older than a true sophomore, and most were true freshmen.... Yet he was able to be competitive with strong teams. Quit using this backdoor garbage, made up logic to defend Rich Rod when anyone with a brain (i.e. a majority of college football followers) can admit that he didn't get it done here.
yeah that young michigan basketball team sure looked horrendous vs kansas on sunday.... oh wait, they competed?! Based on Rich Rod apologists I thought it was impossible for a team with sophomores and freshmen to compete with a ranked (let alone #3) team.
Auburn's spread is not the same as the one RR runs.
Are you honestly going to say Northwestern is bottom 2 int he conference?
Northwestern has been better than us 3 years in a row, including this year..
I see where you're going with this metaphor... If Rich Rod is the new husband and the upset fans are 'insufferable brats', does that make the 6 blowouts this year the equivalent of the new husband humiliating the stepchildren in public 6 times?
If the only way you are able to gauge the progress of a team is simply by the number of wins then you must not watch a lot of football...
There comes a time in life when you need to just admit you are wrong.
If Beamer had never beaten a ranked team at Va Tech, wasn't in a BCS bowl, had been beaten this bad 6 times in the same season, and had a losing record at Va Tech, then you may have a semblance of a point with your sarcasm... But none of that is true and you are making a fool of yourself. Cut your losses just like Michigan will do with RR this week.
Brilliant. The user name I made 2 years ago is clearly a reflection of me and my football knowledge.
If I could change my user name I would change it to Welcome_Home_Harbaugh
Bury your head in the sand and ignore everything like a good little ignorant fan. Good day.
I'll expect you
Good one.
I'll expect you to be calling into MSNBC and Fox News the week before the upcoming presidential election and going off on them for speculating and discussing a week before the decision is made.
Don't lose any sleep when Rodriguez gets fired next week.
If you can watch this team and truly believe they are 1 year away from a big ten championship game, you need to take the iv of blue kool-aid out of your arm... Ridiculous assertion
What the hell else are you going to "clutter the board" with? "OT- What kind of beer are you drinking tonight? LOL"
And how is there no point in speculating when the decision is in a week... Do you get upset when people speculate about the presidential election one week before the actual election? My God is that an awful argument. When the decision is near is when you're supposed to speculate the most.
Bottom line, you're a joke dude. Quit trying to regulate mgoblog as if it belongs to you or something
The offense is so "great"... Defense comes out and gets a big stop, big punt return, offense goes 3 and out. Give me a break.
So what? It's a freaking message board what do you think is going to be posted? If you don't want to talk about it then don't comment, but so long as people are debating it (which is fine) the talk will continue on the boards.
That's a ridiculous request! Why would you think it's acceptable to discuss a potential coaching change for the Michigan Wolverines football team after their bowl game? Do you think thats what message boards are for?
There should be no posts on this Michigan Blog regarding the overwhelming possibility of a coaching change. We will ignore it.
Their jobs are not on the line; the decision has already been made. DB already has a coach lined up or he has decided to keep RR. You don't start a coaching search in January, so if he was going to be fired it wouldn't have anything to do with the Miss St. game.
Like Brian said, you don't start a coaching search on January 2nd. If Rich Rod is going to be fired the decision has already been made.
If Rich Rod is going to stay it is because DB already decided on it based on what he has done thus far; it won't be because the team performs better than Miss St in the Gator Bowl.
Dude step away from the kool-aid... wow.
Your last statement is the most annoying argument of all. Just because Rich Rod turned Michigan into a rebuilding project because he is so in love with his "scheme", doesn't mean Harbaugh would do the same. Harbaugh is a good football coach, not a scheme coach. He would take the talent he has and make the most of it, and I'd be willing to bet that our turnover margin would improve drastically under Harbaugh after the past 3 years of turnover-mania. RR couldn't find a way to make Mallet, Minor, and others fit into his offense, but I guarantee you Harbaugh would/will fit Denard into his.
8-5 is pretty damn good at Stanford given their stringent academic standards and lack of resources/fan interest. At Michigan, 8-5 in your third year is not nearly as impressive.
Also, Harbaugh only lost 1 game by double digits (10 pt loss) that year. 10 points was Rich Rod's closest loss. Harbaugh's 5 losses were by a combined 32 points, Rich Rod's are by a combined 87 points, and it would be worse if opponents chose to run up the score. Harbaugh also beat a very strong Oregon team that year and a 9-4 USC team. He also beat a very good USC team in his 1st year.
Harbaugh beat more quality teams in his 1st year than Rich Rod has in 3 years, had far less embarrassing losses each year, and had an equal record in his 3rd year, all while at a program where it is MUCH more difficult to build a good team. Can people like you please, for the love of God, stop pretending what Harbaugh did at Stanford is the equivalent of what Rich Rod has done at Michigan... It's ridiculous
1) 8-5 in your third year isn't exactly awe-inspiring. Not terrible, but not good either.
2) 3 losses to 11-1 teams: He had three 11-1 teams on his schedule, and got absolutely crushed by all of them, how is that supposed to be a selling point for him to stay? Not to mention MSU is the most fraudulent 11-1 team in a long long time. There are a large number of teams with lesser records, including 9-3 Alabama, who are much better than 11-1 MSU.
3) The "top 10 offense" has already been covered. Wisconsin, Ohio State, MSU, Penn St, and Iowa all shut down the offense until the game was essentially over. The offense hung a ton of points on awful teams, and got shut down by the above average ones. Was the offense good? Yes. Top 10 in the country? No.
4) How does Denard even factor into this? Sure he is a great player; is bringing in a great player to a program that is easy to recruit at supposed to be something spectacular? And overall on the recruiting front Rich Rod has actually been quite sub-par.
Rethink whether or not you had to throw that out there.
well this was a good benchmark game and we got absolutely embarrassed, so i don't know what you expect people's reaction to be...
and anyone who thought we were going to be an ncaa tournament team because of the 1st 12 games is an absolute moron.
Is beating ND (19-17 record in the past 3 years) 2 out of 3 times supposed to come anywhere near making up for going 0-6 vs OSU and MSU? Especially considering we lost those 6 games by a total of 110 points...
I don't care about him beating notre dame when we have been losing to msu and osu every game by an average of 3 touchdowns for the past 3 years. Since you don't seem to get it... that (among other things) is why I want him fired.
You didn't actually counter one thing he said in his argument. "mgobubble" was a great way of describing your (and many others on this blog's) disillusionment, hilarious.
If you think that there is so much talk about his job security because "he's not a michigan man rabble rabble", and not because he is 0-13 against B10 teams with a winning record, or got blown out by double digits in 5 games in his third year, then you should honestly stop following football.
The hell with whether he "gets our rivalries" or not, just stop getting blown out in them. All you did in your post was 1) make up your own reasons for why people want RR to be fired (reasons that aren't even the true issues that people are complaining about) and then 2) disprove your own made up reasoning and fail to address anything the fire-RR advocator said.
I assure you it is not because he isn't a michigan man, or how he feels about the rivalries, it is because he has turned the program into a national laughing stock for the past 3 years. You just don't realize it because the only football talk you are ever exposed to is the mgobubble.
EDIT: Dahblue mentioned wins and losses as an issue, then addressed recruiting also, and you tried to call him out for it. Do you realize that RR has been awful in both? Just because dahblue is addressing multiple issues that RR has, doesn't mean that he is contradicting himself. Your argument comprehension skills are incredibly awful... yikes.
stupid arguments like saying that because denard improved that the program/team improved....
Wow... It's about TEAM progress.
This year's team went 7-5 while last years went 5-7... the difference? Purdue was fielding almost all 2nd and 3rd stringers, which gave us one extra win. Illinois didn't have Juice WIlliams, who showed last year vs us that he clearly would have been the difference in a 3OT game.
In other games, we got beaten far worse by Mich St, far worse by Iowa, far worse by OSU, and we got beat about equally bad by a PSU team that was nowhere near the level of last yr's PSU team.
For the love of God can we stop acting like this team performed oodles better than the 2009 team because they won 2 more games? Look at the actual body of work and how the games actually transpired. And stop pretending it is irrational to think that RR should be fired. Every single person who follows college football closely (aside from maybe some of the ppl on this blog) would laugh in your face if they heard you talk as if firing Rich Rod isn't a decent option. It makes you sound like an idiot.
Right.... So if "you are what your record says you are", MSU is better than Alabama seeing as they have a better record by 2 games.
Would you care to place an even money wager on MSU? I will take Alabama. I'll do it for any amount between $10 and $10,000,000...
Who have we beat that is better than Florida and Georgia? And for the love of God don't say Connecticut.
What good teams (such as Arkansas or Auburn) has Michigan played remotely close this year?
Quit crapping on Miss St's resume when Michigan's is clearly worse.
Don't refer to Michigan State as "11-1 team" to make your point sound better, refer to them as Michigan State.
Blowing out Michigan State at home does not make Iowa good. Michigan State may be one of the worst 11-1 teams in a major conference in the history of college football. How many 11-1 teams in the Big 10 go to the capital one bowl and are still 10.5 point underdogs.
Michigan State and Mississippi State are actually decently comparable in my opinion. Put Michigan State through MIssissippi State's schedule and if you think they realistically do any better than 8-4 (Miss St's record) then.... well then discussing football with you is a waste of time. So with that comparison, considering Mich St. beat us at home by 17, that brings me back to my original point of Michigan +6 being a very reasonable line. If anything I think Michigan should be getting more points.
We have lost by the top 5 teams we played this year (iowa, psu, osu, msu, wisco) all by double digits. Miss St. is probably better than 3 of those 5 and you want to take Michigan? Interesting.
Program not being down another 3 years? I assume you're talking about Rich Rod potentially staying around
What exactly are those percentages derived from?
You really think DB already knows he is keeping Rich Rod but isn't endorsing him just because he thinks donors would be less pissed off if he says it in 4 weeks, at the expense of potentially losing recruits because they don't know what the coaching situation will be next year...
And the fact that you don't realize that that is coaching, especially when turnovers have been happening consistently for 3 years, leads you to your conclusion.
Ask literally any football expert or analyst and they will tell you that well coached teams don't fumble the football often and rarely get a lot of penalties... Michigan has done both under RR. It would be one thing if the turnovers and penalties have been decling, but they haven't.
Now do you have anything that actually counters my argument? Or are you accepting of the fact that people are upset that we looked totally out of place against all 5 somewhat good teams we played this year.
Well I have those negative points because I don't support Rich Rod, and god forbid anyone make a logical argument on Rich Rod possibly not being the right guy. The fact that you judge someone's argument based on their "mgopoints" makes me not care what you said, but...
When you need a "4th quarter comeback" to still lose by 10-20 points, well that sir means you were blown out.
Ok for 1, while MSU is 'ranked' in the top 10, they are clearly not a top 10 team, and most likely not even top 15. If you are going to dispute that please place an even money wager with me on whoever they play in the Citrus Bowl (Alabama or LSU).
Second of all, it's the fact that every above average team we played (including unranked Penn St. and Iowa) had us beat by the 3rd quarter (No, rallying in the 4th quarter to make it semi-close does not count, especially when you still lose by double digits).
We had 5 tries this year to prove ourselves against good teams and we looked like we didn't even belong on the field with any of them; not one of those 5 was even a game going into the 4th quarter. That's the problem.
"Michigan could win its first 10 games next year."
I mean, I guess in a literal sense it is technically possible Michigan starts off 10-0 next year. But that would require beating a NW team on the road that was better than us this year, beating MSU on the road after they crushed us @ home this year (i know they lose a lot this year), beating an illinois team on the road that took us to 30T this year and returns everyone, beating an Iowa team on the road that whooped us at home this year, all while not being upset by ND or Purdue.
So sure we could theoretically start out 10-0 since we don't play Neb or OSU until the last 2 games, but its about equally as likely that we start out 7-3 or 8-2.
And also, don't say he came into a crummy situation as if he walked into Bloomington trying to turn Indiana around. He came to a team that had Mallet, Arrington, Manningham, Minor, and a lot of returning starters on defense. It's his responsibility to get guys like Mallet and Arrington to stay around and to adapt his offense to the team he has. Instead he overhauled the entire offense and put a downhill back like Minor in a spread offense and had immobile quarterbacks run the read option. You can argue that this will help us in the future by giving extra spread experience to some of the younger players, but don't act like Rich Rod came into a situation where there was no talent and a history of losing. He made his own bed by turning it into a complete rebuilding process rather than slowly remodeling the offense and coaching to his team's talents.
How do you figure Demar Dorsey "should've and rightfully so" been a part of our secondary. He was never qualified to attend U of M or play football here, so no he should never have been part of the team. Rich Rod recruited a guy not eligible to play here; that is no one's fault other than Rich Rod's.
J.T. Turner wasn't good.... Donovan Warren didn't want to play for Rich Rod anymore. That's no different than any other player that didn't want to be a part of the team. Troy was an unfortunate loss but I guarantee you he was not the solution to this abortion of a defense.
The justification is that Harbaugh has succeeded in a power conference (sorry the big east does not qualify as such). He did so at Stanford where it is harder to recruit both because of academic standards and resources. Rich Rod did not succeed in a power conference and while he didn't have the resources at WVU, he had much less stringent academic qualifications for his recruits (Demar Dorsey could have played at WVU).
Succeeding in the Big East doesn't nearly correlate to succeeding in the Big 10. Just for the record, this year's Michigan team likely would have won the Big East considering we beat the Big East champion soundly and looked completely superior in doing so. Did you ever think that maybe even Rich Rod's WVU Big East championship teams wouldn't have done so well in the Big 10?
Well if there are any stops that he has that weren't pulled out against Ohio State.... well I guess there's your problem
Good football coaches (Harbaugh) coach a football team. RR coaches a scheme.
Just because RR came in and turned Michigan into a rebuilding project doesn't mean that Harbaugh would. There is some talent on the roster and Harbaugh would make the most of it. He has coached both the spread and pro set before so he has shown he can adapt his offense to his talent, something RR couldn't do.
Arguing that Michigan will be irrelevant for 3+ years just because we are switching coaches is a ridiculous and baseless argument.
I'm sorry I just can't get over this... You really don't see why Michigan wouldn't go 11-1 next year?!?!?!
If you don't see why they wouldn't go 11-1 you should start actually watching the games. I guarantee the Vegas over under on wins for Mich next season will be like 8 or 8.5, so please if RR is still around bet your house on the over.
And the fact that you had to go back to the first of 36 games in RR's tenure to find a game where we even came close to beating a top 25 team illustrates that we have had essentially 0 success vs them. Not to mention any top 25 team in a minor conference is questionable (even though they beat an Alabama team that was disappointed to be there and was hoping to play in the NC).
You forgot about Iowa last year also, but the point still stands that we have been absolutely stomped by almost every good team we've played. So for you to not see how we wouldn't lose to 2 great teams in Nebraska and Ohio State (in addition to not losing any others).... Well maybe you should start following football son.
Was MSU's schedule remotely as hard as Michigan's next year? No.
Unpredictable things happen on occasion but that doesn't mean being realistic about your predictions is wrong, and michigan isn't realistically going to win more than 8 or 9 games.
Glad you couldn't dispute my logic though. Based on your "shut the fuck up" it seems like I really stuck a chord.
Grumble grumble grumble OSU is an exact quote from the nay-sayers. I mean hahaha to anyone who doesn't think a year of experience for this team will change the outcome of the OSU game from an absolute shellacking that was over in the early 3Q into a Michigan victory. They will all be an entire year older!
It would be one thing if we lose to OSU in close fashion, or hell if we lost to any decent team in close fasion, but we have been consistently routed by any above average team we play.
You look at your OMG YARDS argument (ignoring the fact that the biggest knock on the spread is the fact that it constantly stalls inside the 20 once the field is condensed), and ignore the fact that in year 3 this team has not been able to be even remotely competitive with any top team in the B10.
Transfers? Is it not the coach's responsibility to bring in and KEEP players? There isn't a general manager or something that you can blame for this. And people need to stop claiming Demar Dorsey is "bad luck". Is it the admissions offices fault for not being able to admit him? No, it's RR's fault for recruiting a guy that is not qualified to come to Michigan.
Decommitments? WTF? So you're saying it's bad luck that Rich Rod hasn't been able to SECURE commitments from top talent? Uhh....
And one final thing. The fumbles are not random when happening for literally 3 years straight. For example, on Denard's fumble vs OSU he was carrying the ball in his left arm (toward the middle of the field) while running to the right. That is fundamentals, not bad luck. After 2 years with RR he still is making fundamentally poor decisions. Also, Vincent Smith has had fumbling problems all year yet RR continues to play him. Has anyone considered that maybe when you have 10 guys playing who are all 5'8 and 180 lbs that they are going to get lit up by giant B10 linebackers and fumble? Then you have Jeremy Gallon who makes a boneheaded special teams play every game yet continued to return kicks for a majority of the season. How exactly is that bad luck rather than a coach that doesn't focus enough on holding onto the ball and fundamentals?