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|11 hours 43 min ago||All I will say is this: Detroit Lions||
I don't agree with you--I think people will find a 38-3 loss to MSU a big deal and/or a bad loss to Penn State at home a big deal--but anything is possible at this point.
But all should note you just compared U of M football ("the winningest program in college football history") with the Detroit Lions, who are without a doubt the worst US pro franchise (in terms of on the field performance), in any of the four major sports, in the last 50 years. The absolute worst out of ~120 teams. The only one in the discussion is the Cubs.
We are in dark, dark times.
|12 hours 55 min ago||Can't believe Hoke will make it through||
Think how up in arms the fan base is with 3 losses. If we are 2-6 or 3-5 (with a pounding by MSU), how bad will it be then? Our meltdowns will be having meltdowns.
I thought Brandon was a goner too, but after seeing his contract, I'm less certain. He may leave b/c it can't be much fun anymore, but only if UM pays him a big settlement (which would be politically dicey for all involved) and/or he has a sweet gig lined up elsewhere (which certainly won't be as an AD somewhere; perhaps Ross will hire him as "Director of Marketing and Pizza for the Miami Dolphins" or something).
|18 hours 21 min ago||Got it||
I agree with that. I still think Hoke should be fired, but b/c he's a bad football coach. This year was his chance to show he had the program in the right direction, and even before the Shane incident, he blew it.
I just wanted to point out I think this "con" for Gundy makes him (along with the other reasons) part of the "pipe dream" area. He's not coming here for many, many reasons.
|18 hours 35 min ago||Not sure if serious||
If you are, I'm not saying that all. Gundy (as opposed to Hoke) did have the advantage that he and his AD were on the same page. They issued statements that matched up saying "We do things the right way. However, we've formed a commission to look into it" and 'poof', it went away.
As noted elsewhere, no one at OSU cared b/c a) a few of these allegations were readily sketchy and b) much more importantly, Gundy is winning. That makes a lot of issues get swept under the rug.
However, if UM wanted to hire him, that rug will get pulled out -- so that's why I highly doubt (amongst other reasons; as noted, Gundy is an Okla. guy and has plenty of money there) Gundy is an option. I think it's more likely we get either of the Harbaughs (and I don't think that's very likely at all) than Mike Gundy.
|18 hours 51 min ago||Of these, David Shaw; and Gundy has a big con||
As Brian noted, he checks off all the key boxes for the power-brokers, including man ball.
One big con for Mike Gundy is that whole SI story about academic fraud, paying players, etc. Some of that allegedly occurred before Gundy (hello Les Miles!) but some of it allegedly did. I know there was some sketchiness to the reporting, but it's not great that OSU's promised "intensive review" of the allegations by a top ex-NCAA official, which was kicked off in September 2013 still has produced nothing more than a year later -- not exoneration, not confirmation -- just nothing. So in effect their response was, "Hey, he's winning football games, isn't he?" Not sure that will fly at UM.
|19 hours 59 min ago||Very little focus on how bad the team has been playing||
Understandable, I suppose, with the feeding frenzy. But UM is 2-3 and on a fast-train to not making a bowl. I know the "communication/concussion" situation is important and hard for everyone not to focus on, but I'm still depressed our team appears to be downright bad at football. Perhaps historically for UM bad.
Who knows? Maybe all this distraction from their performance will allow them to relax/focus/get angry/whatever and play much better, starting on Saturday. Not counting on it, but we can hope.
|1 day 13 hours ago||The Louisville AD? Who re-hired Bobby Petrino?||
Tom Jurich is well-respected by many sporting types b/c he has built Louisville into a sports powerhouse (awesome in b-ball, respectable or better in football), while also getting them into the ACC.
However, he did just re-hire Bobby Petrino, he of the recent sex scandal / lying about it / misuse of university funds / hiring your mistress for a university job. And when the trustee of Louisville mentioned why they were OK with re-hiring Petrino, he said "College sports are a business, first and foremost." Which Jurich obviously agrees with, by hiring Petrino.
If we don't get Bates or Manuel, I sure hope we don't turn our eyes to Jurich.
|1 day 20 hours ago||Yes, that neurologist should be called to account||
That's literally why he is there. He doesn't have to worry about substitution patterns, defensive fronts, play calls -- just player safety. That's his job, and Sat afternoon was a key time to do it.
From all accounts, he saw that he had a player with a possible head injury. And he somehow didn't take control of the situtation?
Unless someone stopped him from doing an evaluation and holding Shane out (and there's no evidence of that so far, but who knows, maybe a press release at 2AM tmrw will bring new info), that MD should not have a job with UM athletics -- he should be let go, along with Brandon and Hoke.
|1 day 20 hours ago||Only partially good for the MDs; they missed the head injury||
Obviously it's very commendable on their part (and pathetic on the AD & aynone else) if the medical staff stood up to be sure the statement confirmed medically accurate, if embarrasing to UM, information.
However, why should they be let off the hook? Is it not the medical staff that has the primrary responsibility to ensure players with possible head injuries are properly evaluated and before that happens they do NOT get back into thte game? They somehow completely missed that. That's on them -- primary responsibility means it's their job, over Hoke, Nuss, etc. If it's everyone's responsibility, in big groups, it can be no one's responsibility.
There has--correctly, in pretty much everyone's view--been a big push to take the decision on who plays after possible head injuries away from coaches (who want you, generally speaking, to rub some dirt on it and get back in there) to medical staff, who have the proper training to assess the situation, are able to focus on injuries (as opposed to how in-game strategy should be handled) and (in theory) less pressure to re-insert into the lineup an injured player.
UM's medical staff, unless someone heard differently, failed Shane Morris on Saturday. I don't see how you can say any differently. I am 100% sure it was not intentional, but they did.
|2 days 4 hours ago||Brandon not only sits in on||
Brandon not only sits in on film sessions, but on all medical evaluations. He's a hands-on guy.
|2 days 4 hours ago||We essentially agree||
I am on board with what you are saying about grades, etc.
My simple point is that--today--many, many, many reputable organizations (including medical people) use the term "mild concussion" (e.g., I doubt the Reds are trying to avoid the Nightly News by using the term "mild concussion" to discuss Billy Hamilton's injury from 5 days ago)
Hopefully in the near future they will not use this term, due to education by all involved. But again, I think the focus is on UM's poor procedures (e.g., why didn't anyone tell Hoke that Morris might have had a concussion before his press conference?) rather than Brandon's utilizing the widely-used "mild" terminology.
|2 days 4 hours ago||Not really -- "mild" is used all the time||
I agree with you that the field is evolving, but I'm not going to get on Brandon about this. I am 100% confident a medical person told him this, and the term "mild" is used--a lot--with concussions. Look, this is from the Aug 2014 issue of Neurology, one of the top journals in the field.
The American Academy of Neurology's brochure for patient education says that "A concussion is a mild, traumatic brain injury..."
There's numerous more examples.
I fully agree with you that in this case the term "mild" is not ideal, but it is a medical term. David Brandon (who has done enough bad things) didn't make up that term.
|2 days 4 hours ago||#1 is not quite accurate||
You are certainly correct that any brain injury should be considered serious. But "mild brain injury" or "mild concussion" is definitely a term still in wide use. Consider:
...and just do a quick search in Google news for "mild concussion" and sports. You'll see all sort of organizations use the term (the MLB, the NHL, etc),
There's plenty to get on UM about in this whole matter. That term is still in wide use, in top medical journals, medical associations, and elsewhere, so I don't think this is one of them.
|2 days 4 hours ago||And why wasn't this info released before Hoke's presser?||
If Brandon was trying to make Hoke look even more dumb/incompetent than he has on the sidelines, he couldn't have done a better job than this. Why wasn't this released at 1PM Monday instead of 1AM Tuesday? Way to get on top of things, Dave.
|2 days 5 hours ago||Incompetence personified||
Why in the heck would you release a statement at 1am? Even if it has good info, people will discuss that timing and thing something is fishy.
Is the AD's office busy doing something else so important that they couldn't release this at a normal hour? Is he in Hawaii so it's really 6pm their time? Does UM email servers hold on to emails for hours before sending them along?
Dumb. Dumb, dumb, dumb, dumb, dumb. Dumb.
|2 days 12 hours ago||Crying, hysterical Troy...||
...always good for a laugh, even in dark times.
|2 days 17 hours ago||Yeah, that Morris picture is not being used properly||
Joegeo brings up a good point -- that picture (which has the "Look at this photo and tell me he is not concussed, TELL ME" part still on it, which I think it wrong) does not "prove" Morris had a concussion. I wish it would stop being posted/shown like it does.
After posting that picture along with that comment, Brian rightly noted later, the key to that picture is that Shane Morris needed to be properly evaluated for a concussion. That is what needed to happen and as far as anyone can tell, we haven't gotten a remotely satisfactory answer from UM on how a concussion test was conducted (if one was conducted at all).
Looking at a literal snapshot in time is NOT how you can tell if someone has a concussion. It literally takes minutes of time (e.g., looking at pupils, asking questions, doing physical tests and importantly, just sitting the person out for awhile to see if their symptoms change in the next few minutes). That can't be shown in a picture.
|2 days 18 hours ago||Absolutely - it's way too early||
No NFL coach is going to express interest in another job while he has a current job, unless things are REALLY odd. I mean, both Harbaugh's are trying to win a Super Bowl -- that's going to take 100% of their time, not to mention the Ray Rice issue (John) and Ray MacDonald & Aldon Smith etc issues (Jim). They got enough on their plate without even more distractions.
I still think the odds are 1% or less for Jim and maybe 10% for John that'd they'd even be seriously interested in the job, so this "news" isn't a big deal for me. But I'm not ruling anyone out at this point.
|3 days 5 hours ago||Excellent work. I need to||
Excellent work. I need to incorporate "Fosbury-flopping" into my everday lingo more often. Most people won't know what it is, but it's wonderful alliteration.
|3 days 18 hours ago||Yep, he will be fired this week||
This is just another small log on the raging fire. As I said yesterday, he was fired--within days--as soon as he made his straight-from-1994 comments about Shane having to take himself out in last night's presser. Completely clueless about modern player safety.
I mean, TIME magazine had a cover story just last week about a HS football player who died after suffering a brain injury on the field. That's just one of many. It's not like this is exactly under the radar stuff.
It's too bad. He deserves to be fired for Michigan's poor on the field performance (e.g., first time with 3 losses in Sept in the history of the program). But this player safety incident is going to be the huge straw that breaks the camel's back.
|3 days 18 hours ago||Why would the board of regents approve that?||
I liked Moeller as a coach. From all I can tell from afar, he's a good guy. But beyond Moeller's age, him being out of the coaching game for over a decade, and him (potentially) not wanting to undermine his good friend Hoke, why would the board of regents and Schlissel approve Moeller? Remember, Moeller was fired from UM twenty years ago. It was messy.
I mean, if Brandon comes to them and says, "We're going to fire Brady, and I want to replace him with Gary Moeller," you don't think they'd say "Wait -- didn't this university fire him for a drunken public behavior 20 years ago? Why do we want him representing the university? What's to say that won't happen again? You're telling me there's no one currently on staff, who we've already vetted and paid, to do this job for 8 games?" Etc.
That likely wouldn't be fair, b/c (as far as I can tell) Coach Mo wouldn't be risk for any incidents, but you've got to remember regents tend to risk-averse people. I would be shocked if they went for it.
|3 days 19 hours ago||Unfortunately, that very likely wouldn't work||
Gary Moeller is 73 years old. Much more importantly, he has been out of coaching for over a decade -- his last job was in 2003 for the Bears.
I think it would be unfair, to him, to ask him to step into the middle of a season when he has (literally) been out of the game so far. How could he get up to speed in reasonable amount of time?
I thought he was a very good coach during his time, but that time is over. If it wasn't, he'd still be coaching (or at least be an advisor) somewhere.
|4 days 3 hours ago||Fair enough -- point is, they are lower reaches of Pac-12||
There is no perfect analog in the B1G -- perhaps Purdue is a better one. But of the Pac-12 programs, historically USC, UCLA, Washington, Oregon, Stanford, Arizona State and Colorado have all been easily better (e.g., multiple conference championships, plus multiple big bowl wins, a few have national titles).
Point is, to get that program to "elite" (which, in my mind, is having high-level success with some consistency--i.e., our Sugar Bowl win in 2011 didn't get us back to "elite" b/c it was just one year) is something that has not been done before. If RR (or anyone else) does that at Arizona, it will be something quite new.
|4 days 4 hours ago||Here you go...||
Of course, he's more candid and sounds like he has much more of a clue, even on things he screwed up. In other words, he actually says something -- you can disagree with it (e.g., the fact they always go for it on 4th down on that side of the 50) but at least you know he's following an actual strategy.
|4 days 4 hours ago||Arizona is the Indiana of the Pac-12||
That program has basically never had real success. They are the only original Pac-10 team to never be to a Rose Bowl. Ever. To build an "Oregon" out there (which was helped, in no small part, but Nike money) would be one of the greatest feats of all-time.
And this year they are starting a RS Fr QB, i.e., someone just as experienced as Shane Morris. Their guy has thrown for 1450 yards in 4 games. It seems like it would take Shane 14 games to reach that.
So maybe they'll never become elite, but (unbelievably to me) you can say the same about Michigan right now. Arizona's program is easily in better shape than ours. That's unbelievable with our resources, but true. I mean -- who had a better record last year? Who will this year? Who would you bet would next year?
It's not pretty.
|4 days 4 hours ago||Umm....what's your number so I can call you?||
1) Arizona hasn't been that impressive this year, but they are 4-0. You'd be hard-pressed to convince me Minnesota is better than Cal, and whether Arizona's hail mary was complete or not, at least Arizona was competitive in that game. We were not, at all, against Minnesota.
2) More importantly, Arizona beat Utah last year and thumped a top 5 Oregon team last year, 42-16. We literally haven't had a victory over a team that highly ranked late in the year in over a decade.
|4 days 7 hours ago||It doesn't have to Brandon; Prez Schlissel can do it||
Not having an acceptable protocol for student safety, in today's day and age, is a huge no-no. From Hoke's comments, it sounds like we literally do not have one. Or if we do, we weren't following it.
This goes above the AD -- the regents and president will say, "Wait...you don't have anyone who--when a student looks like he might have a concussion who actually verifies it? You rely on the student to take himself out?" and they'll have Hoke's own words to show, he--in fact--does not have any idea on this important topic. Combine that with historic-level losing, fans leaving in droves, and Hoke is history. Sooner rather than later.
|4 days 8 hours ago||Yep, that's why I think he will be fired, this week||
His presser is galactically stupid. That statement might have worked in 1994, but in 2014...please.
The new prez is going to learn about this, and make sure Hoke is gone. He has the power to do it. Hoke is not going to resign, he's going to need to be fired. And I will honsetly be surprised if it doesn't happen.
In 2014, you can NOT be that clueless on player saftety unless (let's be honest here) you are winning at a high level (e.g., if Les Miles said something like this, he'd probably get away with it). Record-level of losing AND epic cluelessness on player safety? He's fired.
|4 days 8 hours ago||Yeah, that was one depressing sideline||
There was barely any interaction btw the players. At some points, where you would think a junior/senior would be rallying people around (or at least a coach), they were all just standing there.
And the QB group didn't seem to interact at all. Maybe I missed it, but it seems like Morris went in, he went out, sat by himself, wash/rinse/repeat.
Oh well. I hope they sort it out. They're a bunch of good guys on the team and if they can keep it together, maybe next year (with better coaching and more experience), their talent will shine and they can pile up some W's. But based on what I saw today, if any of them decide to leave, that's their decision -- I'm not going to lose sleep over it.
|4 days 9 hours ago||The whole team looked shell-shocked||
I was at the game, across from the UM bench. I had my bincoulars and since the on field product was so bad, I took to watching the UM sideline during breaks in play in the 2nd half. For the most part, they all were just standing there, stone-faced, while their world collapsed on them.
Even more weird, after Morris' second turnover (i.e., before he got injured), I found him on the sideline. He was just sitting there! No coach going over plays, or reviewing technique, or even bucking him up. He was just sitting there, like a lump.
Then I went over to Garnder, who seemed relaxed and had a bemused smile on his face. I'm not suggesting, at all, that we has happy UM was losing b/c the offense was floundering so bad, but his face suggested, "Y'all thought I was the problem, huh? Look at that nonsense we've done today."
And of course, Hoke was just either clapping his hands and/over hunched over looking at the field. I'm not sure what he does.
Thank goodness I left at the end of the third quarter (where I even I, 500 feet away, could see Morris was limping after a hit). What a total debacle.
Hoke should be fired, tomorrow. He doesn't deserve to finish it out. And Brandon should announce he will be stepping down in December, to let a new AD find a new coach.
That kind of performance can't go on without an answer from UM administrators.