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|1 week 6 days ago||How I feel about our offense||
How I feel about our offense finally being serviceable just in time for the defense to implode.
|3 weeks 3 days ago||This may be the most||
This may be the most impressive suicide by mod I've ever seen.
|3 weeks 3 days ago||Ugh, they need to come||
Ugh, they need to come completely clean on this whole thing and provide a detailed account from those involved, and I don't just mean Brady's personal take in the post-game presser. The lack of information has just fueled this and will continue to because the visual evidence alone is really damning. The truth might be bad as well, but at least it won't be speculation, which is always worse. Get everyone involved's take, Morris, Hoke, Nuss, Schmidt and get it out there quickly.
|3 weeks 3 days ago||I don't see how I can be||
I don't see how I can be wrong when I clearly concede that one possiblity is that Schmidt screwed up. Or when I clearly concede in my OP that the matter wasn't handled well.
The point I'm making is everyone is pretending like they know with certainty exactly what happened. You don't. Let's hold off on destroying a man's reputation until more information comes out from the parties involved, which at this point is next to nothing.
|3 weeks 3 days ago||I think a coordinator is too||
I think a coordinator is too risky right now. There's a big difference in skillsets required to go from a coordinator to a HC. Some guys make the leap, some fail miserably, and it's really hard to tell the difference beforehand. Michigan needs a known entity, we can't afford to be someone's audition or first foray into head coaching.
|3 weeks 3 days ago||This. By now, if not Hoke||
This. By now, if not Hoke himself, then someone will have realized how woefully inadequate the post game response was. They have one chance to regain the narrative and I hope they come clean on the entire sequence of events, including Morris's point of view, Nuss's point of view, Paul Schmidt's (Athletic Trainer) point of view, etc. This may or may not be as big of a deal as people are making it to be, but the lack of a real answer from the guys involved have let the public fill in the blanks with the worst case scenario.
|3 weeks 3 days ago||Gardner was, at several||
Gardner was, at several points in 2013, just as visibly hobbled as Morris (pre head hit). So is Funchess right now. Neither of those guys are in any better position to "protect themselves." Hell, we had a pretty good torch and pitchfork session about Funchess's blocking effort last week, with no slack given for literally hoping around on one leg on the sidelines. Right or wrong, playing hurt is pretty ubiquitous, and not just on this team.
|3 weeks 3 days ago||The problem is the rules are||
The problem is the rules are fairly ambiguous:
Here's the relevant section on diagnosis (bold emphasis mine)
"Recognition and diagnosis of concussion: All student-athletes who are experiencing signs, symptoms or behaviors consistent with a sport-related concussion, at rest or with exertion, must be removed from practice or competition and referred to an athletic trainer or team physician with experience in concussion management. A student-athlete’s health care provider experienced in the diagnosis and management of concussion should conduct and document serial clinical evaluation inclusive of symptom inventory and evaluation of cognition and balance. A student-athlete diagnosed with sport-related concussion should not be allowed to return to play in the current game or practice and should be withheld from athletic activity for the remainder of the day. Disposition decisions for more serious injuries such as cervical spine trauma, skull fracture or intracranial bleed, should be made at the time of presentation."
So, Paul Schmidt talking to Morris and not seeing concussion like symptoms seems to have the discretion to not conduct the evaluation. Again, concussion seems like a forgone conclusion given the video we saw, but Schmidt is right there next to the guy talking to him and in a much better position to make the call, as well has being more qualified. I will concede it's possible that Schmidt simply screwed up as well. We don't know at this point..
|3 weeks 3 days ago||Of course it's not. The guy||
Of course it's not. The guy said Morris should have been taken out before the head hit, which is different from how we treated Gardner last year.
|3 weeks 3 days ago||So it's ok to play a player||
So it's ok to play a player hurt as long as he's helping you win? Isn't that exactly the mindset people are railing against?
|3 weeks 3 days ago||I guess I'm doing a poor job||
I guess I'm doing a poor job framing this. I absolutely think leaving him in there for one more play was a mistake. Full stop. And for the record, he needs to be fired, but not for this. I just hate to see people twist this into a Hoke doesn't care for his players thing when it's pretty clear that this is just another in a long string of incidents where he's been caught deer in headlights style during games. Some of the comments here are frankly nothing short of character assasination.
|3 weeks 3 days ago||Credit Nathan too. He hasn't||
Credit Nathan too. He hasn't exactly been lights out, but going 1-2-3 to close a game like he should was big. Hopefully he'll keep it going.
|3 weeks 3 days ago||At that point the training||
At that point the training staff, particularly the head trainer, had been with Morris and presumably cleared him to play.
|3 weeks 3 days ago||Agreed, but what if in his||
Agreed, but what if in his initial interaction he determined a full evaluation wasn't necessary?
|3 weeks 3 days ago||No, it's not. It's evidence||
No, it's not. It's evidence of incompetence.
Disregard implies not caring about the players. You can't see Hoke kneeling over an injured Dennis Norfleet last game, stroking his helmet and trying to comfort him and come to that conclusion. On the other hand there are multiple examples of the game moving too fast for Hoke.
Hanlon's Razor says "Never attribute to malice that which is adequately explained by stupidity," which I think applies here.
|3 weeks 3 days ago||I find it pretty disingenious||
I find it pretty disingenious that the Gardner thing is now a knock on Hoke when we pretty much unanimously regarded it as a gutsy performance. Like I said in the front page thread, I can't help but feel that some are summoning up some extra indignation to justify letting Hoke go immediately (as if he hasn't done enough himself to justify it).
|3 weeks 3 days ago||How do you know he wasn't||
How do you know he wasn't cleared? Serious question. Paul Schmidt was on camera attending to Morris the whole time leading up to going back in and never took his helmet.
|3 weeks 3 days ago||I'm not a doctor and I can||
I'm not a doctor and I can definitely see that based on the video evidence that it's likely. Like I said, the right thing is to take the kid out immediately to be safe. But on the other hand doing it one play later after the kid didn't want to come out initially is not the cataclysmic event everyone is making it out to be.
|3 weeks 3 days ago||Paul Schmidt was right there||
Paul Schmidt was right there immediately when he came off. I don't know what the initial evaluation is and if it was handled properly, but clearly Schmidt was on the situation. If he failed to do what the protocols say he should then that's one thing, but it could just as easily be that his initial interaction with Shane didn't suggest a concussion.
|3 weeks 3 days ago||That's exactly what I think||
That's exactly what I think happened. Things moved too quickly for Hoke and Co, and the inertia of the game got Shane through one more play before everyone came to their senses. Again, incompetence, not ill intent.
|3 weeks 3 days ago||Dude, did you see Gardner||
Dude, did you see Gardner last year? Or Funchess the last 3 games for that matter? Concussions are one thing, playing hurt is another thing entirely and happens all the time. I don't get the double standard. Why is Gardner playing on a broken toe "gutsy" but Shane needs to come out at the first sign of a limp?
|3 weeks 3 days ago||Look, I know it looks bad,||
Look, I know it looks bad, and I get people are rightly sensitive when it comes to head injuries... but we don't have any confirmation that Morris is concussed. All armchair doctoring based on the video is just that. Again, it doen't look good, but there are still other possibilities to explain the way Morris looked, not the least possible of which is that he was just in so much pain from the aggregate hits to the leg. Paul Schmidt, 21 year veteran athletic trainer, attended to Morris immediately when he came out and unless Paul too is irresponsible and incompetent, didn't hold Morris out for the helmet fiasco a few plays later.
Yes, you take the kid out either way until you're sure, but on the other hand he vehemently waved off the sidelines and got exactly one more play before the coaches overruled him. Bad judgement? Yes. Incompetent? Sure. Criminal? Evil? Abhorrent? I dunno... I can't help but feel that people are at least in part using this incident to get what they want, which is an immediate exit for Hoke.
|3 weeks 3 days ago||This guy is a genius. He gets||
This guy is a genius. He gets paid more to not coach teams anymore than most coaches get for working.
|3 weeks 3 days ago||If Hoke is interimed, the guy||
If Hoke is interimed, the guy holding the position in the meantime will probably be Mattison. Nuss is new and doesn't have long relationships with the players and the problems are on his side of the ball. The options pretty much end there.
|3 weeks 3 days ago||Hoke will likely last the||
Hoke will likely last the season but the search for his replacement has begun, if it didn't after ND. Maybe Brandon hasn't started looking, but someone at Michigan has already started the process.
Schissel's ambivalent view of athletics worries me though. Hopefully someone is in his ear about the role football plays in the overall financial health of the school (for better or for worse). I have a sinking feeling that between contracts still to be paid, a presumed new AD potentially conservative in not wanting to risk too much financially, and the said ambivalence of the President that Michigan's war chest to buy a top hire won't be as impressive as we all think.
|3 weeks 3 days ago||My fandom in a nutshell this season||
Somewhere in the second half my cable box died. I've been deathly ill the last few days with the flu and could hardly move. We were already down 6 and showed no signs of life on offense. Without hesitation, I scampered as fast I could up the stairs to my bedroom to watch on our second TV, the fastest I've moved in 3 days. The first play on the second TV? A tip ball pick six. That was enough.... finally, sweet release of geniunely not caring anymore. I watched the rest of the game in bed flipping channels (something I never do during Michigan games, even in commercials).
|3 weeks 3 days ago||(Oh who am I kidding)||
(Oh who am I kidding)
|3 weeks 4 days ago||That was bizarre and sad.||
That was bizarre and sad. Gardner has always been very supportive of Shane, even when he got benched last week.
Something happened this week in practices that finally brought everything to a head. The sideline demeanor was terrible all game today. No one talking to anyone the entire time.
|3 weeks 4 days ago||Honestly, I moved from the||
Honestly, I moved from the "needs more time" camp to the "let's try and hold it together until the end of the season with some semblence of order" camp after ND. The upcoming change still scares me, especially given the available candidates, but at this point there's no other option. This team is fundamentally broken.
|3 weeks 4 days ago||Thanks for posting this. My||
Thanks for posting this. My memory was a little off on a couple of points and I have to say it makes Hoke look a lot worse.
For one, I initially thought the Athletic Trainer had a chance to do a concusion test. Not only was there not enough time to, but he's on camera talking to Morris, but not administering the test. That means they sent him back out there without knowing his status. That's just plain awful
For two, Bellomy was wandering around with a headset on 10-15 seconds after Gardner's helmet came off. It took the TV crew less time to realize he was needed and to find him on camera than it took the coaching staff. Inexcusable.