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|17 hours 54 min ago||I was thinking the same||
I was thinking the same thing.
1. Do something asinine.
2. Get surprised by back lash
3. Back-pedal and deny
|1 day 3 hours ago||My worst is Michigan Stadium||
My worst is Michigan Stadium unfortunately. I like to be in my seats for kick-off and a little before if I can swing it. My then girlfriend, now wife, got a student ticket so we had to go get it validated. No big deal, I like walking around campus on game day, but it did put us a bit behind schedule. She had her purse with her to pay for the extra fee for non-students. Well, not thinking clearly we head straight to the gate and sure enough being late meant a huge line. It wasn't until we got to the very front some 20 minutes later that we realized they weren't going to let her in with the purse.
Fuck. Ok, walk over to Crisler to check it. Another huge line. Finally get inside the concourse about the end of the 1st quarter, get to our section and, ugh, line literally to the fence. Another 15 minutes, and it's midway through 2nd quarter before we finally get to our seats.
Midway through halftime, I go take a piss and yup, you guessed it, huge fucking line. They were doing work on one of the bathrooms or something so everyone on that half of the stadium had to use one bathroom. Finally get back mid-way through the 3rd and by that point we're getting blown out (can't remember the game, pretty sure it was 2009 though, so Penn State?). Just miserable. Oh and we go to get my girlfriend/wife's purse after the game and another huge line. I literally spent more time in line that day than actually in my seat watching football.
Close second would be 2008 Northwestern for obvious reasons.
|1 day 19 hours ago||Harbuagh's 3 step drop looks||
Harbuagh's 3 step drop looks like he never quit playing.
|3 days 18 hours ago||I missed the Funchess thread,||
I missed the Funchess thread, but I'm not surprised at all. Ever since the Fall Scrimmage, I've been saying how slow all our receivers looked. They made the secondary look amazing all Spring and Fall, and then ND torched us with guys that actually could run. We never could get an inch of separation even on mediocre defensive backs.
|1 week 3 days ago||I don't know if I'd go as far||
I don't know if I'd go as far as to say I won't cheer for him, but there's definitely a feeling he didn't exactly put the team first in his time here. From his lackluster blocking, to seemingly lack of focus this last year (e.g. drops, short arming catches, more bad blocking), to his early exit, his career isn't exactly one I would hold up as an example of a model Michigan student athlete.
|1 week 6 days ago||This man is a fucking genius.||
This man is a fucking genius. Getting paid to not do something more than most people make in their entire lives.
|2 weeks 2 hours ago||Replies are threaded just||
Replies are threaded just like here, each reply is the next indent.
Comments and replies within the same level are sorted by upvote algorithm, so the best comments come to the top for each level, then top reply to that comment, etc.
|2 weeks 4 hours ago||I'm with Brian, I'll||
I'm with Brian, I'll (grudgingly) give them the benefit of the doubt that they actually expect legitimate attrition.
|2 weeks 5 hours ago||By the letter of the law,||
By the letter of the law, yes, but what matters is how you get down to the limit. If you have guys you've talked with in private and that don't figure to return, that's one thing. If you have guys that are getting pushed out or medicaled on trumped up injuries, that's another. I think the reason Brian said what ohio is doing isn't a big deal is because the guys that got medicals actually did have legitimate injuries.
|2 weeks 1 day ago||Yes, but relative to some of||
Yes, but relative to some of the prediction threads (so many threads) right when HARBAUGH got hired, that was spot on.
Recruiting is about relationships, and yes you do commit to a coaching staff just as much as if not more than a school. Harbaugh's star power got a lot of visits and interest, but in the end it's hard to trump relationships players committed elsewhere have built over years in just a little over a month.
I suspect that'll be the case with on field performance as well. There's a lot of inertia in a college program and those thinking Harbaugh will snap his fingers and make it all ok are likely in for a rude awakening come Sept.
|2 weeks 1 day ago||Why does the Norfleet one||
Why does the Norfleet one bother people so much? He was a signing day pick-up with zero expectations. We'll get 4 years of production at KR from him (he's the record holder for total return yards, BTW), which exceeds what you expect out of a recruit of his level. I know everyone sees him juking guys in tight spaces and thinks he could have been more, but he really didn't get much out of his offensive snaps despite having a shot under two different offensive schemes. Not sure how a RS would really help there. I dunno, if Harbaugh somehow turns him into an unstoppable offensive weapon this year, I guess I'll retract my statement, but I don't see that happening.
|2 weeks 1 day ago||Pipkins played a ton as a||
Pipkins played a ton as a freshman and sophomore at a position of need before getting hurt. Guys get hurt and can't find the field again all the time, doesn't mean they should take a redshirt year to recover. That's pretty rare.
|2 weeks 3 days ago||I would still exterminate||
I would still exterminate you. Can't be too careful.
|2 weeks 6 days ago||Journalism and sports writing||
Journalism and sports writing don't have a whole lot in common.
|3 weeks 1 day ago||Considering his genes,||
Considering his genes, whatever 40 time he claims gets zero FAKES from me.
|3 weeks 3 days ago||had they not used most of the||
had they not used most of the playclock before snapping the ball on 2nd down.
I think that's the key point. Belichick not calling his TO might have screwed with Seahawks enough that they A) let the clock run more than they wanted, and B) made a boneheaded playcall in a time-crunched situation.
Like I said, not sure if it was pre-meditated by Belichick, but it certainly is possible that it did mess up how the Seahawks handled those next few plays.
|3 weeks 3 days ago||Saw an interesting post on||
Saw an interesting post on Reddit about Belichick "baiting" the throw that got INT'ed. If he had called time out right away, the Seahawks would have run, run, run all the downs to kill clock. By letting the clock run and probably surprising the Seahawks, they had to have at least one throwing play, probably two since they themselves only had on time out. They saw the goal line stand package and decided to run on 2nd down and the rest is history.
Not sure I totally buy it that Belichick had all that planned, but it's an interesting idea nonetheless.
|4 weeks 1 day ago||I agree, way too many people||
I agree, way too many people are writing him off already. He looked bad so far, but not really that bad relative to his experience level and given the fact he's changed coaches every year. Yes, he'll be going through another transition, but more total experience should hopefully help him weather it a bit better this time around.
|4 weeks 2 days ago||So who were you before you||
So who were you before you got banned?
|4 weeks 2 days ago||Recruiting is also only||
Recruiting is also only getting more front loaded too. Even in 2012, it was pretty common to be uncommitted until later. Now it seems like most quality recruits are all committed before they can even take officials.
|4 weeks 2 days ago||IIRC he had pretty much his||
IIRC he had pretty much his entire staff ready to go while Fickle was still coaching for the bowl game, essentially giving Ohio two staffs, one to handle the team, another to focus entirely on recruiting.
|4 weeks 2 days ago||We've been on the other side||
We've been on the other side on numerous occasions. Kid starts looking around, coaches get wind and tell them if they visit around, they're no longer committed, kid thinks better of it and cancels visits.
|5 weeks 1 day ago||+1 from me. Just cut the cord||
+1 from me. Just cut the cord myself recently. I was going to wait until end of football season (which I had assumed was early Jan for Michigan, lol), but after... well *that* happened, I cut the cord in Oct. This sling box thing from Dish looks mighty interesting, but I still need a way to fill in for BTN.
|5 weeks 6 days ago||Sr seems to be taking an||
Sr seems to be taking an admirably hands of approach and letting his son decide for himself. I remember he came with on one of the visits (Spring Game?) and basically dropped Jr off and went and did his own thing with alumni and former teammates.
|6 weeks 17 hours ago||13b free solo is ridiculous,||
13b free solo is ridiculous, that's what makes Honnold famous. 13b in general isn't that hard at all, relatively speaking, for elite climbers. You can find someone in most any gym or crag in the country that can climb that. You wouldn't even get a sniff at sponsorship at that level (male anyway).
Honnold is obviously a every good climber to be confident in tackling 13s free solo, but even if you consider his max red point grade 14b/c, he still wouldn't be in the elite class. What sets him apart isn't his maximum grade, its how far he's willing to push free soloing.
|6 weeks 20 hours ago||What Alex does is relatively||
What Alex does is relatively easy, but dangerous. What these guys are doing is relatively safe, but ridiculously hard on a technical level. Skill vs balls, although yes certainly an element of both for each case.
|6 weeks 20 hours ago||The nomenclature is weird.||
The nomenclature is weird. Climbing first started with pulling oneself up on gear at least part of the way. Today that's regarded as "aid climbing" but back in the day it was just normal climbing. To distinguish ascents that were done with out weighting or pulling on gear, the term "free climb" was coined. Climbing without a rope is known as "free soloing."
|6 weeks 21 hours ago||Hard to say. The thing is,||
Hard to say. The thing is, you have to be absolutely obsessed with the project. Caldwell has worked on this close to a decade amd Jorgeson for 3. There are certainly other climbers strong enough to do it, but they're usually focused on their own projects and I don't see them basically putting everything else on hold for long enough to learn all the details about the climb that you need to be successful.
|6 weeks 21 hours ago||The only thing that makes||
The only thing that makes their attempt not ground up is that they were resupplied. Being pitches apart isn't a big deal and only happened because Caldwell really wanted Jorgeson to send the crux pitches too. In a normal attempt, Jorgeson would have just jugged up fixed ropes and continued with the rest of thr climb. And he actually did do that anyway to belay and help Caldwell.
|6 weeks 22 hours ago||That's not typically the||
That's not typically the standard for freeing a route. You can fall as long as you lower down and repeat that pitch, not the entire climb.
|6 weeks 22 hours ago||I downvoted. Sorry. As a||
I downvoted. Sorry. As a climber, I hear this all. the. time. It gets old pretty quick.
|6 weeks 22 hours ago||If anything, Honnold and the||
If anything, Honnold and the French guy have more in common than either to Caldwell/Jorgrson, at least in terms of what he's known for (Honnold's a pretty good roped in climber too). Free soloing, climbing without a rope, is done on much much lower technical difficulty, but obviously much more dire consequences. Same goes for building climbing, much easier technically. What these guys are doing is at the very cutting edge of difficulty. There are only a small group of people that can climb 5.14d period, let alone two of them, back to back, in between a dozen other pitches of 5.13 and 5.14.
|6 weeks 2 days ago||There's a big difference||
There's a big difference between running routes in a vanilla offense and against a vanilla defense, which we all know he can do, and understanding a system, including all the on the fly adjustments. There were at least a couple of instances where Gardner threw an INT because they weren't on the same page, most likely due to Canteen not making a correct read and adjusting his route accordingly. He also was clearly not ready physically to be an effective blocker, although I will credit him for making an effort unlike some (cough cough, Funchess).
|6 weeks 3 days ago||He's 65 y/o. He gets to||
He's 65 y/o. He gets to continue coaching and working with kids, which is his passion, without as much pressure and responsibility. Plus Michigan's contractually obligated to keep paying him his DC salary, so that definitely helps. Seems like a natural fit.
|6 weeks 4 days ago||Bwahahahahahaha....||
Bwahahahahahaha.... *breathes* hahahahaha
|7 weeks 6 hours ago||I feel like I've been||
I feel like I've been Rickrolled
|7 weeks 3 days ago||As a recent cord cutter, the||
As a recent cord cutter, the Dish deal to provide ESPN and ESPN2 for $20 a month is awesome news.
|7 weeks 3 days ago||Blatantly holding by the||
Blatantly holding by the right guard, does it get called? No, holding call on Detroit instead.
|7 weeks 3 days ago||What the actual fuck?||
What the actual fuck?
|7 weeks 4 days ago||What about the community?||
What about in the community?
|8 weeks 3 days ago||Yes, a month different, or||
Yes, a month different, or another way to look at it is twice as long. A lot of those guys were guys ohio were already in on. Harbaugh will (hopefully) do the same and resign some decommitted guys plus maybe a couple others on the board, but top twenty class (especially with our class size) with a 5 star? I just don't see it. I guess we'll find out soon enough.
|8 weeks 3 days ago||You do remember urban was||
You do remember urban was basically full time recruiting since November while Fickle kept the seat warm for him right?
|8 weeks 4 days ago||The assistants are going to||
The assistants are going to be largely new and just getting the lay of the land too. Many will also be from the NFL from the sounds of it. Yeah, some might be able to take a recruit or two with them, but you have less pull as you move down the food chain.
Look, I'm not saying harbaugh isn't going to be a huge boon to recruiting, he will be. But transitional classes are tough sledding, even for top 5/top 10 coaches.
|8 weeks 4 days ago||I don't think *you*||
I don't think *you* understand how recruiting works. Kids don't just sign up for the hottest name. They have to build a relationship and feel comfortable with the person that will basically be running their lives for the next 4-5 years. And is not just the HC either, the relationship with the entire staff is just as important, as is familiarity with players and fellow commits.
|8 weeks 4 days ago||Good gravy, let the||
Good gravy, let the unrealistic expectations begin. He's an NFL coach who hasn't done any recruiting in years. It's not like he was recruiting at another school and had relationships built that he can use to flip kids to Michigan. He's got less than two months to start from basically scratch to mostly flip guys already committed else where. If he can bring back a couple guys that decommitted without losing anyone else, and fill the rest of the spots with decent 3 star talent, I'd be pretty happy.
|10 weeks 2 days ago||I'm in. If he doesn't come,||
I'm in. If he doesn't come, $25 to ASPCA?
|11 weeks 8 hours ago||Voted on 3 devices and posted||
Voted on 3 devices and posted it to social media. The guy absolutely deserves it.
|11 weeks 1 day ago||I asked for a T-Shirt from||
I asked for a T-Shirt from the Hope for Pahokee guys as far as M related stuff.
My biggest thing for Christmas I'm going to have to get for myself. I'm building a nice target rifle and my entire family pretty much detests guns so I can't really ask them for anything related to that (and it would be too expensive anyway)
|11 weeks 2 days ago||Good catch, thanks.||
Good catch, thanks.
|11 weeks 2 days ago||Unless he does really well in||
Unless he does really well in the combine (which he probably will) I think this is a mistake for him. He's got size, decent speed and athleticism, but the few times I've watched him live, he never seemed to get the type of separation through his route running that you would think an NFL prospect would. Even on TV, a lot of his targets were with a DB or even sometimes a LB in his hip pocket. I think he'll get drafted, and probably not all that low, but he could have done better with another year to work on his game IMO. Can't really blame the guy on the other hand with the coaching transition looming I guess, but just the same, you'd think he'd at least wait to see who the next guy is before committing one way or the other.
|11 weeks 3 days ago||Benny's has been a favorite||
Benny's has been a favorite of mine since I was a Sophomore. Instead of waiting hours at the other campus places, we'd load up into whoever had a car and drive there. Good food, prices are good, not as busy and it's a popular spot for athletes so you can heckle them about their loss the day before (don't actually do this).
|12 weeks 1 hour ago||Honestly, I never saw the OMG||
Honestly, I never saw the OMG MATCH-UP NIGHTMARE thing everyone keeps talking about with Funchess. Yeah, he's big and has straightline speed (sort of), but he doesn't get himself open. Of course before the season, everyone, including me, thought that was because our corners were awesome. Turns out, it was mostly that our receivers were the plodding possession variety. Funchess included. His drops issues and injuries just totally torpedoed any remaining chance he had of making an impact this year.
|12 weeks 1 hour ago||My reading of the grayshirt||
My reading of the grayshirt QB thing is that he's not going anywhere, or at least not actively thinking about it. A) why tarnish your image just before you start job hunting and B) more importantly, why give a shit about the MSU roster to stick your neck out and make a move like that if you're not going to be around next year.
|12 weeks 1 day ago||I'll say this, there hasn't||
I'll say this, there hasn't been a shortage of entertaining games, even some of the ones we came out on the wrong end of, or shouldn't have been close. A lot of nail biters, come backs, unlikely turn of events, etc for 4 seasons.
|12 weeks 1 day ago||OL in 2013 and QB in 2014||
OL in 2013 and QB in 2014 happened. In a lot of ways, getting rid of Al was a terrible move short term. Gardner was already physically messed up, another QB coach and system pretty much just did him in. I dunno, it probably had to be done after 2013, but it was a huge gamble that ended up not paying off and then some.
|12 weeks 1 day ago||In a lot of ways, Hoke||
In a lot of ways, Hoke staying as a DL coach would make a lot of sense. He's clearly good at it, he's a hell of a recruiter. and he could stay and look over the guys he's recruited and grown close to. Of course no new HC is going to sign up for that, having his predecessor on the program under him and potentially undermining him (not that Brady would do that, but I'm sure a lot of players would still see him as the coach). I doubt Brady would be interested either.
|12 weeks 3 days ago||Technically correct is the||
Technically correct is the best kind of correct
|12 weeks 3 days ago||Isn't the Clark thing the||
Isn't the Clark thing the exact reason for waiting until the end? I mean, I think it's kinda dumb too, but naming a captain that later ends up booted from the team later is precisely the type of thing you avoid by waiting.
|12 weeks 3 days ago||Paying my bet with BloomingtonBlue||
|20 weeks 1 hour ago||How I feel about our offense||
How I feel about our offense finally being serviceable just in time for the defense to implode.
|21 weeks 4 days ago||This may be the most||
This may be the most impressive suicide by mod I've ever seen.
|21 weeks 4 days ago||Ugh, they need to come||
Ugh, they need to come completely clean on this whole thing and provide a detailed account from those involved, and I don't just mean Brady's personal take in the post-game presser. The lack of information has just fueled this and will continue to because the visual evidence alone is really damning. The truth might be bad as well, but at least it won't be speculation, which is always worse. Get everyone involved's take, Morris, Hoke, Nuss, Schmidt and get it out there quickly.
|21 weeks 4 days ago||I don't see how I can be||
I don't see how I can be wrong when I clearly concede that one possiblity is that Schmidt screwed up. Or when I clearly concede in my OP that the matter wasn't handled well.
The point I'm making is everyone is pretending like they know with certainty exactly what happened. You don't. Let's hold off on destroying a man's reputation until more information comes out from the parties involved, which at this point is next to nothing.
|21 weeks 4 days ago||I think a coordinator is too||
I think a coordinator is too risky right now. There's a big difference in skillsets required to go from a coordinator to a HC. Some guys make the leap, some fail miserably, and it's really hard to tell the difference beforehand. Michigan needs a known entity, we can't afford to be someone's audition or first foray into head coaching.
|21 weeks 4 days ago||This. By now, if not Hoke||
This. By now, if not Hoke himself, then someone will have realized how woefully inadequate the post game response was. They have one chance to regain the narrative and I hope they come clean on the entire sequence of events, including Morris's point of view, Nuss's point of view, Paul Schmidt's (Athletic Trainer) point of view, etc. This may or may not be as big of a deal as people are making it to be, but the lack of a real answer from the guys involved have let the public fill in the blanks with the worst case scenario.
|21 weeks 4 days ago||Gardner was, at several||
Gardner was, at several points in 2013, just as visibly hobbled as Morris (pre head hit). So is Funchess right now. Neither of those guys are in any better position to "protect themselves." Hell, we had a pretty good torch and pitchfork session about Funchess's blocking effort last week, with no slack given for literally hoping around on one leg on the sidelines. Right or wrong, playing hurt is pretty ubiquitous, and not just on this team.
|21 weeks 4 days ago||The problem is the rules are||
The problem is the rules are fairly ambiguous:
Here's the relevant section on diagnosis (bold emphasis mine)
"Recognition and diagnosis of concussion: All student-athletes who are experiencing signs, symptoms or behaviors consistent with a sport-related concussion, at rest or with exertion, must be removed from practice or competition and referred to an athletic trainer or team physician with experience in concussion management. A student-athlete’s health care provider experienced in the diagnosis and management of concussion should conduct and document serial clinical evaluation inclusive of symptom inventory and evaluation of cognition and balance. A student-athlete diagnosed with sport-related concussion should not be allowed to return to play in the current game or practice and should be withheld from athletic activity for the remainder of the day. Disposition decisions for more serious injuries such as cervical spine trauma, skull fracture or intracranial bleed, should be made at the time of presentation."
So, Paul Schmidt talking to Morris and not seeing concussion like symptoms seems to have the discretion to not conduct the evaluation. Again, concussion seems like a forgone conclusion given the video we saw, but Schmidt is right there next to the guy talking to him and in a much better position to make the call, as well has being more qualified. I will concede it's possible that Schmidt simply screwed up as well. We don't know at this point..
|21 weeks 4 days ago||Of course it's not. The guy||
Of course it's not. The guy said Morris should have been taken out before the head hit, which is different from how we treated Gardner last year.
|21 weeks 4 days ago||So it's ok to play a player||
So it's ok to play a player hurt as long as he's helping you win? Isn't that exactly the mindset people are railing against?
|21 weeks 4 days ago||I guess I'm doing a poor job||
I guess I'm doing a poor job framing this. I absolutely think leaving him in there for one more play was a mistake. Full stop. And for the record, he needs to be fired, but not for this. I just hate to see people twist this into a Hoke doesn't care for his players thing when it's pretty clear that this is just another in a long string of incidents where he's been caught deer in headlights style during games. Some of the comments here are frankly nothing short of character assasination.
|21 weeks 4 days ago||Credit Nathan too. He hasn't||
Credit Nathan too. He hasn't exactly been lights out, but going 1-2-3 to close a game like he should was big. Hopefully he'll keep it going.
|21 weeks 4 days ago||At that point the training||
At that point the training staff, particularly the head trainer, had been with Morris and presumably cleared him to play.
|21 weeks 4 days ago||Agreed, but what if in his||
Agreed, but what if in his initial interaction he determined a full evaluation wasn't necessary?
|21 weeks 4 days ago||No, it's not. It's evidence||
No, it's not. It's evidence of incompetence.
Disregard implies not caring about the players. You can't see Hoke kneeling over an injured Dennis Norfleet last game, stroking his helmet and trying to comfort him and come to that conclusion. On the other hand there are multiple examples of the game moving too fast for Hoke.
Hanlon's Razor says "Never attribute to malice that which is adequately explained by stupidity," which I think applies here.
|21 weeks 4 days ago||I find it pretty disingenious||
I find it pretty disingenious that the Gardner thing is now a knock on Hoke when we pretty much unanimously regarded it as a gutsy performance. Like I said in the front page thread, I can't help but feel that some are summoning up some extra indignation to justify letting Hoke go immediately (as if he hasn't done enough himself to justify it).
|21 weeks 4 days ago||How do you know he wasn't||
How do you know he wasn't cleared? Serious question. Paul Schmidt was on camera attending to Morris the whole time leading up to going back in and never took his helmet.
|21 weeks 4 days ago||I'm not a doctor and I can||
I'm not a doctor and I can definitely see that based on the video evidence that it's likely. Like I said, the right thing is to take the kid out immediately to be safe. But on the other hand doing it one play later after the kid didn't want to come out initially is not the cataclysmic event everyone is making it out to be.
|21 weeks 4 days ago||Paul Schmidt was right there||
Paul Schmidt was right there immediately when he came off. I don't know what the initial evaluation is and if it was handled properly, but clearly Schmidt was on the situation. If he failed to do what the protocols say he should then that's one thing, but it could just as easily be that his initial interaction with Shane didn't suggest a concussion.
|21 weeks 4 days ago||That's exactly what I think||
That's exactly what I think happened. Things moved too quickly for Hoke and Co, and the inertia of the game got Shane through one more play before everyone came to their senses. Again, incompetence, not ill intent.
|21 weeks 4 days ago||Dude, did you see Gardner||
Dude, did you see Gardner last year? Or Funchess the last 3 games for that matter? Concussions are one thing, playing hurt is another thing entirely and happens all the time. I don't get the double standard. Why is Gardner playing on a broken toe "gutsy" but Shane needs to come out at the first sign of a limp?
|21 weeks 4 days ago||Look, I know it looks bad,||
Look, I know it looks bad, and I get people are rightly sensitive when it comes to head injuries... but we don't have any confirmation that Morris is concussed. All armchair doctoring based on the video is just that. Again, it doen't look good, but there are still other possibilities to explain the way Morris looked, not the least possible of which is that he was just in so much pain from the aggregate hits to the leg. Paul Schmidt, 21 year veteran athletic trainer, attended to Morris immediately when he came out and unless Paul too is irresponsible and incompetent, didn't hold Morris out for the helmet fiasco a few plays later.
Yes, you take the kid out either way until you're sure, but on the other hand he vehemently waved off the sidelines and got exactly one more play before the coaches overruled him. Bad judgement? Yes. Incompetent? Sure. Criminal? Evil? Abhorrent? I dunno... I can't help but feel that people are at least in part using this incident to get what they want, which is an immediate exit for Hoke.
|21 weeks 4 days ago||This guy is a genius. He gets||
This guy is a genius. He gets paid more to not coach teams anymore than most coaches get for working.
|21 weeks 4 days ago||If Hoke is interimed, the guy||
If Hoke is interimed, the guy holding the position in the meantime will probably be Mattison. Nuss is new and doesn't have long relationships with the players and the problems are on his side of the ball. The options pretty much end there.
|21 weeks 4 days ago||Hoke will likely last the||
Hoke will likely last the season but the search for his replacement has begun, if it didn't after ND. Maybe Brandon hasn't started looking, but someone at Michigan has already started the process.
Schissel's ambivalent view of athletics worries me though. Hopefully someone is in his ear about the role football plays in the overall financial health of the school (for better or for worse). I have a sinking feeling that between contracts still to be paid, a presumed new AD potentially conservative in not wanting to risk too much financially, and the said ambivalence of the President that Michigan's war chest to buy a top hire won't be as impressive as we all think.
|21 weeks 4 days ago||My fandom in a nutshell this season||
Somewhere in the second half my cable box died. I've been deathly ill the last few days with the flu and could hardly move. We were already down 6 and showed no signs of life on offense. Without hesitation, I scampered as fast I could up the stairs to my bedroom to watch on our second TV, the fastest I've moved in 3 days. The first play on the second TV? A tip ball pick six. That was enough.... finally, sweet release of geniunely not caring anymore. I watched the rest of the game in bed flipping channels (something I never do during Michigan games, even in commercials).
|21 weeks 4 days ago||(Oh who am I kidding)||
(Oh who am I kidding)
|21 weeks 4 days ago||That was bizarre and sad.||
That was bizarre and sad. Gardner has always been very supportive of Shane, even when he got benched last week.
Something happened this week in practices that finally brought everything to a head. The sideline demeanor was terrible all game today. No one talking to anyone the entire time.
|21 weeks 4 days ago||Honestly, I moved from the||
Honestly, I moved from the "needs more time" camp to the "let's try and hold it together until the end of the season with some semblence of order" camp after ND. The upcoming change still scares me, especially given the available candidates, but at this point there's no other option. This team is fundamentally broken.
|21 weeks 4 days ago||Thanks for posting this. My||
Thanks for posting this. My memory was a little off on a couple of points and I have to say it makes Hoke look a lot worse.
For one, I initially thought the Athletic Trainer had a chance to do a concusion test. Not only was there not enough time to, but he's on camera talking to Morris, but not administering the test. That means they sent him back out there without knowing his status. That's just plain awful
For two, Bellomy was wandering around with a headset on 10-15 seconds after Gardner's helmet came off. It took the TV crew less time to realize he was needed and to find him on camera than it took the coaching staff. Inexcusable.
|21 weeks 4 days ago||You just described pretty||
You just described pretty much Devin Gardner's whole 2013 season. I get the head thing and why people are (rightfully) sensitive about it, which is why they did take him out. One play too late and then inexplicably one more play later, but they still took him out pretty damn quick. People have played through much much worse as far as leg issues though (Funchess right now is another example).
|21 weeks 4 days ago||Head injuries are different||
Head injuries are different and people are rightly more sensitive about them. That said, I sort of agree that people are looking at this with a very different lense than Gardner's 2013 pummelling. It's probably more that the game and season look lost as opposed to last year were we were in most games still until the near the end.
|21 weeks 4 days ago||I wasn't that upset with the||
I wasn't that upset with the Morris thing initially, but I have to say, the Hoke comments are infuriating. Talk about just not getting it.
|21 weeks 4 days ago||Again, I'm very much not||
Again, I'm very much not defending him, the list of things that Hoke ought to notice that he hasn't is getting way too long. On the other hand, they did take him out... one play later and the only reason it wasn' immediately was because he refused to come out. It's negligence and incompetence, not maliciousness or callousness.
Also, the commentators were clearly wrong as even their own broadcast showed Paul Schmitt shadowing Morris from when he first tweaked his ankle on.
|21 weeks 4 days ago||It honestly looked to me more||
It honestly looked to me more like he couldn't put weight on the leg than loss of balance or being disoriented. But yes, not even noticing on Brady's part is inexcusable.
|21 weeks 4 days ago||I wasn't that upset with it||
I wasn't that upset with it initially. Like you said with the leg thing, lots of people play with those and we consider it gutsy in most cases.
After the late hit, Morris was clearly motioning to the sideline that he didn't want to come out, so ok. Then they took him out pretty much immediately after that.
The Bellmoy helmet thing upset me because how the fuck do you not tell the 3rd string guy to get ready. I'll give the trainers the benefit of the doubt they checked out Morris by then I guess.
The thing I am pretty pissed about however, is that Brady mentioned postgame that he didn't notice Morris wobbly. That's inexcusable. Are you even fucking watching the game? The fucking QB takes head shot, there's a even a penalty called, but you don't even look his way to see if he's ok? I want to pull for him, but it's pretty clear at this point he's not cut out for head coaching at this level.
|21 weeks 4 days ago||I'm not defending Brady's||
I'm not defending Brady's job, he's cooked. but Morris was clearly motioning that he did not want to come out. Then they took him out one or two plays later. I didn't think the sequence was as deplorable as most I guess. That said, the fact that Hoke didn't even notice is unreal. The guy just can't focus on the details enough to run a program.
|21 weeks 4 days ago||Yeah, I know that, but like I||
Yeah, I know that, but like I said, they took him out pretty much immediately after that.
|21 weeks 5 days ago||I was pretty sure Hoke needed||
I was pretty sure Hoke needed to go (90% after ND, 99% after Utah) but I tried not to be too open about because I wanted to wait until the end of the season and was hoping we could hold together and support the team until then at least.
Now, whatever. The guy isn't the right guy. Wish it weren't so and the transition still scares me, but what we have right now is untenable. We couldn't even catch a bus back to tenable right now.
|21 weeks 5 days ago||Of all the things, I'm kind||
Of all the things, I'm kind of surprised people are the most upset at this. Gardner was gimpy most of last year and played a game on a broken foot. They took him out two plays after the late hit potential head injury, and only because Morris refused to come out. I'm not even sure it was a head hit, more like on the chin. The not calling the TO when Gardner's helmet came off was shitty, but Bellomy was on his way in until he couldn't find his helmet. I dunno, I'll give them the benefit of the doubt that they did a concussion check on Morris at that point and would have taken his helmet if he had failed.
|21 weeks 5 days ago||At least there's no doubt.||
At least there's no doubt.
|21 weeks 5 days ago||Oh absolutey. But OP was||
Oh absolutey. But OP was talking about taking him out much earlier, when he first tweaked the leg.
They got him out one play too late on the late hit to the head (because Morris refused to come out, btw). And then obviously not calling the TO when Bellomy couldn't find his fucking helmet. I'll give them the benefit of the doubt that they did the concussion check on him by then though.
|21 weeks 5 days ago||Hoke needs to be fired, but||
Hoke needs to be fired, but Gardner played a game on a broken foot and we called it gutsy... just saying.
|21 weeks 5 days ago||He'll be under his 3rd OC and||
He'll be under his 3rd OC and QB coach next year.. so, probably not the best for his development.
|21 weeks 5 days ago||He's gone. Let's try to be||
He's gone. Let's try to be civil about it.
|21 weeks 5 days ago||Hagerup!||
|21 weeks 5 days ago||Phew, big break there.||
Phew, big break there.
|21 weeks 5 days ago||Probably a good call||
Probably a good call actually. Two guys behind him ready to down it. Good execution (ugh) by Minn.
|21 weeks 5 days ago||What's the flag for?||
What's the flag for?
|21 weeks 5 days ago||Oh I'm not upset about it,||
Oh I'm not upset about it, like you say, it's pretty normal. Still, to pick one guy out of 115 to highlight as the only one with drive and then seeing him out partying before gameday isn't exactly consistent.
|21 weeks 5 days ago||Kind of ironic the one guy||
Kind of ironic the one guy Desmond Howard singled out as having a drive to be great in practice was A) actually hurt in practice and B) caught on social media doing things that are the opposite of that.
|21 weeks 5 days ago||(No subject)|
|21 weeks 5 days ago||Unstoppable throw god showed||
Unstoppable throw god showed up today. Plus PSU's OL may literally be the worst I have ever seen. It's amazing they managed to paper over it and remain undefeated until now.
|21 weeks 5 days ago||PSU guy blocking other PSU||
PSU guy blocking other PSU guy. Wow. Remember guys, it can always get worse.
|21 weeks 5 days ago||Yes, because fair would be to||
Yes, because fair would be to be as shitty to the backup as you are to the starter.
|21 weeks 5 days ago||I thought he was the only one||
I thought he was the only one in practice that had swagger?
In all seriousness, if this is the week to have this happen. Next week we're on the road against Schrodinger's QB in Gary Nova. Hopefully he'll be back by then.
|21 weeks 5 days ago||I think Hackenberg just died.||
I think Hackenberg just died.
|21 weeks 5 days ago||Best: The team sees an||
Best: The team sees an incredible turnaround. Goes 9-3 or 8-4 with at least one rival win
Bad: Team collapses and we don't get bowl eligible.
Worst: Hoke does ok (8-4 with both rival losses, or 7-5 with one rival win), gets fired anyway, No available candidates. Underwhelming comes into divided fanbase, runs off a bunch of players that don't fit the new system, recruiting craters. We go through another coaching transition in 3-4 years.
|21 weeks 5 days ago||Ok, fair inference that that||
Ok, fair inference that that might be the case, but it's still not what Desmond said.
|21 weeks 5 days ago||Howard didn't say Hoke wasn't||
Howard didn't say Hoke wasn't a good coach. He said the players lacked the drive to be great.
|21 weeks 5 days ago||Give Me A Fucking Break. This||
Give. Me. A. Fucking. Break. This is one of the most insanely idiotic things I've read here ever. What a gutless, cowardly, disingenuious thing to say. What have you done in your life to question Hoke's "fire?"
Hoke started coaching at the HS level in 1982 and worked himself through the ranks (GVSU, Western Michigan, Toledo, Oregon State) before winning the Michigan DL coach job in 1995. He then left to earn his dues as a HC at Ball St in 2002, and then SDSU before coming back to Michigan.
You have no fucking clue the amount of dedication it takes to grind for 30 years to reach your dream job in a cut throat, merciless profession like coaching. You have no idea the sacrifices he, and his family, have had to make along the way. It's all too easy for you, guy behind the keyboard, to question his effort and dedication, isn't it?
|21 weeks 5 days ago||PSU's DC seems to be allergic||
PSU's DC seems to be allergic to carrying TEs down the seam.
|21 weeks 5 days ago||Exactly. You can't fucking||
Exactly. You can't fucking win with the "no fire in the bell" argument. Guys being upbeat and happy? "Look, they don't even care." Guys looking depressed? "Look, they gave up." Guys getting mad? "Look, the team's falling apart."
|21 weeks 5 days ago||He did what you expect a FR||
He did what you expect a FR to do in their first start, and Borges deserves some credit for giving him a good game plan to protect him a bit. He's been spotty in relief, but so has Gardner in his time. He's also not as bad as his stats suggest. I'm not sure he's the answer either, but it's pretty clear to me that he deserves the start today given the situation.
|21 weeks 5 days ago||We have a lot of problems. QB||
We have a lot of problems. QB is one of them. Just because it isn't the only problem or even the biggest doesn't mean you don't try to address it.
|21 weeks 5 days ago||PSU's OL might be worse than||
PSU's OL might be worse than ours last year.
|21 weeks 5 days ago||I really hate attacks on||
I really hate attacks on players' motivation. I mean, it could be true, but it could also be just a cliched thing to say about a team not doing well. There's no way to know what's in a player's heart, especially not after attending one practice, so I wish commentators would be a lot more careful about questioning effort. I dunno, I saw a team come out after a 1.5 hour weather delay with just about no chance to win and play hard to the finish. They have my benefit of the doubt that they're still working hard, and I think Desmond's comments should be taken with a healthy grain of salt.
|21 weeks 5 days ago||Depends on attrition and||
Depends on attrition and recruiting impact, as well as how much the new guy's systems can use the guys we have.
It's certainly possible to have instant success, but definitely not guaranteed. And then we might have a Hoke in 2011 situation were the guys getting older have a great season, but a hole in 2015 recruiting and attrition hits us a couple years later.
|21 weeks 5 days ago||Probably not enough for||
Probably not enough for another thread, but Chad is going to be an honorary captain Saturday, including going out for the opening coin toss.
|21 weeks 5 days ago||I've been a staunch Devin||
I've been a staunch Devin supporter all along until the last game. The time has come. I know the odds of Morris being much better (or any better) are slim, but you can't just keep sending Devin out there when he's clearly in a deep slump and probably hurt as well. If Morris collapses, then Gardner goes back in and you're right were you started off, minus one or two terrible turn-overs, which we're having anyway. You'll take that for a chance at a spark to jumpstart the offense.
I also think you guys are selling Morris short. Yeah, he didn't look great in the scrimmages, but he was still better than Gardner both times. The KSU game was just fine for a true freshman start. They limited his risk and he did well in that circumstance, as planned. Pushing the ball downfield trying to make up a big deficit isn't exactly high percentage, nor has Gardner been great in that scenario either.
|21 weeks 6 days ago||Was about 20 minutes from||
Was about 20 minutes from buying tickets Wednesday but ended up not because I was starting to come down with a flu. Glad I didn't because I'm completely need ridden right now. :( Would really have liked to, this is probably the last chance this season for me before Maryland.
|21 weeks 6 days ago||The vultures are circling.||
The vultures are circling.
|21 weeks 6 days ago||Maybe long term, DG to WR||
Maybe long term, DG to WR would make sense after Morris has had a couple good games under his belt, but I would be pretty surprised if he practiced anywhere but QB this week. Morris might get the start, but the odds of DG having to relieve him are way too high not to have Devin go through a solid week of prep.
|21 weeks 6 days ago||It certainly has the same||
It certainly has the same everyone coming out of the woodwork to take shots feel
|21 weeks 6 days ago||A good reminder there's more||
A good reminder there's more to life than wins and losses. Couldn't be prouder of this team despite the rough patch and get better soon Chad.
|22 weeks 8 hours ago||Yup, anyone with a heart has||
Yup, anyone with a heart has to feel the same way. The only thing that makes me feel a bit better about it is I think Gardner could definitely use a week off to gather himself and probably heal up physically too. As disappointed as he has to be about this, I'm sure there's a part of him that is probably relieved too.
Who knows how long this will last. too. If he doesn't give up, which nothing he's done so far indicates that he will, he could be right back in there next week, or heck it might even be earlier if Morris doesn't do well.
|22 weeks 8 hours ago||The App St INT was mostly on||
The App St INT was mostly on Darboh not coming back to the ball, something he did to Gardner and got him an INT too against ND. The throw was late too in both cases, but running a lazy route on a long hitch like that is asking for the DB to recover and jump your route.
He looked fine against Miami, his numbers suffered because of the two drops.
Utah INT was mostly due to weather IMO. The ball just slipped out of his hands, Chesson was open. The fumble was in fact a true rookie mistake that they'll have to fix before he starts.
I agree with the poster above. Getting a start with a week of prep and a game plan tailored to you very different than getting throw in mid game in garbage time or in tire fire time.
I do think you're right that people should temper their expectations and not expect a complete transformation of the offense, but at the same time, he deserves a shot and at this point Michigan has to take that chance.
|22 weeks 1 day ago||Occam's Razor says he got||
Occam's Razor says he got old.
|22 weeks 1 day ago||Meh||
This team's got 99 problems but stonewalling the press ain't 1.
|22 weeks 1 day ago||It was fucking bizarre. How||
It was fucking bizarre. How is someone in the outfield stands supposed to relay the sign back into the hitter from that distance in time?
|22 weeks 1 day ago||Soria's coming off of injury||
Soria's coming off of injury though, perfect opportunity to work him in with no pressure. I actually was wondering if Sanchez would get the ninth for the same reason.
|22 weeks 1 day ago||Sale hitting Victor Martinez||
Sale hitting Victor Martinez and then talking shit really woke the Tigers up. The binoculars thing Kinsler did right back to him was freaking priceless.
|22 weeks 1 day ago||He did look awfully good||
He did look awfully good against Miami though, sample size and competition caveats, of course. He only got targeted for a couple of those hitches this game and seemed more or less fine. He seems to excel at being nose to nose with WRs and given the straight forward task of covering 1 vs 1. He's still picking up the finer points of zone coverage and play diagnosis on the other hand.
My guess is with everyone healthy, Lewis and Taylor man the outside and Peppers plays a much more active blitzing type of nickel. Countess is likely odd man out except to spell guys and on dime packages. I will say, our safety depth with the injuries is starting to get a little alarming so moving someone to safety isn't the worst idea in the world. It's easier said than done though, safety might be one of the hardest positions to learn on defense.
|22 weeks 1 day ago||The key difference is that||
The key difference is that baseball players and basketball players don't develop slumps as the result of being repeatedly pummeled into goo
|22 weeks 1 day ago||The dispirited thing is a||
The dispirited thing is a double edged sword sometimes. I remember distinctly people ragging on Denard smiling and jumping around while we were down, alleging that he didn't care. Being pissed and dejected on the sideline on the other hand brings out the opposite critique, that the players have given up.
|22 weeks 1 day ago||I agree with most of your||
I agree with most of your post except that I think Hoke knows with probably 95%+ certainty who's going to start but just isn't going to tell anyone about it.
|22 weeks 1 day ago||Regarding the per play stats||
Regarding the per play stats being pretty decent.... that's about the only hope I have left to hang on to. Based on that, it seems like we're close, closer than last year. It seems like there's an offense in there that can be serviceable if not for a couple of factors. Unfortunately, those factors seem to not be easy fixes. On the other hand, last year we were an all around tire fire but had some very low hanging fruit in terms of areas to address (i.e. Borges and Offensive Line). I dunno, I'm kind of fluctuating between thinking we're going to get better and thinking that this is as good as it's going to be. There don't seem to be many in season adjustments available anymore outside of maybe QB other than just keep getting reps in practice and hoping for the best.
|22 weeks 1 day ago||At this point the most||
At this point the most compelling reason for me to bench Gardner is for Gardner's own sake. The kid needs at least a week off to heal physically and mentally. He has been an absolute warrior and team player his whole time at Michigan, it kills me that he's been ground down to a shell of himself. I want nothing more than to see him succeed, but at this point keeping him out there doesn't seem like it's in the interest of either Michigan or Devin Gardner.
|22 weeks 1 day ago||On the other hand, why make||
On the other hand, why make it easier?
|22 weeks 1 day ago||Hard to say. I think on OL||
Hard to say. I think on OL and maybe RB, there's enough data there to suggest the position coaches aren't doing their job. Other positions seem less clear. It's not an across the board issue, since walk-ons and lower ranked guys are breaking out along side the guys that aren't living up to the hype (R Glasgow and Pipkins at NT for example, Jeremy Clark and Dymonte Thomas at S, etc)
|22 weeks 1 day ago||I think it's more that||
I think it's more that they're trying not to look behind. As in, ND and Utah sucked, but they don't matter to our goal for the season.
|22 weeks 1 day ago||I knew someone was going to ask this||
First of all, this presser happened Monday morning (see date in title). Second of all, watching the video, it seems pretty obvious to me that Blake let the miscommunication bit slip accidentally and the reporters sort of cornered him with the follow up question on specifics and neither Blake nor Jake really wanted to answer it. My guess is they didn't want to throw an individual under the bus, so Jake defaulted to the generic it was all of us answer.
|22 weeks 1 day ago||This team is weird in terms||
This team is weird in terms of player development. I think we can all agree we've had a lot of stud guys not pan out (yet). But then we find lots of diamonds in the rough too, so it's not like there's no development going on. I have no idea why it's happening.
|22 weeks 1 day ago||There's a couple of position||
There's a couple of position coaches I'd definitely give the firm hand shake too. I'm not really sold on Wellman either. He seems like a great liason and motivator for the coaches during no-contact periods, but our guys seem slow and weak. The S&C staff seems to focus a lot on body composition numbers rather than functional strength and speed/quickness. Since we're a football team and not a bodybuilding team, I'm not sure how much that translates to the field.
|22 weeks 1 day ago||I appreciate that point. If||
I appreciate that point. If not for the last 3 years, no one would question Nuss's decision to slow down during the installation process. I still think it stands to reason that Hoke is not dictating tempo and the last 3 years were a Borges preference and we're slow for a different reason right now.
It looks by the eye test that our tempo isn't deliberate one way or the other right now and more of a function of just making sure all the boxes are checked. Borges seemed to get calls in late a lot and we'd break the huddle late. But, at the same time, we did have some tempo packages we'd trot out when needed.
I guess we'll find out as the season unfolds. Even so, my qualitative feel is that we actually have been better at getting to the line faster. The plays that go right down to the last second are either audibles (hooray!) or big shifts and motions (like on the 4th and 1 delay of game).
|22 weeks 1 day ago||Yeah, I'm sort of in||
Yeah, I'm sort of in agreement I guess. We do a lot of tried and true stuff that still works fine. We're not interested in trying the more innovative stuff for the most part. That's fair. I don't think that's what a lot of the comments are implying though, people think he's a guy that never watched a snap of football after 1997 and I don't think that's fair at all.
|22 weeks 1 day ago||A bit of apples to oranges,||
A bit of apples to oranges, Morris was less polished and had an obvious cannon for an arm. His o-line sucked and he ran for his life often. He also missed must of his senior season to mono.
Malzone seems to me much more polished and has more of the leadership intangibles to organize and run the offense. He doesn't have the immediate wow factor on his throws like Shane but seems to use what he had every efficiently.
|22 weeks 1 day ago||I never said we were at the||
I never said we were at the vanguard of college football, but I have a hard time buying your obsolete characterization when teams are winning national championships and rose bowls with much the same style as us.
|22 weeks 1 day ago||Better to walk them off||
Better to walk them off anyway. :)
|22 weeks 1 day ago||You're not giving them enough||
You're not giving them enough credit. They're making potentially the most important decision of their life after all. Even if they don't, they have plenty of people in their ear that will (parents, opposing coaches, etc). Ace put it best, these guys are choosing between varying degrees of heaven, so this could be plenty to spook them enough to choose one of the many other teams fawning over them.
|22 weeks 1 day ago||Just because we're not Oregon doesn't make us outdated||
Huddling isn't outdated, some people do it some don't.
QB at WR was a ploy to keep Devin engaged so he didn't transfer. Both Hoke and Gardner have said things to that effect.
I have no idea what you're talking about with Gallon, he was the #1 receiver and we used him everywhere.
Size in WR was most likely a Borges thing. We've also brought in speed guys like Canteen and Damario Jones. Norfleet is now playing slot (quickness more than speed, but certainly not size). Even Borges had no issues using Dileo
Size over speed at RB, probably valid, but again not exactly outdated.
Norfleet, again, is finally being utilized. Probably a Borges thing.
Morris seems to move just fine. Again, we're not Oregon, but that doesn't mean we're outdated.
I'm going to stop there but you get the idea.
|22 weeks 1 day ago||Nuss talked about the tempo||
Nuss talked about the tempo thing. He wants to go faster, but wants the offense to stop fucking things up first and foremost before adding more to the plate. I really doubt it's something Hoke dictates, he even said time of possession is overrated. Even Borges had a "NASCAR" hurry up package, the fact that we don't even have that yet seems to point to Nuss being correct that this is a transitional thing that will be addressed when they get the basics.
This is the first year that we haven't run our QBs. We didn't do it as much as say RR did maybe, but the inverted veer and zone read was still an integral part of the offense. Even this year we ran it some until Miami. Oh, and by the way, both our QBs didn't make it through the season in consecutive years. I'm not convinced Gardner is not hurt right now (maybe why we stopped running him after ND), I mean he certainly hasn't looked very dynamic running the bal recently.
I think your paragraph is valid. When things don't go well, every little thing is a potential problem.
|22 weeks 1 day ago||The post games are usually at||
The post games are usually at a table, but a lot of the interviews are just off to the side. The players often all do their interviews simultaneously so reporters go interview and listen to whoever they're interested in doing a story on any given week, so the spread out and set up where ever there's room.
|22 weeks 1 day ago||This idea that Hoke is stuck||
This idea that Hoke is stuck in the past is way way overblown. I mean what are we talking about here? Spread punt? Ok, but other people still use it. What else? Are you telling me inside zone is outdated? Under center? Doesn't seem to stop Alabama or LSU or Stanford, etc, etc.
For whatever reason, our guys aren't executing (and yes, as much as we ridicule that idea, it does, you know, actually matter). Whether that's a coaching thing or not is a valid question, and yes there have been some straight up coaching errors, but some of the caricatures of Hoke are getting pretty divorced from reality.
|22 weeks 1 day ago||Most importantly, it looks||
Most importantly, it looks like Dennis isn't seriously hurt from the game, which is great. It looked like he maybe separated his shoulder there.
Secondly, I don't think this is a concerted effort by Hoke or Brandon or whoever to drum up support. The media is regularly given access to certain players every week, so nothing new there. I think Mattison and his players genuinely care about Hoke and when prompted by the media about criticism, the jump to defend him is organic and authentic.
|22 weeks 1 day ago||I like JUB, but his campaign||
I like JUB, but his campaign against DB has lost me completely. He just seems to have an axe to grind here and has lost objectivity. I dunno, he doesn't pull off "critic" very well and should stick with the more documentary type of stuff.
|22 weeks 1 day ago||Recruits aren't dumb. A||
Recruits aren't dumb. A change in the head coach isn't far behind a change in the AD. If they don't put it together, I'm sure the media will be making that connection for them.
If and AD and HC change is necessary so be it, but let's do it the right way, have our ducks in a row and the next people lined up. The last thing we need is a circus of non stop speculation and public displays of dysfunction.
|22 weeks 1 day ago||The program is already in||
The program is already in crisis. People very publicly stiring shit up and calling for very big fundamental changes is always going to scare recruits. Will it actually scare any away? I dunno, but why take that chance for what's basically a classless publicity stunt?
|22 weeks 1 day ago||In terms of punt formation, I||
In terms of punt formation, I think the stubborn tag is apt, but in general, I'm not sure if that shoe actually fits. I understand why people think that, Hoke certainly has been talking a big talk about a certain identity he wants in his team. But if you look at the actual product on the field, I think he's actually shown a remarkable flexibility. We've run two different defenses and various variations on those themes. We ran a hybrid spread/pro style with Denard, unsuccessfully and grudgingly at times maybe, but it was a lot more accomodating than, say RR was with the guys he had (that's not a knock on RR btw, I think that's the norm for most coaches). If you look at his prior stops, you'd see even more flexibility, pretty much leaving it up to his coordinators to decide.
I also don't think he's averse to analytics and statistics. He's reference them in pressers at times and his game theory decisions (going for it on 4th, going for two, etc) have overwhemingly been correct based on the stats. All this makes the punt thing even more of a head scratcher, and I think OP might be on to something with his theory that Hoke's initial impression of the shield punt was so bad it gave him a lasting bias against it.
|22 weeks 1 day ago||As an outsider, I'm rooting||
As an outsider, I'm rooting for him and support the hardline clean start approach he's taking. If I were a Texas fan, I'd be very nervous. I don't get the feel from Texas fans that they have a lot of patience for a rebuilding process. A disciplinarian, after Mack, is a positive thing, but winning is going to matter more. If he can't win, this will go from a positive to a negative faster than Hoke's colloquialisms.
|22 weeks 1 day ago||The fanbase's discontent with||
The fanbase's discontent with Brandon and the program is well known. Mr. Analytics and social media that he is, there's no way he's not aware and if you believe the Regents story from yesterday, the Regents are well aware too. There's no need to resort to this bush league stunt.
|22 weeks 1 day ago||That's fine from a woe is me||
That's fine from a woe is me reaction about our current QB and coaching situation, but there's no way it doesn't affect the gameplanning Minnesota does.
|22 weeks 1 day ago||You're right about not||
You're right about not promising anything in the first place, but it's his prerogative to change his mind about it. It's really not that big of a deal. No one would bat an eye about it if the program wasn't under such intense scrutiny right now.
|22 weeks 2 days ago||Are we actively trying to||
Are we actively trying to sabotage our program now? You might as well fund a warning for recruits and propective coaches not to come here too.
|22 weeks 2 days ago||I guess I should have||
I guess I should have included the /s
|22 weeks 2 days ago||It's a matter of public||
It's a matter of public record if you're really interested
|22 weeks 2 days ago||I'm really excited about||
I'm really excited about Malzone. I'm kinda jaded about blue chippers with NFL attributes given our recent lack of production out of those types of guys. Give me a guy that has the mental atributes, skill, and intangibles to be successful at the college level over a raw athletic measurables anyday.
|22 weeks 2 days ago||I missed the whole Coke gate||
I missed the whole Coke gate thing last night. Can someone give me the cliff notes version? I mean it sounds to me like Coke bought a block of tickets from the AD and then botched the stipulations of the give-away. Isn't that a Coke fuck-up?
|22 weeks 2 days ago||No huddle also means everyone||
No huddle also means everyone gets their plays from the sideline, or they have to memorize a scripted series of plays. Both require practice time to implement. Shane tried to go no huddle and it was just as slow because it took everyone so much time to get on the same page.
|22 weeks 2 days ago||WUT?||
The first damn question was about tempo. Do you people even bother reading the thing before you start bitching?
|22 weeks 2 days ago||I'm not sold on Shaw. He||
I'm not sold on Shaw. He shows some Hokesque tendencies. Harbaugh left him a sustainable program and he hasn't cratered it yet, but I don't know if he's the right guy for a turnaround job.
|22 weeks 2 days ago||That's exactly the conundrum||
That's exactly the conundrum right now. We aren't in a position to take another chance and there aren't any low risk guys and our current guy is on his way to being untenable by season's end or sooner. Rock-hard place, frying pan-fire, etc
|22 weeks 2 days ago||The very next sentence||
Now, can you say consistently as a group we’ve come a long way? I wouldn’t say that. I thought that the other night we took a little bit of a step back
|22 weeks 2 days ago||Do you want a restraining||
Do you want a restraining order?
Because that's how you get a restraining order.
|22 weeks 2 days ago||Sorry Seth, but unless you're||
Sorry Seth, but unless you're willing to go into particulars, this is borderline irresponsible. Jon was 65. It's perfectly normal for people to retire at that age (i.e. leave voluntarily).
|22 weeks 2 days ago||That's why we only field 10||
That's why we only field 10 players on special teams. Can't be too careful.
|22 weeks 2 days ago||Sure I'm not the only||
Sure I'm not the only one.
You're not, and that's the problem.
|22 weeks 2 days ago||Charlie Weiss is the other||
Charlie Weiss is the other half.
Like I said above, considering our problem the last 7 years has been only being good on one side of the ball, it seems like taking a chance and being the first HC gig for a coordinator promotion seems like too much of a leap of faith. We need someone that has shown they can at least manage both sides of the ball successfully and handle all the other HC responsibilities that coordinators would be dealing with for the first time.
|22 weeks 2 days ago||Too much risk, IMO. The first||
Too much risk, IMO. The first sign of trouble and people will point to their lack of track record at a top level. If this was the hire to replace Carr, I'd be all for it, but after 7 years of misery, you have to go with known entities.
|22 weeks 2 days ago||The guys been through hell||
The guys been through hell and back. You can't blame him for losing a step along the way. I guess the word I would use is sad, because I feel sad for Devin that it's come to this.
|22 weeks 2 days ago||Right, and this thread is||
Right, and this thread is about what Hoke has to say about something. Look I don't mean to pick on you, but threads like this and the presser transcripts are filled with comments like "why does anyone listen to these guys?" If you don't, fine, I don't blame you. Don't just show up to make snippy comments that add no value to any discussion.
|22 weeks 2 days ago||I agree, no one is a||
I agree, no one is a guarantee, especially with how deep some of our issues go. However, there are varying degrees of risk. This year looks especially bad, virtually no candidates, and UF will be fighting us for whomever there is. Next year might not be better, but it might. It's very complicated and at some point it comes down to a leap of faith either way. I'm just bringing up the other side of the argument because I see a lot of "well it can't get worse" types of arguments for getting risk of Hoke, and I think the last few years have taught us a little something about how things can always get worse.
|22 weeks 2 days ago||I dunno, the defense looks||
I dunno, the defense looks pretty good. I mean, that's the issue right, we can't get both sides of the ball to competency going on 7 years now. I don't see how hiring a coordinator as a HC is going to help that.
|22 weeks 2 days ago||File under necessary but not||
File under necessary but not sufficient
|22 weeks 2 days ago||Do you honestly believe that?||
Do you honestly believe that? I get it, "they both suck, har har." But, their skillsets couldn't be more different. One is a dynamic athlete that can't seem to push the ball more than 20 yards downfield (like physically). The other is a semi-mobile guy with a rocket launcher arm. You don't think that's going to change how Minnesota defends?
|22 weeks 2 days ago||Why the hell would we want||
Why the hell would we want Minn to know who the starting QB is?
|22 weeks 2 days ago||Still care enough to read and||
Still care enough to read and comment apparently.
|22 weeks 2 days ago||You're right about both. Nuss||
You're right about both. Nuss is not happy with the pace, but he's less happy with the execution. Until that part starts getting better, he's hesitant to add even more pressure on the offense. He said as much in this week's presser.
I agree with you that Hoke can't simultaneously be the guy that is so hands off and knows nothing about X's and O's to the point he doesn't wear a headset, and be the guy that dictates the minutia details about how the offense is run.
|22 weeks 2 days ago||That's fair that not many of||
That's fair that not many of our star recruits have panned out yet, but the thing about the Michigan bump and self-fulfilling recruiting success isn't true. Our sleepers get Michigan bumps, but for the most part the blue chippers are blue chippers before they commit.
It's not just the recruiting services either. If you look at offer sheets, if we were off on evaluating these guys, so were many many other successful coaches.
|22 weeks 2 days ago||The schedule sets up nicely||
The schedule sets up nicely next year. The youth excuse will be all but totally gone next year. I don't know that Hoke and Co would be obvious lame ducks. Flaws and all, they might just put together 9-3 or better next year in which case the pressure is off for a bit and Michigan can be more patient in waiting for the home run hire.
|22 weeks 2 days ago||I don't like taking a chance||
I don't like taking a chance on a coordinator. There's always a big leap of faith that a person that's successful as a coordinator can run a program. I'd much rather take a shot at someone who's a head coach at a lower level than taking a shot on being someone's first head coaching gig.