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|5 weeks 16 hours ago||Facts||
"Oregon is nothing special"
They actually went to the Elite Eight last year and won the PAC-12 over really good Zona and UCLA teams.
We need players who don't take "2-3 years to develop"
In the last five years we've had 4 sophomores and a junior drafted by the NBA. Caris would've been drafted if he left in 2014, and we have two sophomores on this team we're praying come back. Yet we've won 10 tourney games in those five years. In contrast, Oregon had Brooks and Dorsey return for their junior year's and added a 6th year PG who had played in the tourney at Nova.
This guy is a trolling douchebag.
|5 weeks 18 hours ago||Not only that||
He played a year at Rice, sat out to transfer to Villanova, played two years there, then grad transferred to UO last year. Got hurt, then same NCAA that ended McGary's career because "the rules" gave him a 6th year based on "totality of the circumstances" rather than the actual fucking regulation that two years have to be lost to injury.
|15 weeks 3 days ago||No big misses||
Bama this year went 14-1 and was a second away from winning it all. OSU last year went 12-1 and finished ranked 4th. FSU went undefeated and made the playoff where they lost to Oregon. And Bama was poised to play for the title until the crazy last second kick return against Auburn.
|15 weeks 3 days ago||Auburn 2010||
That team was ranked in the 20s in the preseason poll, basically because nobody had ever heard of that guy Cam Newton.
Also, their 2013 team that went to the title game against FSU was unranked until mid season.
|15 weeks 5 days ago||Production wasn't problem||
Rawls didn't play a bunch and struggle at UM. He just didn't play. As an underclassman he was a backup to Fitz and later Denard when he moved to RB (understandable), then got buried on the depth chart behind freshman versions of Derrick Green and Smith. He got 3 carries as a junior and transferred.
Rawls wasn't limited by any circumstances other than never seeing the field.
|19 weeks 18 hours ago||Not outside legal system||
These panels are set up specifically to comply with and enforce federal law.
|19 weeks 19 hours ago||Code of conduct||
Also, pretty sure none of them ever say "You'll get kicked out of school if you and one or more of your friends has sex with the same girl. At least if she decides later that she regrets doing it."
|19 weeks 19 hours ago||"lays out his evidence to a committee"||
That is the crux of the issue here. That and defining the violation, which is a whole other can of worms when it comes to sexual assault (Is it possible for an intoxicated person to consent? What constitutes "intoxication", etc.). These committees are unqualified to examine this kind of evidence (Do they do DNA tests?). They are unable to gather evidence effectively (no crime techs, no subpoena power). And they are often disinclined to even pursue exculpatory evidence.
|19 weeks 19 hours ago||"the rape culture"||
Like the Duke lacrosse team. Or that terrible frat at UVA. Or that bastard Brian Banks. I remember when everybody was high fiveing them for raping people. Good times.
Your clear bias toward the accused in these kinds of cases (and let's not forget many in academia have a much broader view of what even constitutes sexual assault than most) is the reason these kinds of punitive extra-judicial bodies are so alarming.
|19 weeks 19 hours ago||Someone can't just say I cheated on a test||
You don't get charged with a crime because cheating on tests isn't a crime. Sexual assault is. The question is what these kids actually did and what evidence exists to substantiate they actually did it. I don't think a potentially biased university panel is the best place to determine that, and in practice it often leads to innocent guys being fucked over (and yes being kicked out of school for sexual assault brands you as a rapist) either to avoid litigation or because the people involved in decision making have an agenda that can't be questioned by the accused in any sort of open hearing.
|19 weeks 20 hours ago||Investgation||
Because schools have no particular competence in the field of sexual assault investigations, because many in academia have a strong bias about who is to be believed in these cases and what even constitutes a violation, because these investigations often provide few if any rights to the accused, and because the idea that 5 guys raped somebody and 5 more participated enough to justify some punishment, yet the cops declined to pursue the case seems fishy on its face.
|19 weeks 20 hours ago||What standard?||
There is a middle ground. If you ask some people in academia what even constitutes sexual assault you can get some wildly varying answers.
I don't think any man accused of something nefarious should necessarily be kicked out of school and branded a rapist.
|19 weeks 20 hours ago||And...||
The players are within their rights to refuse to play and make the school money if they feel like 10% of their roster is getting fucked over on the basis of weak accusations.
|19 weeks 20 hours ago||Based on what?||
Does any accusation allow the school to punish as many people as they can even plausibly tie to it? Does the accuser have to provide evidence? Can the accuser be questioned? Can the accused testify and offer evidence?
Or do we just boot the kids out of school and brand them all rapists?
|19 weeks 20 hours ago||Or...||
The Duke lacrosse team might have some advice.
|19 weeks 20 hours ago||Due process||
Maybe the kind you get in the criminal justice system, where no charges were filed against anyone, much less 10 players.
|19 weeks 20 hours ago||Not the coach||
These kids are getting booted from school by some Title IX investigative panel, not the football coach.
|20 weeks 3 days ago||This||
As an underclassman he was behind Fitz and (after he got hurt and moved to RB) Denard. His junior year he got 3 carries and then transferred. He didn't underperform on the field here, he just never played.
|21 weeks 20 hours ago||SC athletes||
McKnight signed with SC just months after starting point guard Ryan Francis was murdered while home in Baton Rouge when car he was riding in was shot at over some dumb beef at a nightclub. Fucking sad.
|25 weeks 3 days ago||Lamar Odom||
Harrick got fired one year after winning the national title at UCLA for recruiting shenanigans and later booted at Georgia for a long list of NCAA violations. Odom got UNLV put on probation even though he never ended up going there. It was a match made in heaven that ended in the Elite Eight against Mark Madsen and Stanford.
|25 weeks 4 days ago||Facts||
Rudock threw 20 TD and 9 INT last year. Not much different than Denard, and that is with loads of starting experience. Gardner, who I see people raving about, threw 10 TD and 15 INT as a senior.
Turns out Hoke/Borges are shitty coaches who made QBs worse. In a coherent system with quality coaching Denard gets better as a passer as he gains experience and can run less when Fitz came back healthy in 2011. Offensive line play would almost certainly have been better with Harbaugh as well.
The idea that an offense was created to highlight Denard at the expense of the team (because accounting for 91 career TD hurts somehow) is so fucking dumb it is hard to respond to.
|25 weeks 4 days ago||Accuracy||
Denard completed 62.5% of his passes as a true sophomore. Speight is hitting 62.8% this year, and is averaging about half a yard less per attempt. AND Denard rushed for 1,700 yards. He would have been incredible at QB with any competent OC, and probably wins the Heisman in 2011 with Harbaugh/Drevno/Fisch.
|34 weeks 2 days ago||No way|
|37 weeks 3 days ago||Freshmen WR||
Yeah, the idea that "freshmen WR suck" is pretty preposterous at most major programs. At USC, Mike Williams posted 1,200+ yards and 14 TD as a freshman in 2002. A year later Steve Smith put up 300+ yards as the number 3 WR. The next year, Dwayne Jarrett had 849 yards and 13 TD. In 2010 Robert Woods had 792 yards receiving and ran a kickoff back for a TD. In 2011 Marqise Lee had 1,100+ yards and 11 TD. In 2014 Juju Smith-Schuster put up over 700 yards. In 2012 Nelson Agholor put up over 300 yards, and probably would have had a lot more if he wasn't playing with Woods/Lee who combined for 2,500+ yards and 25 TD.
That is a major contribution every 2-3 years. Getting that kind of boost probably shouldn't be the annual expectation, but acting like it is impossible is kind of silly, and probably more a result of our program not being all that great over the last decade plus than anything else.
|39 weeks 2 days ago||2 years||
Campbell played for Hoke in 2011 and 2012.
|39 weeks 4 days ago||Omameh...||
He started every game for the Bucs in 2014 and played a bunch for the Bears last year. Fitz was on the active roster for the Ravens and Steelers, and contributed for Pittsburgh in the playoffs last year. Kovacs has played for Miami, though I don't think ever started. Cam Gordon has a Super Bowl ring. So that's another four off the top of my head.
Rodriguez had two full recruiting classes at Michigan. One was really good (record setting QB, 1,000 yard RB, record setting WR, 2X B1G lineman of the year and another NFL OL, Campbell, Roh, Gordon, Gordon, Kovacs, etc., all guys who played a big role in helping Hoke win the Sugar Bowl in his first year). By the time the second one was ready to sign much of the fanbase wanted RR fired and it was clear he had zero support from the new athletic director.
|44 weeks 6 days ago||JMFR||
Roh was asked to bulk up a ton and really became a different kind of player than he looked like as a recruit. The guy you are leaving out of the equation though is Jake Ryan, who posted 27 TFL in the two years he played with Roh (as an underclassman). He is the guy who really played that rush-end role we associate with a WDE and did it very well.
|44 weeks 6 days ago||Bulked up and played well||
He played on the 2011 Sugar Bowl team and was HM all-conference, then was 2nd team all-conference (as voted by the coaches) as a senior. If he had been able to redshirt you are possibly talking about a fantastic three year run as a starter with loads of all-conference recognition.
|47 weeks 2 days ago||Recent success||
They've also been to the Sweet Sixteen or better 5 times in the last decade. Not many programs can top that.
|47 weeks 4 days ago||Indeed||
That team finished 6th in the B1G in rushing offense and 9th out of 11 teams in the league at 4.0 ypc. Pining for that kind of performance makes no sense at all.
Seems like someone blacked out during the OSU game that year as well.