landing spot. will be interesting to see how he does.
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|1 week 6 days ago||Doubtful||
We don't get any benefit playing ASU at Yost. This isn't like football where you make enough selling 100,000+ that you are willing to pay teams to come to you.
This game is being played at the Coyotes' NHL arena. It is a showcase for their new program, but it is also a big event opportunity for UM fans on the west coast. I'm planning on traveling in from SoCal because that is pretty much the only way to see UM hockey without venturing across the entire country (Phoenix is just an hour flight from LA, OC, and San Diego, or you can drive it on gameday in about the same time it takes to get to Vegas). The hockey parents get a nice trip, the program gets to sell playing in multiple NHL arenas during the season, and we get to see a ton of UM fans take over a big barn in Arizona.
This is as much about marketing and exposure for Michigan as it is for ASU, and it should be a nice event. Repeating it in Ann Arbor doesn't really make sense until ASU is better at hockey.
|1 week 6 days ago||Perhaps more importantly||
This game will be played at the NHL arena where the Coyotes play (so tickets should be abundant), but it looks like ASU sells beer during games at their own hockey venue. Guessing the booze will be flowing throughout the building, and I couldn't be happier.
|1 week 6 days ago||Pumped||
Do not care about the RPI implications, very excited to play at ASU. Can't wait to head to Phoenix and catch that game. Guessing there are a lot of other west coast alums who haven't seen a game in a long time that would make that trip as well.
|2 weeks 2 days ago||Who knew?||
Just a few years ago SMU hired a hall of fame coach who had won a gold medal, an NCAA championship, and an NBA championship. Then they started bending the rules like fucking crazy.
Maybe you should judge them by what they are instead of using your perception of what they used to be or should be to get upset about what has been a largely very successful basketball program here at UM.
|2 weeks 2 days ago||Point guard||
Lonzo Ball is the #5 overall recruit on the 247 composite and the #2 PG. He posted 13 assists to just 1 turnover at the McDonald's game (and he's listed at 6'6"). That is a Kentucky level recruit and he will almost certainly take over that spot from Bryce. TJ Leaf is also a 5-star guy and Ike Anigbogu gives them another top-60 big man.
I'm quite far from a UCLA or Alford fan, but I think they'll definitely be better this year.
|2 weeks 3 days ago||Did you miss all the other stuff?||
John Beilein has won 10 NCAA tourney games at UM (not counting this year's play-in game). Tom Crean has won 6 at IU (in just one fewer season). Mark Turgeon has won 6 at A&M and Maryland in the same period that Beilein has been at UM. Matt Painter has won 8 at Purdue, despite being there two seasons longer than Coach B has been at Michigan. Thad Matta has won 12 at OSU in the time Beilein has been here, despite a head start building his program. Both he and Bo Ryan inherited programs from coaches who had gone to the Final Four.
No one is celebrating "just making the tournament." But maybe people shouldn't weep about our basketball fortunes when the team still makes the tourney despite losing three early entrants to the NBA draft, its best player to injury, and another senior leader to injury.
|2 weeks 3 days ago||Another option||
Maybe we have a bunch of whiney pussies in our fanbase?
I think I'm going to go with that theory.
|2 weeks 3 days ago||Tough job||
Made the tourney 5 of the last 6 years, and 6 of the last 8. Won 10 NCAA tourney games since 2009. 2 B1G titles in the last 5 years.
Yeah, tough to watch, dude.
|2 weeks 3 days ago||Should be better||
The Bruins had a very down year, but went to the Sweet 16 both years prior. They also bring in a pretty elite recruiting class (#5, 18, and 54 on the 247 composite rankings) and should presumably be much improved.
|2 weeks 3 days ago||The bitching knows no logic||
UCONN has won 4 national titles in the last 20 years. SMU went 25-5 last year.
People who want to bitch seek out reasons to bitch.
|5 weeks 6 days ago||Basketball expectations||
The person asking this question mentions this season's "disappointing results". This team lost its leader in points, rebounds, and assists for the entire conference season and the postseason. They still made the tourney and lost a close game to a higher seed and a pretty decent team that ended up going all the way to the Elite Eight.
What the fuck were your expectations if that is a disappointment? That we'd lose far and away our best player (not to mention Spike) and still go to the Final Four?
That is why people bitching about Beilein should be villified. In the last six years, we've had one "disappointing" season. A year after going to the Elite Eight when three sophomores jumped to the NBA draft (a year after another sophomore jumped to the NBA draft) and Walton and LeVert suffered season ending injuries.
The whining about our basketball program is beyond absurd.
|5 weeks 6 days ago||The Brandon Effect||
Making money is great, but short-term cash grabs that damage the brand you already have can often hurt more than they help. Dave Brandon did a bunch of dumb shit to supposedly cash-in while he was the AD here, but the athletic department ended up in worse shape financially. I think someone like Jeanie Buss is smart enough to realize that making a few extra bucks from a patch on the jerseys is far less valuable in the long run than having an iconic franchise.
|5 weeks 6 days ago||Teams||
Couldn't a team kill this? Assuming it isn't mandatory, if someone like the Lakers, Celtics, Knicks, etc. declined to sell a patch, other teams would look bush league and be pressured not to do it as well, I would think.
|6 weeks 6 days ago||Just a guess||
But I think what you call the "garbage can games" were kind of part of the package. If I remember from over a decade ago, people would list their preference for games and the more games you were willing to pay for, the greater the chance that you would get OSU/MSU/ND tickets as well. So some people were paying face value for shitty seats to some of the lower profile games in order to get big game tickets.
StubHub has destroyed the market for those games by giving a real look at the value of the ticket. People aren't filling out forms and paying $50 when the same seats are online for $20 within a couple of clicks and you know exactly what you are getting.
|6 weeks 6 days ago||Anybody can join||
It has been that way since I worked there while attending UM in the early 2000's. Same price, too. The alumni association is basically a AAA type of organization that offers a series of benefits for a fee that usually exceeds the value of the benefits.
|7 weeks 2 hours ago||Marble||
We signed Tim Hardaway Jr. instead in that class. A better rated prospect and a better player who went pro and got picked in the first round after going to the national title game while Marble stayed on campus savoring his NIT all-tourney team ribbon.
If you're still surprised Tom Izzo is capable of signing elite recruits after one of the greatest careers in the history of college basketball I don't know what to tell you. The guy went to 4 Final Fours before Beilein got hired. It ain't on him that the dude is legit. It also doesn't stop us from being good (they were a solid team in 2013 and 2014 and we did okay too). It doesn't help us though if you give him credit for guys he hasn't actually signed yet like Josh Jackson.
|7 weeks 2 hours ago||#83||
According to the 247 composite.
|7 weeks 2 hours ago||This year||
All of our 4 players in the current class are ranked in the top 220 of the 247 composite. All are from MI or OH. The one guy in the next class is ranked #64 in the country (he's from Wisconsin, so still getting guys from the midwest who are good at basketball). And the same people who are bitching about not recruiting in the D are the same ones claiming that class isn't any good and will provide no benefit to next year's team because OMG Beilein tailspin.
|7 weeks 2 hours ago||What are you talking about?||
Valentine is from Lansing. Forbes is from Lansing (by way of Cleveland State). Eron Harris is from Indiana (by way of West Virginia U.). Costello is from Bay City. Davis is from Muskegon. E.G. nobody from Detroit at all making a significant impact.
And what new heights are you talking about? Getting knocked out in the first round like we did? WIth their best player actually in uniform rather than in street clothes?
Xavier has two kids from Detroit. Jalen Reynolds went to prep school for a year because he couldn't enroll out of high school and then was academically ineligible his first season at XU as well. Are you suggesting that is a feasible path to enrolling at UM? And Sumner barely played as a freshman, then had a very low efficiency year where he did score in double figures. Good, but not exactly "balling out" considering he shot under 40% and about 30% from 3 with an assist/turnover ratio less than 2:1.
I don't see anyone on the Iowa roster from the state of MIchigan besides Anthony Clemmons, and he's from Lansing. Jok and Uthoff are both from Iowa. Derrick Walton scored more points, had more assists, had twice as many rebounds, shot 8% better from the three point line and 21% better from the charity stripe. A kid Beilein just happened to sign out of Detroit.
|7 weeks 3 hours ago||Why?||
You realize the 2017 class has three state of Michigan players in the Rivals 150. One is from Grand Rapids and one is from Kalamazoo. None are ranked in the top 50.
The 2018 class has two in the Rivals 150. One from East Lansing and one from Belleville.
The best players in Detroit leave Detroit long before making a recruiting decision. Meanwhile Beilein has sent kids to the NBA from Ohio, Florida, Indiana, and Canada. Why would we focus recruiting efforts on a city that doesn't produce talent at a high level anymore?
|7 weeks 4 hours ago||Pass/Fail||
I would recommend taking advantage of the pass/fail option. Makes pretty much any class easy if all you need is a C- and allows you to just enjoy it. Then take something interesting that you wouldn't otherwise take (no sense in wasting the tuition dough on something you don't care about just to get an A as a senior).
I took John Whittier-Ferguson's class on James Joyce (pretty sure he's still at UM) and it was interesting and also had a light workload. 2 or 3 short papers and the final was just reading Ulysses out loud in a big group (which does take a while, but you don't have to study for it). Also took a class on the writing/construction of the New Testament that was pretty interesting (I'm not religious at all). Getting the historical context for when things were written and why certain things were included or excluded from the canon was neat and with the pass/fail option I could just listen along without having to stress about it.
|7 weeks 8 hours ago||Basketball||
They've made the tourney 4 of the last 5 years. Far and away their best stretch since the early 1960's. Probably doesn't get noticed because nobody really watches/covers Pac-12 basketball nationally.
|7 weeks 1 day ago||Trend||
Chatman started the year 2-16 from 3-point range. He then played very little the middle part of the season. From February on, he got more minutes and shot 7-15 in B1G games.
If he can consistently make the wide open threes he'll get as a 4 in this offense, he'll stay on the floor. Hopefully the latter part of the season is more indicative of what he can do going forward.
|7 weeks 1 day ago||1972||
Written and recorded by the late great Townes Van Zandt for his album "The Late Great Townes Van Zandt". Willie and Merle covered it in '83 and had a #1 country hit with it.
|9 weeks 10 hours ago||Longtime struggle?||
Mike Montgomery made the tournament ten years in a row before leaving for the NBA, and that included a run to the Final Four as well as another Elite Eight run.
Johnson and Dawkins were not nearly as consistent, but both made runs to the Sweet 16. Dawkins also had some bad luck with the tourney committee. Three times his teams finished .500 or better in the Pac-12 but got sent to the NIT. And they won it twice.
|9 weeks 3 days ago||None||
I've been to a number of NCAA events in basketball, hockey, and baseball, and nobody (myself excluded) goes to the other games. It seems insane to me that people pass up sitting around watching sporting events they've already paid for, but it definitely turns out I'm the crazy one because nobody does it.
The same has held true even for non-tournament events that are allowed to sell booze. SC/UCLA play baseball at Dodger Stadium every year while also hosting two out of town teams for kind of a round-robin weekend (the other two teams play at SC/UCLA Friday and Saturday, then play each other at Dodger Stadium before the SC/UCLA game). Last year TCU and Vanderbilt both had a decent turnout for their final game and virtually all of them were gone by the time SC and UCLA started.
|10 weeks 1 day ago||Shooting bigs||
If some combination of Donnal, Wilson, Wagner, and/or Chatman (who made big strides hitting 7/15 down the stretch) can become a consistent weapon shooting the three, this offense can become much more dangerous. What is exciting to me about Wagner in this role is his length. When he went to the bucket against one of the Purdue bigs, he was able to get to the basket with just one dribble from behind the line. If people are closing out on him hard he can be a monster performer going forward.
|10 weeks 1 day ago||It is that simple||
This team lost at OSU and Wisconsin (not exactly shitty teams or the friendliest of environments) and to a bunch of teams ranked #32 or better in the RPI. We played a very tough schedule in an abnormally loaded B1G this year (just look at all the great seniors I mentioned in my previous post).
You're using words like "gagging" and "atrocious" because watching your favorite team lose hurts your feelings. I get it. But the fact remains that the team did about as well as anyone had a right to expect considering the guys we lost to injury and the guys who departed early (Stauskas, McGary, Robinson) when everyone else's star players from the same class seem to have stayed four years..
|10 weeks 1 day ago||MSU||
In 2012 they won 29 games and went to the Sweet Sixteen. In 2013 they won 27 games and went to the Sweet Sixteen. In 2014 they won 29 games and went to the Elite Eight.
It didn't stop us from being good in any of those years. Yes, they are going to continue to have a strong program, but it doesn't really impact Michigan's fortunes.
|10 weeks 1 day ago||Why are we disappointed?||
If somebody told you we would lose Caris and Spike for the entire B1G season, but the team would still go 10-8 and make the tournament, wouldn't you have taken that deal in a heartbeat?
I really don't get all the hand-wringing. Yes, if we don't make the tournament next year, there might be a problem. But we bring back everybody and add a full recruiting class that addresses the size issue the current roster has and potentially introduces another playmaker into the offense. At a time when guys like Yogi, Valentine, Uthoff, Hammons, etc. are graduating across the conference.