Mike Lantry, 1972
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|3 weeks 2 days ago||It's all degree||
Martin's reaction is the whole issue, because if he didn't have a problem with it there wouldn't be a story.
Unless the stance you're taking is that all derogatory ribbing is off limits even in an NFL locker room (something I don't think you're saying) then we're just talking about what the people in question are comfortable with. Martin, if he was particularly sensitive about his sister, might have gotten just as pissed if they had said they wanted to take her out for a romantic dinner, court her in a gentlemanly fashion for an extended period of time, and then make sweet, sweet love to her on their wedding night. If anything it sounds way more believable than the stuff they said, and if we don't think Martin believed they were serious about acting out the things they said, we're still just talking about a guy getting his feelings hurt by words. The only way for anyone to know it bothers him is if Martin says something.
Just recently a good friend of mine insulted my heritage by suggesting I might want to go eat haggis out of my mother's private parts. I know he's joking. He knows it doesn't bother me because we are trying to make each other laugh by busting balls. If I respond as I did by insulting the Queen of England's hygiene and questioning her suitableness as a haggis delivery system, he has no way of knowing that I (hypothetically) found it particularly hurtful. If it did bother me then it is my responsibility to say something, especially if the ribbing goes both ways, which it seems like it did in this Incognito/Martin case.
Taking any of this shit out of context is unfair, IMO, even if Incognito seems like a particularly unpleasant person whose crossing the line point seems to differ from most other people. Especially when the parties involved are both large adult males. That line is still subjective.
At the end of the day, I don't give a shit about grown men getting their feelings hurt by words, especially if they act like they don't have a problem with it at the time.
|3 weeks 2 days ago||OK isn't the question||
Martin isn't a woman. He's an enormous, powerful professional athlete. If he had a problem with what was being said by Incognito, he should have told him to shut his mouth. If Incognito refused, he should have kicked him in the dick every day first thing in the morning until he did.
Bitching about it after the fact because someone said something mean (no matter how gross it is) is pathetic. I learned the "sticks and stones" lesson when I was fucking three. A grown man, especially one who is literally twice as big as I am, should have no problem absorbing the same lesson.
|3 weeks 2 days ago||Not just teammates||
I guess I have to go back and sue my dad for suggesting I might be gay because I wore cologne to a Jr. High dance. That was hate speech, not something that still makes me chuckle years later. Words hurt (oh wait, they fucking don't).
|7 weeks 11 hours ago||Others||
For every guy like that, there is a hyped recruit who isn't that great. Those guys are going pro because they are playing very well. Every guy we have who plays that well either leaves ASAP or seriously considers it and only comes back to move up the draft board.
We aren't special in that regard. The idea that we would take McGary and Robinson but wouldn't be interested in those guys is kind of silly.
|7 weeks 11 hours ago||Just stop||
We just went to the national title game. 2 of the 5 starters left early for the NBA draft. The other three are almost certainly going to be gone before their senior year (two came very close to leaving after just one season). And Darius Morris left after his sophomore season before them.
The idea that we are or can be really good without these kinds of players making up the bulk of the team is flat out dumb.
|7 weeks 11 hours ago||What guys are you talking about?||
McGary, Robinson, and Burke all came very close to leaving after just one year. Burke and Morris both left after just two. Manny and THJ left early as well. Stauskas, GRIII, and McGary will almost certainly do the same if the NBA is interested.
The idea that we somehow aren't interested in the very best basketball players in the country or that our guys aren't willing to bolt for the NBA as soon as they think they've hit their peak draft position, is just silly and a way to act like we're somehow better than other programs even if we don't beat them.
|7 weeks 12 hours ago||Give it a minute||
Last year was the first time in about 20 years that we made the 2nd weekend of the tournament. We also just got modern facilities.
To compare, Calipari had made at least the Sweet 16 seven seasons in a row before last year (between Memphis and UK). In six of those seasons he made the Elite Eight. They were also a #1 or a #2 seed in six of those seasons (we've yet to be higher than a #4 under Beilein). When kids have to remember back before they started junior high to find a time when you weren't being talked up as a top-notch team/coach, you are in great shape. Guys like Self, Williams, Boeheim, and Coach K have that already. Coach Beilein needs time to get there.
We're just now seen as a team that makes the tourney just about every year. We've also just started to have some big NBA draft successs. If we can make another deep run and guys like GRIII, McGary, Stauskas, etc. end up in the pros, we'll start to push teams like UK, Kansas, Duke, etc. for the top guys even more often.
|7 weeks 3 days ago||Anything you want||
Cable channels can say/do anything. The FCC only deals with over-the-air broadcasts for both TV and radio. The only limitations are self-imposed in order to attract and maintain advertising revenue.
|7 weeks 4 days ago||Not lucky to win the award||
But rather, Dickey was just lucky to have that good of a year out of the blue. A 37 year old knuckleballer riding the wind to that kind fo season isn't a particularly replicable event, as evidenced by the rest of the guy's career.
|7 weeks 4 days ago||Of course they can||
But by that logic, you would never give anybody more than a year or two on his contract, at which point you have zero chance to getting/keeping guys like Kershaw. This particular deal is way more likely to work out than most.
|7 weeks 4 days ago||Prediction based on what?||
Kershaw has 4 full seasons left before he turns 30. The last three years he's won the Cy Young, finished 2nd to lucky-ass knuckleballer RA Dickey, and won the Cy Young again. He's had an ERA under 3.00 the last five years in a row (basically every full season in the majors).
With no injuries and no lack of physical tools (this isn't a small guy overthrowing), there really isn't a safer bet to pay big bucks to.
|8 weeks 3 days ago||Weird perceptions continue||
The guy we missed this year is not Pipkins (who has posted 1 TFL in roughly 15 appearances), but Washington. For whatever reason, probably injury, he pretty much didn't play this year. Losing Pipkins after that didn't help, but Washington is the guy we missed.
|8 weeks 3 days ago||QB rushing||
Locker put up a little under 400 yards on the ground both years Nussmeier was there (though I suppose it is unclear whether he or Sark was really the primary guy running the offense). He also worked with Stanton at MSU. Should be pretty familiar with getting some rushing yardage from the QB spot.
|8 weeks 3 days ago||A little misleading||
That 2008 Washington team opened at Oregon (who would finish 10-3), lost a very close game to 10-3 BYU (the one where Locker drew a celebration flag pushing back the game-tying extra point and the kicker missed it), then lost to an OU team that went to the national title game.
In the second quarter of game 4 Locker got hurt and missed the rest of the season. Willingham then got fired halfway through the season, but stayed on as a lame duck to finish out the year.
Nussmeier has done impressive things, including at Washington, but that "turnaround" was going to happen no matter who the coach was once Locker came back healthy and the rest of the talent pool improved slightly above horrendous.
|8 weeks 3 days ago||Short memory||
If you think the 2007 defense was full of upperclassmen, you probably blocked out a few games from your memory. Which must be nice.
Even in 2006 we had a great first unit with almost nothing behind it.
|8 weeks 3 days ago||Injuries||
I'm not somebody who buys into the Mattison mythology, but this year's results were dramatically impacted by the guys who weren't available. It seems Quinton Washington was hurt all year (or, I suppose it is possible the staff is insane, which seems a bit less likely). His backup tore his ACL fairly early in the year as well. Our best pass rusher also missed half the year due to an ACL tear and was never at full strength when he came back.
A team playing its 3rd choice NT and without (probably) its best player at 100% is going to have issues. Getting run on by Hyde/Miller seemed way more about that than about Mattison just getting fooled on the regular.
|8 weeks 4 days ago||"Complete and utter failure"||
Lane Kiffin had one 7-6 season at USC, one 8-5 season, and one 10-2 season. While dealing with the most crippling NCAA sanctions since SMU got the death penalty.
Brady Hoke has one 7-6 season at Michigan, one 8-5 season, and one 11-2 season.
Let's hope year 4 goes better for our guy.
|8 weeks 4 days ago||It doesn't hurt any less...||
Just because someone else says it.
|8 weeks 4 days ago||Would think you're right||
That just limits the candidate pool quite a bit, I would think. It also makes me wonder if Borges is more problem or scapegoat. And if he is/was the problem, why did it take three whole seasons to figure it out?
|8 weeks 4 days ago||Seems unlikely||
Hundley and pretty much that whole offense are coming back (I think Evans is a senior and they may lose an OL early to the draft, but that is it). Unless we really dropped gobs of money on the guy, making that move to join a staff that is maybe gone in a year if he doesn't produce a big turnaround (and on a team that loses Lewan/Schofield/Gallon) seems unlikely.
|8 weeks 4 days ago||What is the plan?||
We've been told that things had to go less than optimal the last few years because we were moving toward something that would be better, but that required dramatic changes. Is that just getting chucked out the window?
If we're running an up-tempo, spread-to-run next year with Gardner on his way out after forcing Denard to line up under center a good chunk of the time and run a west coast passing attack I'm going to be a little ill.
|8 weeks 4 days ago||Frustrating||
He would have been a great guy to hire three years ago. Gotta love that lining up in the I and running ISO against Iowa was building to absolutely fucking nothing.
|8 weeks 4 days ago||The real deal||
We put up 6 meaningful points in the BWW Bowl, against a mediocre opponent. Shane has talent, but saying he's the "real deal" is ridiculously premature. Just like all the post-2011 Hoke love.
This is the major point of what I'm saying. If you have to discard the most productive offensive player in the history of Michigan football from the argument, what are we really talking about?
I'm not saying Brady Hoke is shitting his pants all day in Schembechler Hall and lighting sacred documents on fire. I'm not saying we can't be "not terrible" under his leadership. I'm saying there is no evidence that we'll be a team as good as the ones guys like Dantonio, Meyer, Harbaugh, Kelly, Carroll, Tressel, Richt, Miles, Saban, Stoops, etc. had once they got to put their imprint on a program.
And if we're not that good, Hoke and Co. need to go. I hope he's one of those guys, but no one seems to be offering anything to prove he is. They are simply bitching about Rich Rodriguez and mildly praising a few dudes who have seen the field.
If you want to bet a dollar we go 10-2 next year, at minimum, I'll take that bet. Otherwise we're just expressing differing standards for the Michigan football program.
|8 weeks 4 days ago||Your point is?||
So Hoke is building a team that is just like the latter Carr years but without guys like Long and Baas? Or Hart/Perry?
That sounds like a recipe for mediocre at best. If you're okay with that, cool. But I'm certainly not.
|8 weeks 4 days ago||Interior OL||
Michael Schofield started pretty much the entire 2011 season at guard (when we were pretty good and had two guys rush for over 1,000 yards). Will Campbell got drafted to play guard (where RR's staff wanted him to play) by the NFL and has been on the Jets active roster all year. Patrick Omameh, who was brought in just a year earlier than those guys, is on the Bucs active roster and was 1st team all-conference as a senior.
I get you're mad about what Rich Rod did with a defense full of freshmen and sophomores, but that has nothing to do with where we are going. The question remains, how does that 2012 class Hoke brought in turn into an elite team (like that 2009 class did)? Is Shane Morris going to be our Jameis Winston? Luck? Tebow? Manziel? Denard? Are the 2013 linemen the ones who are going to play at the level of Lewan/Molk? Is Jabrill Peppers going to play 8 positions?
If you're answer has anything to do with bitching about Rich Rodriguez, that isn't a good sign.
|8 weeks 5 days ago||Typical||
In 8 seasons at Louisville and Arkansas, Bobby Petrino finished in the top-6 of the AP poll 3 times. In 13 seasons at Michigan, Lloyd Carr finished in the top-6 of the AP poll 3 times.
Yet some people here think they would be dumb to hire him again just because he tried to have sex with a Mac Tonight lookalike he wasn't married to.
|8 weeks 5 days ago||OL||
As I'm sure you know, UCLA started three TRUE freshmen on the offensive line against USC. And won by a lot of points. And they've gotten other major contributions from first and second year players across the board (Jack, Vanderdoes, Payton, etc.). SC started two second year guys on their offensive line and won 10 games, they had a 2nd year DT post 6 sacks and 13.5 TFL. And a 2nd year receiver put up nearly 1,000 yards. And Ty Isaac and Justin Davis both looked infinitely better than our young RBs. FSU started five 1st and 2nd year players on defense and had a RS freshman QB who won the Heisman Trophy. How do we end up as good or better than them with young guys doing way less, despite (supposedly) way more opportunity to see the field.
People are basing their hopes on young players and recruiting, but our young players aren't as productive as those at other elite programs or as productive as recent Michigan greats (Name me a really good UM offensive lineman who looked terrible as a RS freshman or true sophomore?)
Are our guys not as good or is our coaching staff not up to snuff? Either way, thinking we're going to win 10+ games next year (and if we don't Hoke pretty much needs to go) is, once again, wishful thinking. I have the same wish, but I don't see it happening.
|8 weeks 5 days ago||Simple question||
Who has Hoke brought in who is as good as Denard Robinson was at the same point in his career? Taylor Lewan? Patrick Omameh?
Since the answer to that question is "no one", why do people keep saying the guy is a good recruiter and acting like we're going to be better when guys like Lewan, Gallon, etc. aren't on the team next year?
|8 weeks 5 days ago||Or they make rational comparisons||
Youth would be an excuse if young guys (especially on offense) were the team's best players. In RR's third year, the top three passers on the team, the #1 and #4 receiver, and the top 5 rushers (on a team that ran for 5.6 ypc, not 3.3) were all Rodriguez recruits. And Omameh and Lewan were solid starters on the o-line.
In Hoke's third year the QB, the (record setting) leading receiver, and the top 2 rushers were still Rodriguez recruits. And the only young OL who could stay in the lineup was former walk-on Graham Glasgow.
One group of young guys is much less productive than another group was. Outside of Devin Funchess, their impact has been minimal. Expecting them to not just get better (obviously age/experience will help individual players) but form an elite unit without an extra infusion of talent is just wishful thinking at this point.
|9 weeks 1 day ago||This year as well||
Those 2009 guys will all be gone next year. And average star/player doesn't really help you if you get there by only taking 15 guys.
Between the 2013 class and what they have so far this year, UT will have 16 guys who are rated 4-star or higher on Rivals. Texas A&M has 27 over the same period. Alabama, Ohio State, Notre Dame, Michigan, LSU, and UCLA at least matched that 16 guys in 2013 alone. Alabama has exceeded that number again in 2014 alone. So has Tennessee.
Those classes won't payoff for a while, but if the earlier ones were as good as advertised the Horns would probably have a better record the last four years. Unless Mack's scouting dramatically improved as his recruiting rankings dipped, things aren't going to be a cakewalk by any stretch, yet that seems to be the way a lot of casual observers view the Texas job.