Mason NEEDS this, Pistons, after all you've put him through
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|7 hours 55 min ago||Blue Blood success||
The last two years (the two since Beilein started landing highly pursued players), UCLA, Indiana, and North Carolina have won 2 NCAA tournament games. Kansas, Ohio State, and Duke have won 3. MSU, Syracuse, and Kentucky have won 5. UConn has won 6. Florida has won 7.
Michigan has won 8 (tied with Louisville for most in the country). And has gone 3-2 against the teams on that list in the Big Dance. And sent 4 guys to the NBA. If Mitch comes back we're a top-10 team again with at least two more first round picks on the roster. We had Mr. Basketball in the state of Indiana coming off the bench last year and redshirted a top-100 recruit. Maybe this staff has the program on the right track and knows a little bit more about the team's needs going forward than you do?
|13 hours 10 min ago||Going further||
With Hatch almost certainly out of the picture for next year and Wilson/Chatman both potentially looking more like 4's in Beilein's system, you may need a guy at both the 2 and the 3 off the bench. In that case, the UMHoops scouting report seems to suggest MAAR as a better fit at the 2 (more handle, less outside stroke) and Dawkins as a better fit at the 3 (better shooter with less playmaking ability), with both viewed as athletic and potentially good defensively.
And with Dawkins being an NBA player and NCAA coach's son, he fits the Beilein recruiting MO nicely.
|13 hours 14 min ago||OK, coach!||
Thanks for the info!
|13 hours 28 min ago||Why take both||
If Irvin starts at the 3 (which I think is a very safe assumption) we really have only one 2-guard on the roster next year (LeVert) and he's probably gone after next season. Taking two guys (both of whom could probably play the 3 as well) ups the chances that you find one who can contribute a little bit next year.
Next year you replace LeVert with a blue-chip recruit and everything is golden.
|13 hours 50 min ago||They keep playing high school basketball||
Every year they do it, like clockwork. There will be another Brunson type character for all of us to worry about then. If Brunson himself is that great (wherever he goes), he wouldn't be around for year 2 anyway.
I suggest taking up whiskey. It will take the edge off and help you see that times are good.
|13 hours 55 min ago||So...||
Your big fear is that the 2015-16 team starts a junior Derrick Walton, junior Zak Irvin, and sophomore Kameron Chatman at the 1, 2, and 3? All top-50 recruits, two of whom have already proven to be solid, talented players?
Geez, what a fucking nightmare!
|14 hours 1 min ago||Still confused||
There is nothing stopping that from happening. I don't know what you are basing your worry on.
Walton and Brunson could play together and Irvin could play the 3 (assuming he's even still here). LeVert won't be here and Brunson would just have to beat out two guys who are going to be no more than bench players next season (and likely only one of them will land that kind of role).
Again, no other elite program is going to have a roster devoid of guards who could "potentially" beat out Brunson should he sign with them.
|14 hours 7 min ago||Because MAAR/Dawkins are way better?||
If they are that good we'll be in fine shape. If not, Brunson has nothing to worry about and I doubt will be scared off. LeVert will be gone to the NBA and Irvin will have spent a year at the 3 (if he isn't off to the pros as well). No other team is going to have zero guards on the roster.
|14 hours 10 min ago||Confused||
Weren't you complaining about not landing a transfer like Harris in another thread? Wouldn't a guy like that be more likely to scare off potential recruits than two lightly regarded freshmen who we kind of need to fill out the bench right away?
|14 hours 15 min ago||What are you suggesting?||
That we kick Derrick Walton out of school now so that some recruit can be guaranteed immediate PT?
Signing MAAR/Dawkins is not going to scare off anyone and there will be plenty of scholarships available after LeVert/McGary and possibly one or two others go pro next season. No other school is cancelling their recruiting class so they can land highly touted guys a year later.
|14 hours 22 min ago||Contact?||
Are teams even allowed to contact Harris yet? Throw in all the competition for his services and the stated desire to be closer to home and there are a lot of question marks with respect to landing him. Not to mention he offers no help next season.
Beilein and Co. just may prefer taking their chances on landing a better player in the 2015 recruiting class while also shoring up their depth for next season with MAAR/Dawkins.
|14 hours 34 min ago||Doubt they are related||
Adding a couple of guards would not be the reaction to McGary departing. And if he does go (please fucking don't!!!!) we'll have another scholarship open up. Next year's team really didn't have a back-up 2 guard (Irvin is a starter at the 3 most likely and the incoming guys are bigger players). Now they potentially have two options after LeVert if both these guys come on board.
This is good news, it seems to me.
|14 hours 46 min ago||Hatch||
Beilein has said fairly recently that he will be on a full athletic scholarship. I think at this point we're standing pat if Mitch stays and using his spot for a big (if we can find anybody) if he goes.
|14 hours 51 min ago||Both possible||
Sam Webb just tweeted that Dawkins got an offer too. The staff is looking to take both.
|14 hours 53 min ago||That was close||
Glad I got my prediction/preference in a minute before your post. Now I look like a freaking genius!
|14 hours 57 min ago||The 2||
Chatman may be able to play the 3 down the road, but he is big and growing. He's definitely not a 2 from what I've seen and neither is Wilson (again closer to a 4 than a 2).
LeVert is a 2 and Irvin could maybe play that spot (though I think he's a better fit at 3), but Irvin will already be starting most likely. Next year LeVert is almost certainly gone to the NBA and Irvin might consider it as well.
Under those circumstances, I'd rather have a choice of MAAR/Dawkins (or some other guy the staff likes) after some time getting coached in the system rather than making an either/or choice right now. We'll see what happens. I just wouldn't be surprised, considering how many guys we've expressed interest in, to see another 2-guard type commit.
|15 hours 15 min ago||Doesn't Obi have to sit a year anyway?||
Please come back, Mitch!
|15 hours 17 min ago||Chatman||
He looked huge in that JBC game yesterday. Also seemed to be playing the 4 (hard to tell in that kind of game, but he was under the basket for free throws and such and was the 2nd tallest guy on the floor every time I looked).
He also looks like a match-up nightmare at that spot. Can blow by bigger guys and see/shoot over smaller ones. Made some nice passes as well (though that is the type of game where a little bit of unselfishness is richly rewarded). If he can defend/rebound he looks like a potentially great player at the 4 in college.
|15 hours 23 min ago||You're probably right||
Definitely not saying we could get anybody good, just that we'll desperately need somebody or we'll be in big trouble.
If by "hold it down" you mean be not nearly as good as we've been the last two years, then yeah, they can. That is a huge drop-off from what McGary can do, though, or even what Morgan/Horford brought inside. And we still regularly got killed on the glass with those two this year.
|15 hours 38 min ago||Depends on Mitch||
If McGary comes back the 5 is solid next year. He'll probably be backed up by Bielfeldt and Doyle. I'm pretty confident that Donnal and Chatman will make for a solid duo at the 4 (either both solid or one good enough to play major minutes). Then you're just talking about finding a legit 5 in the 2015 class, but that is something we have to do anyway.
If Mitch doesn't return, then we're in trouble and need to use the extra scholarship on a big, and may want to take two just to hedge our bets.
|15 hours 47 min ago||Not sure||
Even with McGary and Hatch in the mix, we have another scholarship to offer. Chatman looks more like a 4 than a 2, and with Hatch's health a huge question mark, you pretty much just have MAAR after LeVert and Irvin at that spot (both of whom could go pro in the next year or two).
Wouldn't be surprised to see us take another 2/3 if the staff likes him.
|1 day 10 hours ago||And you're claiming Brady "made better decisions"||
Brady's play was mediocre at best as a junior. You are viewing him in light of what happened later (good senior season, great NFL career) while ignoring the much more productive and less mistake-prone season Gardner had because you seem to recall some poor choices he made and that bothered you.
Every quarterback makes mistakes. Especially when they have no running game to lean on and virtually no protection from their interior offensive line. The numbers indicate that Devin Gardner played incredibly well while dealing with those circumstance. Like, better than Tom Brady and a bunch of other Michigan quarterbacks.
You're bitching about a guy who performed fantastically well by objective historical standards and did so without the advantages many in his position previously enjoyed. And your solution is a guy we just saw look totally lost in his only game time. Only Braxton Miller had a higher QB rating in the conference than Gardner. But I bet you think he sucks too, despite all that pesky winning.
Unless Brady Hoke is a complete idiot, there is zero quarterback controversy here.
|1 day 11 hours ago||Losing an argument||
Brady as a junior: Completed 61.1% of his passes for 202.8 yards per game. Threw 15 TD and 12 INT.
Gardner as a junior: Completed 60.3% of his passes for 246.7 yards per game. Threw 21 TD and 11 INT. Also rushed for 11 TD. With no running game and a porous offensive line.
You may not be a racist, but you're apparently incapable of accurately remembering the past and putting it in context with more recent events.
|1 day 12 hours ago||The flip side||
It's just as likely (meaning, who the fuck really knows) that naming Gardner the starter would show him the coaching staff believes in him and give him the confidence boost he needs to have a great season after a tough 2013 where he sacrificed himself physically for little reward. I know if I had gone through what he did last year and a coach was acting like I still hadn't earned a place at the table I might start tuning said coach out.
None of us know the personality of the people involved and I doubt the issue makes much difference either way at the end of the day, but acting like there is a definite right answer (pretend no one has ever secured a starting position until it is time to run out of the tunnel) is just as bad as getting worked up about Hoke's statement.
|1 day 13 hours ago||More context||
I've watched 60-70% of Wesley's games the last two years. If he was "high quality" I would not be turning my nose up at the guy. Watching him play as opposed to watching THJ/Stauskas/LeVert play is night and day difference.
Beilein's offense is predicated on spreading the floor and viewing open 3's as good shots. You mentioned Manny Harris, who wasn't a fantastic outside shooter, but he made twice as many as Wesley. If Wesley's percentage is higher, it is because like Craft he only shoots them when he is ridiculously wide open, and even then he often passes up that look. Wesley is a guy defenses sagged off of and who ended up as the dude with the ball at the end of the shot clock because, as you pointed out, his teammates were for the most part even worse options. Then he would barrel into the lane and throw up a runner or try to get fouled.
All of his stats/success come because he played on a shitty team with no offensive flow. Those opportunities wouldn't be there for him at Michigan, assuming he can even see the court ahead of a guy like Chatman. He can be an effective player at a certain level of play, but that level is not where Michigan has been the last two years, or even the last six.
|1 day 17 hours ago||Craft plays great defense||
And he's a point guard. And he makes his teammates better by putting them in positions to score.
Wesley had 49 fewer assists than Stauskas last year. And 40 fewer than LeVert.
He is not good at basketball. He just took a lot of shots on a bad team and is leaving because better players are coming in as freshmen or coming off transfer redshirts at USC.
|1 day 18 hours ago||Wesley shooting stats||
He made 24 three pointers this year and 23 last year. Aaron Craft made 26 as a freshman (at 37.7%), 23 as a sophomore (at 35.9%), and 27 as a junior. The guy is not a fit for what Michigan does offensively, which would explain why no one who is actually from UM has any interest in bringing him on board.
|2 days 8 hours ago||Did I say Huff is coming?||
There is, however, a claim from his AAU coach that Michigan was one of the schools that received his release. The Wesley talk is just speculation.
The other difference is that a 6'8" guy who shoots 40% from three and has two years of eligibility left is a much more intriguing proposition than a guy with attitude problems and a very limited game fleeing competition for one last hurrah to audition for the Euro leagues
|2 days 8 hours ago||Not correct||
Wesley is a grad year transfer, eligible immediately to play one last season.
|2 days 8 hours ago||Honest question||
Have you seen Wesley play?
He's not as good as anyone we've had at that 2-guard spot (Manny/THJ/Stauskas/LeVert) under Beilein. He's a wide bodied guy for a guard who can rebound pretty well and occasionally hit a runner in the lane, but he's not a playmaker and can't shoot it anywhere close to the level those guys can. If Chatman is close to living up to the hype he'll fill that role you describe much better than Wesley would.
There's a reason Wesley's looking to transfer going into his senior year rather than heading to the NBA, despite what seem like impressive numbers.