"It's not about last year or who's here or who's isn't here," says your head coach. "It's about getting out here and competing and seeing who is here, and that's where we're gonna go."
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|13 min 9 sec ago||One or two||
That could be big. If he's willing/interested in staying two years (something I think I heard he said, but if you're going to be a top-10 pick that is hard to turn down) then he could really become a monster in addition to making a huge impact here. Be the first guy off the bench in year one and learn the system, probably playing multiple spots. Then replace Caris at the 2 on a team with potentially Walton/Irvin/Robinson/BigGuy in the starting lineup, and a ton of depth and other options.
That lineup would seem to create a great fit for his game and an opportunity to really shine as a college player (rather than just as a NBA potential guy).
|1 hour 1 min ago||Who doesn't have him going in the first round?||
Honestly, if you can find a mock draft that doesn't have him going in the first round this year or next year it would be the first I have seen.
|1 hour 10 min ago||Over who?||
Caris is a consensus first round pick. Irvin was rated very highly as well (top-25 IIRC) and just put up 14+ ppg in actual D-1 basketball and has been in the system for 2 years. Brown does not start over those guys coming straight from high school, IMO. And if he joins them it means Walton and Spike are on the bench (kind of awkward) or we are playing a 6'6" guy at PF again. I don't think Beilein wants that. He also values shooters, so I think elite ones like Dawkins (a guy who put up double digit points in 8 B1G games) and Robinson are going to have every opportunity to grab minutes (Irvin wins that comparison as well).
Can we stop acting like recruiting rankings are a direct reflection of a player's ability/value, especially after what we've seen on the gridiron the last few years? I would love to have Brown in the mix, but a lot of his success on the offensive end comes from driving at opponents. How often would he get to do that with Walton/Spike and Caris operating as very effective ball-handlers? Or do you really think Caris came back to sit on the bench? And how would a player like that impact the entire system Beilein is trying to run (and has run to great success here)?
|1 hour 28 min ago||Different kind of player||
I'd be curious to find out what sort of role Beilein envisions for Brown and how he would use him. He's a player who reminds me a lot of Stanley Johnson at Arizona, and we haven't really had a guy like that in Beilein's system (not a great shot, very strong/athletic, good handle, maybe dominates the ball more than he should/will in Beilein's system, etc.).
Do we play a guy like that at the 4 (or put Irvin there) and remain a small team on D? Does he play the 2 and handle the ball quite a bit?
Seems like a very talented guy who at the same time I don't really see an immediate fit for on this team (don't see anyone pushing LeVert/Irvin out of the lineup, don't think Coach B wants to keep going small, and I don't know what spot Brown would play). It will be interesting to see how it plays out, especially if he ends up in Ann Arbor. So many fun options to think about with this team and all the depth they will have, with or without Brown/WIlliams.
|1 hour 38 min ago||Bigger||
Personally, my hope is that Robinson can defend the 4 well enough to start there. Walton/Caris/Irvin/Robinson/Doyle would be an ideal first unit, IMO (shooters putting crazy pressure on opposing defenses), with Spike/Brown or Williams or MAAR/Dawkins/Wilson in the second with the best of Donnal/Wagner/Chatman as your second guy in at the 4. That would also comply with Beilein's stated goal (a goal evidenced by recent recruiting moves as well) to get bigger/stronger as a team.
Obviously you would have a ton of flexibility and could adjust the lineup in many ways big or small (play Walton and Spike together, play Caris at the point, drop Brown to the 4 if he can defend/rebound at that spot) as match-ups dictate.
Regardless, next year is going to be a lot of fun to watch.
|2 hours 6 min ago||Weird team last year||
Don't follow them closely, but they had a rollercoaster season last year. Went 10-3 in the non-conference with decent wins over Wyoming and Syracuse (and decent losses to Wisconsin and Texas). Then started Pac-12 play 1-6, including a blowout loss to an awful USC team (and blowouts against UCLA and .500 ASU). Then won 5 straight including a win over UCLA, then lost 5 of 6 down the stretch.
Not sure what role injuries played, but an up and down team that ended up 7-11 in conference play and didn't beat anybody with a pulse outside of the Bruins.
|5 hours 17 min ago||Reclassify||
If UM knew he wanted to switch to 2015, there really isn't any room to take him without throwing the chemistry of the team out of whack. If you have Walton and Spike on board, I can see focusing your efforts elsewhere, both for this class and at PG in the future. Can also see Thornton being more receptive to the opportunity to play from day one at Duke rather than having to compete with two guys for minutes at UM.
|5 hours 29 min ago||Not to mention||
Even a poster who did all that work would have to claim that their judgment was more valid than that of Jim Harbaugh, a guy who turned Stanford into a juggernaut on the backs of loads of guys who had few stars/offers and are now succeeding in the NFL.
This isn't a "trust the coaches" moment, it's a "trust one of the best program developers in the business who engineered a downright remarkable turnaround just a few years ago because he's awesome at finding great football players, no matter what the internet thinks of the guys he signs".
You would think we'd have learned our lesson about recruiting rankings after the Hoke era saw the team's talent level and win total diminish every year.
|5 hours 37 min ago||Failure to recruit||
The struggles in the frontcourt came about because our starters at the 4 and 5 went to the NBA after their sophomore seasons. Then the presumed replacement at center transferred to Florida.
If anything, we recruited players who were too elite, and as a result 4 of the 5 guys who should've started on last year's team were in the NBA instead. Then we got hit with an unexpected transfer and two big injuries.
In short, bitching about our basketball program is kind of insane. I thought the two deep tourney runs would bring some reason, but hopefully another great season next year does the trick.
|5 hours 48 min ago||Looking for things to complain about||
Haven't people been bitching for years that Beilein needs to make his team bigger and stronger and better on the glass? Then when he does it, there's more panic?
You aren't counting Irvin or Dawkins as guards when they can probably play that role. You're assuming no one leaves early for the NBA draft. We're going after Williams which would make a third "true" guard if we land him. And you're assuming everyone in a logjam at the 4 stays committed and at UM (decent shot whoever finds themselves on the bench may look elsewhere) and that we don't then add another blue-chip guard. Having Doyle (junior), Wilson (sophomore), Davis and Teske (freshmen) isn't some crazy overload. One guy may not pan out. Somebody might leave. Somebody (maybe Wilson) may play the four. You want at least three guys who you're comfortable putting on the floor in a game situation. Having one extra doesn't sound crazy under those circumstances.
Beilein obviously isn't done recruiting, so acting like we know what the roster will look like a year from now, and worrying about it the very second we take a commitment from a kid the staff obviously wants (coupled with the loads of criticism you know the kid received), is very premature.
|7 hours 34 min ago||It's all silly||
Davis has a full year of high school left and by all accounts is improving rapidly. The speculation has all been fueled by people who refuse to accept Beilein and Co.'s evaluation of a 16 year old kid because the people who post on the internet haven't decided he's good yet.
There is zero reason to think Davis is planning a prep year or that a redshirt is more likely than it would be for any other player. Beilein is very patient/deliberate with dishing out offers and doesn't give them conditionally. The same worry warts were out in force last year when we took MAAR and Dawkins last year (many didn't want one, much less both since they had no stars or offers). Same happened with Spike and LeVert. Same with Doyle (many acted like he would never see the court until his 7th or 8th year on campus).
|8 hours 37 min ago||To piggyback||
If he had a shot, he would get a shot here. The fact that he didn't play this year while Dakich and Lonergan got significant minutes, yet still didn't redshirt, should be a pretty good indication of where his physical abilities are at this point and going forward.
People seem to forget the kid literally fell out of the sky. Twice. As a result, there is a decent chance that he just won't be able to play competitive basketball at a high level again. But he can still get a degree and be a valuable member of this team/university. Pretty much a fairy tale ending to the story, if you ask me.
|9 hours 25 min ago||True||
Hatch isn't being shoved out the door because he's not good enough at basketball. He'd be freeing up a scholarship for his team because, after literally falling out of the sky, he is physically incapable of being a Division 1 basketball player.
Again, this assumes his health will never allow him to be a full-time player, but last year (when Dakich and Lonergan saw significant minutes but he was glued to the bench) gives us a pretty good indication that it might be the case.
I'm sure Austin would rather sit next to Beilein in a suit if it turns out he'll never be able to play for real and if it means helping the team get better. Not to mention, there is always the possibility of a senior-night waiver to get him one last hurrah at Crisler.
If this kid remains a part of the program for three more years and gets his degree and somebody has a problem with that, after everything the kid went throughy, that person is just an asshole.
|10 hours 16 min ago||Down year||
We still went 8-10 and won a game in the BTT. Despite a number of close losses, we were just one game worse than the first two Beilein teams that made the tourney.
Now we add LeVert, Walton, Robinson, Wilson, Wagner, and maybe one more guy to the mix while everybody gets a year older/better. This team could be a monster.
|10 hours 33 min ago||Incredible depth||
After years of 6'4" power forwards, walk-on PG, and last year's extended minutes for Dakich, Lonergan, and Max, things are going to be dramatically different.
If we add Williams (or Brown), this is a roster where the 13th guy (whether it's Williams, Donnal, Wilson, Chatman, or Wagner) is a top-100 recruit, maybe with a year or two of college experience. Unreal.
You're talking about the team at the end of the year (that beat Illinois in the BTT and took Wisconsin down to the wire), with an extra offseason of experience/development, plus LeVert, Walton, Robinson, Wilson, Wagner, and maybe one other blue-chip recruit.
I can't wait!
|22 hours 40 min ago||Wilson is huge||
Assuming/hoping Caris comes back, my roster hopes really hinge on DJ Wilson and whether or not he can play the 5. If he can hold up at that spot and Morford it with Doyle, we are in tremendous shape. If not, Donnal just can't play that spot (through no fault of his own, much like Smotrycz before him) and I would frankly rather have Max back than add a perimeter player.
If Doyle/Wilson can man the 5, the team gets much bigger across the board. Chatman/Wagner/Donnal can battle it out at the 4. There is a ton of depth and talent on the perimeter then with Irvin/Robinson able to play the 3 and LeVert/Dawkins at the 2. Throw in MAAR and maybe Williams, and you're talking about a team where the 13th best player on the team is a top-100 recruit, maybe with a few years of experience. Not to mention a ton of lineup flexibility when you can maybe play Caris at the point and go really big or play Spike and Walton together and go fast/small.
|22 hours 42 min ago||Yeah||
That's the only way he squeezes in, and that is a super small lineup, something Beilein looks to be trying to get away from. That or you play Caris at the point and then Spike and Walton are on the bench, and I'm not sure that doesn't hurt your lineup (we really have no idea how good Brown will be as a college player). The first option puts Irvin in a shitty position, like Smotrycz, Novak, and GRIII of having to work above their paygrade on D against much bigger dudes. And if Brown isn't a good outside shooter the 4 out 1 in offense probably isn't as crisp or effective, especially when Dawkins and Robinson are well over 40% from beyond the arc and you'd have them on the bench.
Like I said, would love to have him, but I won't be heartbroken if he doesn't end up here and frankly I wouldn't blame him if he didn't see a role for himself on this team (again, assuming Caris is back).
|1 day 3 hours ago||Role?||
Obviously would love to land him, but I wonder what sort of impact he would have on this particular team, at least next year.
Assuming Caris comes back, I don't see Brown starting over him or Irvin (experienced, 14+ ppg guys). With the run of bigger guys we've picked up lately, I also don't see Beilein wanting/having to head into next season with Irvin at the 4 much of the time again.
Then when you look at the other wings available off the bench, guys like Dawkins and Robinson have proven to be high level outside shooters (and Dawkins had a number of big games against quality competition). I think Beilein wants guys like that on the floor, so if we aren't going small there are fewer minutes available if/when those guys see the court.
Can never have too many weapons, but I see a guy who may not have a huge role on next year's team, and who probably doesn't want that, given where he's projected in the draft already.
|3 days 7 hours ago||Bama loves Dallas||
Or is it the other way around? The Tide played us there in 2012, play Wisconsin this year, and play USC in Big D next year.
Wondering if they are the only fanbase dumb/desperate enough to repeatedly pay the silly ticket prices for a game so far from campus.
|3 days 21 hours ago||Why?||
Sorry that happened, but curious what could piss someone off that much at a non-league friendly outside the country either team is from. Just booze?
|3 days 21 hours ago||Options||
Obviously anything can happen in the tourney, so hard to predict, but I agree next year's team should be awesome, and incredibly deep.
Basically adding LeVert, Walton, Robinson, Wilson, and Wagner (maybe Williams or Brown as well) to the team we saw at the end of the year is crazy. Plus all the beneits from experience, age, development, etc.
There are a ton of lineup permutations and this certainly won't be the regular lineup, but I would love to see Caris, Dawkins, Irvin, and Robinson on the floor at the same time with a big. That length (Did someone say zone defense?) and shooting ability would be a sight to see.
Come back, Caris!
|3 days 22 hours ago||Other legends||
Lamond Murray > Scottie Pippen
Just bad luck the Clips didn't draft Jordan.
|3 days 22 hours ago||BRO!|
|3 days 22 hours ago||Need something||
These are awful, but the Clippers do need a makeover. Their logo is virtually identical to that of the Lakers, just in different colors. Their road jerseys are the same as the old-school Lakers jerseys (with script Los Angeles), just in different colors.
If you look like the discount Lakers playing in the same arena, no amount of short-term success is going to change perception. Probably should have moved to Anaheim when Staples Center was being built.
|3 days 22 hours ago||How dare you||
You clearly underestimate the historic greatness of Eric Piatkowski.
I'll try to forgive you.
|3 days 22 hours ago||It's called a "bro"||
Get it right!
|3 days 22 hours ago||Not conventional measurements||
Magnus probably has more in depth info on leverage points and body type, but I would think height/weight numbers aren't really indicative. Rather, frame or sheer skeleton size. Guys like Lewan and Long (or Tyron Smith who went to USC and is a Pro Bowler with the Cowboys) were pretty lean in high school, but were huge guys, if that makes sense. They added muscle and became dominant players.
It seems like the 300+ pounders in high school tend to be overrated, in contrast.
|3 days 22 hours ago||Rightly so||
These 16 year old kids deserve a warm welcome when they make a decision like this (and are nice enough to choose the school we all love). The shit in this thread and last night has been completely disgusting. Glad it got nuked, at least in this thread.
Welcome aboard, Carter. You chose a great school to attend and for a guy who plays your position I don't think you could find a better coach anywhere in the country to spot your talents and get the most out of your natural ability. Go Blue!
|4 days 6 hours ago||Mismatch||
People forget that Funchess was the top target on a team with basically no other credible receiving threats and an oft-struggling run game. On an NFL team he'll be option 3 or 4 in the passing game, most likely. If he finds the right fit I could see him blowing up since he gets to go against smaller/slower guys reguarly, rather than drawing double teams and #1 corners.
|5 days 6 hours ago||Shooting||
If we can keep Caris and add Williams, you are looking at a roster with 7 guys who you'd expect to shoot at or above 40% from behind the line (LeVert did it the last two years, Irvin was at 42.5 as a freshman when he didn't have to carry the offense, Dawkins was at 43.8 last year, Spike is at 40.3 for his career, Walton hit 41 when healthy as a freshman, Robinson shot 45.6 at Williams, and Williams looks like a very good outside shooter).
With that kind of pressure on teams guarding the perimeter this team could be absolutely lethal on offense.