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|16 hours 29 min ago||Y||
|2 days 6 hours ago||This deflategate story had||
This deflategate story had legs. The media really latched onto it. It must be important.
|2 days 15 hours ago||Should, but we likely wouldn't be talking about it.||
Should, but we likely wouldn't be talking about it.
|2 days 17 hours ago||Nahhh. Klima is not my last||
Nahhh. Klima is not my last name and my username is a combo of the famous name and an inside joke. Although I am an older guy here, I wasn't in AA until the 90s.
|2 days 17 hours ago||I understand why you allow||
I understand why you allow it. I guess I just don't understand why people care.... that is until I realized this is about spoiled rich kids. You are right that not all crimes have the same cache or register the same even if they are a comparable amount of damages. The highly disputable amount of damages in not the reason people here care about it. A 40k traffic accident involving an UM student wouldn't register. An apartment complex party involving "regular" students that causes property damage would not register. But, these kids are rich, spoiled shots. We want to publicly flog them.... Even if all the damage is paid for in the end and no one was hurt.
|2 days 18 hours ago||Spoiled rich kids as a||
Spoiled rich kids as a storyline only sells to me if they are not held accountable for their actions. They will be here. End of story.
|2 days 18 hours ago||UM student crime - What is newsworthy for MGoBlog?||
[ed-s: he started a separate thread but I took the liberty of putting it here after moderating that thread]
This relates to the University of Michigan generally, so I am sure most people will think it is thread worthy.
What a few kids from an UM fraternity did off campus is getting a lot of attention from some of you. What they did was stupid and they definitely should pay for all the damage or be sued for those damages by the resorts. No questions. But, why do people care to get online and scold these kids more?? (I understand if you live near these resorts or know these guys, but that is not the vast majority of you.)
Personally, I have a problem pointing to drunken stupid actions by a few college kids at a "hotel party" and drawing any connection to their university from it. You might as well draw a stronger connection to the Greek system (not the school), to their state of residence (Michigan kids ar bums) or their major (LSA or the BSchool should feel ashamed). I just didn't get it at first...but I am starting to realize what is going on.
My theory.... it is only when kids with "privilege," such as rich fraternity kids driving luxury cars or pampered student-athletes, commit the crimes that it is newsworthy. The story with the frat destruction and even players who get in legal trouble is...."they are entitled or overly-entitled and think they are above the law...... how disgusting." This is why the media outlets harp on it too. It resonates with the common man.
Its off-putting that those thread are really about judging people who have a special status (wealth, fame, etc.) that most of us don't enjoy. I am not wealthy nor even athletic, but I don't notice when people are being judged by a different standard.
These kids are caught and the hotels will be made whole. They don't deserve any additional public condemnation.
It should be noted, that this has nothing to do with hundreds and thousands of fans taking to the street after a big sporting event. That is obviousy more closely related to this board (sports), involves more people than a handful and is an odd way to "celebrate" a sports victory. (I don't think those things are important either though.)
So, my question is....if its not about judging people with a more special status than you, what UM student-related crime warrants its own thread? Only those that involve pictures of damage? Only those that meet a certain dollar amount thresh-hold?
Here is the crime report from two days on campus, presumably some involve UM students. There are some expensive items at issue, do any warrant a thread? Is the cut-off $5K, $10k, $25K in estimated damages??
Should we also start posting about non-atheletes charged with violations of the sexual conduct standards at UM? Clearly those kids are committing much more heinous crimes. Someone want to start a thread about it? Its Michigan related.
|2 days 19 hours ago||I am an old man who was about||
I am an old man who was about as far away from a frat boy as possible when I went to UM. I just don't think this has much to do with the school or its overall student body. Also, I am not too quick to publicly bash kids for being kids.
|2 days 21 hours ago||Breaking a board rule about||
Breaking a board rule about premium content has nothing to do with the moral issues of crime or property damage.
|2 days 22 hours ago||I can understand that.||
I can understand that.
|2 days 22 hours ago||I would guess sierragold||
I would guess sierragold lived in northern Michigan as well. I can see this as a big story up there. Not much happens. On the other hand, the only place I have seen it is on this board. I am sure the Freep wrote a story on it, but they also write lots of odd news stories each day.
|2 days 22 hours ago||Why do you comment on my||
Why do you comment on my comment then? Just ignore it. Wait. You didn't. I wait for the day when a UM student keys a bunch of cars and we get a thread about the damaged cars. Oh no!
|2 days 22 hours ago||I am a hypocrite because I||
I am a hypocrite because I judge Frank Clark differently than Les Miles? One is a set usenet athlete who made some youthful mistakes and the other is the guy you are hiring to be the leader and face of the football team? Let me put it this way, I don't care what either Clark or Miles did, but I am not going to hire either of them to run my company. Understand?
|3 days 6 hours ago||So they smashed up a couple||
So they smashed up a couple dozen drop ceiling tiles and it made a big mess on the floor? Wow. Won't someone think of the children?
|3 days 17 hours ago||Allowed, but not important||
Allowed, but not important IMO. It's trying real hard to be important, but it can't overcome that bar too well. It may be newsworthy moth of the Zilwaukee bridge, but it is in "news bits" sections elsewhere.
|3 days 17 hours ago||50k is a lot compared to||
50k is a lot compared to median household income? Why not compare it to global household income or to the total number of coffees you can buy? We don't compare it to that because it has nothing to do with that. Just pick a comparison stat that makes it look big, right? What if I compared $50,000 to the amount of money a ski resort makes a season (millions) or the cost of a short hospital stay? What is it compared to the national debt or the spending of the State Michigan?
|3 days 18 hours ago||1. You have extremely thin||
1. You have extremely thin skin. 2. An estimate of $50,000 worth of damage is not much. It is the same you might get from a two car accident or a sprinkler system going off in a hotel. 3. This has nothing to do with sports celebrations. All vandalism is not the same. Spraying graffiti on a budding is not the same as breaking windows to celebrate a Pistons victory. Moreover, this wasn't hundreds of various fans taking to the streets to celebrate. This is partying too hard at a hotel by a small group of kids. Ask yourself a question, was there tear gas involved? Riot police? There is no equivalency here.
|3 days 18 hours ago||Hardly. I detested||
Hardly. I detested fraternities when I was at UM. Not a fan of the concept even. I just think that this is hardly newsworthy. The only discussion it has really started is whether it is newsworthy enough to post here. It's just a dumb topic.
|3 days 18 hours ago||So, only mods police this||
So, only mods police this place? There should be no community or self-regulation? If you disagree with the quality of the posts here, then just skip them and don't try to improve this place? Why do you comment about the comments that shouldn't be made? Maybe your comment/opinion shouldn't be made as well? If you disagree with comments to a post, why did you post here? The hypocrisy is almost astounding.
|3 days 19 hours ago||This is not about sports/entertainment.||
This is not about sports/entertainment.
|3 days 19 hours ago||You need to understand the||
You need to understand the difference between what you "can" do and what you "should" do. The FAQs don't address it, so you'll have to think about it.
|3 days 20 hours ago||I did.||
Maybe you should try to type it out to see how far afield your thoughts are from a reasonable discussion point.
Are their actions bad? Yes.
Does this have much to do with the university? No.
Does this have anything to do with "sports win" riots? Nope.
So, what is the point? Do you want to talk about our feelings on fraternities? Maybe you want to have a discussion of underage drinking that causes property damage? Maybe you want to talk about secruity at resorts in Michigan? How about we discuss the quality of craftsmanship of furniture nowadays versus the more solid furnmiture and construction of old?
I guess we could ust this as a jumping off point for any inane conversation.
Maybe I'll start a post about an ugly UM sticker I saw on a car and we can discuss it. The manufacutring of stickers in China vs. American manufacturing? The diffference with other school stickers? The University supporting carbon monoxide pollution by condoning bumper stickers?
The OP just posted this because it mentions UM students. There is no valid point of discussion.
It might as well be a troll post TRYING to make this an issue.
|3 days 20 hours ago||at theuniversity||
I am just correcting the person who said it happened at the University. It didn't I don't think its important, but mis-stating what happened doesnt help anybody/
|3 days 20 hours ago||What?||
How is it embarrassing? Are you a member of one of the fraternities? As an alum, I find no embarrassment from this. It is like being embarrassed because some UM students comit a random crime. My skin is not thin enough to be embarassed by something as diconnected as this.
Why post? I thought about ignorig it, like most of the pointless threads. But, the OP wrote the post in such a way as to suggest even he had no idea why he was posting it.
|3 days 21 hours ago||It matters||
It matters to the resorts, etc. There is just no substantive discussion that comes from it. Who thinks it was bad? Okay, everyone. What else do you have?
|3 days 21 hours ago||1. It didn't happen at the||
1. It didn't happen at the University. 2. There is nothing to discuss about it.
|3 days 21 hours ago||What is the point of your post?||
What is the point of your post?
|5 days 6 hours ago||How to spin a story?||
How to spin a story? Harbaugh and staff have been scrambling and going after commits from MANY schools. I think they have offerd multile kids in classes for Texas, UCLA, Ohio State, etc. it makes sense that list would include MSU since.... Their recruits are also in our backyard.
|1 week 1 day ago||What does Red Robin have to do with Red Hawk?||
What does Red Robin have to do with Red Hawk?
|1 week 1 day ago||Something that arose out of the Red Hawk photo?||
Something that arose out of the Red Hawk photo?