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|27 min 50 sec ago||Crazy||
You say Ace "theorizes [Clark] might be let go due to the media firestorm surrounding Seattle's poor handling of the situation." But, Ace is contributing to that media firestorm. He is part of the media and he wants to make this an issue. You also point out that if a GM were the subject of a similar "media inquiry" then he would be let go. Probably. The point is that media inquiry into this stuff isn't for some noble purpose. It is just an UNFORTUNATE fact of modern life.
The whole media wants to make this an issue. Why? A couple reasons:
1. There is not much else to discuss. They need somthing to talk about.
2. Seattle wasn't completely up front with the media about their investigation. The media hates it when that happens. In the name of "truth" and "honesty" they insist that decieving them is an afront to the public. The problem is that the public doesn't really care that much. So, under the guise of reporting about it, they try to get the public to care. This has little to do with morals and a lot to do with the media demanding transparency, even in situations where it is of little importance.
3. Controversy sells (clicks, etc.)
So, Ace blames Seattle for the media firestorm. Of course, the media are just innocent bystanders here in the firestorm, right? They are just reporting on it, right? Of course, these are mainly columnist opinion pieces and they are not "reporting" on the "fan frenzy" they are suggesting there should be one.
MY POINT: People pay the price for their crimes. Those prices are set up by the legal system. Most of the time they also pay informally after the fact -- often severely. But, some people -- if their situation is "newsworthy" -- pay an even deeper price due to the media's desire to talk about them and talk "bold" stands against bad actions.
The media holds public figures (or high profile) to a higher standard than the average citizen is held to and a higher standard than the media itself is held to, but they pretend they play no rin creating that higher standard or accelerating it.
It's stupid and people who blindly follow it, because that is how they are TOLD how to feel are human sheep. THAT is my opinion that I don't care if you agree with it. It is so grounded in reality, it might be called a FACT.
P.S. - I have no problem with Ace. I don't think he conciously tried to be "part of the media firestorm." He maybe didn't consider that he was fanning the flames, but I think it might have been well intentioned on an individual basis.
|12 hours 24 min ago||consistant||
my take on the frat thing and this are the same. stop trying to enforce harsher punishments than other typical cases just because the perps are high profile or rich. get off your high horse.
|16 hours 56 min ago||S Ace can boycott it. Let's||
S Ace can boycott it. Let's leave the public condemnation for not adhering to higher than societal standards alone. Let other people make their own decisions about whether to follow the NFL. The media is driving this "conversation" because it is a down time news wise. Meddling hands.....
|17 hours 10 min ago||I am not||
I am not imposing my beliefs. I say, let society decide for itself. I support the social morals of the criminal law and the victim's rights in a civil case. I am only advocating what society agreed to. I would never hire Frank Clark, but have no trouble if others do.
I am not imposing a higher or different standard. Ace and the media are doing that.
Where is the public outcry? I just see the media. No one supports domestic violence, but few people outside the media care about this. They aim to change that. Fan those flames!!!!
|18 hours 55 min ago||Law||
Sure, but don't try to impose your personal opinions as what everyone else should do. Recognize it is just your "minority" view and don't assume others should abide by it.
If your opinion is that Seattle should have done a full invesitgation and, the implication is that if they found something then they should have backed off the prospect, then that can be your opinion. But, recognize it as something unique. No reason to publicly hold them to task for not doing :even more" than all the criminal, civil, etc. that has already gone on.
That part that spins my head is that the only way this hurts the player is PRECISELY because the media, social justice warriors "aren't going to let this rest." In other words, Seattle may have harmed Frank Clark's career simply because articles like this one are being written. Its almost a self-fulling prophecy.... "You put the player's career in harm because we, the media, are going to try and make this as big of a PR issue as possible for you and him." "Yeah, we are simply fanning the flames of the most over-concerned fans, but soon we will help make that view (full investigations) the norm---- because we are taking on domestic violence here and no one would dare say we went too far."
I don't care about the Michigan or fandom angle here. This is just media irresponsibility for its OWN actions and blaming them on Seattle.
|19 hours 26 min ago||Ray Rice||
That whole thing was about a video tape. No one really cared that much about the allegations. They just didn't like seeing it.
Ray Rice didn't make much money for the league and the league prides itself as being bigger than personalities. I always thought the league did it because the NFLPA would have been offended by a big suspension and the public too --- until the public saw the video.
The NFL didn't act out of money concerns. With or without Ray they make the exact same amount of money.
As for what people want, they want ultra-violent individuals with highlight reel hits in a dangerous league -- BUT they don't want those big, scary men to be violent ALL the time. Just on the field. Also, they want them to live a public standard of morality far, far that above the average fan (who has smoked some weed, drank a bit too much, taken free items from friends at a retail store, etc.).
Fans are idiots. However, those fanning the flames of the fans' unrealistic expectations, such as media members doubling as social justice warriors, who want MOAR punishment -- in the name of the fans. Those people should know better.
|20 hours 5 min ago||Modern society problems||
This post epitomizes one of the biggest problems of modern society - the desire that everyone, everywhere have the same mores as the group of most offended people OR be labeled as supporting a terrible thing.
We all know domestic violence is wrong. We all condemn it. But, what is the appropriate punishment? Jail time is one way society punishes someone. But, the victim can also sue for monetary daamages. One would think that would be enough, but it is not for some people.
Fine. If it is not enough for you, then have no dealings with the person. If it is not enough punishment for an employer, then that person will be fired.
If you feel very strongly that the person should no longer be employed (or only a menial level that you think fits a "bad man") then you can choose to boycot that business. But that seems pretty extreme that your view should outweight society, the victim and the employer.
That is enough punishment for a truly heinous crime.
But, its not enough for the people who are "boldly" taking a stand against something everyone thinks is horrible. No, that employer should not even have the option of hiring that person unless a FULL investigation exonerates them of the charge. Disregard the police and the victim lawsuit investigations, conduct your own. If it shows anything bad, then the clear inference is that they should not hire him.
And, if you disagree or think someone can give someones else a chance without a COMPLETE AND THOROUGH investigation, then you support domestic violence and/or it is a shame for society that the employer doesn't punish him as well.
I am sorry. Depspite the "majority view" (especially on anonymous internet pages), Frank Clark has some "minority rights." The Seahawks do too. Even though he did something horrible, he should be allowed to work in his chosen profession. Moreover, his employer should not have to re-do the criminal invesitgation. They can give the guy a second chance without doing a thorough investigation first.
If you don't like it, then fine. But, stop whining that the Seahawks should have done what you, personally, would have done and investigation AND in the likely event it shows he hit someone, refuse to hire him. Just like your personal feelings on the isse.
P.S. - Seattle's action do nothing to harm Frank Clark. Your only argument that it might is that people like yourselves might make it such an issue that Seattle feels unwarrented public pressure to cut him. But, he will just end up elsewhere. I can't believe you suggest it is Seattle's fault that you are helping spread an unwarrented backlash that could harm Frank Clark. (You are clearly fanning the flames, so don't pretend its others.) It boggles the mind. "Stop hitting yourself, Seattle" - GOB Bluthe.
|2 days 21 hours ago||tour documents||
That is the deciding factor right there. any idea what those documents will be? A copy of HTTV 2015?
|5 days 14 hours ago||came here for this||
it's actually good advice not in that context.
|5 days 23 hours ago||Thanks agin! I found the||
Thanks agin! I found the email. It could have used "football Saturdays" in the subject line. I get so many darn emails from them. Anyway, season tix renewed and going to do some shopping on May 8 too! Can't wait!!
|6 days 2 hours ago||thanks.||
where did you get that alumni association info? I haven't seen that
|1 week 3 days ago||Clearly a schtick||
When it rains the pessimist points out the window and feels vindicated. "See, I told you."
Your far from being "realistic." You have not given an objective assessment of MSU, rather you choose hyperbole and storylines that are trumpeted by the most optimistic MSU fan. McDowell has "by all accounts" been rising since his last year? Whose accounts are thoise? Practice fluff that most fans discount heavily?
How about your failure to mention any weakness for MSU other thant "cornerbacks" which was quickly followed with a comment that Dantonio thrives in that area (i.e., they will be okay). No mention of the change from Narduzzi to others and, even if they are similar coaches, how much it might affect the result based on Narduzzi's personality and in-game decision making. No one knows how it will affect the team but Spartanf fans say they won't miss a beat and Michigan and other fans are more likely to suggest it could be a problem. You don't see it as even a potential issue (nor any other issue facing that team). Why?
Re-read your post. You You say that people here keep saying"take a big step back." How Michigan fans are a "funny mem" about MSU. You also make a joke that you should have "just said Harbaugh" instead of point things out. You also say Michigan fans are saying "no way can they keep this up.." Etc. Your post is littered with your biggest concern.... overly optimistic fans. You exaggerate their pressence in order to defenda your negative take.
Maybe you are a Michigan fan protecting yourself from being too optimistic. You've been burned and you're bitter. Maybe you just enjoy being contrrian or seeing the glass half-full. Who knows what motivates you to be so pessimistic about UM and positive about rivals. I have no idea.
But, you are far from realistic. There is no realism in seeing only positives of others and negatives of UM. You are a pessimist pretending to be "keeping it real." Its a cheap schitck, but you do it well. Keep on hating. Let the dark side feul you.
|1 week 3 days ago||schtick||
I always thought this was his schtick. he always tries to see things in the worst possible light for UM and the best for others. super pessimistic guy who lauds others, but claims being a fan (or favoring) Michigan. like Phil on WTKA. it's entertaining! !
|1 week 4 days ago||no.||
no one wanted what happened, but the locals want to punish them more because they are rich outsiders. others who don't like their socioeconomic group.
|1 week 4 days ago||bias||
you pick another group who would face extreme bias by the Gaylord crowd. why not treat them like they would so group of good old boys from a local community college? no one would even register that as news.
|1 week 4 days ago||wealth has nothing to do with it||
I advocate not judging based on wealth and treating the kids like any other group of kids. the reason many want the up north kids severely punished is some form of socioeconomic insecurity. they see wealth, not justice.
|1 week 4 days ago||social media||
very much like the increased media attention on police brutality, this TYPE of thing has always gone on, it's the social media or video phones bringing it to light that is the issue.
|1 week 4 days ago||this is something||
I think these kids should be punished like the up north kids. discipline by the frats and/or restitution. no criminal record or school expulsion though. that is too far.
|1 week 4 days ago||if||
if we keep it to one game or less per year, then it's fine by me. if we start playing night games all the time, then less so...
|1 week 4 days ago||people come and go||
every year people come and go for different reasons. some are self evident. others are hidden. it sounds like she left for a bunch of reasons aside from the product.
my brother gave up his season tickets because he said he was afraid of a terrorist attack (post 911). actually he had financial problems that not many knew about. likewise others have left because of the media over reaction regarding concussions.
|2 weeks 5 days ago||But, everyone counts tickets||
But, everyone counts tickets sold as the minimum for attendance AFAIK
|2 weeks 5 days ago||Your conclusion? I can't see||
Your conclusion? I can't see your conclusion that we were under 100k for any games last year. The stats seem to indicate the opposite. There was almost always 100k tickets sold or "comped" and the announced attendance was near that amount each time. There are at least a couple thousand employees, media, support staff, etc. The closest they got was Utah when there was 96k in ticket attendance. If you don't believe the "other people" add up to that much, check out the PSU game and the MSU, Iowa and Wisco games from 2010. Even when there is a high demand for tickets and a sell out, there is still 7k or so "others" for each game.
|2 weeks 6 days ago||How does this logic work?||
If the Ravens can visit the Browns for a night game, then why can't we have MSU at night?
Just because another town allows a lot of mayhem, why can't we do the same?
If New Orleans can host Mardi Gras, why can't Birmingham, Michigan? (BTW - Locals in NO seem to hate everything about that holiday, except the influx of money).
So, a southern city will put up with being pissed on and overrun with potentially dangerous drunks, just to increase expsoure and/or revenue for the sole sports teams in the state, why can't we sink to that level?
|2 weeks 6 days ago||Party at MSU||
I often spent weekends in college driving from Ann Arbor to EL to party with friends. The women were hotter and "easier."
|2 weeks 6 days ago||destination||
that is because Ohio is a drive through state and Michigan is a destination in itself.
|3 weeks 2 days ago||behavioral indication.||
there is your internal consent. pretty nebulous area legally. but, few women will ever agree how grey that area is to men.
|3 weeks 2 days ago||No internal consent?||
How often do people get a "yes I want sex" as part of the act? Most of the time it is unspoken and very welcome on both accounts. There is no such thing as internal consent? As you serious with that claim? In fact I know you are not otherwise the legal consent issue would be a man offering proof of verbal consent.
Officer: Were you sure?
Man: I think so. She seemed into it.
Officer:There is no internal consent. If you are not sure, then you are going to jail.
Thanks for not over-stating things....
|3 weeks 2 days ago||Reparations||
Let's pay for the sins of previous generations. I love that idea. As a white male, I should be fine with things that swing too far against me in the other direction just because the previous genertions were abusive. Your logic is infaliable.
|3 weeks 2 days ago||Make no mistake||
I am not trying to say it is OKAY for colleges to be like that. I was just explaining why they are like that/
Having lived in the "real world" now for a long time, I see how silly the whole college atmosphere really is....
Remember, I am the guy who is concerned that frat members will have their lives ruined by being charged with felonies for being young, drunk and destroying an underwater hotel. But, it may hapen because of the "social justice" of teaching rich kids a lesson about respect. (Of course, they should have to repay actual costs.)
The social justice warriors in college need to just go to work and realize that the world is more concerned about much more serious issues.
|3 weeks 2 days ago||Emblematic of the problem||
The statistics pointed out in the first comment are overbroad. Someone responds to say as much. You respond they are right, but they are discounting rape too much. Meanwhile, no one has any clue what is right or wrong. This is often based on internal thoughts and feelings.
The problem is that women may feel "forced" into something when maybe they aren't really being forced. Plus, men are concerned that they have no control over what type of "real consent" is going on inside the mind of a woman.
Unless you have a verbalization of "No," this all exists in the mind of the woman. She may internally consent. She may not internally consent. No one, but the woman knows...and sometimes she is unsure.
That puts the woman in a tremendous position of power.