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|1 day 15 hours ago||Touche||
|1 day 15 hours ago||This is exactly right. Smart||
This is exactly right. Smart choice does not equal a recent national champ. Smart is thinking about a whole host of factors unique to him and the schools.
|1 day 15 hours ago||I feel we would have to get||
I feel we would have to get every single one that we have a more than 50% chance to get. I have never seen 8 guys commit in one week. Any precedent for that?
|1 day 15 hours ago||On your last point, where are||
On your last point, where are 7 to 8 kids going to come from this late? I just don't see how it can happen in so little time
|1 day 18 hours ago||Nice recap. Thanks! I only||
Nice recap. Thanks! I only have one critique. I don't think Weber is in a "heart vs mind" battle. That terminology is poor. It implies that OSU is the smart choice for him. I don't think that is the case. Neither of the situations is smarter for him or one that he "should" do if calculating the best options for him. It is heart vs. heart.
|3 days 9 hours ago||I know lots of ND grads.||
I know lots of ND grads. None are legacies. Not a single one. It's is hard to get into, but so are many schools. It has nothing more to do with legacy than any other school.
If's not nearly possible if you are good enough to get into good schools.
EDIT: I just looked quickly and ND's acceptance rate is 22% while Michigan's rate is 32%. That is not a HUGE difference. Plus, the acceptance rate doesnt take into account how varied the applicant pool really is for each school. You probably need to look at other data.
I am comfortable saying ND is harder to get into, but not "nearly impossible.: I bet that, if you can get into UM then you stand a really good chance of getting into Notre Dame.
The reason you know so many more UM kids than ND kids at your church is because you live in Michigan. Most parents and kids either dont apply to ND or dont want to pay for it for the reason in your opening post. I would draw acceptance criteria from something like that.
Also, as every here says it depends on the type of degree you want, the important criteria is in the college at each university that you would attend. That is WAY to important to not be considered.
|3 days 10 hours ago||Wrong facts.You are basing||
|3 days 12 hours ago||Timing||
Your comment about a Data Scientist (tm) seems to coincide with news from the College of LSA:
|3 days 15 hours ago||One post||
I am only posting one time in this thread and that is to respond to you.
My point was that I don't think people should be making a big deal about this or publicly bashing these kids. The legal process will work and these things will be sorted out. There is no need to pile on extra condemnation. They were young, dumb kids.
Also, I think that some of the people making such comments did it based on the fact these kids are "spoiled" or "rich" and I think that makes our fanbase look petty and biased. Just look at some of thes posts in this thread criticizing this internal email (never intended for the public) for being too positive about their accomplishments in the past. There is no room for pride for these guys, they should only feel shame at all times! Just petty, stupid stuff.
I have no affiliation with any fraternity and I used to be immature and probably resent those kids to some degree when I was at Michigan (i.e., their wealth and advatages). But, I like to think I have matured and that it is possible for people here as well.
FInally, this topic underscores a lot of the threads we see around here year round giving athletes a hard time for running into legal trouble. It is usually athletes at UM other schools. Many people want to rush to judge these kids for their actions.
IMO these things should be handled privately and/or by the legal system. We don't need a thread full of Nancy Grace types who think they know what's best for young kids in trouble. It is unsightly for this blog.
P.S. - I had fun yesterday with the fact that no one would report their son to the police for xdrunk driving and running into your garage. It's a crime to drive drunk. Punishment should be served. But, in reality our likelihood to call the police depends on how close we are to the person or how much we like them. If it was your son's best frined or neighboor vs. a kid from another town or a kid from a family you dislike a lot. On this blog, its craxy that sports team affiliation or greek affiliation should play so heavily into people's perceptions of a just punishment for kids they don't even know.
|4 days 15 hours ago||What?||
A judge would definitely call the police on his own son starting his house on fire. You so crazy.
|4 days 15 hours ago||Not a straw man.||
It was properly inferred from its abscene in his response, In fact, he just posted to clairfy that I was right about what his silence meant.
|4 days 15 hours ago||I guarantee||
I guarantee your son drunk driving, even into your own house, would be a crime.
|4 days 15 hours ago||No kids in college||
I have zero affiliation with any fraternity or soroity.
I just think people on here are not being fair.
I am almost done with this thread.
|4 days 15 hours ago||Okay.||
I will "ground" my kid the same way that you ground your kid for running into your garage. Is that okay? No need to call the cops. I'll even let you come over to check to make sure I follow through. Surely that solves this whole problem.
|4 days 15 hours ago||Great||
Let him clarify. He didn't say. Will he do the same great service for his own children? Personally, I doubt it.
|4 days 15 hours ago||and it just so happens....||
That the punishment to the other kid (criminal record, legal fees in addition to damages, nights in jail, etc.) would just be a lot more harsh than a grounding? It seems that, if you want to teach your child a lesson, that you should impose the same penalty selected by society for the crime and not just ground him. Where is that line? When does your homemade punishment stop being enough?
I only ask because I think this is much tougher to answer than we want to let on....
|4 days 15 hours ago||Yep||
Show of hands, please, how many of you would call the cops on your own kid for running into your garage?
Now what if it was his best friend?
Still not many hands up.
How about if it was some nice kid at school from a down-trodden family?
Now, how about the spoiled, rich kid who picks on your son?
I mean, c'mon. People don't report everything to the cops. You know that.
|4 days 15 hours ago||I wouldnt be able to pay...||
... and I expect you would. You would love to teach other kids a lesson about the harsh realities of life and that they won't get special treatement. But, then fail to do the same for your son and not call the cops on him when he does the same thing the next week.
If so, either you don't love your son enough to teach him the hard less ons in life OR you're a blatant hypocrite.
|4 days 15 hours ago||Why?||
WOuldn't you want to hold your kid to the same standard as any other kid? Isn't the point here to teach these kids not to be spoiled and that they won't get special treatement any differently than other people?
|4 days 16 hours ago||The only way||
The only way the hotels shut down for these repairs is if insurance will pay business interruption damage (or the kids' parents). As I said, some rooms will be closed, but repairs shouldnt take weeks.
I am not saying what they did was okay or anything, but let's not make it seem like they shutdown a business or something.
|4 days 16 hours ago||Small business owner||
I am also a small business owner. As you point out, it is not always a lucrative field. However, my point was that money can "make you whole" in a business sense. It does suck to dealwith that stuff, but if it is paid for, then you are fine.
You know that insurance covers business interruption as well (although that will likely not happen in this case). You also know that the people who destroy things can also be liable for the consequential damage to your business in order for you to be made whole.
On the other hand, if you destroy my wedding album and take things from my homwe with sentimental value, then I won't necessarily be made whole by money (like a business would).
In court, the business case never goes to trial or a jury. The business will calculate its damages and a settlement of some kind would be made. If it did get to damages before the jury, the damages would be compensatory and consequential. It would be a math problem.
However, if you destroyed someone's home (while still likely to settle b/c insurance companies and all) there is less certainty over the degree of damages. How do you value a family heirloom that may not have much auction value? I think in that case, you can make a claim to the jury that you have deeper damages than the numbers that needs to be compensated. IN some jurisidictions, you can probably ADD a claim for emotional distress damages because of the personal nature of the items and its effect on your life.
|4 days 16 hours ago||I am ashamed of people who||
I am ashamed of people who anonymously sit in judgement of college kids on the Internet. I HATE it when football players get in legal trouble at school (Clark, Winston, Rather Hall, etc) and the fans come out and make it a sports issue and bash the kids. I think the teams and schools will take care of it. BUT, in those instances I kind of understand extreme fandom getting in the way of better judgment and there may also be a legit issue there if to certain coach is NOT holding kids accountable or playing favorites to those who make more tackles. Those potential football-related issues usually keep me from getting worked up about people harshly sitting in judgment of kids.
Here, though, there is no sports angle. None. There is also little to associate it with the university as a whole. People just want these kids to PAY and I think a lot of that has to do with hating fraternities or those with advantages in life. It is ugly jealously spurring harsh judgements of young kids who got too drunk and stupid. They should pay, but we shouldn't be sitting here making nasty comments about it.
|4 days 16 hours ago||They COULD||
Of course they could face prosecution. I just dont know if they will.
I don't know. If my son had a wild party while I was out of town and there was substantial damage to my house, I would be mainly concerned with getting made whole. I guess if he didn't invite them or there were other reasons or if they were unapologetic... I mean maybe I would consider reporting them to the police. But, if it was his friends and his party, I am probably not going to report HIM and the other kids to the police just to "teach them a lesson." I will just want the house fixed at no cost.
Now, if it was my business and not my home in which he threw the party I think I would be less likely to press charges.
P..S. - This is interesting. What if you came home to find your son was buzzed and ran the car into the garage? You would be totally pissed and punish him, etc. But, would you call the police to "teach him a lesson"?
|4 days 16 hours ago||When?||
Since when did reading comprehesion mean searching for two key words? C'mon.
|4 days 16 hours ago||Lost revenue||
Since when do you close down a hotel for crumbled ceiling tile on the hallway floor? I think they will stay open. Some rooms might have to be closed for drywall repair, but that hardly takes long.
ALso, unlike rape or DUI, there was no danger to life or body here.
|4 days 16 hours ago||Important correction to your assumption||
I am saying those don't matter to me and shouldnt matter to the board. Those are obviously both crimes and society has a way of punishing them and it will. (BTW - I personally consider physical assulat worse than property damage and I think the laws passed by the people agree with me on that).
I just think that, when we are talking about young college kids (and often HS kids) that we don't need the "jumping on" to publicly bash them. What happened with that MSU recruit from Cass Tech was just SAD. No reason to rub it in. That kid has problems and he is going to have a tough life dealing with those mental issues.
So, these things definitely matter, but let's not hide behind computers and berate them more.
That is just my opinion.
P.S. - I am not a defense attorney.
|4 days 16 hours ago||Pictures?||
The ceiling tile picture looks bad because of all the rumble that was created out of the cheap ceiling tile. Otherwise, the damage looks like a crazy party.
If this were the Rolling Stones at a hotel, it would be a funny story that would epitomize rock and roll. But its not. These are kids, so it shouldn't be celebrated. They should pay.
Whether you THINK throwing money at a problem should make it go away, it does in a lot of situations in life. We are talking about property damage. If some drunk husband found out his wife was cheating and busted up a hotel room, I would be fine with him paying for damage. If some neighboor kids are playing ball too close to my house after being warned, then they should pay for the window they broke. Is that just throwing money at the problem? Yes. Do we need more? I don't think so, but I also think that should be up to the parents of the kids in the fraternities and not the internet.
|4 days 16 hours ago||Tolerated?||
Who is tolerating it? These kids are going to pay for the damage. We all want to see that.
|4 days 16 hours ago||Depends||
Your first statement depends on the amount of damage.
Your second statement is wrong IMO. WHile business is important, it hardly means the same to people. If my office was ransacked or my home, I would mainly feel horrible about things that can not be replaced (like pictures and kid drawings). It is mainly the things I brought into my office from home that I would feel are irreplaceable.
|4 days 17 hours ago||I am arguing against being||
I am arguing against being jaded and bitter about those with more advantages being spoiled idiots. Have patience. Time and life will take their advantages away if they are idiots.