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|1 day 9 hours ago||Are you from the future? I||
Are you from the future? I am watching on Sling and just saw this kick
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|1 day 9 hours ago||Go rainbow warriors!!! Get a nice W and help our SOS!!!!||
Go rainbow warriors!!! Get a nice W and help our SOS!!!!
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|1 day 15 hours ago||Weird||
I always thought the opposite. Ricks was closer to the fraternities and always had preppier clientele.
|1 week 5 days ago||the joke||
you are missing it. It is making fun of people who think that it is anything other than a matter of time for UM based on where the maize and blue currently stand.
|1 week 5 days ago||never old||
This joke will never get old because of the tools who still say that with a straight face in a discussion about UM. But. it doesn't have a long shelf life as a joke anyway.....
|2 weeks 2 days ago||Notre Dame||
|2 weeks 2 days ago||My take||
Hackenberg had a ot of great talent It may not have been developed well, but I think the single biggest thing affecting him and the whole PSU season was --- disgustingly poor OL play.
They didn't just suck, they were terrible.
They got a new OL coach (one of the best coaches on Jerry Kill's Staff AFAIK) and they have guys coming into being their upperclassmen years (when changes can start taking hold). If they get the OL better, they will have a much better offense regardless of QB play.
They are always stout on defense and should remain so.
I am not saying they will win the Big Ten East or anything. They will likely look better than last year though.
|2 weeks 2 days ago||Brnig better beer?||
I get the sense you have some ties to Wisco people.
Anyway, you compared the best ever era of Wisco to the worst ever era of PSU. There is no debate that PSU has a better and deeper football history. If you want to look at PSU's recent struggles they still stack up well to the best Wisco can offer. What does that tell you?
Regardless, neither program is the same program they were throughout the majority of the time period you selected. Wisco and PSU are both years and a couple coaches removed from their last conference title.
PSU is a "better football school" and I don't think there is much debate about that among the non-biased among us.
|2 weeks 2 days ago||Hmm..||
I think Wisco travels about the same as Iowa. They have a diehard core base, but not that many "local alums" and/or casual fans. But, compared to PSU, they are a small school. PSU is a school with a richer football tradition and identity (shown by their unbelievable denials about JoePa to this day). They also have a HUGE university system with many more students than Wisco. I think they have a larger Metro Detroit-based alumni network too
I have been to many games in AA with both schools and I think PSU has a better following for road games. (OSU is tops and MSU is now number 2, ND is up near MSU, then PSU, Iowa/Wisco after that....)
NOW, with respect to bowl games, I think Wisco might give them a run for their money (Iowa too). But I think that is because Iowa and Wisco are harsher climates in the winter with less to do than people on the East Coast.
It would be interesting to see someone do a deep analysis....
|2 weeks 2 days ago||Not trying to pick a fight...||
.. but what is this based on? I know Iowa travels well and I have heard the same about PSU and other schools. I think Michigan travels well too.
Of course, there is a difference between traveling well for bowl games versus conference games, but I have never heard that about WIsco. (I have been to a handful of Wisco games and I have been to a game in Madison, but never noticed or heard this,)
|2 weeks 2 days ago||Disagree||
I think PSU is set up for a rebound year. They will be undefeated.
|2 weeks 2 days ago||PSU||
1. Bigger football school and better opposing fan following to AA.
2. I think they will have a slightly better team than Wisco.
3. History of some great games in the past.
4. FIRST real big test and very likely to be undefeated. (If we happen to lose, then the Wisco game might be arough one to attend.)
5. If you are not sitting in the sun, the weather might be better a little earlier.
6. Impatience means you might not last one extra week...
|2 weeks 3 days ago||?||
I dont think they "shoved them around like rag dolls." I think MSU won a sloppy game and was down until a final desperation moments. DO you think they do that if they lose to Michigan? Do you think they do that if they don't blieve they are a "team of destiny" that wins on last second miracles?
I don't know.
I do know that, based on their teams last year, that OSU wins that game 9 times out of 10. Of course, UM wins the MSU game last year too..... if not for the improbable.
I get it that MSU will always be good. They will not always be lucky though and you pointing to last year as evidence otherwise is misplaced.
|2 weeks 3 days ago||You have problems||
What happened to you? WHo are you to tell Michigan fans not to have confidence? Did you go around talking shit about MSU for so long that you had to take it on the chin?
Some of us never did or had to endure that. Some of us are excited for Michigan and can see it heading in the right direction on the field. This has nothing to do with feeling better about the past. (Michigan fans normally feel fine about their history.)
This has to do with the future. Will something that made the current B10 champion good be gone soon? What if there were rumors of Dantonio leaving? Could we speculate then? What if there were rumors of Meyer leaving? Could we anticipate the future then? Can we get excited about Jim Harbaugh choosing Michigan over the NFL yet? What if we returned a bunch of starters and had a great QB coach with a GREAT track record? Could we talk about the future at that point?
No, you don't want to talk about the future. You demand results, now, August 10th, weeks before the first game. (We all know it comes down to game results, but some of us allow ourselves to think about the future....)
Being a cynic or a critic does not make you a realist. It takes a long time for some people to realize that.
|2 weeks 3 days ago||?||
I don't think he won it four times, but I don't know.
Anyway, the point is that those seasons have been built on a motivational foundation of standing up to UM and beating them. Once they get that confidence built up in them, they believe in themselves the rest of the year. The MSU players say in the article that it is their identity for the team...not just their identity for the UM game.
So, will the past you mention continue when that element is gone? That is the question. What happens when you lose your edge and/or identity as a program?
|2 weeks 3 days ago||End game?||
What is the end game of sports discussion? WHat is the end game of sports talk radio?
We are just talking about stuff, for the sake of discussion. Calm down.
Obviously, the results on the field matter the most. We all know that. No one is forgetting that.
We just come here to talk about Dave Brandon, Josh Groban, schedule predictions, past players, recruits, etc. Over 90% of the stuff we talk about is not the final score of a game. I mean, what is the point of a UFR post? The game is over, move one.
Let's just have a discussion about how important being able to beat Michigan has been for MSU's success. Let's leave the other reasons aside and specutlate on that... If you can't think that deeply and can only paruse box scores, then maybe sports discussions are not for you.
|2 weeks 3 days ago||Weird dude||
You are a weird dude. He said "if" that happens and "if" Michigan wins the NC. I don't think he was predicting it or putting money on it.
It is possible that UM blows out MSU this year and it is possible that UM wins the NC. I don't think it is probable though.
Harbaugh showed his team could go toe-to-toe with MSU in his first year rebuilding with young guys. What does he typically do in year two? Where is the ceiling?
|2 weeks 3 days ago||Great||
I feel like some people "over compliment" MSU because of some weirdo UM fans who do not give MSU any credit.
I am neither. They have done great. I agree with your points, but the question is how important one of those points "played the underdog/disrespect card like a boss" will be in the future when they cannot crow about beating UM?
This article, published today, seems to imply it will change their identity on a fundamental level. They will still have good, solid coaching and players who are better than their rankings, but what does that mean without the disrespect?
|2 weeks 3 days ago||Um...||
No one failed to give him credit. I swear that some peope are so defensive that you have to say something nice about Dantonio as a coach or youre a hater or something. I never said he was a good, bad or other coach. It is beside the point and it can be assumed he is a good coach.
Come up with a new schtick.
John L did not help us. Even Saban could not win at MSU when UM was their "normal" program. You need to learn about "rules" and "exceptions/" You also should look to see how much Michigan's teams were motivated by the wins over MSU back then.... were they even mentioned?
|2 weeks 3 days ago||He is well established||
Dantonio is well-established. But, the foundation of his team psyche and motivation has been their ability to stand up to UM and beat them. It permeates their whole season. So, if MSU starts to face tougher UM teams and cannot rely on that confidence and pride, what is his foundation?
He is not a Saban, Meyer or Harbaugh type who has shown success at lots of different jobs. His whole coaching identity has been the disrespeckt for being little brother.... Will he turn into a Beliema at Arkansas or a Franklin at Vanderbilt?
|2 weeks 3 days ago||Hmmm||
I think they have been Iowa/Wisco solid, but that beating Michigan helped them more than you are letting on. Their coaching and team put them at about the Wisco (Beliema years) level (or Iowa under Ferentz), but that they beat teams like OSU and ND based on their confidence. They think that if they can beat "bg brother" then they can beat anyone. It fuels them in all their games. The quote makes clear that it is part of their everyday mentality in the program and that leads to success in other ways.....
|2 weeks 3 days ago||But...||
but... but... you did comment.
|2 weeks 3 days ago||Didn't know||
I didn't know this horse was dead. I thought some people still think MSU will win B10 championships when Michigan is humming again. If everyone agrees that they will be lost without their motivationa; ploy, then I will delete this original post.
|2 weeks 3 days ago||Sorry.||
I can't actually play anymore. So, I cant kick the shit out of them.
|3 weeks 4 days ago||Actually||
I think Pre-Season All American Honors will get you a free cup of coffee. I bet any player on that list could walk into a local coffee joint and get a free cup o'Joe.
I also think that a lot of the SEC players probably get even more from earning those accolades....
|4 weeks 1 day ago||Pics||
What do they look like? Can't wait.
|4 weeks 2 days ago||I second the idea...||
Maybe a long-serving stadium employee?
Maybe a long serving doctor at UM hospital?
or.... How about Sexy Grandpa from Bursley? j/k
|4 weeks 2 days ago||Good point||
I was thinking of getting one, but that is something that looks really strange to me too.
|4 weeks 3 days ago||yeah||
but wrs can often make a difference as true freshmen. it can translate quickly.
|4 weeks 4 days ago||O'Korn||
it will be him. Everything else is just a ploy. But, I agree. It doesn't matter.