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- "Kissing Robert Young's ass" is an mischaracterization of most of the comments (including mine). Most comments stated that it made sense for MSU to hire a defense attorney, and that Young also brought a lot of political weight. I'm not going to defend every comment made (especially those by others), but if this is the tag being applied to my posts then I don't feel that's a fair characterization.
- The article doesn't mention Young at all, so I'm not even sure what you're getting at with this comment.
- Yes, generally, a good attorney would advise his client not to try to settle with a represented party. There's no indication that this did or didn't happen here, or that Young even knew.
- In any event, the criticism of Young that was previously posted was about his previous decisions issues as a judge, which is entirely unrelated to this issue. I acknowledge that some were claiming that he wasn't qualified, but I don't think that was the substance of the debate.
- Most of the people raising points were lawyers (as far as I can tell) who felt that the situation was NOT being properly understood by people who don't often deal with these situations.
| Date | Title | Body |
|---|---|---|
| 3 hours 24 min ago | Belleville gets a lot of |
Belleville gets a lot of athletes in both sports. Not a bridge you want to start burning. We are already behind there. |
| 3 hours 33 min ago | Indeed. |
Indeed. |
| 3 hours 41 min ago | Crowell does like MSU, |
Crowell does like MSU, regardless of being a Wilcher protoge. I recognize this will hold very little weight coming from some random poster you don't know (and frankly I don't blame you), but I know someone who is very close with him and who he has shared these types of opinions with. It's nothing that can't be overcome, but these type of situations don't help. |
| 15 hours 17 min ago | I’m going to have to change |
I’m going to have to change from shouting about “holding” our DL to HODLing. |
| 15 hours 20 min ago | Well, Dogecoin is still worth |
Well, Dogecoin is still worth more than MGOPoints, so... |
| 15 hours 24 min ago | I’m not going to belabor the |
I’m not going to belabor the point, so this is the last I’ll say about this line of reasoning: You are using something about which we don’t have information (what was contained in MSU’s response) as evidence/support for the position that MSU hasnt self reported violations. This is a textbook case of argument from ignorance. We literally don’t know what was in MSUs report. So, you add in a dubious assumption (that MSU would publically release admitted violations in the name of “transparency”) based on that unknown to draw a conclusion that MSU failed to self report. The absence of evidence is not the evidence of absence. Maybe MSU didn’t self report those violations that the Luck letter mentioned, maybe they did. Even your own article says that MSU spokespeople declined to answer that question. We’ll find out soon enough through open records requests. |
| 16 hours 42 min ago | You would do well to read |
You would do well to read your own post. Saying “and as far as anyone knows they have failed to do so” is literally your words, asserting that MSU has failed to self disclose. |
| 18 hours 35 min ago | As far as anyone knows, |
As far as anyone knows, aliens built the pyramids. Unless YOU know, It is 100% accurate. |
| 19 hours 5 min ago | MSU is certainly more worried |
MSU is certainly more worried about the lawsuits than PR image at this point, but no doubt Engler knows better than to even mention a number in that conversation. It was a gaffe by him, plain and simple. |
| 19 hours 28 min ago | Agreed. Blast away on all of |
Agreed. Blast away on all of MSU’s other mistakes - and there are plenty to choose from - but this is a classic logical fallacy of argument from ignorance. |
| 20 hours 26 min ago | The latter. |
The latter. |
| 21 hours 54 min ago | Amazingly.... |
Amazingly his bio reads as follows for his redshirt year:
Which is eerily familar to Mr. Davis' injury-plagued 2011 medical redshirt season:
And yes, Reschke's MSU football bio is the first hit if you google his name. |
| 22 hours 10 min ago | This is an interesting |
This is an interesting development. For one, the leak of this email trail is pretty significant given it has MSU's counsel talking about this issue on it. That is a pretty significant step to take to leak that to the press.
Also the article quotes a few board members (Lyons, Mosallam, and Byrum) as criticizing the administration's handling of this situation.
Both of those are significant in that there is a disconnect between Engler and some BOT members, and there are people (presumably the BOT) who want this to be made more public. That's a pretty big crack and the first time we've seen one made so publicly (and appanrelty intentionally). |
| 22 hours 28 min ago | I think the article is a |
I think the article is a little confusing, but when they are referencing those statements that refer to her in the first person I believe it is the emails they were sending back and forth, which were not intended as public statements. |
| 1 day 1 hour ago | They put him in the Ed Davis |
They put him in the Ed Davis time machine. |
| 1 day 2 hours ago | (No subject) | |
| 2 days 4 hours ago | I’m going to have nightmares |
I’m going to have nightmares about what is going on with Miley’s arm. |
| 2 days 5 hours ago | That is an extremely odd and |
That is an extremely odd and random comparison. |
| 5 days 17 hours ago | I'd be shocked if Young ever |
I'd be shocked if Young ever resigned from this position. This is exact type of plum gig he was looking for when he left the MSC.
Obviously Engler and the Board aren't winning PR battles at this point, but it just feels like they're fighting the litigation war and letting the PR cards fall as they may. So I think a lot of this is at least partially intentional. Most organizations do not play it that aggressively, but there are a fewthat do. It is definitely not the strategy I'd advise. |
| 5 days 21 hours ago | Well said. And anyone who |
Well said. And anyone who does a good job at this knows that there is a balancing act between legal risk and brand risk and sometimes (perhaps, often) run contrary to one another. A good crisis manager (or manager who is handling a crisis) is able to correctly balance these. The best manage these and end up with positive stories as a selling point in some cases. MSU is absolutely failing at that. |
| 5 days 23 hours ago | Thank you for the link and |
Thank you for the link and the news. Yes, this is likely unethical. Yes if proven true it could result in discipline for Engler. Yes, I'm disgusted by how the MSU situation has been and is being handled (as I've said multiple times). Regarding this comment:
Given that I was one of the people trying to explain why MSU would hire a defense counsel like Young last week (mostly unsuccessfully, apparently), I'll respond to part of it: In general, people need to realize that plenty of people here who may be raising points or disagreeing with you on certain items may also be offended, outraged, upset, etc., about how MSU is handling a situation. We can rationally disagree on approaches and have a conversation about this without it becoming vitriolic mudslinging. Calling people "kiss asses" and "apologists" (and conflating defense of MSU's hiring of Young with Engler's actions and then future actions) is simply inappropriate and doesn't lead to an cordial and educated discussion on this. |
| 1 week 2 days ago | Damn, where’s Michael |
Damn, where’s Michael Rosenberg when you need him? |
| 1 week 2 days ago | “Why aren’t they filing rape |
“Why aren’t they filing rape charges” says the RCMB poster who has never taken a civics class that explains civil and criminal law. My god. |
| 1 week 2 days ago | I think that the article is |
I think that the article is confusing. The MSU release says Tile IX “lawsuits” not “complaints” https://msutoday.msu.edu/news/2018/msu-appoints-new-legal-team-as-bob-no... In effect, he’s going to be the “lead counsel” for defense of these issues. I doubt he’d be handling or weighing in on individual Title IX complaints. That distinction is much more likely, and much more consistent with the role description. |
| 1 week 2 days ago | I think the legal issues |
I think the legal issues often are oversimplified on this board. And that creates a ton of issues, especially because these can easily cross over into political issues. This thread (and title) are a perfect example of it. And I’m someone who is absolutely disgusted by MSU’s handling of these issues. I don’t associate that politically, but I acknowledge most of those being discussed on here fall on one side of the spectrum. I understand the reason behind the no politics rule, but I get the criticism that it’s hard to enforce. Truthfully, I think it is and it’s never going to be great, and I just try to focus on the non-political aspects. I get that might not be your cup of tea, it it makes this place way more enjoyable. |
| 1 week 2 days ago | Thank you. This thread is |
Thank you. This thread is very frustrating with people not understanding a defense attorneys role. Yes, there’s a PR element, but you deal with that aside from the attorney. |
| 1 week 2 days ago | You realize he was a partner |
You realize he was a partner at Dickinson Wright for 10 years, right? I thought it was pretty obvious that he was going to serve as a lead defense strategist consolidating the strategy across various internal and external complains and coordinating in-house with outside counsel. Yes, he brings a big name and tons of political weight. That obviously was a factor, but as I’m sure you’re aware, that’s a common tactic. |
| 1 week 3 days ago | The only "high caliber QB" |
The only "high caliber QB" that UM has recruited and played has 44 attempts (Peters). Let's calm down. |
| 1 week 3 days ago | I often respond to these |
I often respond to these questions, as an employer-side attorney and I'm probably in the minority in my views on these because of what I do. But you can do so without being overtly political. |
| 1 week 3 days ago | It's a but unclear, but, the |
It's a but unclear, but, the MSU posting says:
I don't read that he's leading MSU's Title IX unit, rather, that he's acting as a defense attorney for MSU for their lawsuits. That also seems consistent with previous reports. Young is extremely legally conservative, business-friendly, and generally considered a textualist (those three often go hand-in-hand), as probably every lawyer in Michigan knows. He's defending MSU, that is why they hired him. That being said, I understand the criticism. There's a balancing act MSU should be doing in terms of defense and sending the appropriate message, and I think they're doing too much of the former and not enough of the latter.
I also wouldn't read the decision in Brown v. SWS to be as negative as the treatment it's getting. The question there was whether the employer could be liable for the rape that occured through a negligent retention standard due to harassing comments the individual had made. The statements Young made in that case are in that context, although as noted above, he's more business-friendly in the employment realm. |
