Mike Lantry, 1972
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|1 week 4 days ago||Even better||
Meyer asking Harbaugh "What's your deal?" after Michigan runs up the score.
|2 weeks 3 days ago||Reason for hope||
By year three of his stint at Colorado State, Funk's squad was averaging 2.5 yards per carry (114th out of 119th). In year four, they improved to 3.8 yards per carry (71st out of 120), on their way to a 3-9 record. Improvement, huzzah!
|3 weeks 5 days ago||MAC Coach of the Year||
Well, 2011 MAC Coach of the Year was Ron English. I'm sure Michigan fans (and Hoke himself) would trade any of those coach of the year awards for a conference title.
|7 weeks 1 day ago||Michigan State, UCF, and Baylor||
Baylor has 2. More importantly, Baylor has Art Briles.
It will always be true that some teams outperform their recruiting ranks. Others underperform. Given that we were 7-6 this past year, I thought some people have focused on the relative recruiting success of Hoke. I was merely pointing out that at least this year, with respect to recruiting, as judged by Scout.com, our relative recruiting success against our primary rival is...not particularly strong. I'd much rather win in the fall than win in recruiting, but this was a thread about recruiting.
|7 weeks 1 day ago||Top 100 recruits||
At least according to these Scout.com ratings, Michigan has 3 commits in the top 100. Ohio State has 10. That is not good.
|7 weeks 5 days ago||Progression/regression||
2008 - 8 games under 300
2009 - 3 games under 300
2010 - 0 games under 300
2011 - 3 games under 300
2012 - 4 games under 300
2013 - 5 games under 300
Obviously, it's not that the total under RR (11) roughly equals the number under Borges (12). The majority under RR came in his first year. Borges' number of games under 300 rose each year. The regression under Borges at Michigan is consistent with the regression that Borges has experienced at other stops.
That said, he seems like a good guy and I wish him well.
|8 weeks 1 day ago||Business processes, etc.||
My question regarding this premise is why did Brandon agree to pay Hoke approximately $4M/yr in March 2011? That was not the market price for Hoke. Minnesota had looked at Hoke in November 2010, and then hired Jerry Kill in December 2010 (ultimately at around $1.2M/yr). Given the intense desire on Hoke's part to coach Michigan, and the lack of interest in Hoke from other top programs, his compensation appears significantly inflated.
|8 weeks 2 days ago||Bob Stitt - HC of small school||
Actually, I think Bob Stitt would take the right OC job. (He first gained some notoriety when Holgorsen credited him after the 2012 Orange Bowl as the inventor of the Fly Sweep, when WVU put up 70 on Clemson.) It would be like a Malzahn hire, when he jumped to the OC ranks of an FBS school. Not saying Michigan will consider it, but some smart program should interview him.
|8 weeks 2 days ago||Bob Stitt -- Colorado School of Mines||
Bob Stitt -- Colorado School of Mines.
|8 weeks 3 days ago||Michigan's schedule||
Given that Auburn this year played at LSU and at Texas A&M, and also played Alabama, Georgia, Ole Miss, and Missouri, is Michigan's schedule next year really a murderer's row? I would say no. (It will of course be harder than this year's schedule.)
|8 weeks 3 days ago||Yards per carry||
Cal. under Borges:
’01 5.7 (pre-Borges)
Auburn under Borges:
’10 5.6 (pre-Borges)
’12 4.1 (Loeffler )
’13 6.3 (Malzahn)
’11 3.4 (pre-RR)
Count me as someone who does not believe that all OCs, all schemes, and all S&C programs are relatively equal on the FBS stage. (If that were truly the case, we should simply hire the staff willing to work for the lowest amount. Our spending suggests that we do not subscribe to this theory.)
|9 weeks 1 day ago||E.g., LSU||
LSU started a true freshman at center this year that Hoke turned away (because he had filled up the class at that point on OL) -- Ethan Pocic. And this was despite the fact that Pocic had not even played any center in high school. Stop blaming the former regime. It's year four for Hoke, Funk, and Al.
|9 weeks 1 day ago||Congrats to Jerry Montgomery||
Oklahoma D line coached by our former D line coach Jerry Montgomery, who was poached at the end of last season.
|9 weeks 2 days ago||Freshman offensive linemen||
I believe Ethan Pocic, whose offer Hoke pulled when we filled up and who was high on Michigan, started some games this year at center for LSU as a true freshman. I also believe he had never played the center spot before reporting to LSU.
|9 weeks 2 days ago||247Sports article (free) - Peppers||
The author of the article has responded in the comments, and notes that while Speight has "better tools, but sometimes the ball does not come out right," and Peavy has been the most consistently accurate, the best QB he has seen on Team Nitro has been...Jabrill Peppers.
|9 weeks 3 days ago||Return to traditional Michigan run game||
2010: 5.58 yards/attempt
2011: 5.15 yards/attempt
2012: 4.76 yards/attempt
2013: 3.28 yards/attempt
|9 weeks 3 days ago||This narrative||
This narrative is not only tired, but just not accurate. The Arizona QB literally had no offers coming out of high school. He enrolled in Arizona last year out of junior college. It appears he had no other offers coming out of junior college, unlike, for example, Bo Wallace or even Nick Montana. With this zero star recruit, RR leads them to an 8-5 record and a beatdown of Oregon and BC in their bowl game. And you attribute this to a plethora of talent left by Stoops? If this were Michigan and Hoke, many would be saying that he needs a four/five star QB with four years under genius Al to learn to properly "execute" his perfect West Coast Offense, of which Al would not change a thing, no matter what happens in any game.
The true freshman leading receiver for Arizona is also a three-star recruit. How can it be that a true freshman is productive? Is this person attiributable to the cupboard Stoops left as well?
|9 weeks 4 days ago||Money for John Harbaugh||
To be fair, though, somehow we decided to pay $4 million for a coach that has never won a conference title, and is barely .500 lifetime (even coaching in the MAC and MWC). (The fact that Brandon hired Hoke and Borges doesn't surprise me; the fact that he is wildly overpaying them is somewhat troubling.) If John Harbaugh -- a Super Bowl winning coach who has won 2/3 of his games in the NFL, is in his prime, has a great coaching tree (e.g., Chuck Pagano coached under him), has Michigan ties, and is not a diffiicult personality (like his brother) -- were really an an option at $7 million a year, Michigan would be foolish not to pay it.
|9 weeks 4 days ago||Difficulty of West Coast Offense||
The problem with trying to implement a difficult offense that takes 3 years to really learn at Michigan is that colleges have constant turnover. This is not the 49ers, which might have the same QB and receivers for the better part of a decade.
|9 weeks 4 days ago||Hoke's aspirations||
Yes, Hoke:UM::Bill Stewart:WVU.
(Except Bill Stewart had a better 3 year post-RR win-loss record at WVU than Hoke has had at UM.)
|9 weeks 6 days ago||12th game under 300 yards?||
Isn't this the 12th game under 300 yards for Borges?
2011: WMU, Mich. St., Va. Tech
2012: Ala., ND, Neb., OSU
2013: UConn, Mich. St., Neb., Iowa, K. St.
Note that in true Borges regression fashion, he has had more each year.
In 2010, our worst offensive output was 342 yards against 15th ranked Miss. State.
|10 weeks 2 days ago||Injury||
Any news about an injury that Borges may have suffered around 2001?
|10 weeks 3 days ago||Top 10 recruiting classes||
Our recruiting classes were ranked as following according to 247Sports the three years prior to Hoke's arrival:
Yes, the 2012 and 2013 recruiting classes were good, and better than the 2008-10 period, but it is not as if we went from the 40s to the top ten. Recruiting is not a panacea that cures poor coaching.
There is a reason why Auburn under Loeffler last year did not win a single SEC game, and is in the championship game this year under a new staff. At some point, the finger-pointing at the RR era will not simply be overplayed, but will not hold any water at all. (To look at it another way, has the cupboard been bare at every place Borges has coached? Why has he not lasted at any major job in the past 15 years? In what program that he coached has the offense gotten better over time?)
*Edit: One last note. Oregon over this period (2008-present) has never had a top 10 recruiting class. Stanford had one (2012, which preceded a 51st ranking for a small class in 2013). Other than 2011 (the "Process" year with Dave Brandon), Michigan has consistently had more highly ranked recruiting classes than Oregon or Stanford. A team does not need multiple top 10 recruiting classes to field a competent offense.
|10 weeks 4 days ago||Mauk, QB recruiting, and roster management||
Rather than try to re-invent the wheel, I'll simply link to this discussion from 2011 (in a Maty Mauk commitment thread), in which Magnus points out that having more than 3 scholarship athletes on your roster at the most important position is a good idea:
Also, if I remember correctly, Michigan didn't even know whether Gardner would get a medical redshirt when they made the decision to forego taking a QB that class.
|10 weeks 4 days ago||Borges||
I don't think it's controversial to say that Borges must have had a hot seat at points during this year (e.g., when we were breaking 40 year records of offensiveness ineptitude). Given that he always points to "execution" as the problem and never admits that any of the problems can be attributed to him (e.g., never says something like "I called a bad game -- I shouldn't have run Fitz that 27th time when we were averaging 1 yard a carry"), it is not implausible to think that it will cross Borges' mind that a poor offensive showing this weekend could be blamed on a true freshman QB in his first start. Frankly, it's a much better excuse than blaming OL recruiting from 3-4 years ago, or the youth at OL in a late season game when everyone has starts under their belts.
|10 weeks 4 days ago||Agreed||
And the excuses about OL recruiting from four years ago, which seem to be the latest and most prominent excuse for the team's regression since the Sugar Bowl, need to end. We're about to start year four of the Hoke/Borges(probably)/Funk era. Of course, for Borges, if it isn't RR to blame, it's the lack of "execution" on the players' part.
|12 weeks 5 days ago||The facts||
Considering that we are likely to maintain an OC after a couple of the worst games in modern Michigan history (and a three year period of regression, consistent with the regression he has had at nearly every other stop), so I think we are long past facts having any value...but just to quickly respond:
After MSU went 3-5 in league play last year, they actually fired their Offensive Coordinator. I would be happy with following their lead, as you suggest. Or are you now going to change your example?
(Obviously it doesn't matter. Many people here are fine with the status quo. I would rather make a change. It is a miserable time to be a fan, seeing how well our rivals are doing, how well teams like Auburn are doing in the first year of a transition, etc.)
|12 weeks 5 days ago||To be the best||
To be the best, you need to hire the best, or at least individuals who are elite. We have a .500 head coach is a basically a DL coach who recruits well. (And he reunited the fan base initially, which was a very good thing.) As a pure delegator, he is reliant on his coaching staff. What other program wanted Borges when he washed out from the SEC? Who is coming to learn at the footsteps of Funk? We are so far away from the best, to put that as a goal is not fair to the kids who have to struggle under this coaching staff. (One area in which our coaches are overachieving is compensation. While Michigan previously underpaid its coaches for the privilege of coaching at Michigan, the fact that we are now paying one of the highest salaries in college football to a coach that has never won a conference championship on any level and that no one elite program would want is somewhat jarring.)
Brandon, and many others, did not want the best -- they wanted the familiar and the non-threatening. A "man who won't need a map to Ann Arbor." Hoke fit that perfectly.
Even some posters here have thrown out the name Scott Loeffler as a potential Borges replacement because he is a Michigan man and therefore familiar. This is despite the fact that the Loeffler-led Auburn team last year lost every SEC game it played, and in the first year under Malzahn's new coaching staff, they are headed to the national championship game. (But it takes five years to evaluate coaches, right?)
|12 weeks 5 days ago||Rutgers standard||
Nice to see Rutgers not accepting 3-5 conference record as something that is okay without making any changes. A level of expectations we can aspire to one day again, I suppose....
|13 weeks 2 days ago||4th year as coaches||
In the fourth year of Hoke/Borges/Funk, you still will not be able to attribute any blame to them? Even if they cannot coach up, for instance, one of the highest ranked guards in the country as a recruit, in his third year under these coaches? Might as well give everyone a perpetual pass -- RR is to blame for all problems forever. On the other hand, Auburn fired Scott Loeffler (OC) and Gene Chizik (head coach), who led Auburn to a 0-9 SEC record last year, and in year one of the new regime, they are 7-1 in the SEC, ranked #3 in the country, and have the 5th best rushing offense.