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|4 days 14 hours ago||Jabrill..||
Michigan needs your mentality. You are a champion. Come become a legend by leading this squad.
|2 weeks 1 day ago||Nelson Mandela Lives||
Nelson Mandela lives on. A life that exemplified my deepest truth; 'Love is the only proper response'.
|5 weeks 1 day ago||How About..||
How about all the players playing with poor fundamentals. Would that qualify as evidence?
|5 weeks 2 days ago||I Like The Way You Think BornInAA||
I Like The Way You Think BornInAA.
It's like raising kids. One parent says to the teen rebel, 'getting good grades and doing all your assignments will get you far in life'. And the kid half way listens.
The other parent says, 'No missed assignments. Not even a damn pop quiz. You miss one assignment, ever..and the cell phone is mine. The video games are mine. The only thing you will do is eat, sleep and school. Plus, I want weekly progress reports until I feel better about this. Missed assignments are the worst thing you can do in my damn house. Not having it. And then they really mean it and enact the promised punishment.
You get what you accept..
|5 weeks 4 days ago||Sending Energy and Prayer||
Sending energy and prayer hoping to see a completely successful outcome and recovery. May love flood your presence and remove all uncertainty and doubt.
|5 weeks 5 days ago||Point Was That Davidson||
'Point was that Davidson grew tired of Larry Brown and his ego and interferred and made him go away, thus ending what could have been an extended championship run.
I agree however, that comparing Brandon to Davidson is generous. Davidson brought championships prior to the Larry Brown firing.
|5 weeks 5 days ago||Has David Brandon Become Joe Dumars and Bill Davidson?||
Has David Brandon become Joe Dumars and Bill Davidson?
I will preface my theories with the concession that I have no inside sources in order to substantiate my suspicions. But a couple of things are surfacing which makes trained analysts note the parrallels.
1. This outfit has the symptoms of a demoralized organization. If you have ever been in an organization that was humming along on all cylinders until the leadership changed, either by retirement or other circumstance..and the new leadership came in with bright ideas that missed; New ideas without consulting the veterans and an inability to read situations clearly, combined with the inability to recognize talent versus the professional ass-kissers..
Then you have seen this before. The situation reaches critical mass at the point where everyone basically quits inside their own mind as a psyche- preservation exercise. The futility erupts into a realization that the situation is hopeless.
2. Bill Davidson, and by default Joe Dumars, became inflated to the point that they believed their organizational structure was responsible for the successes. So rather than accept that Larry Brown's eccentricity was the necessary evil accompanying his genius, they thought that with their superior organization, that just about any coach could plug in and continue the success. Their arrogance destroyed the fiber of the winning chemistry. But, at least the Larry Brown ego was no longer a nuisance.
Is it possible that meddling by the chief is undermining the cohesiveness of this organization? Is it possible that true feelings cannot be expressed or that the veteran's ideas are being overruled? To the point of giving up inside but putting on the face in order to keep the paycheck coming until the ship inevitably runs aground?
Is it possible that a Jim Harbaugh or a Nick Saban or an Urban Meyer have no real chance to be hired here? Was Jim Harbaugh our Larry Brown? His eccentricity overruling his ability to stick regardless of brilliance?
And finally, in closing, I want to answer those who have asked if not Hoke, then who? What 'Michigan Man' is out there or who would want come here?
I will answer that with a question. What Marine, what Seaman, what Airman and what Soldier is just that before basic training?
Close to none of them. That is why they go through basic training. To restructure them into the epitome of the organization.
So along those same precepts, any coach with supreme ability can be molded into a Michigan Man. There would just need to be a 'basic training' program to indoctrinate them as to the do's and don'ts at Michigan.
Michigan deserves to be the best football program in the land. There are coaches out there with the resume accomplished to the point that their thoughts have turned to their legacy.
What greater legacy for a coach would there be than to take the winningest team in history to it's greatest heights ever?
That would equal immortality if you pull it off. There are a few coaches that would bite at a chance for immortality and who 'know' they can do it here.
The only caveat is that the AD would have to give up sitting in on team affairs.
|6 weeks 3 days ago||Our Coaches Have To Stop Being Afraid||
Our coaches have to stop being afraid of freshmen mistakes. If a senior has more experience but could never match the youngster's pure ability, you have to give the nod to ability if you want to maximize your talent and team ceiling. Why on earth would you hold your own team back?
|6 weeks 3 days ago||There Is No Valid Excuse||
There is no valid excuse for your best athletes not seeing the field. In fact, if the best team in the land does it consistently, why can't we learn from that example?
If Alabama can play four running backs in a game, play freshmen regularly, then all of the reasons I am hearing here for not playing freshmen or stud athletes sounds like pure dumb shit.
|6 weeks 3 days ago||You Have To Trust Your Freshmen Players||
You have to be able to trust your freshmen players.
|6 weeks 3 days ago||The Best Players||
The best players don't always play..and that is a shame. It is telling when players become starters in the NFL but they could not get on the field in college. A talent like Furman, Thomas, Green would be on the field for most B10 teams. It is not like we are 'great' without them contributing.
|6 weeks 4 days ago||Taking A Shot At Norfleet||
Taking a shot at Norfleet or judging dreaklocks as 'less than respectable' is completely out of line. You missed respect 101.
|6 weeks 5 days ago||That (Kb)||
That (Kb)..exactly. Alabama plays freshmen. Alabama plays four running backs in a single game.
|6 weeks 6 days ago||Enough is Enough||
Enough is Enough. If this..when this staff loses big to Ohio State, they will speed toward a major correction. The folks that have clout will put on the pressure and there will be change. Today was a complete embarrassment. It was an outclassing. Michigan was no match. Spin it any way you wish. That cannot be acceptable here. No one will need to add to the weight this staff is bringing to bear on themselves. All we have to do is standby and wait for it to end.
There are too many things wrong to think that it will be fixed anytime soon. Dantonio has actually said he likes Brady Hoke. I bet Urban does too. If Urban is really smart, he'll call off the horses and keep the game relatively close. Because a blowout by the Buckeyes will be the beginning of the end.
The end may be a sacrificial coach or two at first, but it will just delay the inevitable. This staff is in over their heads. Not one unit is impressive nor fundamentally sound.
Michigan can attract the best coaches in the country. But they do not want to. They are smarter than that. Smarter than hiring the best.
|6 weeks 6 days ago||I Hope That Hoke||
I hope that Hoke is smart enough to evaluate this situation correctly and make the necessary adjustments. That is all that I can say right now because I choose to remain positive.
|7 weeks 3 days ago||The Hit Voted Most Ferocious||
The hit voted most ferocious in college football belongs to the 1997 Michigan football squad.
"1997 What hit could possibly top this list after the collisions you've just seen? How about a hit that immediately ended the careers of both players involved? Michigan safety Daydrion Taylor hit Penn State tight end Bob Stephenson so hard on the final play of the first quarter in the teams' 1997 game in Happy Valley that it horrifyingly knocked both players out. Stephenson was later diagnosed with a Grade 3 concussion, while Taylor underwent neck fusion surgery. Our choice for the Biggest Hit in College Football History is so legendary that the Big Ten Network did a feature on it last fall on the 15-year anniversary of the play, showing the permanent effect it had on both Taylor's and Stephenson's lives. We're just glad neither player was permanently injured during a hit that looked like two freight trains colliding."
|7 weeks 3 days ago||I Agree||
I agree that the Spartans are coached for '60 minutes of unnecesarry roughness' whereas the 1997 team was coached to 'lay the wood'. This is by no means 'apples to apples'. That said, you can be physically intimidating without being dirty. The rules allow for physical intimidation without the Spartans brand of thugery. Our defense can certainly stand to be more physical. I don't recall the last time a Michigan DB laid an impressive stick. Too often I see them pass up the opportunity to make a hit.
|7 weeks 3 days ago||It Is Clear||
It is clear that State is in Michigan's heads. That is the very reason you play a physically intimidating style of defense. As a defensive back in my playing days I purposely honed a reputation as a fearless, no-regard-for-personal-safety hitter. I wanted opponents to think that I was a little bit nutso. I hit a receiver at every opportunity on every single play as if I were trying to run through him. This resulted in many a dropped pass as the receiver turned to locate me before securing the pass so that he could brace for the contact. Because he knew it was coming. I had more than my share of opponents carted off the field. Call it dirty if you wish.
Really good defenses have a twelveth man on the field. His name is intimidation. Those of you old enough to have witnessed the 1997 Michigan defense firsthand know very well what I am talking about. That defense delivered blows that stopped play while bodies were carted off the field on numerous occasions. How ironic that Michigan State has now adopted this style of defense.
The very reason you play a physically punishing style is so that your opponent cannot concentrate solely on offensive execution. He must also factor in self preservation.
I loved that Michigan 1997 defense. This 2013 Indiana offense would have been completely out of rhythm against that defense. There would have been hits that made us cringe. There would have been receivers short-arming passes. There would have been receivers starting fist fights out of frustration. What there would not have been is receivers snatching balls away from DBs.
Until Michigan plays defense like that again, we will wait for another national championship.
|7 weeks 5 days ago||AAAMICHFAN||
AAAMICHFAN, hell yeah. I like the way you said that there. I am putting my energy with yours. 31-10 Michigan.
Third eye sees this one and makes it so.
Brady Hoke is walking through Da'Shawn Hand's high school parking lot after his visit Friday night, and there on the ground near his rental car is a brown paper bag with something inside it glowing through the bag eerily. It is a pulsating light in a deep blue hue. Brady picks up the bag and looks inside it. The deep blue light exits the bag and consumes Hoke's entire being. Lo and behold, it is pure, uncut swag.
The swag penetrates Hoke to his core.
Fast forward to the team meeting to start the final week of preparation on Monday, 10/28. Hoke stands at the podium waiting for the team to finish settling in. He stands there in silence until the team notices his posture and every mouth shuts up. Hoke continues to stand there in silence. Seconds pass. No words. Everybody in the room is paying rapt attention.
'Men, the past is just that. Over. From this fucking second forward, we are kicking ass and taking prisoners. We are going into Spartan stadium and taking that bitch over. Damn X's and O's. I want scalps. I want blood. I want their tears. I want their hearts. I want their goddamn lunch money.
AM I CLEAR?'
|8 weeks 5 days ago||Well Said||
Well said, Moxiechicago. I was thinking something similar and then read your post. I think it could be said that this goes to identity, somewhat. With Harbaugh, for instance, you know exactly the identity of his teams. They will be tough. They will be agressive. They will make generally quick and decisive adjustments. Or take Urban Meyer. You know that he is a master of analysis and on the fly adjustment. He can analyze what is happening real time and adjust better than the majority of coaches at this level.
Which leads to my second point. I think the whole polar opposite argument is short-sighted. The guys who are getting uptight as if it is wrong to criticize Borges and then turn around and give him credit. It's as if they think you have to adhere to one end of the hate Borges or love Borges spectrum. My reality is that you have to have a point of reference for your expectations. That point of reference for me is the Ohio State Buckeyes. They have a coach that is very astute and who will kick your ass if you come into the game hell bent on your drawing board strategy and cannot adjust on the fly.
I suspect that a week of viewing film of Indiana got our identity challenged staff thinking offensively. Which pours directly into the 'plays to the level of competition' argument. I agree with previous posters that would like to see the aggressive approach full time. For me, the style of play displayed by the 1997 squad is the template. That defense came to hurt you.
|8 weeks 5 days ago||We'll see..||
We'll see against Sparty if Al Borges has an answer this year for the double A gap blitz Sparty destroyed us with last time out.
|8 weeks 5 days ago||Astute Observation Stephenr..||
Astute observation Stephenr..
|8 weeks 5 days ago||Astute..||
|8 weeks 5 days ago||Borges Is Capable..||
Borges is capable when he doesn't get in his own way. Let's not forget how Alabama defeated him before the game was even played. He 'knew' certain plays wouldn't work against Alabama, so he never ran them to test them.
|8 weeks 5 days ago||I really Like..||
I really like what I have seen from Channing Stribling and Jourdan Lewis. They have been right there with the receivers. Since they are just now getting game experience, it will take a few games for them to adjust and play in games like they do in practices. When they get the jitters out and start to play with confidence and swagger, we could have a huge leap in corner play within this season.
|8 weeks 5 days ago||I Agree That They're..||
I agree that they're not that far away. You nailed it when you mentioned getting the best players on the field. One of my most sour personal sports memories is from when I first played organized football as a 12 year old. I had been playing tackle football with the older kids in my neighborhood since I was nine. I was the only little kid they let play with them because I was a fearless tackler. I would attack their legs and wrap them up without equipment. I embarrassed a lot of 15 and 16 year olds by bringing them down. Then they had to hear the smack talk from their peers. My point is that I was seasoned when I joined my first organized team at 12. With a helmet and pads, I was an instant terror. I was a natural corner. Quick, fast, nasty and cocky. I enjoyed intimidating receivers. I was the best corner on the team from the first practice in pads. After one of the starters flubbed a play at practice, the coaches would insert me to show them how it should be done. But it took half a season and my dad blowing his top at the coaches for me to see the field in a game. So I am personally familiar with coaches being enamored with certain players for one reason or another and not being objective. Central point, with the level of Michigan's recruiting, there may be beasts sitting on the bench. It happens.
This second point, I really, really hate that the source is Matt Millen, and I apologize for that in advance. But damn, he nailed it. He encapsulated what I have been trying to say in this space but perhaps missing the eloquence to convey it clearly. This team simply needs to embrace a 'snatch your heart out fierceness'. In the words of Millen:
""There's a certain attitude that you have to possess, and that's what your team has to be about," says Millen, who relished the NFL's competition and savored film study and even, yes, training camp as much as playing on Sundays. He was even known to start a few scraps at 49ers practices to toughen a team sometimes criticized for having too much finesse.
"That stuff is contagious — that esprit de corps that's on some teams and missing on others. You have to have it."
|9 weeks 1 day ago||Dude||
I accept your apology. I also apologize for perhaps being a little too sensitive. I get where you are coming from as far as negativity. Actually, I tend to observe far more than I comment, as I thoroughly enjoy the array of opinions and depth of knowledge on display in this space.
If I were to analyze myself, I would say that Michigan is the only team that I still care enough for to sit down and actually watch the games. Otherwise, I am very much okay to read about the games afterwards rather than watch them.
I was frustrated because this team beat itself. But moreso because I kept waiting to see them come out with a bully countenance and physically punish the other team instead of playing tentatively. I thought the coaches should have found a way by now to get these guys to become the aggressors. In truth, I probably expect too much, as 1997 may just be as good as it gets in this lifetime.
I had a very long day at work today. From 8:00 this morning until almost 11pm. It was very refreshing to see your post after reading that the Tigers lost.
Brother, I wish you and yours the best.
I am better for having this exchange. Here's hoping these young men learn to seize the moment and reach their full potential.
|9 weeks 2 days ago||For the record||
For the record:
1. An internet forum is a place for discussion by definition. I will add that it is a place to have your opinions viewed by a particular audience. I will even cede that it is a place for debate, somewhat hesitantly.
2. That being said, I would expect on this forum that the discourse be gentlemanly as we are supposedly on the same 'team', so to speak. So when you start off your engagement with another member with 'WTF are you talking about' and add 'no fucking way' as a final refuttal to their points, you surrender the right to take the high road. 'Should be easily understood as you display enough mental acumen that I hold out some glimmer of hope that you are interested in comraderie and productive discourse.
3. You absolutely deserved at that point to be told to 'STFU'. You dish out disrepect, then take it like a man.
4. A mature 'Michigan Man' gets this (gentlemanly discourse). So for you to act otherwise implies: A. That you are young enough to not know any better ('junior' and 'grow up'). Or B: Worse..you intentionally display asshole tendencies as a grown up adult.
5. I hold out little hope that this will end in us being brethren, because I don't believe at this point that that is within your set of motivations here (although, if engaged respectfully, I am absolutely capable of being right here right now and letting the past go).
6. Notice, that I have never once disparaged another member or their opinion in a disrespectful manner. You obviously are impressed by yourself for you to attempt to throw stones and then step back and acuse me of being the antagonist.
7. Go Blue.
|9 weeks 4 days ago||Perhaps||
Perhaps in your lust to make this about me and you, you missed the fact that beyond the turnovers, beyond the missed field goals, MIchigan did not go for the win. O'brien even said he decided that somebody had to go for the win and so he chose to take the chances to win at the end. Michigan played way too conservative in the overtimes. I am done engaging you. This is about seeing Michigan improve. Hard, cold facts required.
|9 weeks 4 days ago||Yes||
Yes. What is bothering me is that you are small enough to engage my opinion in a personal manner. Inept is what I saw Saturday from Al Borges. As did numerous national analysts paid for their analysis. And then to try and humor me..please, junior. Grow up.