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No hesitation or fear in his…

No hesitation or fear in his game.

Juwan should have handled it…

Juwan should have handled it better and UM will do what they do.  I hope Big Ten disciplines Gard.  You can't get in another grown man's face like that and expect nothing to happen.   I thought Juwan was completely in the right until he reached back over once someone got in between them. Can't do that.

That was enjoyable

That was enjoyable

Dave Clawson could be…

Dave Clawson could be interesting at this point of the season. 

I follow some draft guys on…

I follow some draft guys on twitter.  I have seen several people have Thib ahead and have seen a couple defend their decision when pressed.  They say that both are close and the gap from those two to the pack is quite large.  They had Thib ahead because he saw an inordinate amount of double and triple teams this year and still produced whereas Hutchinson had Ojabo so he got more opportunities on an island.

As a Lions fan I hope they take Hutch as I think a lot of the qualities that lead him to come back to get over the OSU hump would translate well to turning the Lions into a respectable franchise.

Glad to have been wrong…

Glad to have been wrong about JH.  His changes were on point.  This team was well coached and he stayed aggressive all the way through.  Earned every ounce of that victory and I couldn't be happier for him and the team.

It isn't randomness at this…

It isn't randomness at this point. It is a decision to play a certain style that allows teams to hang around.

MSU won because they made 2 huge plays on fourth down.   If JH is coaching MSU they lose that game.  Even with all the "good fortune" and "Randomness."   

Good coaches up 30-14 half way through the third don't lose those games. They go for the kill shot.  JH tries to bleed clock and something will always go wrong that gives the other team a chance.

People say the same things after every loss to MSU.  Last year it was the DC. In 2017 it was the rain. 

The UFR will give more… The UFR will give more clarity, but I believe UM was bringing in short yardage personnel and MSU was using tempo to try to keep that package on the field.
Tucker wins this game with… Tucker wins this game with either roster.
Glad to have some deep shots…

Glad to have some deep shots with my crow.

I think the people defending…

I think the people defending the offense are missing the point.   Michigan is really good at running the ball and could become great.  The problem is that just doesn't get it done anymore.  UM is going to have to score 40 (at least) on OSU to beat them.  That is the reality of today's game.  To do that without big chunk plays through the air requires so much precision the margin of error is almost non existent. 
Bama can run all over 99 percent of teams, even better than UM.  But Saban understands that even his defense can't be expected to shut down good teams.  He had a WR win the heisman.

To point that out isn't a hot take and you can be level-headed and still have concerns while also being excited UM is 4-0.  UM fans have seen the same scenario play out over and over and I think a lot of the frustration is that many were hoping JH finally understood the reality of the modern game when he brought in a younger staff.

 

Gattis said in his…

Gattis said in his introductory press conference his offense would not have a fullback.   He has had a fullback all three years.  This year there isn't one listed but they are using All as a fullback.  He also said his offense was predicated on getting quick guys the ball in space.  Now, he is using multiple TEs that are zeros in the passing game and extra O-lineman. Things JH has always had in his offenses.

Gattis is calling plays but Harbaugh has staples and is still involved in the planning of the offense.  It isn't as if JH is sitting around waiting for Saturdays to be surprised by the game-plan and player usage.

I like Cade, seems like a…

I like Cade, seems like a good dude, but I don't know how in the year 2021 anyone would ever recruit a Qb without the ability to run.  It's such an equalizer.

Last year's team didn't get…

Last year's team didn't get the benefit of body bags.  Sure, this team is improved but the style is the same as always.  The D is healthy and the O-line, QB and RB seem improved so that should lead to more wins.  But,  I would guess this team will "fade" down the stretch again but in reality it is never a "fade", more of a play style being exploited by better teams.

I think it is Gattis'…

I think it is Gattis' concepts but I just don't see the guy who came in saying there would be no fullback and his goal was to get small quick twitch guys in space suddenly decided the best way to score was using 3 TEs and extra lineman. 

I mean at this point a…

I mean at this point a personnel issue is just as damning for JH. 

Quack Quack Mr. Ducksworth. 

Quack Quack Mr. Ducksworth. 

I agree with most of what…

I agree with most of what you're saying, I just don't think it alleviates JH from blame.  Okay, DB was good against bad teams and got torched vs good ones.  JH saw that in '18 and brought him back in '19, saw it in '19 and brought him back again.   You can't just say JH has no blame in his assistants woe's, he allowed them to happen and continue.  Going small didn't happen over night.  It was obvious and JH allowed it to go on. 

There is a lot of cherry picking on your end with Gattis. I didn't say he had a full year last year, but he had one before it.  He got hired after the '18 off season.  He had that off season, '19 fall camp and all of '19 season to install his offense.  And his offense got better except for against the 2 good teams at the end.  Isn't that the same as DB?  Michigan wasn't the only school dealing with covid, so that doesn't alleviate blame either. MSU beat them and they had less time than UM did with all new schemes, both sides of the ball.  No other school needs multiple years to have a cohesive offense.  This is college, there are always going to be new guys. 

Drevno is Drevno.

Pep deserves more flack in my opinion.  Down 14 with 3 minutes to go against ND and they are huddling the whole way down the field.  How does that happen?  High school teams wouldn't allow that to happen. 

My point is every staff under JH has been great while they're here and then the second they leave they were obviously terrible and JH couldn't do anything about it. 

Jim's tenure has been better…

Jim's tenure has been better than the previous seven years but it is also fair to lay some blame for his assistant's woes at his feet.  

Gattis has been at Michigan 3 seasons, with a full regular off-season, camp and season in '19 before covid.  He had enough time to install the deep track RB pass to 5th string walk-on TE. He was hired after one phone call.  JH hired Don Brown, he watched the tape and decided that is what he wanted for a defense.  So if he really is a one trick pony, JH should have seen that earlier, especially after OSU in '19. (I don't really buy this explanation.  The defense out-paced the O during Brown's tenure.  I think it was more due to roster mis-mgmt based on a DB's decision to go small inside.  JH should have not let that happen.)   

And even if you ride with your explanations for Gattis and Brown, that doesn't explain Drevno and Pep and why both got an extra year after it was clear that well wasn't producing water. 

This staff does have a different feel to it with more of a focus on recruitment and I hope JH has put together a staff that puts schemes in place to max their talent. 

But, that isn't a non answer…

But, that isn't a non answer if it is the answer antd is just one example of a possible expectation.  

Yes, it would make me feel a little better considering he had to revamp his whole program including the recruiting operation which was rumored to be disorganized and not on the same page for multiple years. That starts at the top with clear communication. 

And this is probably a stupid hill to die on, I just kind of got hopeful at the beginning of the interview when he said Cade was the starter.  I don't think he would have done that in years past. So, I got the feel that maybe he was just going to tell it how it is and not be as evasive on easy questions and be more Jimmy M'Fing Harbaugh again.

 

Regurgitating coach speak…

Regurgitating coach speak when asked about expectations isn't being positive.  He should know what the expectations are and he should be able to clearly state them.

I thought when he elaborated and said the process would lead to success that was better but it just seems so hard to get him to answer a normal question. They're trying to win the Big 10, just say it and own it.  Being coy about it doesn't give any advantage to UM.

MLB constantly over thinks…

MLB constantly over thinks everything.  Ratings are up on the streaming service and are down on cable.  They keep trying gimmicks like this to get the younger audience.  All they have to do is stop blacking out local games on streaming devices since a lot of 20-40 year olds are moving away form cable and the majority of those are casual fans that only want to watch their local teams. 

Maybe, even add options of packages that allow you to stream just local teams, or packages with 3-5 teams. 

 

If you end up being the…

If you end up being the starter at OSU you are basically guaranteed to be a draft pick.  Guys can go there for 2 years and see if they're next in line, if they're not they can transfer to pretty much any other school of their choice and have 3 years left.  Guaranteed playing time isn't a better path to the NFL.

This kid moved from Canada…

This kid moved from Canada to a small school during covid.  You're using that exception to make a declarative statement about the whole system.   He received a generic 3 star until they scout him.  Not an arbitrary 3 star ranking.  There is a difference, especially this early in the cycle, coming off a year where teams didn't have seasons. The majority of 3 stars have been scouted and receive a 3 star, because that is what they are. 

The rest of your argument is just a bunch of hypotheticals strung together that will never actually happen in practice.  The hit rate on 4 and 5 stars is too high for there to be enough busts that hitting on enough 3 stars will render the rankings moot, especially for how low the hit rate is on 3 stars.  You know it and that is why at the end you hedge with the "ESPECIALLY once you get outside the top 150."  And yeah, for arguments sake, if you throw out the top 150 the hit rates get closer.  The problem with that argument is that UM is trying to beat a team that gets a lot of top 150 guys.  So you can't throw them out.  

Not sure how you can cite…

Not sure how you can cite track record of a staff when the staff has a lot of new guys and the recruiting department just had a massive overhaul as they weren't getting the job done.  

And yes, every year there are guys who fall through the cracks.  Probably more this year than usual, but rankings are proven more correct than not time and time again as the last teams standing usually have the highest percentage of 4 and 5 stars. 

And this guy seems like a good get and checks a lot of the fall through the crack boxes as he moved late and was from a different country, but acting like that says something about the system as a whole doesn't make a lot of sense. 

Harbaugh had success in a…

Harbaugh had success in a different era of football. 

High academic standards don't explain why UM can't get a play called efficiently.  Or why they can't go up tempo.  Or why they still run multiple TE/FB sets while other teams have moved away from those formations. 

I respect that JH has tried to bring in guys to run a more modern offense.  But it hasn't worked and at a certain point a head coach who has had success in the modern college game should be brought in. 

The odds of making a good…

The odds of making a good hire are better than the odds of a coach figuring it out in year 8. 

Brian Kelly went 4-8 and ND…

Brian Kelly went 4-8 and ND gave him another chance.  Kelly capitalized on the chance quickly going 10-3 with a win in the Citrus bowl. 

Harbaugh is getting the same chance.  If he doesn't capitalize on it, UM should move on. 

For some reason it seems JH…

For some reason it seems JH has disdain for the maize road pants.  It seems like such a simple choice to go back to that look.  It is clean, simple and recognizable at the same time. 

These are better than the all whites at least. 

Penn St plays OSU tough…

Penn St plays OSU tough every year.   UM doesn't just lose, they get blown out now that Hoke's guys are gone.  UM has enough resources and talent to at least do as well as Penn St.  

On all the new coaches…

On all the new coaches thread, there is a large group of JH supporters who claim a coaching change would crater recruiting for 2 years. I believe the judge is pointing out that even though JH was kept around he is basically starting over in regards to recruiting, and hasn't set the trail on fire with top talent.  And at the least a new coach would be shiny and still have the possibility of upside on the field.  JH is starting over while being a known commodity in not being able to orchestrate a high powered offense. 

This is why I will always be…

This is why I will always be pro transfer portal and pro 1 time free transfer rule.  I don't think people realize just how little leverage student athletes have once they sign and enroll. 

 

Yeah, how dare they hire a…

Yeah, how dare they hire a guy who kept getting promoted and other programs wanted.  Way better to get guys who are bad enough to stick around long enough to get fired and scapegoated to get JH another extension. 

I don't understand this take…

I don't understand this take.  He was leaving programs because he was getting shots at bigger ones or taking promotions.  He went from G5 to P5 to NFL to DC to head coach.  That is what should happen at big time programs (the timing here was just unfortunate).  I'm more worried about the guys that have been around several years that no other programs sniff around for a promotion. 

One of the UCLA bigs…

One of the UCLA bigs traveled on an awkward layup.  He changed pivot foots twice. That was a rough call.  Also, don't know how Dickenson didn't get free throws on the one foul when he was clearly shooting.  Other than that I don't think it was as bad as described. Pretty much every call is subjective in basketball so if you look hard enough there are always arguments both ways. 

One thing that bothers me about basketball is rewarding a big falling over.  I don't blame the refs but I hope they make it an emphasis and change the way it's called.  No chance anyone on earth can knock over a 250lb man without a running start.  Nwobu couldn't get on the ground fast enough.  Reward guys like Davis who stand their ground and are playing defense not playing for calls. 

Outside of DPJ none of those…

Outside of DPJ none of those guys should have taken targets from Nico.  That's the problem.  Top teams feed their best guys, Michigan tries to get everyone involved then punts on 4th and short when it doesn't work out. 

Howard pulled the right…

Howard pulled the right string getting Dickinson on 2.   Lotta open threes available on O if they keep the ball moving once it touches the post.  Brooks is cold blooded. 

And if I remember correctly,…

And if I remember correctly, it seemed Crean always had bad injury luck. 

Not to mention that when Pep…

Not to mention that when Pep was hired Michigan became the first team in college to have 3 assistants making 1 million. LSU and Alabama were the only 2 other schools with 2.  The problem has been hiring quality on the offensive side or interfering with quality on the offensive side, no way to know.

Rashod Bateman is an…

Rashod Bateman is an impressive pull while he was at Minnesota. 

Hart was a pretty consistent…

Hart was a pretty consistent recruiter at IU, even out recruiting Jay a couple years at a much harder school to recruit at. Hart also helped Jarvion Franklin break a lot of records at WMU. 

Recruiting rankings

Jay    13 79 40 22

Hart  44 40 37  40

I think it is easier for a…

I think it is easier for a defensive coach like Saban to switch his offensive philosophy.  To me. the more appropriate question for Harbaugh is, "Can a pro offensive mind make the transition to a modern spread and be effective?"  If the modern game changed defense and everyone was going to a 3-3-5, would Saban be able to coach that as effectively? 

If Urban was time-machined back to the mid 70s and made an NFL coach, could he coach a manball offense?  It is tough enough to be a good coach, I would imagine it would make it that much harder coaching something you don't know like the back of your hand. 

I played baseball at a high level and had summer league coaches that played all the way up to the show.  I played when not bunting was becoming hip and when people would talk to these coaches about not bunting, it was as if people were speaking Chinese.  

 

Comparing win totals at Iowa…

Comparing win totals at Iowa State and Michigan is not an apples to apples comparison. 

I would guess Colts or…

I would guess Colts or Saints if he goes anywhere.  I would love to see him with Payton or Reich. 

No, he means when Gattis was…

No, he means when Gattis was at Alabama, before he came to Michigan. His point is that the offense at Alabama doesn't do the things being done at UM currently, so he thinks that is JH's influence. 

I'd expect it to be similar…

I'd expect it to be similar to how he beat Oklahoma twice, or how he beat a top 5 TCU team. 

I'm not so sure beating teams you're not supposed to beat is the best way for Harbaugh supporters to go after Campbell's resume. 

I think ADs always have a…

I think ADs always have a short list of targets in case they need to fill an opening.  I don't think this ever go to the point of inquiring.  I would guess Warde wanted JH back from the jump and the JH NFL rumors were speculation based on the timeline.  But, I think the timeline being weird was mostly due to JH's insistence to not negotiate during a season.   That isn't to say I think the decision is the correct one, but I hope JH proves me wrong. 

Matt Campbell hasn't had 1…

Matt Campbell hasn't had 1 good year at ISU.  He won 8 games twice prior to this year and has been steadily building that program in the correct direction. 

I am not saying career arc is straight up and down but time is undefeated.  The game passes every one by.  Saban has made dramatic changes to his coaching style.  Harbaugh punted on 4th and 2 on the plus 40 in a game he had nothing to lose. I don't think that mind set can get it done in the modern game.  I hope he proves me wrong.

To me, hiring Campbell now would be similar to hiring Harbaugh right after Stanford.  A coach that is somewhat proven but still has a lot to prove. That is what I mean by career arc. 

Or they never offered him…

Or they never offered him because they have a coach under contract so they know no offer would actually be taken seriously.  Or, they didn't offer bc if they wanted to move on from Harbaugh, they would probably at the very least want to have an interview with someone before offering them the position. 

This argument would only…

This argument would only make sense if he was offered the job and turned it down.