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|1 week 6 days ago||Yes||
For hazing that time I believe
|1 week 6 days ago||Not exclusive||
SAM started as a Jewish frat but has non-Jewish members often. Even if that were not the case, private organizations can include or exclude whoever they want. Case in point: country clubs like Augusta with women, the Boy Scouts with homosexuals, etc. I'm not saying it's right, but courts side w/ the private organizations.
|1 week 6 days ago||Long story short||
We were there but folded in spring 2002 (my soph year) as we couldn't get enough bodies to get a house to replace the one that burned down a couple years prior (which was not our fault it was during the summer when it was vacant). They recolonized in 2004 or 2005 and bought the house they have now.
|1 week 6 days ago||Agree completely||
As a former SAM, that was the prevailing opinion of the alumni contacted about this incident. The brothers on campus brought this upon themselves. There were many emails (which I will NOT be posting here this time) that expressed disappointment in the current SAM brothers but not surprise, given that any names given would also wind up in the hands of the police. I had always called for those responsible for this to be booted out of SAM, and now thanks to their circling of the wagons, they are all getting the boot. But SAM will be back at UM, some day.
|1 week 6 days ago||No||
National SAM is basically going along with the UM's punishment, ending the fraternity on campus for the next four years. UM is too big of a school with too large of a Jewish population for SAM to stay away for long. They'll probably try again, especially as an alumni corporation owns the SAM house. They'll probably rent it to another house for the next few years, and then recolonize in 4-5 years.
|2 weeks 5 days ago||Implied threats cross the line||
Free speech is fine, even if it is bad speech. As much as I hate the Westboro Baptist a-holes, they have the right to spew their vile crap. When it crosses the lines into threats of violence, such as hanging people from trees, then no, it is not ok and becomes something that creates a hostile learning environment. So, if a left wing group on campus was saying they were going to protest about something right wing, then no, that doesn't create a hostile environment for right wing students. If those left wing students state they are going to hang right wing people from trees, or beat them, or kill them, or whatever, then it crosses the line into hostile territory and out the door they go.
Let's take race out of this. Let's pretend the SAE song instead of being about hanging N****rs from trees, lets say the song was about spiking women's drinks and raping them when they passed out. They'd still be deservedly tossed off campus for that, because they are again implying actions of violence and creating a hostile learning environment.
|2 weeks 6 days ago||Hostile learning environment||
OU President Boren's statement on the expulsions explicitly states that the actions by SAE led to a hostile learning environment on the campus & that was grounds for expulsion. That's not a bad bar to set. If a student group at UM called for hanging n****rs in trees just like the SAE song said, I'd expect UM to do the same. Any other comparable hate speech should also be grounds for expulsion at any school.
|2 weeks 6 days ago||To answer the OP's SAM questions||
You had mentioned in the original post that you were wondering as to the outcome of the SAM incident at Treetops. Here is the latest that the situation stands at right now (much of this was covered on the board previously a few weeks ago when the penalty was announced):
The university has given the fraternity the death penalty, effectively, by barring it from campus for 4 years minimum, and they'd have to apply to be reinstated in the future. The current brothers can appeal this decision, but it does not seem likely they will do so. It is perceived that UM gave them the death penalty because UM SAM has circled the wagons and is refusing to name names, probably out of fear those brothers would face criminal or civil prosecution. In the decision given by the UM dean that issued the punishment, she repeatedly pointed out that no individuals responsible for the damages have been named to either the MI state police or to UM by SAM. So, by circling the wagons, they effectively have killed the fraternity, preferring to all go down with the ship. SAM national has not pulled UM SAM's charter, meaning they can live in the house for the remainder of the school year. The corporation that owns the SAM house (it's owned by alumni and rented to the current bros) will not be renting it next year to the current brothers at the present time.
I am personally very disappointed in the current incarnation of SAM, especially in the "leadership" they have currently in their house. If they were truly leaders, this wouldn't have happened in the first place.
|2 weeks 6 days ago||How free speech works||
Since there seem to be many comments in here about whether or not the expulsion would be a violation of their free speech rights, here's a friendly reminder about the first amendment. It protects you from government prosecution. That's it. While you can argue that a public university may be a government organization and their discipline would violate the 1st amendment, open racism is most likely a violation of the school's honor code, allowing for the expulsion. Or in this case, OU's president thinks they're assholes and is showing them the door. I applaud President Boren for his swift action on this.
|4 weeks 3 days ago||For the record||
from a former SAM, here's the timeline.
In the mid 90s we got kicked off campus for something before my time. In 1999 they recolonized the frat, but they lost their house when it burned down during the summer when no one was living there. We didnt burn down our house and the insurance adjusters never solved what caused it to happen (or if they did, I was never told). In fall of 2000 I was a pledge in the house-less house, signing up to join under promises from national that they were going to buy us a house.
They tried to build the frat back up to the size where national would spring for a new house, but national wouldn't front the $ without us getting enough guys. we couldn't get enough guys to pledge in 2001 without a house, and we couldn't get a house without enough guys to pledge. In 2002 the house folded after spring semester. In 2004 national SAM recolonized and bought the new kids a house right away, having learned from their mistake with us, which enabled them to get enough bodies since people would actually pledge the frat again.
|4 weeks 3 days ago||Wow, harsh||
As a former UM SAM, I've weighed in on the other threads on this incident. I was always calling for punishment (you can check my comments history) because I felt that the brothers responsible for the damages should be kicked out of the frat, and made to pay back the damages. I didn't think they should boot the whole house though, that seemed excessive. As long as those directly responsible were punished, at least. This punishment is quite harsh IMO. I wonder if the U felt the whole house was responsible and there were not enough good apples worth salvaging after booting all the bad ones, so they just booted the whole bunch?
|4 weeks 4 days ago||Split household||
My wife sees white and gold. My son & I see blue and black.
|4 weeks 5 days ago||Several of them, including M00N||
I was at M00N live and in person last year in Evanston, which was awful and boring as hell. If it wasn't for the booze I had before the game giving me a nice happy buzz, it would've been the worst thing ever.
The year before that, I was again at Michigan @ Northwestern. While the ending of the game became known for Gibbons' last second field goal scramble, sending it to OT, up until that point it was 9-6 in one of the worst games I'd ever seen in my life. In hindsight, it was just setting me up for the awfulness that was M00N.
In 2009, I was at Michigan @ Illinois when we failed on 1st and goal from the 2, and proceeded to throw away the rest of that season. I was in the 2nd row on the Michigan side of the field, and you could just see the spirit in the players die and their shoulders slump when Illinois marched it 99 yards to score on the ensuing drive.
I was also at Michigan @ Northwestern in 1996 when we lost on a last second field goal.
Maybe I just need to stop seeing Michigan whenever they come to Illinois.
|5 weeks 6 days ago||Great bakery in Morton Grove IL||
My boss brought in Paczkis from Maier's Bakery in Morton Grove IL. She brought all sorts (banana, apple cinnamon, strawberry, raspberry, nutella), and I am having a banana (with real banana pieces) and custard one right now, it is seriously incredible. The nutella ones are killer too. So, if you are looking for a place in the northern burbs of Chicago, that's a pretty good one. Line was over 45 minutes long though per my boss, and they close at 330.
|6 weeks 3 days ago||Agreed||
I thought speed racer was fun- a live action cartoon
|8 weeks 3 days ago||Slightly OT||
Also slightly late to the party, this was up yesterday.
|8 weeks 5 days ago||Charles Barkley||
He was a funny host for an athlete too. His sketch where he was beating up Barney while playing hoops was a classic.
|8 weeks 5 days ago||Thanks!||
I'm glad to help out and share my views, given that I am in the position of actually having been a SAM at UM. I'd like to think I've been just as vocal (see my posts in the other threads on this) as many on here, as I am deeply embarrased by these guys giving both my frat and my school a bad name.
|8 weeks 5 days ago||Back in my day||
(A decade ago, I graduated in Dec 2003), SAM was actually mostly midwest guys. The largest population was from Chicago, followed by Detroit, and then NY/NJ. The East Coast bro guys went into Zeta Beta Tau instead of SAM. But I have heard from friends and fellow alums that have encountered the current crop of SAMs at homecomings and such that they are Jersey Shore douchebros. I wouldn't have joined SAM with its current membership today.
|8 weeks 5 days ago||Might be a cousin||
but I don't recall ever meeting a Don Cohodes. My dad would've been involved in SAM at that time frame, but he didn't go to UM, he went to UI-Chicago. But I agree with you this current crop of SAMs should be suspended for a time, and their antics were way worse than anything you or I did as SAMs.
|8 weeks 5 days ago||Exactly||
I agree completely, and that is why I have been more than willing to weigh in here as a former SAM, and been willing to post emails I receive like this (though who knows if they'll keep sending them to me if they get word I posted this). The UM chapter needs to publicly boot out the members responsible for the damages, and I am disappointed that they have still not stated just how many were involved in the mayhem. Also, the fact that the other members didn't do anything to stop it also disappoints me. This means to me either one of two things: 1) the # of brothers doing the damages outnumbered the # of brothers not doing the damage, leading those not involved to be afraid to say anything, or 2) the brothers doing the damages were high-ranking members of the fraternity with seniority. If it was freshmen or sophomores, then the juniors and seniors in authority should have been able to put a stop to it if they had any leadership at all. That is why I am so disgusted with the chapter and am willing to publicly state so as a SAM alum from UM.
|8 weeks 5 days ago||not quite||
While that would have been fitting, given the tone of the email, the subject line was the far more apt "SAM at Michigan"
|8 weeks 5 days ago||I doubt||
that Alan expected it to get posted to mgoblog, but yeah, he should've assumed that it would get out. And if any current SAMs are on here (which there has to be at least one, I'd imagine), I'd love it if they weighed in too. And if any current or former SAMs are mad at me for posting this internal email, well they can hit me up on twitter to bitch if they want, but I frankly don't care if they are upset.
|8 weeks 5 days ago||Sigma Delta Tau||
SDT is the sorority that was at the resort with the bros from SAM
|8 weeks 5 days ago||I'd be surprised too||
if they booted the chapter for that, considering some of the other things that fraternities have been booted off campuses for both at UM and other schools. I definitely think that they should boot all members that were specifically responsible for the damages though. Those guys should not be in SAM.
|8 weeks 6 days ago||Don't remember||
I don't remember, unfortunately. It burned down the summer right before my freshman year. I pledged the house based on the frat promising us pledges that national was going to find us a house for soph year. That didn't materialize, and we had to sell that same story to the following year's pledges. Those kids were smarter than us, and we had a tiny pledge class. National yanked us around, and we ultimately folded. On the plus side, I instead lived with the girl that would become my wife for junior and senior year, instead of with a bunch of frat bros.
|8 weeks 6 days ago||Thus far silence||
I have not gotten any emails from either the chapter or the national SAM organizations pertaining to this incident, unless they were caught in my email's spam filter and automatically deleted. I'm actually disappointed that they have not sent out any sort of missive pertaining to this incident. I'm also not very active in the fraternity alum association, having distanced myself from national after they basically hosed our group of brothers. My dad, who used to be on the national executive board for SAM, also has distanced himself from the frat and he hasn't heard anything either. We're both still on their mailing list, but it's been total silence thus far.
In case you're curious, the reason that my dad and I pretty much have cut ties with the frat is because of the way they treated our group of members. Our house had burned down through no fault of our own (it was summer and we weren't there), and they would not help us to get a new house, despite all our best efforts to convince national to help. We wound up folding my sophomore year because of the fact that it's pretty hard to get pledges if you have no house. My senior year at UM, national decided to recolonize the fraternity, bought the new kids the house they have now, and didn't reach out to us in any way to see if we wanted to be involved in the relaunch. That ticked off my dad royally, and he immediately stopped sending them $ as an alum.
As to the SDTs, I doubt they did anything in terms of the damages, this strikes me as more something that the guys did. I am glad that all 6 frats and sororities are getting punished by their national organizations, but they all, SAM especially, need to take more steps to make this right than they have done so far.
|8 weeks 6 days ago||Prior, FYI||
Yes, in SAM terminology, prior = chapter president
|8 weeks 6 days ago||Communal punishment||
is extremely common in the world we live in. For example: in the military, the whole unit doing pushups because of one guy's mistake. Or the whole football team running wind sprints after one or a handful of players made a mistake. When I played HS football, whenever the defense sacked the QB in practice, the offensive line had to run a lap of the field. Is that fair to the 4 linemen who were blocking their guy when only one guy biffed? No, but that's the way it's done.
|9 weeks 3 days ago||RIP Mr Cub||
Ernie was a legend & a super nice guy. I met him once when I was a kid. I was at a game at Wrigley in the 80s, & before the game they had a veterans game with many retired players including Banks participating. Afterwards he went up into the stands to take his seat, which was coincidentally in the section I was in that day. Despite him getting swarmed by many autograph seekers, including myself, he was gracious & kind, signing things for all of us. I still have the score card he signed for me, framed & hanging on the wall of my office. He was a classy guy & will be missed by all in Wrigleyville. I hope he's playing 2 with Santo right now.