"I love it that Ivy League coaches are coming to our camp and Big Ten coaches are coming to our camp. South Florida is coming. We've got about 70 schools that are coming to our camp."
|2 weeks 5 days ago||Do your children know you can be a complete douche bag?||
Your picture and name are not you. Grow the fuck up already.
|2 weeks 6 days ago||god||
He's so ridiculous.
|2 weeks 6 days ago||makes the most final fours with fewest NBA first rounders||
Is something that seems ridiculous to me. Izzo gets great talent, can't develop each of them enough into an overachiever, and gets praise for making them underachieve into merely good college players ? Then you should also forget that the so called achievement ignores the fact that the team with multiple first round picks doesn't even make the final four.
|2 weeks 6 days ago||Doyle, Swanigan, Irvin, Levert and Walton||
|3 weeks 5 days ago||question||
is Aubrey Dawkins a top 3 pick for you then?
Also, who wins between your teams?
|3 weeks 5 days ago||funny how some people got upset that bigs committed recently.||
anyway, who wins between your teams?
|3 weeks 5 days ago||nice. now which teams wins between your two teams? and why||
briefly or not. Thanks.
[edit: I think we have the same first 5-6 picks. interesting. will digest more.]
|4 weeks 12 hours ago||Jaylen, if you care, I'm imagining the MADNESS||
fwiw, my favorite michigan highlights video. I don't know how to embed the video. Wish I did know.
|4 weeks 1 day ago||Brown has recognized his need to work on shooting||
no link. sorry.
|4 weeks 1 day ago||my take fwiw||
presumed starters are Walton, Levert, Irvin and Doyle. I think JB would likely get the last spot, but he'd have to actually beat out Dawkins, MAAR, Robinson, Chatman, Donnal, Wagner and DJ Wilson for that spot. Yikes, that's crazy competition. Subs crazy.
That starting five should be very good no matter if JB wins the spot or not.
[edit: DJ Wilson]
|4 weeks 1 day ago||like full court press agressive?||
or half-court press agressive?
|4 weeks 5 days ago||The timing is nice||
the day before MSU spring game with recruits. If Harbaugh intended this, he just might be a Grand Master in chess.
[edit: I'm thinking about chess vs. checkers from a gif posted on the first exposureU thread about the movie Training Day.]
|5 weeks 1 day ago||(the royal) we gotta wish him well either way||
good luck, Caris.
|5 weeks 1 day ago||So did trey burke||
|5 weeks 4 days ago||Thanks for sharing.||
I wouldn't have read this without your post. I don't intend to jack your thread, but your post reminded me of this older publication about coach.
|5 weeks 5 days ago||Congratulations on the offer, Big Country||
Welcome to Michigan. I'm glad you're with us.
|5 weeks 5 days ago||It seems to me that you want a linear progression||
In recruiting and the program's success. Shit unfortunately happens in many forms. Good thing we have a tremendous basketball coaching staff in charge and adapting to it all.
|5 weeks 6 days ago||Your making up the idea that Davis was anticipating offers.||
Wolv said only that other big coaches might offer. He also said coach B didn't want to take risk.
|5 weeks 6 days ago||I think you missed the point||
Davis is not the one waiting for something better to come along.
|5 weeks 6 days ago||Most recent highlights||
Show him dunking easily. No problems. Don't worry. Be happy.
|5 weeks 6 days ago||no. The track record of 2 big ten titles and nearly a third.||
An elite 8 game, a finals game and 6-7 NBA pros in 8 years.
|5 weeks 6 days ago||Aubrey could play guard||
Lavell Jordan will get them ready.
|5 weeks 6 days ago||Wagner Donnal and Wilson are not true bigs||
If they play center next season, it's by necessity. Those guys are stretch fours at most. Wagner might be a tall 3.
|5 weeks 6 days ago||Looks much leaner quicker and athletic||
With very good foot work and touch near the basket. Showing it against guys his own size too.
|5 weeks 6 days ago||We only have one true center on the roster||
Doyle. Big ten teams are regularly beating us on the boards.
I think coach B is going with big lineups long term. Teske or Davis backup doyle. Wilson, Wagner and Robinson play the 4 position. Rahkman and Walton play the pg position in 2016. Irvin, Aubrey and chatman play the 2 and 3 spots with Wagner or Robinson filling in as needed. The elite hs wings and guards will probably hold out until a year from now to commit to a school. If or when irvin or walton decide to leave early, Beilein can grab a guard or wing at that time more easily than finding a big man late. I think beilein knows he needs more size to win big championships.
|6 weeks 3 days ago||locks, bonafide, mcD AA, etc.||
Too many standards in this discussion. I started out simply saying really good talent has gone to msu. If you're the best in one of the 50 states, you're very talented. Izzo has had loads of talent. You haven't persuaded me he has done development that translates to reasonable success. We'll have to agree to disagree.
|6 weeks 3 days ago||I was talking development||
And Zach Randolph seems like he supports the notion that izzo doesn't develop big men. The guys who stay can't do well and the guy that gets away after a year does well. If Randolph stayed longer, izzo might have a case.
|6 weeks 4 days ago||17 hs all Americans, 13 mr. Basketball||
Paul Davis. Raymar Morgan. Delvon roe. Costello. Nix. Dawson. Torbert. 4 years for each. All Underachievement.
|6 weeks 4 days ago||Who are you referring to?||
I can't tell if your trying to say he hasn't had big man talent out of high school. I mean how many Mr. Basketball big men has he had? Was Costello? Nix? Those are two that quickly come to mind. Dawson is a big by definition, he plays the four. Tolbert?
Izzo has gotten plenty of talent. They clearly underachieve IMO.
|6 weeks 4 days ago||I can't think of anything that guarantees wins or championships||
short guys might guarantee losses though.
|6 weeks 4 days ago||no thanks||
I believe in Beilein's coaching and recruiting. We are just fine.
|6 weeks 4 days ago||In your opinion||
Who's better? Izzo or Billy Donovan?
|6 weeks 4 days ago||For all the great history of rebounding at msu under izzo||
Who is a front court player he actually developed into a good NBA player in 20 frigging years?
Draymond green? That's it? A second round pick who continued to develop under NBA coaches.
|6 weeks 4 days ago||old information on Robinson|
|6 weeks 4 days ago||tall lineup||
Rahkman, Levert, Irvin, Doyle and one more from Chatman, Wilson, Robinson, Dawkins.
I think Chatman will surprise because I saw late last season some signs of the game slowing down for him.
|6 weeks 4 days ago||Rahkman is 6-4||
Also could be a tall point guard
|6 weeks 4 days ago||Our roster next season has a lot of experience and height||
I really like our chances if guys can stay healthy.
Bigs: Doyle, Donnal, Wilson are 6-9
Efficient offense system in place.
|7 weeks 1 day ago||Exactly.||
Plus, Spike is having what looks to be significant surgery. Having seniors, especially in the B1G, is necessary, given the more physical defense (i.e. fouls) allowed and the lack of young teams. I think the conferences with the blue bloods, with their one and dones, tend to be younger teams from a high level view, but it seems in the B1G, we are always the youngest rotation of players.
I would take Caris.
|30 weeks 4 days ago||defense is at least above average||
And offense is terrible. Can someone kindly convince me that we are not msu from two years ago, because that belief has me wanting hoke to remain head coach.
|30 weeks 5 days ago||Dawson doesn't belong imo.||
He's had three years of being no better than third fiddle on his team. He cannot shoot the ball, so if he somehow becomes the man on izzo's team, I still cannot see him being a top 5 Big Ten player. He might not even be top 10 big ten player by the end of the season.
|1 year 1 week ago||Not buying the hype on dawson or valentine||
Getting assist production without proven scorers or seniors in Payne, Harris or Appling will be far more difficult with defenses focusing on denzel. Getting rebound production for dawson will be challenging for similar reasons. The pressure for them to be all around scorers will be high. Izzo's development or lack thereof will be showcased clearly either way.
|1 year 5 weeks ago||bravo||
I really enjoyed the audio-visual synchronization. Good job. Thanks.
|1 year 6 weeks ago||Biggest bust might be Tolbert||
I googled "Kevin Tolbert" which led me to KELVIN TORBERT. This article popped up
Quote: "Torbert was arguably the top high school player in the country (he won two such awards) and would have been a top 10-15 pick in the NBA Draft straight out of high school. He chose to go to MSU, and the rest is history. I know there are many basketball fans in Flint that still believe that choosing MSU was the kiss of death for Torbert’s NBA prospects."
|1 year 7 weeks ago||FANTASTIC footage||
Fantastic tribute. Thanks very much for sharing. It made my early Monday morning.
|1 year 7 weeks ago||Long post but||
Good stuff. The analysis is fresh and thorough. Thanks for sharing.
|1 year 7 weeks ago||I've cared about Michigan bball since long before izzo's era||
Izzo's always been insufferable. He is more so lately.
|1 year 8 weeks ago||And then we have our guy||
I like much more our guy.
|1 year 8 weeks ago||"For lent, I gave up talking about the officiating"||
Not as whiney as his usual self, Izzo still finds ways to complain about officiating, players (all of sudden Harris is not the best player in the league in his mind so he might need to return next year), twitter, and the wimpification of society as a whole.
|1 year 8 weeks ago||Thinking you really know someone from a message board||
Is seriously weird. Putting it out there that you think so is seriously wrong.
I don't agree with Tater on Webber, but you come across as a serious dikhead. I'm not kidding.
|1 year 10 weeks ago||No matter how the seeds play out||
I see Michigan going the furthest of any B1G team in the tournament. This loss will make the team play angrier. Go Blue.
|1 year 11 weeks ago||In your most likely scenario||
I think GR3 gets more time at the 3 spot.
Also, I cringe a little at our fan base putting out the expectation of national titles. It's great that we've arrived, but we should win one first before expecting any.
Also, I remember last year MSU coaches and players having press conferences after the season all but guaranteeing a national title with Payne, Harris and Appling returning. Could still happen, I suppose. I hope that Beilein and company never behave like Izzo and company.
Anyway, as Beilein says, "one game at a time" in this B1G league. And then, subs.
|1 year 11 weeks ago||whining izzo||
He is the person that is extremely annoying. His players are guilty by association.
Today izzo was complaining about society in general because he convinced himself that it is to blame for 4 year players each getting a bad NBA Draft reputation. Never mind the idea of a business wanting as much upside (i.e.a younger player) in regards to investing millions of dollars. Also, college basketball is a big business, as evidenced by izzo salary and benefits.
Dude is crazy about his whining about his job. He's just pissed he has a poor track record developing young talent.
|1 year 11 weeks ago||I ran into Courtney Sims||
at the IM building when the pick-up bball games were shut down so the MMBB team could have practice.
He was a bit too cool to my friendly hello, as a I recall. Not a big deal whatsoever.
Anyway, he was the most frustrating player to watch, because he'd have so many "soft" performances and then one tough one in a blue moon against a weak team.
My favorite player was Lester Abrams.
I have blocked out all detailed memories of the Ellerbe era, even though I remember watching every single game of the Ellerbe and Amaker eras. I also watched every game of the first 4 years of Beilein, but now I cannot catch every game.
I thank God for the mgoblogger that posts the games these days on youtube for me to catch up on later. Thank you, whoever you are.
|1 year 12 weeks ago||We should try to forget about MSU||
Desperate defense is desperate, but it's still defense within the rules (assuming no contact).
MSU will do well this post season. Will they win the BTT, or go to the FF or win the NCAA title? Who knows. I'd rather they not win a championship, but at this point, who should really care?
Yes, Izzo constantly acts like a whiney d-bag (I'm not making excuses, but . . . ). People outside of Michigan's fanbase seem to see at least some of that. OTOH, his team is still in 2nd place and could still win a share of the regular season title this year.
Next year? that msu team looks relatively tenuous, but TBD. All I know is 6 out of (m**f**g) 8. Let's go for 7 out of 9 when that next game arrives.
Michigan isn't going away anytime soon. If not this year, it looks like next year Michigan will send more first round picks to the NBA.
Recruits like Luke Kennard, Jalen Coleman and Jalen Brunson are probably seeing and noticing the tremendous improvements Michigan players and teams make each season.
That's a lot of writing to say something as simple as: Michigan is back under Beilein.
Let's take his lead and be classy, humble and appreciative for each win as they come. One game at a time. It's served us well to not be the entitled pricks that the rcmb fanbase shows itself to be.
|1 year 14 weeks ago||scouting opportunities baby||
Michigan can prepare for 4 days for Wisconsin while watching Wisconsin play Minn. on Thursday.
Michigan can prepare for MSU for 6 days while watching MSU play on Thursday, Sunday and Thursday.
Michigan not only survived a brutal schedule that doesn' t much easier at all, but it thrived. Lots of reasons to be confident as a team. I hope what THJ said recently rings true. GO BLUE.
|1 year 15 weeks ago||a full week||
without a game will help Beilein make the team get better. I still agree that it will be a grind, just not the same grind as other B1G teams that used up the "bye week."
|1 year 15 weeks ago||something to consider about scheduling||
Home court and timing.
I think both schedules shake out evenly the rest of the way. Michigan has the challenging games now, MSU later. The timing favors Michigan after the OSU game on Tuesday. That's why that game is so huge IMO.
|1 year 15 weeks ago||Happy birthday, Coach Beilein||
Thanks for representing my school with class. Good luck tonight.
|1 year 17 weeks ago||Gotta take care of home||
holding serve is key.
protecting the fort is must.
prevent the enemy from invading.
(somebody slap me please).
|1 year 17 weeks ago||Absolutely NO BREATHERS in the B1G||
I also have felt that after the last three games, Purdue can't possibly be a loss, but it's clear that no win (home or away) is all that easy if at all.
We barely escaped Nebraska with a win which was more difficult than playing at MSU according to the score, etc.
Hopefully the players are really following Coach Beilein's mantra of the next game is the only game that matters and each game is the same as any other one.
|1 year 17 weeks ago||thanks||
I thought about just writing that I had sex with Dawson's wife, but then jerkstore came to mind.
|1 year 17 weeks ago||Maybe he broke his hand practicing||
slapping the floor to play defense.
|1 year 17 weeks ago||CONFIDENCE||
Beilein's staff in the most recent episode of Inside Michigan basketball said that the players know they've earned the right to be confident even though they also are taught to respect each and every opponent.
MSU is very good, but Michigan should feel like it can get a win. Michigan has beaten three of the other top four teams in the B1G with two of those wins on the road (at MN and at Wisc).
MSU has only beaten one of the other top four teams (MN) in East Lansing in overtime.
|1 year 18 weeks ago||Iowa is my favorite to win the B1G||
ever so slightly ahead of Michigan and then a toss-up between Wisconsin and MSU. Izzo will have his team dialed in for Michigan, but I don't see us losing our home court to him. We might be able to steal one there. But first things first.
Tomorrow's game is HUGE. Go Blue, baby.
|1 year 18 weeks ago||Eh. Same thing was written here about THJ||
Stauskas works like crazy on his game. The pace of his improvement is impressive. I say he can be a first rounder either this year or as a junior, depending on how his improvement continues.
Let the chips fall where they may, and either way, it's great for Michigan. The future is bright for him and Michigan.
|1 year 19 weeks ago||Michigan's only-one game matchups for home = PSU & NW||
while the one-game matchups for the road are OSU and Illinois.
Last year we only got one game against Wisconsin on the road.
B1G scheduling seems to disfavor Michigan a lot lately. Wisconsin and others seem to get the better end of it too.
Will the B1G ever get to time when every team plays every other team twice?
|1 year 29 weeks ago||I'm not talking shit about hoops||
Hoops is poised to lead the B1G, but MIchigan still has to win big games this year. I think it will. Until then, Michigan is not the best in the conference. Top 4, for sure.
|1 year 29 weeks ago||why is the OP garbage?||
You can't be the best if you're too blind to see your weaknesses.
|1 year 29 weeks ago||OSU > MSU||
in basketball over the previous 4-5 years.
|1 year 29 weeks ago||head to head records||
over the last five years, OSU and Wisc. have beat us more (we haven't beaten them on the road in I can't remember how long). We are more on par with MSU in that regard. All three have outright conference titles over the last 5 years. Michigan does not . . . yet.
|1 year 29 weeks ago||To be the best, you've got to beat the best||
Hoke can talk about the goal being a championship, but he has to go through these teams to get there. He needs to instill a mentality of targeting them like they each target Michigan. Beilein is right there, but he needs, imo, an outright B1G title or a National title to solidfy his place toe-to-toe with those three programs.
|1 year 29 weeks ago||I believe the same about Dantonio||
"Meanwhile Dantonio will be graduating more than half of his starters and is at the pinnacle of what he could potentially achieve as the head coach of MSU. It may seem like MSU is headed forward while we are headed backward, but I believe the opposite to be true; we are on an upward trajectory and MSU has peaked." MSU has a perfect schedule this year in conference by avoiding OSU and Wisc. After this year, MSU's OL and defense will lose a lot, and I don't remember Dantonio getting much talent on OL and DL the last couple of years.
|1 year 29 weeks ago||this season so early at this point||
Last year, Beilein was better. Michigan won a NCAA regional championship (2 appearances in the FF last year too), but in the B1G, Indiana and Wisc won the conference titles. The year before, Beilein got a share of the B1G for us, tied along with OSU and MSU. In the last five years? It's MSU, OSU and Wisc. This season, so far, MSU has talent everywhere on the floor and the experience to back it up. Michigan only has the talent, and is lagging just a little on the experience. When the teams actually meet though, that may no longer matter. There is, to me, a ceiling on the experience(s) you can get, and the incoming sophomores have lots of experience for such a young group. Tomorrow and going forward, I like odds to favor Beilein and Matta (great recruiting continues) with Indiana, Wisc, and MSU trailing in that order. Izzo kind of screwed himself the last couple years striking out on all the flash, big-name recruits.
|1 year 33 weeks ago||"That'll probably pull Andrew Donnall towards the five . . . "||
Andrew Donnall is fine, but I prefer to call him Mark.
|1 year 42 weeks ago||walmart wolverine||
Right, little brother?
|1 year 42 weeks ago||Dantonio's record||
I think it's currently 4-2 because he lost to Lloyd Carr, Mike Hart, Chad Henne, et al.
|1 year 43 weeks ago||Physicalness||
God bless coach, but I cringe every time he uses this word when talking about football.
Physicality is a better choice.
|2 years 4 weeks ago||MSU will be very good, but so will Michigan||
So why should Michigan fans "be concerned"? The last time Michigan was blown out at MSU and played a close game at Crisler was in 2009-10. The results of the following season were more than favorable. And that doesn't even account for the upgrade in talent since those seasons. Here's the history:
2009-10 season (LOST at MSU 64-48, LOST at home to MSU 56-57)
In 2009-10, Lucas, Roe, Summers and Nix started against us in one of the two games. All four of them returned in 2010. That's 4 of 5 starters that returned to play us in 2010-11.
2010-11 season (WON at MSU 61-57, WON at home vs MSU 70-63)
Also, our starting lineups (starting true freshmen in CAPS) were the following:
2007-08: Coleman, Sims, Udoh, Manny, Grady and later it varied with Udoh, Sims and Manny staying starters.
2008-09: Merrit, Manny, STU, Sims, Shepherd and later Lee, Perry, Manny, NOVAK, Gibson
2009-10: Novak, Stu, Manny, Sims, Perry and later Novak, Stu, Manny, Sims, MORRIS
2010-11: SMOT, Morgan (RS freshman), Novak, Morris, HARDAWAY, and later Stu, Morgan (RS freshman), Novak, Morris, HARDAWAY
2011-12: Smot, Morgan (RS sophomore), Novak, BURKE, Hardaway and later Stu, Morgan (RS sophomore), Novak, BURKE, Hardaway
2012-13: Morgan (RS junior), ROBINSON, STAUSKAS, Hardaway, Burke and later MCGARY, ROBINSON, STAUSKAS, Hardaway, Burke
The returning sophomores that started as true freshmen are as follows:
In 2009, Michigan returned Stu Douglas and Zack Novak
In 2010, Michigan returned Darius Morris
In 2011, Michigan returned THJ and Evan Smotrycz
In 2012, Michigan returned Trey Burke.
In 2013, Michigan will return Nik Stauskas, GRIII, and MM.
I can't remember the last time 3 true freshmen starters returned. Maybe it was the Fab Five's second run? I think there are many reasons to not be concerned about MSU. Michigan will respect MSU's team as always. Michigan though will also be prepared to compete.
Most here agree that MSU will be very good next year. I think MSU will even be the B1G favorite. Michigan is not going to concede the title though or even give up much ground, if any at all.
If we are not concerned about MSU in 2013-14, why is that delusional?
|2 years 4 weeks ago||Uninformative||
Michigan's offense is not at all based on a player creating his own shot. Burke could do it when the team needed it, but it was usually with the shot clock winding down. THJ certainly didn't get to the hole based on his own moves dribbling the ball. He would get to the hoop on occassion after the ball moved around within the offense or off of a set pick or screen.
Beilein tweeks the offense each season to his personnel. Before Burke, the offense was based on the skills of Morris (a completely different PG than Burke). The last year and half, Beilein adjusted it to Burke's strength. I think you're kidding yourself if you think Beilein can't adjust the offense to all the different talent he will have next season.
Also, getting into the lane is not the same as "creating your own shot." Once a pick or screen is set, it's up to the player to read the defense and take what the defense gives him. You seem to be suggesting that Spike and Walton won't be able to get into the lane and draw the defense. If your fellow fans think this, you will be disappointed.
|2 years 4 weeks ago||"MSU *will be more diverse offensively"||
I expect Izzo to kill any possibility of having a creative offense. It's just not his style or ability.
Harris and maybe Payne will make his offense look good at moments, but it's not an offense to fear.
Michigan has a great opportunity to up its defense with the returning sophomores and Morgan/Horford in the paint. Zak Irvin has great length too. The ability of Spike or Walton to defend at the PG position will be huge.
|2 years 4 weeks ago||Appling is not terrible||
He is an above-average, PG. He is a very good guard. There's nothing terrible about his game.
|2 years 4 weeks ago||Good depth for 2013-14||
(PG) Valentine, Appling, Trice
(SG) Harris, Byrd, Ellis (frosh)
(PF) Payne, Kaminski ,Schilling (frosh)
(C) Costello, Gauna
Did I miss anyone?
|2 years 4 weeks ago||Nix||
on a good day could draw double teams. Problem for MSU was his good days were usually only against Michigan.
Next year will be interesting. MSU will be great on D again, but its offensive style of play has never impressed me. I expect the same next year.
|2 years 4 weeks ago||My favorite MM play||
Beauty of a no-look pass against a difficult Syracuse defense.
MSU will be slight favorite to win the B1G, but Indiana, Michigan and OSU aren't going anywhere with the recruits they got coming in. MSU otoh has a critical 2014 class to develop with 2013 being so underwhelming.
|2 years 4 weeks ago||You don't go out looking for a job dressed like that?||
You don't go out looking for a job dressed like that? On a weekday?
Answer: Brian's title
|2 years 5 weeks ago||different interpretation||
I thought Beilein was joking about Spike's recent hype from his performance in the championship game. It seemed to me he was asking if there was a scheduled date to announce Spike's declaration to go NBA or stay in school. Beilein said "dates" but then corrected himself by saying "there's no date?"
|2 years 5 weeks ago||defensive length!||
That lineup could definitely get stops. Word is that Irvin plays good defense.
Stauskas has good ball handling and if he takes that up a notch, I could see him playing the point if Walton is not ready to run things. Before Burke decided last year to stay, Stauskas was prepping himself for PG with ball handling drills (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i_keYLb0WhU )
Horford or Morgan
BENCH: Horford or Morgan, Beifeldt, Levert, Spike, Walton, Donnal
Maybe Donnal or Walton redshirt?
|2 years 5 weeks ago||thanks THJ||
you were a great leader this year
|2 years 5 weeks ago||Happy for him or happy for Michigan||
THJ's decision will make me happy.
Before he came to Michigan, Beilein had only taken the program to the NCAA tournament once in 2009. THJ as a freshman was a pleasant surprise and propelled us to an 8 seed. I would love to see him be the first senior to have serious playing time under Beilein.
|2 years 5 weeks ago||great idea and great effort||
My suggestion is putting more emphasis on bball than football, simply because Beilein has achieved more than Hoke so far. I know Hoke won't let that stand for too long though.
Maybe the hardwood block M instead of the 50 yard line?
|2 years 8 weeks ago||before football, it was a sci-fi war speech||
Bill Pullman, acting as the US president, says " . . . for it is the day when the world declared in one voice: 'We will not go quietly into the night, we will not vanish without a fight. We're going to live on; we're going to survive. Today, we celebrate our . . . ."
|2 years 9 weeks ago||Valenti trolling||
Was an obvious attempt to get ratings after VCU destroyed Akron. That game had no relevance on the game today against Michigan.
|2 years 10 weeks ago||it's close but I agree||
Craft is equal to or better than THJ.
Harris is not yet at their level.
|2 years 10 weeks ago||context||
definition: The circumstances that form the setting for an event, statement, or idea, and in terms of which it can be fully understood and assessed.
You can't pin blame on THJ for team statistics like team rebounding or team defense. Lapses by his younger teammates in these areas doesn't make THJ a worse rebounder or defender.
You can however pin blame on THJ if he himself is a poor rebounder or turns the ball over. For a 2 guard, he rebounds at a high rate. I don't think he turns the ball over very much; certainly he's improved from last year.
Contrast these ideas with the obvious fact that THJ is a leader on the team. The team's record is 25-6. I guess you can call a record a statistic, but context gives these statistics different weight in this particular discussion.
|2 years 10 weeks ago||Ekpe||
|2 years 10 weeks ago||so you want||
the youngest team to be great at rebounding while already being great on offense and not turning the ball over.
Yes, we all want a perfect team. Maybe we'll get it one day, but the program is still growing. It also helps when the top talent we get sticks around.
Imagine if Darius Morris and Ekpe Udoh (even Smot too) stuck around. Much more experience, much more depth. We probably win the B1G this year.
|2 years 10 weeks ago||totally agree||
Both teams are nearly equal (IU being better), but our best players literally had free opportunities at home to be the equal of IU. Michigan had its opportunity and didn't take it. IU doesn't get blown out all that often. Last year, yes; this year, not so much.
Hopefully Michigan learns from that loss and continues getting better.
|2 years 10 weeks ago||THJ is a guard||
at the 2 position.
He's rebounding at a high rate for his position. He's still a guard though . . . playing with young bigs.
|2 years 10 weeks ago||the excuse||
young legs; young minds. Yes, I agree we have now have athletes. But our young bigs (McGary, GRIII, Beifeldt and Horford) that play have such little experience that mental lapses result.
At this level, to win, you have to be solid at everything--at a high speed. These guys don't have enough experience to be solid at everything every night on instinct. It's like taking an exam. You study all the material and may know it, but if you can't recall the information out on reflex, you probably don't know it well enough to get the right answers in the allotted time. You might still pass, but you're not necessarily going to get an A grade.
If our young bigs have a great night rebounding, they still might miss a defensive rotations or miss making the right pass or fail to make the right read etc. When they do well in any of these other things, they might forget to find the right man to box out.
Just give the program time to keep growing. We should be patient.
We all want excellence now, but each team (except the disappointment of year 3) of Beilein's tenure has been getting better than the previous one. It's doing this despite our top shelf talent not sticking around to be upperclassmen.
|2 years 10 weeks ago||your criteria does not compute||
You're judging THJ based on team accomplishments? By that standard, Burke doesn't deserve POY.
You're now also suggesting that THJ can't rebound or defend sufficiently bc the team doesn't do either sufficiently? That's ridiculous. Again, the team plays many freshmen. THJ's individual abilities cannot make the freshmen grow up faster.
Correct me if I'm wrong, but the difference between first and fifth place is 2 or less games. It's so close, there are 4 top ten teams in the B1G tourney, which is unprecedented.
1st team B1G is about the best individual players (not the best success of the team of an individual player). Otherwise, Burke shouldn't be POY. Burke however is the best player in the league ...on a fifth place team, ranked #6 in the country.
I think Brian is more of a football guy than a bball guy. Maybe you too.
|2 years 10 weeks ago||I agree with your statement about favoring upperclass over frosh||
all things being equal.
I just disagree that THJ as a junior is equal to Harris as a freshman. THJ is much better.
|2 years 10 weeks ago||B1G coaches don't agree with you||
You seem to be missing my point: MSU has a senior and 2 juniors leading 2-3 freshmen. Michigan has Burke and THJ (Morgan missed too much time to insert here) leading 5 freshmen. To have similar records, THJ has to be the 2nd piece of arguably the best backcourt in the conference. The coaches probably thought as much.
Here's what they probably saw:
THJ is the second best scorer on a team that lacks elite-team defense. Without consistent scoring to make up that deficiency, Michigan obviously loses more. He can rebound and take the ball up the court in transition (which is how/when Michigan thrives). He also averages 4.5 rpg.
Upon further reflection, it's THJ or GRIII taking on the best player at positions 1-4 (note: only Indiana has its best player at the 5 arguably).
As for leadership,without THJ, the team loses at then #9 Minnesota (21pts on 7/8, 5 rebounds, 3 assists, 3 steals, 2 blocks, 6 turnovers).
In other big B1G games: @OSU, THJ had 12 pts, 5 rebs behind Burke's 15 and 4. @ Indiana, he had 18 points behind Burke's 25.
THJ was huge in the game on 2/5 vs. OSU scoring 23 pts. when the freshmen couldn't get it going. He hit a career-high six three pointers that night. Stauskas hasn't done that despite his talent from deep. @Wisconsin, THJ had 18pts, 4 rebs, 3 assists to Burke's 19pts, 5rebs, 4 assists, 2 steals.
In fairness, he did not show up at all @MSU. But only Burke did.
Against MSU at home, THJ was the only player besides Burke to have an assist; THJ had 2 and Burke had 10. THJ also led the team in rebounds in that game with 7 alongside Morgan's 7 rebounds. His shooting % was not great in getting 6 points though.
After Burke's leading stat line @Purdue, THJ had 16pts, 5 rebs, 1 assist, 1 steal to Stauskas's 17 pts, 1 reb, 1 assist 1 steal.
@PSU, THJ and Burke led the team. THJ had 19 pts, 7 rebs, 3 assists, 1 block and 2 TOs to Burke's 18 pts, 2 rebs, 6 assists, 1 steal, and 6 TOs.
Home vs. Indiana, THJ and GRIII had similar stat lines behind Burke's leading stat line.
He was Two-time Big Ten Player of the Week (Nov. 12, Jan. 21) ... Starting all 25 games played. Only Burke surpassed this number of B1G player-of-the-week award, winning it 3 times.
THJ is the second best player on a 25-6 team, one with the youngest rotation in the B1G--the best conference in the NCAA. It's arguably the best season of B1G teams in the history of the conference too.
All due respect: your comment seems like a broad opinion without much to back it up. Some fans are never satisfied with a player's great season.
|2 years 10 weeks ago||THJ is an upperclassman on one of the youngest teams in NCAA||
Yeah--he has similar numbers as Gary Harris, but THJ has to guard the best option in the backcourt of the opposing team or guard the best 1-2 options overall on the opposing team.
He also has to bring it consistently, because his teammates that are freshmen often play like that, like freshmen.
He has to bring rebounding too, because if not, Michigan weakness at rebounding becomes glaring. With 5 freshmen in the main rotation, THJ has to go get that ball over the bigs on MSU, IU, OSU, MN, etc. This is moreso during the injury of Morgan. Basically, THJ has to lead Michigan along with Burke.
Harris did not have the obligation to lead this season, b/c MSU has experience. The experienced bigs on MSU can also block out the opposing bigs more effectively than Michigan's bigs, so Harris doesn't have the same onus on him as THJ to rebound or defend. Harris plays with the following rotation of upperclassmen: Appling, Payne, Nix.
So the numbers may be similar, but THJ has to play better for Michigan to have a similar record as MSU.
That's how I see the comparison, fwiw.
|2 years 11 weeks ago||recent HBO film||
Mea Maxima Culpa
It's a documentary, but it's very revealing and shocking--to the point of being almost unbelievable.
|2 years 11 weeks ago||**intellect||
|2 years 13 weeks ago||Derrick Nix gives maryjane a bad name||
if you don't like my fire, then don't come around . . .
|2 years 15 weeks ago||Replay the game @ 16:03 left in the 2nd half on (espn3.com)||
@16:13, Michigan is down by 2 pts. and rebounds a missed jumpshot by Wisconsin. THJ has the ball in transition with Stauskas arriving at the bottom corner spotting up for a 3 ball. THJ makes the pass and Stauskas shoots the ball with a defender flying past him. Stauskas shoots it short, but follows his shot (note: good fundamentals on the play) for the rebound. Stauskas get the rebound and takes a dribble to go strong to the hoop. As he dribbles, Wisconsin's guard (jersey # 1) falls to the ground in front of Stauskas, not only tripping Stauskas but hitting the ball as it is near the ground on Stauskas's dribble. The ball's natural momentum is completely altered by the Wisconsin body and makes a direct line out of bounds. What is so insanely frustrating is the position of the referee.
He's on the baseline looking at the play the whole time. He doesn't call the foul against Wisky for tripping (from not boxing Stauskas out). Not only that, but he calls it out of bounds on Stauskas!!!!
It makes absolutely no sense. What was the ref seeing?!? How can I not assume incompetence or blatant bias on the ref (rhetorical question)?
|2 years 15 weeks ago||B1G refs are so bad (even when Michigan is the beneficiary)||
I notice this in every game I watch. In today's game Michigan was getting bad calls that were crazy obvious.
There was a ball midway through the 2nd half on michigan s side of the court that went out of bounds clearly off the foot of a wisky player (there was no player near the Wisky player on the ground when the ball hit his foot and rolled out of bounds at Michigan's offensive baseline) that the ref called out on michigan. It s that bs that is ridiculous.
I can live with close calls, but blatant ineptitude (or bias) by the refs is complete bullshit.
|2 years 15 weeks ago||synopsis||
"Bottom line: Michigan deserves to be praised for performing like a Top 10 team this year. But the Wolverines have exceeded expectations to accomplish that. The freshmen have performed above and beyond all expectations. And Trey Burke has improved tremendously from last season. Michigan’s defense still isn’t quite Top 10 caliber. But for a group this young to have the #1 offense in the nation is truly an accomplishment."
|2 years 16 weeks ago||Coach Norman Dale says||
"Hold it (stops his team's passing drill). Let's be clear about what we're after here . . . Five players on the floor functioning as one single unit: team, team, team - no one more important than the other."
The Fab Five had better and more talented individual players. Coaching matters too though. I think history will suggest that the '12-'13--if it wins a championship--was a better team.
I also think the '89 team was a better team than the Fab Five, because it won at least one championship. The cause may be because the '89 team had upperclassman. Still, despite five freshmen starting, the Fab Five had better individual talent and players.
|2 years 16 weeks ago||lurking webber||
would probably also bite on trying to get unnecessary blocks, With Webber in the air, Burke would dish it off to a big man, a cutting GRIII or THJ, or a poised Stauskas on the perimeter. The ball moves around much better with the current team.
Also, discipline was a weakness of the Fab Five. Discipline is a strength of the current team. Mental toughness is a strength of the '12-'13 team according to Jimmy King quoted in the freep today.
|2 years 16 weeks ago||some arguments for '12-13 team, against 92'-'93 team||
Main guy: Burke (a B1G champion already) vs. Webber (never a champion after high school)
Competition: the current B1G is stronger than it's ever been (according to the most experienced B1G coaches).
To be fair though, the current team hasn't won anything yet; not the regular B1G title, the B1G tournament title, or the National title. To compare, the Fab Five made it to the NCAA Finals; the talent of each individual player was off the charts. But it's still a team game, and I personally don't count a trip to the Final Four as actually winning something (but I'm sure some do on here).
I think Burke is a winner; an overachiever. Webber--with all his insane talent (some NBA players have stated that he had the most God-given talent after Michael Jordan)--never proved a winner; he underachieved with regard to the teams he led. Assuming Burke wins at least one championship this year, I think this team gets the slight nod.
|2 years 17 weeks ago||adding to my citations||
is Brian's opinion today titled "Whiplash."
"On January 27th of 2012, Michigan was 6-2 in the Big Ten, albeit barely. Their last three conference wins had come by a total of five points, and they'd just dropped a game to SEC mediocrity Arkansas. At 16-5 it was clear they were destined for the tourney, but no one expected to storm through upcoming away games at Ohio State and Michigan State. Michigan didn't, but then again it was their best season since… well, that's complicated." (emphasis of mine added).
Even though we were going to be a tournament team, the enthusiasm for the basketball team wasn't entirely there even a year ago. Fans weren't really excited about Michigan until it had its sights on winning a share of the regular season title in mid-February 2012. Then the loss at home to Purdue brought out boo birds, because it looked like we lost our shot at the title. I admit, I'm not talking about booing at Crisler Arena, but the fanbase is much much larger than the attendees of any given game.
It seemed that in January 2012, people didn't like Morgan's development as a big man, and people felt we didn't have enough depth in the frontcourt and backcourt--five years into the Beilein's tenure.
I think we both agree to disagree on when exactly the naysayers shut up.
I think we can both agree that we're proud of Michigan today (I salute your fandom and hope the good times continue to roll). It's a good day to be a Michigan wolverine.
|2 years 17 weeks ago||Michigan fans expect excellence||
It's a core value of the school, so I think that's a normal expectation for the school. When the team is losing, very few follow it. Before this season, Beilein had 2 losing seasons out his five at Michigan. When you're not following college basketball, because your team is not good, you don't see the development occurring week to week.
So the question seems to be: At what point do they see the moment of winning and realize that excellence is occurring rather than flukes? I think those articles are pretty good indicators. Why would someone for his or her job write about something that has no basis in reality?
|2 years 17 weeks ago||I get what you're saying||
but to call it one (or even a few) fan seems to try to paint our fanbase as something better than it was. Like another mgoblogger commented, it's easy to cheer this team when it's #1 in the country, and it's probably just as easy to say that you supported Coach B long before this season. It seems the biggest moment was 2 years ago, sometime in January 2011.
In january we saw beilein win in East Lansing. In November of that year, Mitch McGary verbally comitted to Michigan.
Here are some articles I've been reading on Beilein and his program:
January 28, 2011
The criticisms of Beilein's system and ability were many. He's debunked many or all of them and continues to improve himself and his team.
|2 years 17 weeks ago||I think there were boo birds even last year||
We lost some conference games in a row, and people were calling for Beilein's ouster. At that point, he had only made the tourney 2 out of four years and people were saying he got lucky with Darius Morris and Trey Burke. The loss to Groce's Ohio (the MAC ohio) also brought out the Beilein boos.
I will agree that the booing has decreased in volume since the 2010 year having a record of 15-17 with Manny Harris a junior and Deshawn Sims a senior.
|2 years 17 weeks ago||bravo, sir.||
I took whatever enjoyment I could from those eras, knowing that Ellerbe was terrible at teaching the game and at recruiting.
Amaker brought recruiting, but Courtney Sims was the best example of why Amaker was not a great coach. No offense to either person, but Amaker didn't teach the game very well.
Sims (also Daniel Horton, Dion Harris, Lester Abram, etc.) had so many physical gifts, but did so little with them. He drove me nuts with how soft and turnover-prone he was for someone at 6'10+. When Beilein developed DeShawn Sims into an undersized big men with many post moves, I knew that he could do what Amaker couldn't: teach the right way to play the game. That's why I thought it was a mistake by Udoh Ekpe to leave the program.
Among other things, Beilein also focused on retaining possession of the ball and shooting with proper technique.
I'm happy for the program that it is finally reaping the benefits of so much work done to dig itself out of the hole that Ed Martin built.
The game of basketball is so beautiful when its played the right way. Thanks to Coach B and his staff and players! This year is so fun to watch.
|2 years 17 weeks ago||You forgot about Stauskas||
|2 years 19 weeks ago||assumptions on tiers||
My assumptions have flaws, because we don't know enough about how the teams rank out relative to each other this early in the B1G season. Nevertheless, I thought I could get a gauge of the teams by looking at their performances in/out of conference.
At first I thought of creating only two tiers, but I thought that equating Wisconsin to Indiana (for example was too much of a stretch). I thought four tiers worked out better, and so I placed teams into their tiers by considering their schedules in/out of conference as well as their losses.
Indiana, Minnesota and Michigan don't have very many losses and none of those losses were per se bad losses (losing at OSU by 3 is not a bad loss IMO). Minnesota lost to Duke and Indiana, and I think they played them pretty close (although like Michigan vs. OSU, Minnesota fell behind by a large deficit early to Indiana, only to fight back in a tough venue). Indiana losing only to Butler in a close game is ultimately one loss, even if it was to Butler. Overall, based on watching these teams play, they look like very strong teams.
I put OSU, MSU and Wisconsin in the second tier because of losses they've each suffered and also because of noticeable flaws in their production. OSU has limited scoring options but a great defense. Before beating Michigan, OSU hadn't won a game against a ranked opponent; beating Michigan at OSU is solid, but I don't think OSU can perform offensively the rest of the season with any consistency like it did in the opening 10-15 minutes against Michigan. I think if Michigan's young players had more road experience, the team probably would have beaten OSU had they met later in the season. Anyway, OSU also had a bad loss to a slightly above average Illinois. MSU has flaws with consistenly turning over the ball; also, MSU has been a bit lucky facing Iowa without its leading scorer and Nebraska without one of its leading rebounders/scorers. Despite that luck, MSU hasn't exactly blown those teams out on the road and at home respectively. MSU also has losses to Miami (ACC challenge) and to Connecticut; it's only good win is Kansas. Lastly (re tier 2) I described above why I put Wisconsin in tier 2; while beating Illinois soundly in Madison is good, how good is Illinois really? No really good wins for WI even if it is unbeaten in the conference so far; WI has some questionable (to say the least) losses.
Illinois, Purdue and Iowa look well-coached, but I think they might lack the horses (i.e. talent) that the teams in the top two tiers have. They will still be tough teams to beat because they're talent isn't that wholly deficient. It's worth noting that Iowa and Illinois have at least somewhat new coaches still implementing their systems. In contrast, Purdue has its system set with coach Painter, but its talent has dropped off a bit since Hummel and Co. (I forgot the names of the other studs in his class) left.
The bottom tier does seem to wholly lack talent relative to the top tiers; much of this has to do with injury (NW and PSU) it seems.
I do think that a strong case can be made that there isn't much separation between the top six teams; that is why I did the second analysis in which the baseline value of the two tiers are separated by only a value of one rather than two (as in the first analysis).
Finally, the major flaw I see in the scoring of the bottom tier is this: giving those teams a baseline value of 2 implies that meeting them at their home venue makes them 50% more difficult to beat (i.e. a jump from baseline value of 2 to a score of 3); I think that places too much value on them playing in their home venues. Similarly, those teams don't become 50% less of a challenge (i.e. a jump from a baseline value of 2 to 1) by merely having to leave their home venues.
Anyway, I thought it was a decent attempt at analyzing the data. I don't have more time to make the analyses more accurate, but I thought it was worth putting the data out there with my limited analyses. Also, I hope it's clear that I added up the scoring of the once-played games for each team such that the addition created a number value; a lower value for that number suggested to me that the schedule was more difficult than that of a team with a higher value for that number.
Thanks for taking an interest. Unfortunately, I don't think I can add much more to the discussion any time soon, because I got deadlines to meet outside of mgoblog. I have to save my free time to watch as many B1G games as I can, because I don't remember ever seeing the league as strong as it is this year.
|2 years 19 weeks ago||Hardaway might stay||
Kinda like Lewan. He has a chance to be great if he keeps getting better.
|2 years 20 weeks ago||I think people are concerned with the strong frontcourt of MN||
This seems to be the most obvious weakness defensively for our team. If Horford were 100%, I'd be much more comfortable going to The Barn.
Fwiw, we don't get a return game with the gophers at Crisler. I'm not sure if this is bad or good. Playing them once is a plus, but not getting them at home is a minus.
|2 years 20 weeks ago||I think people are concerned not with redundant posts||
double post (redundant).
|2 years 20 weeks ago||you might want to rethink that Burke comparison||
Iverson, Isiah Thomas? How about Magic Johnson?
According to Umhoops.com, no big ten player--until Trey Burke thus far--has averaged 17 points and 7 assists.
I'm not saying he's as good as Magic, but to even be mentioned in comparison to such a legend is pretty impressive.
(note: umhoops was relaying the statistic from Dave Revsine)
|2 years 20 weeks ago||so many weapons, it's ridiculous!||
13 minutes into the game, Michigan had 17 points. That is just above 1 point per minute.
During the remaining 27 minutes, Michigan scored 78 points. That is insane; that is almost 3 points per minute!
|2 years 20 weeks ago||telling people what others think||
is the best example of stupidity. Also abnormal psychosis. Seriously, you belong on the rcmb. I can watch you meltdown there where it's normal to do so. Stupidity doesn't have a worthwhile place in these parts.
Watching rcmb meltdown at Michigan success is like watching Jerry Springer or a car wreck. Trolling is making comments on rcmb or pushing the victims back in the car. I don't post, I just watch. Watching your schtick is a very similar experience. Carry on, internet wolverine.
|2 years 20 weeks ago||ah, but that's my point||
I've read your schtick on here so much, that I'm enjoying my free time wasting your time. I can't do this all the time, as you can see by how less frequently I post than you do, defender of izzo. I happened to be on vacation when your stupid position on Beilein compelled me to be defender of Beilein. See you in a March when Beilein is undefeated and still a great coach. Better than izzo, you internet tool.
|2 years 20 weeks ago||Facts and Opinions||
We both know I've stated numerous facts regarding the accomplishments of Beilein at 4-5 different programs (I've also stated that Izzo is a good coach that is overrated). Beilein's success also includes few tournament runs in there for each program he coached relative to its stature. I don't repeat the rest of his accomplishments here in this thread, because I did so in the previous thread, and guess what: I could not care less what, if any, silly perception is inferred via the internet. Do you know what's reality? The fact that you do care how your avatar persona is perceived in this venue. I think you're the one should seek help, troll.
The evidence: (i) the number of posts and points you have; (ii) the frequency with which you post on this site (I read it much more than I write on it); (iii) the fact that you continue to respond to my alleged flamebait; and likely (iv) the fact that you probably searched me to determine my previous content created.
I care so little about you that I'm watching postgame video interviews from Michigan players and coachs and enjoying the meltdown at RCMB from afar everytime Beilein and Co. go hunting. I'm also vaporizing. So it's all good times as you keep trying to tell me my thoughts. That's your opinion. I keep giving you facts. You keep obsessing, little defender of Izzo.
|2 years 20 weeks ago||Stauskas, GRIII, THJ, Levert, Spike, Horford, Beifeldt, Burke||
and Morgan were all lightly recruited before Beilein got them to verbally commit.
McGary was the only one with a plurality of big time offers before he committed.
Programs caught on to Derrick Walton, Zak Irvin and Mark Donnal too late in the game. See a trend? Something tells me Austin Hatch would be top 100 but for his tragic accident.
You have no credibility when it comes to bball IQ. You took a bad position on Beilein:Izzo. You said it was stupid for anyone to think Beilein is better than Izzo. The fact that it's debatable makes your position stupid. Learn to back down sometimes. It can be useful in life.
|2 years 20 weeks ago||It's called efficiency||
It takes me 100 words to make 5-10 arguments. It takes you 100 words to make one point.
Your writing is all over the place, so I responded in three parts so you could digest my arguments more easily. You seem a little slow.
I remember you, because stupidity is a rarity around these parts. You seem very slow. Go hang out at RCMB, defender of izzo.
|2 years 20 weeks ago||I never gave THE reason Beilein is great||
I have MANY reasons why he is a great coach. Reading comprehension is fundamental. Also, when writing, less is more. I tried to teach you that lesson last time. Get some sleep and you might retain information better.
|2 years 20 weeks ago||defender of izzo||
says that a great coach can't be better than izzo.
You don't seem to realize that determining who is better is a subjective endeavor. It's not objective.
Also, there are far more data points than this game that show that Beilein is a great coach. He has built up 4-5 different programs successfully. Izzo inherited the one he still coaches. Beilein is better. Just accept the opinion and deal with it.
Your taunting is cute too. Now off to bed, little defender of izzo.
|2 years 20 weeks ago||Is it ok yet to think that Beilein is an outstanding coach???||
recruits lots of players many programs didn't want and creates a team that is tremendously fun to watch . . .
but the "m-wolverine criteria" says that this game is not a data point to be used in concluding that Beilein is a great coach . . . only final fours and national championships count.
Before m-wolverine's insights, I was sure Beilein was a great coach, but now I'm not so sure (/s).
|2 years 20 weeks ago||uh, no offense, but canadian bacon sucks||
otoh stauskas does not. He is very good.
so is regular bacon.
|2 years 20 weeks ago||M-Wolverine will argue||
that "all that matters is final fours and national titles. That's all anyone cares about. Without those, you can't be a great coach like the great tom izzo. So let's all cool it on calling Coach Beilein a great coach until he gets Michigan out of the first weekend."
Meanwhile, College insider says:
"Any conversation about the best coaches in college basketball should include the name "John Beilein""
Before finding m-wolverine on mgoblog, I was pretty sure Beilein was a great coach. Now, I'm not so sure . . . ( /s)
|2 years 21 weeks ago||there's a big difference between us that you fail to recognize||
I'm stating facts about both Izzo and Beilein to support my belief that Beilein is a better coach. I'm also using those facts to show that the belief is credible.
In contrast, you're stating different facts and telling others what is acceptable to believe.
I've not stated that Izzo is a bad coach. He is a good coach. I haven't seen any comment here stating otherwise. I merely state with my comments that I believe Beilein is a better coach. You can't win this argument no matter how much you want to.
Another difference between us is my preference for brevity that you seem to lack. With words, less is more.
|2 years 21 weeks ago||there's a big difference between us that you fail to recognize||
double post; redundant.
|2 years 21 weeks ago||you're "that guy" aren't you?||
the guy who tells people what they should believe. People tell him what they really believe, and the guy refuses to be wrong and continues trying to convince people that what they believe is actually wrong--"in fact."
Here, you basically tell me to follow the "non-arbitrary" bar set (by whom?) talking heads on ESPN or wherever.
You then write far too many words to argue that it's all about the # of times a coach wins and whether he wins championships.
Yet strangely enough, here you post on mgoblog praising Coach Beilein for win #650 as a head coach: http://mgoblog.com/mgoboard/congratulations-coach-beilein-win-650
Somewhere in there I'm sure it's stated that he won a B1G title in his short time as Michigan's head coach. In comparison, Izzo as a head coach has 422 wins.
So is it credible and ok for me to believe Beilein is a better coach than Izzo before Beilein at Michigan gets out of the first weekend? Incidentally, he did this already at WVU. He also has the record for most programs taken to the NCAA tournament.
Rationalize your way out of that one so that you can once again "not be wrong." You can't resist, because you're "that guy."
|2 years 21 weeks ago||17 minutes/game||
as one of the best defenders on a team that does well only two things: defense and rebounding.
Yeah, I'd say his loss is significant.
|2 years 21 weeks ago||that is a lot of talent for Izzo and yet||
what happens to these players when it's time to leave MSU???
The reality is that teaching defense and rebounding used to be enough as a tournament strategy for college basketball. Now, I'm not so sure that's enough.
Moreover, players want success at college and the next level. The problem for MSU is that elite programs do more than successfully teach only defense/rebounding (note: Kearney was one of the better defenders MSU had). Scoring and ball handling and bball-IQ are big parts of playing at the next level.
There are a lot of freshmen in the backcourt for MSU that have to guard Burke and THJ and Co. I can't wait to watch those games.
|2 years 21 weeks ago||he's not||
as great as advertised.
As advertised, he can turn a JV high school team into a F4 team just by losing in the nonconference. No other coach has this magical ability. /s
|2 years 21 weeks ago||how about this: believing..||
...Beilein is better than Izzo is more than credible. You're arbitrary bar of the first weekend is useless. Beilein has proven his chops before Michigan and at Michigan.
Izzo coaches a good strategy for tournaments. That does not mean he efficiently or fully develops the individual talent he recruits. That does not mean he is a great regular season coach. That does not mean he handles refs with class or character. That does not mean he handles his players' with class or character. That does not mean he handles the media with class or character.
Izzo is great at advancing deep into the tournament. He has one national championship. Good for him. I heard it takes some luck to win one of those.
Beilein is winner, a better man, a better coach. If you understand basketball, you can see it in the way his teams play. And that is not just in regards to this year's highly ranked team.
|2 years 21 weeks ago||the game||
is out there. It's either play or get played.
|2 years 21 weeks ago||Beilein is just a better man||
much less than a better coach. When a player transfers away from Michigan (because he obviously feels that is the best decision for his life), Coach Beilein publicly wishes him well.
Izzo on the other hand cannot ever get tired of hearing his own voice. Though he similarly wishes Kearney well, he also calls his transfer a "strange decision."
Sorry, but the word "strange" can't take on anything remotely positive in that context. Izzo seems like such a narcisistic crybaby.
It's hilarious that so many fans treat him like a god, because he is not nearly as good as advertised.
|2 years 21 weeks ago||Hard to believe||
Michigan leads the league in turnovers per game. Any numbers broken down to back that claim? Or do you mean turnovers forced?
|2 years 24 weeks ago||if Coach Beilein gets anywhere near Fisher's succes at 82 losses||
that's also very impressive considering the opposite situations they each inherited re state of the program.
|2 years 24 weeks ago||idk, but it seems like just a snapshot||
This season may be over before Beilein loses 6 more times. When that does eventually happen, I have strong feeling Beilein will have many more wins than Amaker had w his 83 losses.
|2 years 24 weeks ago||shout out to Brian||
for recognizing Horford's contributions, especially the ones that indeed did not make the stat box.
|2 years 24 weeks ago||it also describes every team under Beilein at Michigan||
except this one.
|2 years 24 weeks ago||false||
we're going to need him to step up at some point this season. Vogrich is a senior who has put a lot of time in.
Freshmen are still freshmen and may not have the correct mindset early on in the big moments.
|2 years 24 weeks ago||I like Jason Hanson||
automatic for 3.
|2 years 24 weeks ago||aka "Jason Hanson"?||
automatic for 3.
Today he was 3/4. That's about right.
|2 years 24 weeks ago||repeat comment. Disregard please.||
repeat comment. Disregard please.
|2 years 24 weeks ago||maybe, but||
would you trade GRIII for Dawson?
I like GRIII as a shooter better than Dawson. Plus, I think GRIII being younger gives him more of a ceiling.
|2 years 24 weeks ago||I like his game, but||
my question remains : who would I trade for Harris? Trey? nope. THJ, maybe; but I like the improvements THJ has made, plus THJ has more maturity/experience.
Would I trade Nik Stauskas? That's a close call, but again, no. I like what Stauskas brings b/c it adds versatility to the group of guards we have. I don't see Harris bringing that unless you trade him for THJ.
|2 years 24 weeks ago||w/o||
Morgan, Novak would have been playing the center position instead of power forward. Without him, Michigan probably doesn't win the B1G or make the tournament. I think there's a good argument for Jordan Morgan
|2 years 25 weeks ago||good game Michigan||
good road win against a team that showed up tonight.
|2 years 25 weeks ago||John Shurna for Northwestern||
imo, he's a great recent B1G player. His game reminds me of Stauskas, except Nik has a higher ceiling it seems.
|2 years 25 weeks ago||supposedly he worked on his shot all summer||
so his %s will either go up, or the shooting mechanics taught at msu are subject to some scrutiny.
[edit: re Keith Appling PG]
|2 years 25 weeks ago||credit to Izzo but caveat too||
he's owned recruiting in the state since after Michigan got in trouble (note: it's like Michigan has owned the state in football until recently; but re Izzo it's for worse reasons, bc msu football had no punishment in football to put it at a disadvantage). Michigan is back to recruiting at those same levels now, where making the first round is somewhat expected. Msu really needs to get Jabari Parker for 2013 or risk having zero players for 2013.
I love to watch college basketball and played in organized games into my 30s. It's an awesome game; and I've watched Michigan (and kept up with msu) since the mid 80s. I just don't think Izzo coaches a game that develops players very well individually over 4 years. He does coach well in tournament settings though.
I've said it in previous years too: I think Beilein is a better coach, but only time will tell.
His recruiting is also surpassing what Amaker did (which was very good in its own right) notwithstanding it being an issue raised by his early critics.
|2 years 25 weeks ago||I was rooting for them for the B1G||
but saying I'm not sad is an understatement too.
|2 years 25 weeks ago||idk, man||
Indiana looks exceptional (like Michigan) right now, especially Zeller.
|2 years 25 weeks ago||He is the best freshman to date? not a wrong statement.||
But I think all four of GRIII (big dog II), Nik (I hope he kills/snipes against state so I can call him The Green Arrow), McGary and Levert have high ceilings. Spike is solid in his game, but his strength is mental more than anything else; I could see him being an assistant coach under Beilein down the road. Anyway, I digressed. I just think it's too early to say who will be best.
fwiw, this is coming from a guy who also thinks Horford has the genetics and coaching to be a pro someday too.
|2 years 25 weeks ago||you're right about JT||
There were so many boybands at that time, I got confused.
Also, my bieber comment above was meant to be sarcastic, but I don't express that intent well on the internet. my bad.
I'm a huge fan of Stauskus. I honestly was excited more about his arrival to Michigan than I was about those of the other four guys. I think it's because he was a bit of a sleeper on peoples' radars.
Good luck to them all as the season continues undeafeated.
|2 years 25 weeks ago||backstreet boys||
I think I was in college when justin timberlake was with the backstreet boys, and I never would have imagined I'd listen to him as a solo artist. It did take him some years of going at it as a solo artist for me to come around to his music. Today, I think he's good.
Now as for justin beiber . . . NO WAY!!!
|2 years 26 weeks ago||look a little closer maybe||
In 5 games, Michigan has played 2 teams with comparable talent in its most recent games. During the first 3 games, it would be difficult to find fault with any player's game when Michigan wins by an average of 30 points to start the season 3-0.
In the fourth game against Pitt however, Trey Burke shot 31% (5-16) from the field in 38 minutes of play; he was 5 for 12 on 2-pt shots and 0-4 on 3-pt shots. A number of those shots were poor shot selection. His 6-assists-to-1-turnover rate was the highlight for him that game.
In tonight's game against K-state, Burke shot a better % (approx. 50%) from the field, but he often took contested shots, especially from 3-pt land from which he was 0-2. I can also remember a play in which he drove into the lane where 3-4 purple jerseys had collapsed; he put up a shot (that did not even hit the rim and therefore no chance of getting rebounded) that had no chance and might have even gotten blocked. There were definitely Michigan players ready to shoot if he would have made the extra pass. On this play, he may even have been marked for a turnover. He had 5 turnovers and 4 assists in 32 minutes of play.
Let's also not forget that he broke a team rule and had to sit out the first exhibition game.
It is early in the season, so I'm not at any level of worry yet. I'll just say Burke is catching my attention so far for wrong reasons more than right ones.
|2 years 26 weeks ago||THJ = 5-game season MVP||
he may have slumped a bit his sophomore year, but he's really been backing up his offseason-draymond-green talk pretty well so far. Burke, however, seems to be slumping a bit this year.
IMO, Burke needs to stop trying so much to make plays by himself. If a freshman like Stauskus doesn't correctly make the extra pass, I gotta give him a pass; but Trey Burke has way too much experience to not correctly make the extra pass. If he's thinking about his draft prospects, Michigan will still do well this season, but it will also underachieve.
|2 years 29 weeks ago||so long as||
we never call our home field "the woodshed."
And even then, don't publicly brag about it. That might not be smart.
|2 years 29 weeks ago||is this an orignial thought?||
sparty lost b/c on some level they realize that beating Nebraska would have helped Michigan; maybe the players don't realize this even now. 100% speculation, but I just think Dantonio/staff act like clowns on tape about Michigan, and that obsession seeps into the players' mindsets.
I heard in the car on the radio that Dantonio had the ball in Nebraska territory on 4th & 2 in the 4th qtr, and that Dantonio chose to punt it (ultimately into the endzone). I don't know much more than that, but something confidently tells me that he would have gone for it against Michigan in that same situation, to get the win.
|2 years 29 weeks ago||and this is why they will continue to be SOS||
no accountability, no leadership
|2 years 29 weeks ago||0-3||
in B1G play at home
ha ha (point finger)!
|2 years 29 weeks ago||art reflects life?|
|2 years 31 weeks ago||Michigan 27 Michigan Staee 13||
rushing yards 333
|2 years 36 weeks ago||I think I just changed my mind.||
ND beating MSU at MSU followed by Michigan beating ND at ND sounds pretty sweet. I'll take that one.
|2 years 36 weeks ago||msu||
in a closely played game in which both offenses have multiple unforced turnovers and both teams get beat up.
I hope msu keeps winning and talking or tweeting, as those young people do.
|2 years 38 weeks ago||you don't want the truth||
because deep down in places you don't talk about at parties . . .
|2 years 40 weeks ago||I like that no matter who is the QB on 10/20||
he will have only had one game of experience on the road--at Central Michigan. Man, I hope the big house is rocking on the 20th. I think both defenses are better than the offenses they will face that game, fwiw.
|2 years 42 weeks ago||what a cool experience||
it's great. to be. a michigan wolverine.
|2 years 42 weeks ago||improvement after committing to Michigan||
Nik Stauskus too. He often gets overlooked I think.
|2 years 44 weeks ago||key phrase being . . .||
"If you get busted"
The legal system had double (or more) standards even if you do in fact get busted.
My answer is thus no. The legal system in the US (and most other countries) is a joke.
I learned this watching The Wire.
|2 years 45 weeks ago||I'm most worried about this home game||
undefeated at home is a good goal to add to the list.
|2 years 45 weeks ago||yeah, but having/lacking a quick first step to me is not the||
same as not /having good ball-handling. In my experience, ball-handling is fundamental and more about ball security in general.
Lacking a quick first step is specifically about attacking the hoop. Some players seem to do this naturally without issues; THJ doesn't seem to be one of those guys. If that's his only issue this year, I think we'll be good.
|2 years 45 weeks ago||I think this is right||
but with McLimans, we know we're getting slight improvement in his game since he'll be a senior; he might show leadership by producing at key moments though.
Contrast that with Beilfeldt who still has a chance to be a good college player (significantly better than average; sorry, McLimans, if you're reading this). He was injured last year I think and took a redshirt.
|2 years 45 weeks ago||independently, yes, you're correct||
but our team's lines currently lack the depth necessary to go against all those quality opponents over a season. Hope for the best, expect the worst? Idk, but I like our chances that the coaches will get the most out of the players.
I hope BWC and Richard Ash step up their games such that Pipkens is an option after them; then this season could be special. The Alabama game should be telling.
|2 years 45 weeks ago||fwiw, a glimpse at THJ's game and goals today||
“His ball handling looks really good and he’s improved a lot.” Burke said . . . We actually played against him [a couple times]. He looks good, shooting the ball really well and attacking the rim strong.”
. . Hardaway’s focus in the offseason has been developing into a complete player – even one that Michigan fans might not care for but have to respect.
“I’m going to have a Draymond Green type of year,” Hardaway said. “He just does everything: rebound, pass, steals, assists, running the point a little bit. He just makes his teammates better. I know the fans might not like that but he’s a dog out there.”
For the record, I like that.
|2 years 45 weeks ago||defense||
we could be really good if they work at it. The team is much longer than it was with Stu and Novak. The frosh have to catch up with their defensive IQ though.
|2 years 45 weeks ago||same here||
please moderate as redundant.
|2 years 45 weeks ago||it's reasonable||
to suggest other cover-ups. The ends justified the means for ol' Joe Pa when he covered up Sandusky's illness.
|2 years 45 weeks ago||also|
|2 years 45 weeks ago||useful link|
|2 years 45 weeks ago||yeah||
I like Morgan at the 5 too, but it amazes me that he plays stronger there than our guys at 6-10 height can play.
|2 years 45 weeks ago||I agree with the first part of your response||
but I give a healthy THJ the advantage over the starter at the 2 for MSU (one of two true freshman or Appling or Trice). This doesn't even factor in my Sam-Webb-gutt feeling that Stauskus will have a good to great freshman year.
I think until we see Dawson back to form, SF is a push, because Kearney hasn't shown much that I can tell. Green was so integral to the off./def. schemes at this position or at the 4.
Front court is a Sparty advantage, with Horford and Beifeldt having the most upside as x-factors (its unknown what they bring, but they've had time to develop physically at least) though. Just like at the other positions for both teams, there are highly touted true freshmen competing at the 5 for MSU.
|2 years 45 weeks ago||oddly enough||
|2 years 45 weeks ago||if the dantonio exchange re Taybor Pepper really happened||
somehow I don't think mark smiled as much as Shane Morris does.
|2 years 46 weeks ago||are you "defender of Magnus"?||
are you "defender of Magnus"?
|2 years 46 weeks ago||yes||
it's the best investment I've ever made. I'm reminded of this regularly.
|2 years 46 weeks ago||I have fun viewing RCMB threads about anything Michigan||
It feels like I'm watching Jerry Springer (when I was a kid). I know I'm wasting my time on absurd people, but the constant train wreck never ceases to amaze me.
|2 years 46 weeks ago||even the biggest fish at the table||
can get dealt into AA situations in the short term. Mathematics says it won't last.
|2 years 46 weeks ago||my hope is||
that LM III seeks out his Michigan Family for perspective on all this. I think the experiences of David Dawson would help him here.
Many families have crazy people who act crazy against their family members. It's probably one of the toughest lessons to experience or to learn in life.
|2 years 46 weeks ago||look at the point total of a user on mgoblog||
This will give you an initial lens through which you can properly interpret a comment made.
Once I started viewing comments in this manner, the trolls became more obvious.
|2 years 46 weeks ago||Division first, then rivalries||
Prioritizing the division would be my approach on this topic, because as Hoke emphasizes--the Big Ten title is THE GOAL for every season. We don't get to the BTCG w/o beating Sparty this year in 2012. I suppose beating Nebraska is important by the logic also, but I'm cautiously optimistic (based on the suprising way in which we won that game in 2011) about the game there.
In the more long-term future, I think Hoke will field a much more dominant team over Sparty. When we start to regularly win the division, I'll probably put tOSU higher. Until that time, my two cents on 2012 priorities are:
Big Ten title
Beat tOSU (also, isn't Ohio banned from the BTCG this season?)