I'VE HAD JUST ABOUT ENOUGH OF YOU SONNY
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|17 hours 32 min ago||Eh||
Eh, fans will be fans. That's why we're all here. It's unrealistic to expect fans to point out the positives despite a result that is less than desired. People have to be who they are. Some are positive, some are pessimistic, some do research to analyze stuff, and some look to the future during times of our team's frustration. But, you can't expect someone to be someone they aren't.
I personally reserve the right to call for Borges head when I deem his coaching sucks, despite my complete lack of coaching knowledge. I won't disrespect players, but I will call it like I see it as a fan. We want to see our favorite team be successful because we all feel some slight piece of identity with the product we see on the field and when they are not successful we get frustrated and this is a forum to voice that frustration. That's all it is.
One thing I can say as a former college athlete, watching is much harder and more stressful than playing. As a fan all we do is watch and hope. As a player, if you've done your best, it's not that hard to brush off a loss and move on. It's much harder to do that as a fan. If any of our words actually has any real impact on a recruit that is at the very least weird. I know as an athlete no fans words that don't see inside the walls of day to day operations ever affected my actions.
|18 hours 20 min ago||The minute I watched MSU hand||
The minute I watched MSU hand us our as* with a dominating defense I began to wonder why he'd prefer UM over MSU.
|18 hours 23 min ago||Yeah, I agree. I sorta want||
Yeah, I agree. I sorta want to hear your impressions from your "conversations" rahter than quote him because I sorta feel like I'm reading a private conversation which feels a little weird.
On a side note I can't help but feel a little frustrated that the two big recruits (Hand & McDowell) in positions of need that we have been waiting on for quite some time, both of whom were thought to be UM leans, now seem like they are both lost. I'm not sure we can really be a good defense until we can get an elite pass rusher. I think Mone and Pipkins will be good in the middle in the future. I still have high hopes for Charlton. But, we still need some talent at SDE.
|19 hours 47 min ago||Think he's as tall as listed?||
I'm aware he's listed there, but I think general consensus is that he's more like 5'11", no? I know D-Rob was listed at 6'0", but measured 5'10" at the combine for example. I see Ross more in the mold of a Denicos Allen. From seeing the two on TV (R0ss and Foote) Ross looks more muscular, but shorter, but that's just me.
|20 hours 30 sec ago||For the record||
For the record it would be nice to see more national kids outside the midwest. Back in the good ole days we always had a fair amount of starters from places like TX, CA, FL, VA, etc. I know we've got a few kids sprinkled in here and there but I think we need more. I'm guessing we will have start seeing more on-field success before that trend happens. For now I'll take Green, Speight, Mone, Peppers, JBB, Campbell, Cole, and Harris because those are some great kids and this staff is doing great with recruiting. But, I wouldn't mind seeing those numbers double.
|1 day 21 hours ago||Yeah, I'm no football coach||
Yeah, I'm no football coach and Foote has had a long NFL career, but my impression of him is a tough motor guy that plays above his ability. Plus he's 6'1". While Ross isn't as tall, if I'm just watching the two play Ross passes the eye test. He appears the faster and more athletic of the two. I like my chances with Ross as he gets older assuming he stays healthy.
|1 day 21 hours ago||I think we've gone after some||
I think we've gone after our fair share, they just didn't show interest back or commit. It's hard to blame them with UF, FSU, Bama, LSU, Georgia, etc. all in the south. We offered Levenberry, O'Daniel, Hutchings, and Jaylon Smith in the '13 class, and Yeargin, Swain, Williams, etc. in the '14 class. So, I think the offers are going out, the kids just aren't showing commiting just yet. But, I think the midwest has enough LB talent, but right now we're splitting them with PSU, OSU, MSU, etc. If we got the lions share I'm sure we'd be fine. But, each year under Hoke the rankings of our recruits seems to be trending upward. As we hopefully get more on-field success we can land more top kids versus just a 4-star regional kid.
|1 day 22 hours ago||Is he really only down to 7?||
If we are no more seperated than 6 other schools this late in the process than I am officially not getting my hopes us. From everything I've heard it's between MSU, OSU, and UM. If Narduzzi leaves MSU I can't see he wouldn't go to UM, but I was under the assumption he wanted to stay close to home. Either way, I'm off the recruiting bandwagon...hopefully he comes, if not oh well.
|2 days 8 hours ago||Hit the gym!||
...in your UM gear that is.
|2 days 17 hours ago||How do you know?||
How do you know? Do you know Funchess' 40 time? I'm not disagreeing, but I think it's a little too early to make that judgement. Funchess' soph year stats are pretty similar to Johnson's soph year stats. Johnson blew up his junior year and went pro. We'll see what Funchess does next year. I do think Johnson is more of a WR and Funchess is more of a pass catching TE. Funchess has a little bigger frame, wider shoulders, and will probably be bigger than Johnson by the time he graduates seeing they are the same height and weight now and Funchess was about 15 pounds heavier coming out of high school than Johnson was. But, I just think it's a little too early to compare either way. It's probably not fair to compare him the best WR in the NFL. But, it's probably not fair to say he doesn't have the potential either.
|2 days 18 hours ago||Key word being almost||
We almost won, however we in fact lost. Which is what I would expect again. Although it's a great opprotunity if we can win, I kinda expect a more similar result as last year...we play a good game, play hard, but get beat by big plays by a team with more playmakers.
|2 days 18 hours ago||It's a combination of things||
I think part of the problem is the d-line was allowing OSU's o-line to get to the next level. They had a good o-line this year and are all big and upperclassman. Also, most of our LBs (minus JMFR) are either undersized, young, or not super athletic. Ross is athletic, but undersized and young. Morgan is undersized and experienced, but not super athletic. Bolden is a bit of a mystery still, but also young and undersized....same with RJS. Gedeon is young but seems like he has potential and he has good size. McCray is a highly rated recruit, but we haven't seen him play yet. Ferns seems like the best of the group as he's already bigger than all the other LBs (minus JMFR) and from what I've seen of his videos has really good foot speed and athleticism. I think we will improve next year too since we have them all back. As a side note, Mouton in 2006(?) is the last non-regional LB I can recall us recruiting in recent memory. All of our LBs are from MI, OH, and PA I think for quite a while, so that might have something to do with it. When we can start pulling national LB recruits from other regions we will get better...as with every position.
|2 days 21 hours ago||Season thoughts||
My biggest thoughts on the season are what could have been. After watching UM in The Game I can't help but wonder why this wasn't our offense all year. If it was we could have easily won the PSU, Iowa, and Nebraska games and sat with at 10-2 record. I get the feeling Borges and Hoke just keep trying to force this team to be something they are not. And, only as a last resort change their philosophy. My big hope is that we don't waste another year doing this because next year's team is going to be more similar to this year's team than different. We are not going to magically turn into a power running team until we have an experienced offensive line full of upperclassman and that won't happen until 2015 at the earliest. So, I ust hope we work on the offense the way we play in The Game and not the way we played in most of the other games.
|2 days 21 hours ago||It's a great opportunity||
It's a great opportunity to play a top SEC team and I know Murray is out for the season. But, I haven't seen them play without Murray yet, so it's hard for me to judge how good of a team they are without him. But, it is somewhat frustrating that we are again playing a once ranked top 10 again that at least on paper everyone believes has more talent than UM. This is a team that was a pre-season #5 with at least one vote for the top team in the country. If we play like we did against OSU we will have a chance, but it will be difficult for UM to defend Gurley if he's healthy. This is a team that played Clemson and Auburn very close and beat LSU and South Carolina.
|4 days 22 hours ago||Other than Hyde, Shazier,||
Other than Hyde, Shazier, Roby, and their o-line??? You just named one of the best RBs, LBs, CBs, and o-line units in the country. You don't think those will hurt?
|4 days 22 hours ago||How could our o-line get any||
How could our o-line get any worse? Have you read any of Gandolf's assessments on the o-line and how the experience and talent of the tackles is not nearly as important as that of the guards and center?
So, you don't think all the big recruiting classes we've had under Hoke will ever be good enough to beat good teams on the road? You think we are destined to lose 3-5 games every year forever? If you don't think the reason we struggle on the road is because of youth, the offensive line play, an in-experienced QB, or the other popular beliefs? What do you suppose is the reason...is it merely coaching for you?
Personally I think it's youth and talent. Most of our upperclassman aren't as talented and most of talent is inexperienced. Next year is the first year that Hoke's first full recruiting class (2012) will be upperclassman (juniors). This and a returning starting QB is why I think we take a step forward and win some road games against better teams, but that's just me.
|4 days 22 hours ago||Bad, no...worse, yes||
Yeah, I never expected them to be as bad as UM has been this year. But, I do think instead of pretty much winning the majority of matchups this season, we can win the majority next season. They won't be the worst offensive line in the conference like UM was, but they won't be the best like they were this year either. They only have to be bad enough so that UM can stop the run and pressure the QB with four. I think there's a solid chance that happens next year.
|4 days 22 hours ago||I agree||
We may be awful again on the road, but we may also turn a corner. At some point I fully believe we will turn a corner as our youth gains experience and our young talent gets more entrenched as the guys contrubuting in the 2-deep, it's just a matter of when. I think we will take a big step towards this next year and win a few big road games. In another year after that as our offensive moves from capable to good I think will continue forward with this. Then again, I could be wrong, but I'll remain hopeful for now.
|5 days 5 hours ago||If you go by recruiting rankings...||
If you go by recruiting rankings there is a big difference between Green and Peppers. I only have ESPN access, so I can only speak to their rankings, but I can't imagine the others are far off. Green is a 4-star and Peppers is a 5-star. Green is an 87 and Peppers is a 95. That is 7 points in the rankings. That is like comparing Chris Bryant to David Dawson. Peppers is much higher ranked than Green. Both would be considered elite players. But, they are also completely different. Green is a big, strong kid with good speed, but if you look at his recruiting profile he still has weaknesses like pad level, getting tackled low, balance, and not a home run threat in terms of speed. Peppers on the other hand has the speed and foot skills of a CB and the body of a safety. He can play RB, catch the ball, and return kicks and punts. He is physical and is a good tackler and has good coverage skills. He has the ability to play a number of positions and is a mismatch at all of them. Plus he has the confidence and intelligence to go with it. He has no weakness. Green is by all accounts a good player. Peppers is a star.
|5 days 6 hours ago||What about the poor performances?||
Shouldn't he have been able to get better production from the offensive line? Did the offensive line change from today and ND compared to MSU, Iowa, Nebraska, etc? Why are you so high on one good performance, but not concerned with all the poor ones? What about Gardner's issues and the general regression of the offense minus Indiana (poor defensive talent) and OSU?
|5 days 17 hours ago||Peppers, DBs, freshman expectations etc.||
I agree with you that we should not count on true freshman. Peppers is different however. He is the best player in the country and is already bigger and faster as a kid than any of our DBs on our team. He is bigger than our safeties and faster than our cornerbacks. He will be the best DB we have next year. I do think Stribling has a bright future. And, I'm not counting on Harris next year because he is too small at like 174lbs. I am also concerned about the safety position. In order for us to be favored in Columbus we need a lot to happen. Maybe when we have a returning starting QB, experienced lines on both sides, and when our talent is older. Offhand that sounds like 2016. Is that too depressing?
|5 days 17 hours ago||Wait||
Wait...you want Borges back??? Please tell me why...
|5 days 17 hours ago||Eligibility Status||
Yes, I gave this year's eligibility so as not to confuse anyone. One thing to note however, is most of OSU's interior lineman instead of being like 6'4" or 6'5" and 315lbs are 6'2" or 6'3" and 290-295. Those are their current listed heights/weights so it may have been in fall camp and they may go up by next year too. But, they should have at least 2 interior lineman that are in their 3rd year.
|5 days 17 hours ago||OC||
Are you convinced Borges will be gone? While I sure hope so, after today's performance, and Brady's constant public support of him, I'm not so sure.
|5 days 21 hours ago||In all fairness that was before we ever saw them play||
In all fairness that was before we saw them play. I was on record for thinking we'd go 9-3 and lose to ND, NW, and OSU. I also thought we could beat PSU, MSU, and Iowa which didn't happen. But, that was all based on paper. We have never really seen a team just like this one before so it was somewhat of a mystery. Remember we had all these question marks that could either way, like the o-line, the RB, the pass rush, the safeties, etc? Those predictions were before we realized the offseason hype on the defense was just that, before we realized how bad our interior o-line is, and how little help our experienced tackles are to them. I'm not sure anyone would have expected the season long regression of the offense and the offensive line. That's coaching. Before the season I thought we'd lose a close game because I believed if the 2012 game was at home I thought we would have won and both teams were pretty similar coming back this year. But, prior to the start of the game I thought we'd get blown out based on what this team has shown us most of the year.
|5 days 22 hours ago||Respectfully disagree||
The score of the game is not the only result. It may be the most meaningful, but nonetheless there are other results. How the fan base feels, how the players react, how the coach feels, how recruits feel, the types of questions the media asks etc. We've all seen how media questioning a coach's job status can affect a team or a recruit. A well played, hard fought, close game, especially with a young team, however can in some ways be a win and a growing experience. Rarely do ugly loses help you or motivate a team. They are demoralizing and make you lose confidence in yourself. It's close losses that motivate to do just a little more, that make you believe you can in fact compete with a good team, and that inspire you. It reminds you that despite all the adversity the ability is still there and they are close. That may not ease the pain of the loss, but there can be positive results from a close loss when you play well. An ugly loss...not so much.
|5 days 22 hours ago||Poor Garder||
He really took a beating, both physically and mentally, all year long. I really hope he has the opportunity to grow from this in the bowl game and next year. I would really like to see him get some big wins to make up for this season full of struggles...even dare I say a win in Columbus. I think it's ripe for the picking next year as OSU's defense will be young, no more Hyde, and a young offensive line.
|5 days 22 hours ago||No, No, and No||
One game does erase the many poor games. Our offense, our QB, and our o-line regressed much of the year. Borges has to answer to that. We are better off without him. Please bring in a new coordinator!
|5 days 23 hours ago||Call me wrong||
I was a a person that said I was a little concerned with so many recruits coming to this game and thinking we may be blown out. I was pleasantly surprised with our offensive performance. But, it still bothers me that there were so many OSU fans there and OSU was on the sideline singing after the game. A recruit considering both schools would still likely have a positive reaction to OSU after that. I feel like our fans couldn't do that in Columbus. I don't wanna be OSU fans, but in a way I would like their fans to be just as uncomfortable at our stadium as we are in theirs.
|5 days 23 hours ago||We still lack playmakers on||
We still lack playmakers on D. Peppers will certainly be one if we can hold onto him. Same could be said for McDowell if we can land him. Ryan is another. Pipkins and Ross have the pedigree and experience to develop into them next year. Younger guys like Thomas, McCray, and Charlton have the pedigree as well but still need time to develop. They won't be playmakers next year. Gedeon is showing promise. I'm hopeful those 3rd year guys like Wormley, Ojemudia, and Henry take a big step next year. But, we lack those elite playmaker guys. Missing out on Hand really hurt.