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|8 hours 56 min ago||Gotta look at all the evidence||
What evidence do we have that PSU is better than OSU? They beat them head-to-head. That is definately solid evidence. But, that doesn't tell the whole picture. Ultimately their overall record is more indicitave of who is the better team. If PSU had lost 5 games instead of 2, but still won the head-to-head game would we still say PSU is the better team? If not, then we have to admit total record matters. So, if OSU has one less loss that's important. Now is that alone enough to say they're the better team? Probably not. So, look further. Look at strength of schedule. OSU has wins over UM, Oklahoma, Wiscy, and Nebraska. PSU only has the win over OSU and a win over Wiscy. They didn't beat Wiscy as soundly as OSU did. They got killed by UM, whom OSU narrowly beat. Those are their only common ranked opponents. I'd also consider where the OSU/PSU game was played and how close it was. PSU won narrowly at home. Would they win in a neutral site game? I don't think so.
So, overall if you look at the entire season and all the evidence OSU is the better team, despite a very close loss on the road at PSU.
|9 hours 23 min ago||my take||
we all know OSU is better than PSU. they may have lost head-to-head, but it was last minute and on the road, similar to UM/OSU. so you have look to further at records and schedule. PSU has 2 losses and no other big wins other than Wisconsin. OSU has one loss and wind vs Oklahoma, UM, and Wisconsin and soundly beat Wisconsin.
IMO OSU clearly has a better total resume. UM is the unfortunate one that screwed themselves at Iowa and got screwed at OSU. but, UM had also a better resume than PSU
|13 hours 3 min ago||Eh||
Bama and FLA were not the rivals that OSU and UM are. OSU has so many built in advantages that keep them on top including in state talent and few in state competition for it. UM has been on the bad side of this rivalry for just under 2 decades now. I believe in Harbaugh, but in terms of being better than OSU, I'm at the "I'll believe it when I see it" stage.
|1 day 15 hours ago||As expected...really good, but not NC level yet||
I thought the offensive line would have been a little better. IMO they cost us the games we lost and almost Wiscy. I thought the LBs and QB were better than I expected. I thought the d-line and the DBs were as expected. I thought Darboh was better than expected, Butt as expected, and Chesson worse. I think Speight and Evans were the suprise of the season as they both looked really good and gave me hope for next year. It's weird to say the offensive line was so meh, that it also gives me confidence that it won't get much worse next year.
Overall I think it all went as expected, a lock down defense with a good offense that would sputter against good defenses. We split with the rivals. I was thinking somewhere between 1-3 losses, so 10-2 regular season makes sense. I think we lost the 2 games by a smaller margin than I expected. I didn't expect to go undefeated and we were within 6 points of doing so. So, overall I think the season was better than I expected mainly because Speight was pretty good most of the year and he was a total question mark in the beginning. Combine that with the defense was it was supposed to be and that lead to a great season.
|2 days 1 hour ago||Do we think we beat Bama or would you rather get there and lose?||
I think you have to ask yourself 2 questions. 1) If we played Bama do you think we would win? And, 2) if we played in a New Year's Day bowl do you think we would win?
I don't believe we can beat Bama and I do believe we'd have a good chance of winning against the rest of the field in a bowl. So, if I had to chose between losing to Bama and beating another top 15 team, I'd take the later.
If by some stretch we get into the playoffs as the #4 seed and get beaten by Bama I will come back and tell you all I told you so.
|2 days 1 hour ago||Do we really want to play Bama?||
Do we really want to be the #4 seed and have to play Bama? Personally I'd prefer to go to a nice bowl game and finish the season with a win.
|2 days 1 hour ago||Don't forget Liufau got injured in the UM game||
I think some folks forget that CO was winning before Liufau got knocked out of the game. I still think we win with a healthy Luifau, but it would have been a lot closer.
|3 days 2 hours ago||Be ahead of OSU||
What do I want? I want to have a better class than OSU. That's the only way to beat them.
In '12 UM was ranked #7 and OSU was ranked #6. In '13 UM was ranked #5 and OSU was #6 (ESPN). This would be this year's RS senior and senior classes which means they were basically equal over that two year span. So all those guys like Charlton, Glasgow, Wormley, McCray, Gedeon, Lewis, Thomas, Kalis, Magnusson, Smith, Chesson, Darboh, Butt, etc. were all in those classes. Granted, OSU played a lot of RS sophomores and juniors this year and we played mostly seniors so it's not apples to apples, but you get the gist. We were comparable to OSU's recruiting classes for Hoke's first 2 years.
Why does being better than our biggest rival seem like such a rediculous desire?
FWIW I don't realistically expect us to out-recruit OSU in the team rankings more than once every few years due to geographical advantages that OSU has, more recent success, and less in-state competition. But, I am hopeful we can be close enough to beat them more than once every 8 years. If we can't do at least twice that good (once every 4) I will be quite disapointed.
|3 days 9 hours ago||This class seems super solid, but not super talented||
I'm a little concerned that when looking across at OSU's class we just won't be able to compete. We have a ton of solid guys, but not a ton of impressive guys. IMO Impressive guys that are currnetly committed are McCaffrey, Vilian, and Singleton (pre-ACL). O'Maury seems really athletic as does St. Juste, but they both seem a little less of a sure thing too, and obviously who knows how Singleton recovers from his injury. The other super talented guys are all targets. Granted, it would be great if we got Ruiz, Wilson, Filiaga, DPJ, Solomon, Gay, or Holmes, but without a good chunck of them I don't see a ton of playmakers.
I feel like we are just solid in a lot of positions, but will have trouble with the really athletic teams that will make playoff rosters. This should give us a 10-win type of team, but IMO not a playoff type of team unless we get a good chunck of those targets. Here's to hoping for Harbaugh et al. are able to make waves as we closer to signing day.
|4 days 16 hours ago||Yes, they matchup better IMO||
Yes, although UM has a better defense than both of those teams, they matchup better with Bama. Both Clemson and OSU have offenses that don't require as good of a performance from their o-line, in part because of their team speed and in part because of the mobility of their QBs. Our offense requires good play by our o-line to be effective, which is why for parts of or entire games against Wiscy, Iowa, and OSU we didn't move the ball at all. Against Bama our o-line would get mauled. Clemson and OSU wouldn't have as much of a problem getting first downs as we would. Their weaknesses on defense would be mitigated because Bama isn't great offensively. It's just a better matchup in my opinion
|4 days 16 hours ago||I wouldn't mind if it became a requirement||
I wouldn't mind if you had to win your conference to get to the playoff. They'd simply take the top 4 ranked conference winners from the Power 5 conferences. End of story, no debate on who gets in, they all know ahead of time they have to win their conference or bust.
|5 days 1 hour ago||Our offense wouldn't be able to move the ball||
Our defense may be able to make it a low scoring game for a while, but our o-line would be dominated by Bama's d-line. We wouldn't be able to run. We'd have to throw, Speight would get pressured regularly, then we'd get turnovers, sacks, or negative plays. We'd have lots of 3-and-outs, which would put pressure on our defense, which would eventually wear down and get beat in the second half. That's just a casual fan's observation/opinion, but who knows...it's college football.
|5 days 3 hours ago||Need a mobile QB to deal with Bama's D-line||
IMHO whomever gets the benefit of the #4 seed is going to get soundly beaten by Bama. I don't see any team below #3 making a competitive game with Bama. I think it would take an athletic QB like Jackson/Louisville to give them a good game, but Louisville has no chance to get in. Barrett & OSU or Watson & Clemson may be able to hang with them for a bit, but I don't see any o-line that can handle Bama's d-line, which means the QB has to be able to make plays on his own. UM, PSU, Wiscy, Washington don't seem to fit that bill.
|5 days 15 hours ago||I think McDoom will be a good||
I think McDoom will be a good one, and I think the others kind of fall into the catagory of reliable and good blockers. The one question marks is Harris who seems to have the ability to be a big play WR, but not sure if that pans out. If we can get a guy like DPJ, I think he's a difference maker immediately and gives us that great big play athlete.
With an experienced QB, FB, TEs, an explosive RB in Evans, and above average WRs (plus hopefully inserting one great one in DPJ), we should be fine as long as the o-line has a pulse. We won't be dominant, but good enough for 9 wins in a rebuilding year, while poised to be really good the following year. I'll take that.
|6 days 15 hours ago||McDowell is 276, Hurst is 282, Gary is 285||
Malik McDowell is 6'6" 276 and Rashon Gary is 6'5" 287. I bet McDowell was even lighter as a true freshmen, who even at that time was still a really good DT. McDowell routinely blows back guys that are much heavier. McDowell neither looks big nor particularly muscular. I don't think his size or strength is a factor here. I'd be surprised if freshman Malik McDowell was stronger than the guys he went up against, but he was still able to beat them. I think Gary has the ability to be effective in the middle right now. Hurst is another guy smaller than Gary that is effective at DT.
|1 week 3 hours ago||Best part...||
That's Mikey Weber.
|1 week 3 hours ago||Gary getting more snaps doesn't mean they have to come from Taco||
I'm not suggesting a Gary for Charlton swap. Charlton had a great game. I'm just suggesting he get more snaps. They could have come from Wormley or Godin as well. I also thought he could be utilized at DT, but they never seemed to want to try that. I'd like to see a Charlton, Hurst, Gary, Wormley pass rush grouping the way OSU uses all DEs on 3rd and longs. Taco had a great season and a great game, I just thought we could have used Mone & Gary more to keep the others fresh. Wasn't this the same board that thought Gary would be staring day 1?
|1 week 3 hours ago||Hoke got lucky in his first year against OSU||
Hoke did a great job in his first year, but let's be real. The only reason he beat OSU was because Tressel and Pryor unexpectedly left. Even still, he barely escaped beating OSU at home. I'll give him credit in that he played them close the next two years before getting blown out in year 4. But, without an interim head coach he's 0-4 vs OSU.
Harbaugh may very well go 0-3 vs OSU, but 2 consecutive 10 win seaons and a bowl victory is already more than Hoke did. I don't see a NC in our next few years, but I'd bet Harbaugh gets at least 8 wins next year and 10 or more again in year 4. To win 8-10 games every year for your fist 4 years is pretty impressive. It's not easy to win NCs, but you'd have to assume he'll be in the mix at some point in the next 5-10 years if he remains at UM.
|1 week 4 hours ago||I know I know||
Yeah, agreed, but I don't want to go there. Our missed guys that were 4-star talents from the '12 and '13 class are well documented and as equally frustrating.
|1 week 5 hours ago||I don't understand that logic||
Why settle for that? Why not try and make plays? I don't understand that logic. It's one thing if a guy blows a coverage, misses a block, fumbles, drops a ball, etc. But, to not give a guy a chance that has made plays over the course of the season doesn't make sense when you need a big play.
|1 week 7 hours ago||I disagree, but could see the committee seeing it that way||
I tend to agree with you, probably only because I prefer to assume things won't go in UM's favor. However, if I were a complete outsider with no horse in the race, I don't see how anyone could put in Wiscy or PSU over UM when they all have identical records (for whomever wins the B1G), yet UM beat both of them. I don't think the other teams really matter. It's really only between UW, B1G winner, and UM.
I don't see what it matters if your 2 losses were in conference or out of conference. Granted, I think it's important who you lose to and by how much, but not whether or not it's in or out of conference. That distinction is important for the conference championship conversation, but not the playoff conversation IMO. But, that's just me and not what I believe the committee will do. Only time will tell.
All that being said, I'd prefer not to go to the playoff because I think Bama and Clemson are both significantly better than us and don't want to see that game. We can obviously play with OSU and I'd love to see us play UW, but I think a bowl game against another opponent would be better of UM. I'd like to see us play Tennessee, Oklahoma, or Florida again. I don't want any part of Louisville or any other mobile QBs, or Dalvin Cook for that matter.
|1 week 8 hours ago||What have you done lately or body of work?||
Hard to tell what the committee would do. I guess it's the question of what is more important, putting in a conferene winner or the better team given the body of work. I guess the same could be said if PSU wins the B1G, but I can't see them getting ahead of UM either. What if Clemson or Bama lose their conference title? Could Florida get in with 2 losses?
|1 week 8 hours ago||I can see both sides||
Yes, with at least one call (the 4th down) going another way, UM could have won the game probably assuming we could run out the clock. The other calls it's hard to say. It could have changed how the game played out, but does any of them gurantee UM would have won? I don't see it that way. Any number of variables could have changed if those PI calls go our way.
Wilton could have not thrown a pick-6. Wilton could have not fumbled on the goal line. OSU could have kicked 2 FGs. We could have stopped JT and pressured him more in the 4th quarter like we did in the first half. It looked like our defense got fatigued in the 4th quarter and their defense took over in the 4th quarter, which is what better teams do.
So, although if calls went a different way could we have won?...yes. Did OSU make mistakes and give us an opportunity to win?...yes. But, they also shut us down when they had to and made plays when they had to. We still had an opportunity to make plays despite the officiating, so IMO the officials gave them an advantage, but didn't give them the game. We still had an opportunity to take it, but were unable to. I thought the better team won on that particular day (I think UM wins on a neutral site or at home).
|1 week 8 hours ago||Right now 5 makes sense (#4 if UW loses to CO)||
Every team that is 1-4 only has one loss. But, 3 of them have to play another game. If Colorado beats Washington (whom UM beat), I'd have to assume UM gets the nod. The only other team I can see getting in ahead of UM is if Wiscy beats PSU soundly. Even then it's hard to imagine Wiscy goes ahead of UM. UM beat Wiscy and crushed PSU. That would leave Wiscy's only argument as a 17-9 win over Iowa, which hardly seems right to put them ahead of UM when UM lost to Iowa by one point, beat Wiscy head-to-head, and lost by a smaller margin to OSU. It would be one thing if Wiscy beat OSU, but they didn't. So, if UW looses I think UM has got a decent shot.
|1 week 10 hours ago||Again, great impactful player, yes, Heisman-type performer, no||
Again, he was a great player, who had significant contributions, but never the sort of impact I (and many others) had hoped for.
I'm no coach, so I have no idea how to put a player in a position to have the most impact, although I did have some suggestions (put Jabrill as a WR and RB instead of a QB). Maybe we didn't block well enough to spring him as a returner, maybe his game wasn't a cover corner to come up with more picks, maybe our offensive line wasn't good enough to give him space to make plays. I don't know the answer to any of this.
What I do know is he wasn't able to make a big enough impact to win the tough games as Desmond & Charles did, or even Braylon for that matter. He was good at a lot of different things, but never struck me as the best in the country at anything. I had hoped he would be more and that made me disapointed. Great player, no doubt, the kind of player that can't be beat, unfortunately no.
|1 week 14 hours ago||He should go||
I'd love him back, but it would be a bad decision for him IMO. He can still improve, especially in his coverage. But, I'd be really surprised if our team wins more games next year or if we beat OSU. So, if a major part of his decision to come back is to win or beat OSU I'm afraid it would be a disapointment for him.
I'm so glad he was on our side. He is an amazing young man and I loved having his skills, confidence, and passion on our side. Maybe I should leave it at that, but if you can't vent on a message board where can you? So, I'm gonna go ahead and say it, even though it may not be a popular statement (although if you're honest I'd bet you agree). I'd be lying if I said I wasn't a little disapointed by his season.
He had a great year, no doubt and I'm holding him to an awfully high standard, but he was at no point in the same league as Charles Woodson. Despite the early comparisons, I know he was not the same sort of player because Woodson was a lock down corner and that is not Jabrill's game, but he also did not have the sort of impact on games that Charles did. Jabrill only had one punt/kickoff return for a TD in his entire career. He had a few rushing TDs, but none in the losses. He had one interception off a tipped ball yesterday and he had 4 sacks this year. All of those are great stats, but I don't think he'd be a Heisman candidate if he wasn't such a heralded recruit.
This unrealistic expectation is unfair to him and this doesn't make me like him any less, but I'd be lying if I said I wasn't a little disapointed in his impact on the games where we struggled. I don't recall him doing a whole lot in Wiscy, Iowa, or OSU. Going into the year I expected a few more big plays at key times to help us win games. I never really thought to myself "Jabrill will make a play to bail us out and win the game." I think his signature moment was the TD against MSU, but he wasn't able to do that sort of thing as much as I had hoped. He dominated inferior opponents, but had some struggles against some of the better teams. He is a phenomenal athlete, is fast, is explosive, is positive, smart, and energetic. He also probably helped us get Rashon Gary. I'm so happy he is a Wolverine, but I'd be lying if I said I didn't expect more. I sometimes feel a bit bad for Jordan Lewis who IMO was a better player and was overshadowed by Jabrill. It's not fair to expect that much of a kid, but that's how I feel.
|1 week 1 day ago||There's only one thing I want||
And that is to beat OSU, and not when Luke Fickell is coaching and their projected starting QB has to leave for the NFL at the last minute. I want to beat them when they are at full strength. Until that happens more than once per decade I will forever be super frustrated witth what the football gods have done to my favorite hobby. I will continue to be salty, negative, and not believe until I see it, and that makes me an annoying person to be around when it comes to this topic and I don't like it.
|1 week 1 day ago||Why no Peppers at WR???||
I would have liked to see Peppers used more as a decoy lined up at either RB or at WR so it could open room for other players to get the ball or run it. I do no understand why we never did that. I also don't understand why we don't do more HB passes when we can't run the ball. I love Harbaugh and don't want to sound like sour grapes, but for all the Harbaugh genius I heard of I was not super impressed with the play calling. But, it's easier sitting home on the couch and it's hard when the offensive line isn't creating many holes for the running backs.
|1 week 1 day ago||Things don't always go as you think they should in life||
Sometimes you can't take advantage of situations where the ducks seemed to be lined up in your favor, and other times you are able to make unexpectedly great things out of seemingly difficult situations. This was a great year and seemed to line up with our best chance of beating OSU in a while, but it didnt' work out. Next year, looking at the two rosters doesn't look great, but you never know. At some point Harbaugh is either going to beat them or go postal, it won't be long. Look out world.
From a team perspective, we lose a lot. We are still probably an 8 or 9-win team. We do play Fla in Texas. We have to travel to Camp Randall for Wiscy, we're at PSU, then we get the two rivals at home. That should help against MSU, not sure it will mean much for OSU as they look like a juggarnaut next year, but we'll see. The QB and RBs should be good. TEs will be young, but should be good. We don't have a proven #1 WR, but should have enough weapons to win most of the games on our schedule. It would be nice to get a playmaker like DPJ, but we can't count on a kid currently in high school. The defense won't have a ton of depth, but the #1's should be good. If we get an injury at DB for example though, then what?
What remains a thorn in our side likely continues to be the o-line. Until we can get an o-line that can generate a good running game to take pressure off our QB, this offense won't quite click the way we want. I don't know how far off that is. It probably won't be there next year. The year after that doesn't seem like a great o-line either. Unfortunately I think we are looking at the current freshman and next year's freshman at our best chance to be really good on the o-line, which probably means like 3 more years before we get to where we want our o-line to be :/
|1 week 2 days ago||Will Rashon Gary please stand up||
I'd love to see some big impact hits by Rashon and finally out-talent OSU. I know we have plenty of upperclassman d-lineman, but I just want to see what the consensus #1 overall can do after a full season in college football. Now is as good of a time as ever to emerge as the player we all know he is.