Hockey pet peeve: "when a teammate tips a puck in on you, which is exactly how my first collegiate goal against happened. Thanks, Copper."
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|2 days 5 hours ago||Race, Sports, and Chemistry||
I'm not sure how many sports teams the poster has played on where there are similar percentages of different races, but this idea is not unusual. Most people when they come into a new environment tend to flock to people they think are most similar to them. People in new environments look for comfort or familiarity. So, for example, lets say you take a freshman football player and he sees a group of players at two different tables in which the majority are of the same race, one white and one black. The vast majority of the time that new player will sit at the table of athletes that are the same race he/she is. This happens everywhere. This also happens for example at orientation for college or other places you see a lot of new people trying to assimilate. This is not rocket science. Look at any sports teams and you often find mostly white guys and mostly blacks guys together. I don't think this is neccessarily a knock on either, but just a reality of how humans behave, and if you don't purposefully think about or try to change it, it often occurs that way. But, I do like that the team is being intentional about helping everyone get to know each other better.
The other comment I have regarding the chemistry of the team last year is that I think a lot of has to do with Hoke's tendency to prioritize senior leadership. It seems evident that Hoke often gives seniors preferential treatment. For example, I get the impression that for a younger player to displace an older player he can't just be more talented or slightly better, the younger player has to be significanly better and more consistent before he can displace a senior. Also, Hoke tends to assume the seniors must be the leaders, in fact I've heard him say this. The seniors have gone on the Navy Seal trip in previous years. I think this causes problems when teams like last year's have such big freshman/sophomore classes when compared to the junior/senior classes, especially when the younger guys are playing. It makes for a difficult leadership scenario. Generally to lead to have to play well. When seniors don't play well or get displaced by freshman or sophomores, but those younger guys aren't given to the chance to lead it becomes difficult. I think that's what happened last year and why Hoke created a new system to recognize leaders in younger classes. I also think the big 2012 recruiting class becoming upperclassman will also help with this who should now take on a larger leadership role.
|3 days 4 hours ago||You're right, the problem is they're all on one side of the ball||
If some of those stats were on defense, fewest points allowed for example, there would be a lot more wins.
|3 days 4 hours ago||Gedeon||
I'm still on the Gedeon bandwagon over both of them, but that's just me.
|3 days 9 hours ago||Not if you go by this thread||
People are discussing him as a possibility of moving to guard as well. A spot on the line may be his, but where that spot is still seems up in the air..."best 5".
|3 days 11 hours ago||O-line||
The o-line discussion is just so up in the air. We can discuss so many different variables, questions, combinations of players, depth chart probabilites etc. I'm kinda over the o-line talk. I just want to see results on the field. But, it's just going to take time to work all this stuff out. I can't wait for a time when 3-4 of the o-line spots are manned by returning starters who are upperclassman.
|3 days 11 hours ago||What position isn't a camp battle?||
The only ones I can really think of are Funchess at WR, Clark at DE, Ryan at LB, and Wilson at S (and Gardner at QB IMO despite talk otherwise). Everything else is pretty much a battle. All the CBs are battling, the other safety is, the other LB spots are, so much of the d-line is outside of Clark and maybe Beyer, but both Ojemudia and Charlton will get lots of snaps, the entire o-line is a battle, the other WRs spots, the RBs, the FBs, the TEs, etc. I hope all this competition is breeding some toughness and aggression on the field against their opponents.
|3 days 11 hours ago||Thomas Gordon 2.0?||
Gordon is obviously darker skin toned than Watson, but the physical build and size look pretty similar. Good for him.
|3 days 11 hours ago||Why do you think it's weird?||
Guys at the NFL Combine are photographed shirtless and sometimes workout that way as well. One of the goals of the strength staff is almost always to add lean mass and improve body composition so progression pictures provide a means of assessment among other ways. Also the culture of football and weightlifting have traditionally been intertwined. Football players have always been the best sports teams to coach in the weight room in my experience. Granted, I am a little biased as I have been studying the theory and application of hypertrophy for years, but I don't see a single thing weird about it. I guess if you're not someone that enjoys strength training then I could see you might not understand the culture, but among those that do it's not weird at all. Most people that have ever spent any significant amount of time in the weight room has taken pictures of themselves with their shirt off or at least flexed in front of the mirror.
|5 days 4 hours ago||Agree, but c'mon||
While I agree with the sentiment that we shouldn't put too much undue pressure and expectatinos on Peppers, if you think for a second that any of our DBs on the current roster are in the same league as Peppers I think you are in denial or are overly loyal to the older guys. The closest thing we have to Peppers in recruiting rankings is Lewis, but he's not even that close and Lewis is physically very far from Peppers in terms of size and strength and probably speed too. And that is NOT a knock on Lewis. He may not be experienced, but he's significantly better, by recruiting rankings (we haven't seen him play in college yet), than anyone on this team. He may have a lot to learn, but if he doesn't unseat somebody there is a problem. Hargraves was the top DB last year and he started for FLA and he wasn't as highly ranked as Peppers. Hoke has already practically admitted he's the starting nickelback.
|5 days 10 hours ago||Since when is 5'10" 185 small for a CB?||
I know there are some bigger elite CBs these days, especially at places like Bama, but I don't think 5'10" 185 is undersized. Plus, I don't see many Clavin Johnson's in the B1G. Gallon certainly wasn't that tall. Corey Brown was all conference at 6'1" 190. Allen Robinson is a little bigger and Jared Abberdaris falls somewhere inbetween. It may not be big, but if you have the speed and athleticism it's certainly adaquate to play at this level. I know we all love to see these benchmark numbers like 6'0" or 200 lbs, but is there really that much of a difference between 1-2 inches or 5-10 pounds?
|5 days 10 hours ago||Hard to see Countess getting demoted||
Part of me agrees with your assessment, but I also don't think Countess has topped out his ability yet due to his injury. I think he has room to improve both in his technique, knowledge of the defense, and his speed, strength, and athleticism. I do agree Taylor seems merely servicable and should be passed by Lewis. But, based on the history of this coaching staff, I find it hard to beleive they are simply going to demote upperclassman with lots of experience, especially in Countess, who seems to be a leader on this team. Maybe eventually someone surplants him towards the end of the season with consistent play, but I'd be very surpresed if Countess is not a 1st team CB come B1G play.
|1 week 2 hours ago||Bazinga||
LOL I think you confused that with yourself ;)
|1 week 10 hours ago||Hmm||
If that's the cas how does Masina fit in whose apparently still interested?
|1 week 10 hours ago||Where's my shirtless blue shorts thread...sorry couldn't resist||
|1 week 1 day ago||RJS = my favorite number on that chart||
Green's weight staying down is important too and that's been talked about. But, I think RJS weight gain of 13 pounds is pretty impressive and I'm looking forward to seeing him finally get on the field and start using the talent that I think he has. Although he may be a little undisciplined at times (OSU fight last year), I like his aggressive style of play and his athleticism. There are so many good LBs. It will be hard to see JMFR gone next year, but there are a lot of talented guys that I'm excited to see. This is a really exciting position for UM.
|1 week 4 days ago||It looks that way, but there's plenty of time||
I agree he seems to be trending that way right now, but at the same time he's not deciding until December. A good season on the field and/or a win in Columbus could go a long way in changing that perception IMO. This news is not good, but it ain't over yet either.
|1 week 4 days ago||Bad is stronger than good||
Of the 558 words in the English langauge that revolve around emotion 62% of them are negative. In a review of literature of more than 200 articles regarding human behavior and perception one general principle was found..."Bad is stronger than good." When people are shown photos of bad and good events, people view the bad longer. People tend to spend closer attention to bad stuff, reflect on it more, and remember it longer across many domains in life. Unfortunately it is human to pay more attention to the bad than the good in about anything in life.
|1 week 4 days ago||Shucks||
Hopefully landing Cole or Weber will ease the pain of others not making it.
|2 weeks 6 hours ago||John Cooper||
I loved that guy. I'm still holding out hope OSU brings him back.
|2 weeks 9 hours ago||Well, it's good to know the number support my gut||
I've always thought that 2014 would have a really good defense and that the offense should have really good skill players, but the o-line is still a year away. But, 2015 looks poised to finally be UM's "breakout year" where they get back to pummelling the bottom of the league and beating our rivals. I almost wish they played OSU/MSU on the road in 2015 just to stick it to them....that and they could use the help of getting them at home this year :)
|2 weeks 13 hours ago||Agreed on this one||
He seems like a really genuine good guy. In addition to being a good coach he also adopted 2 kids from the Ukraine that have a rare disorder. He also gives a lot to charity. He sold his summer lake home and said about it "We have more than we need and our ability to give is hindered by this property." So, he sold it! He's just a generally good dude from what it seems.
|2 weeks 2 days ago||Don't be so hasty||
For example you are are saying on the one hand that the defense can shut anyone down and at the same time saying it has to prove that. That doesn't exactly make sense. If they can do something they certainly must have already shown it otherwise it wouldn't need to be proven. And, if it does need to be proven, then you can't exactly make the statement as if it were true. There's no need to suggest someone can't read. Just clarify your point. It's OK to disagree. Aren't we on here to discuss this stuff? Ultimately I think we agree that this team is talented. That's really what you're saying, right? I just think you're more optimistic that this is the year the talent shows up in the W/L column where as I tend to take a "show me first, then I'll believe it" stance.
Out of curiosity, when you say "if it doesn't win at home and succeed on the road in a fashion that Michigan hasn't in years...it's curtains for this regime." what exactly do you mean? What if they win 7,8,9, etc. games does Hoke get fired? IMO if Michigan wins 8-9 games and they are competitive with the rivals I highly doubt Hoke gets fired. Maybe if they only win 7 and/or look like crap against MSU/OSU, but if this year's squad wins more games than last year's I have a hard time seeing Hoke get fired. I think it's more about how the year pans out, if it gets better or worse over the course of the season, how good/bad they look in the wins/losses etc. I don't think the record is the end all, but that's just me.
|2 weeks 2 days ago||I agree on potential, but that's not who they are...yet||
Not sure if I was Debbie Downer and Negative Nancy, but I'll bite assuming I was. Don't get me wrong, I think they have the potential, I just don't think you can say that's who they are now. Until they show it, it remains wishful thinking. FWIW I agree Gardner and the D will be really good, although I still remain somewhat skeptical about the pass rush (rushing only 4). I think the back 7 is good enough to make up for this against most teams on the schedule. But, regarding the o-line, I guess I'll beleive it when I see it. To me, this is potentially what holds the team back from breaking through. I still think this unit is another year away.
|2 weeks 2 days ago||Point(s) of contention||
You seem to assume players are what they are capable of, or maybe what their recruiting rankings were in high school. To me, they are how they play. It doesn't matter what they were ranked as recruits or are capable of. In terms of Gardner he is still a great runner, but right now he is a guy with questionable decision making who pre-determines where he's going with ball, makes questionable checks, and stares down his recievers. He has great legs and can make plays with his feet, and he can fix these issues, but until he does he's not a great QB. He is what he is...not what he could be.
Regarding the defense can shut down anyone...that also has yet to be proven. They were shredded by a number of questionable offenses. I think bringing everyone back and having game experience for a lot of sophomores and juniors they should show improvement this season, but that's not who they are, it's who they can be. Until they show they can do it, one can't assume they will.
Finally regarding the best team on paper since Carr, Hoke's first year was better unless this team proves a lot this season and the main difference is on both lines. There were a number of all conference performers on both lines. If we can get DE production from Clark/Beyer the way Roh/VanBergen played, and if we can get someone in the middle to produce the way Martin did, then we're talking. Also, we had the best center in the country in Molk and an all conference guard in Omemeh. If Kalis and whoever plays center can live up to that status that would make a world of difference, but this team will only go as far as both lines will take them. The talent at the other positions won't make a difference if the o-line can't generate room to get a consistent running game going and if the d-line can stop the run and generate some pass rush.
|2 weeks 2 days ago||DB/LB||
I'd say secondary or linebackers are agruably the best in the conference, especially with depth. How many 2nd team DBs are the likes of D. Thomas, Stribs, and Taylor (assuming Peppers and Lewis are 1st team) or at linebacker RJS and Gedeon? Those are some pretty good players that may not even be 1st string. And, that's not even including the fact that the guys starting could be the best in the conference at their position. Ryan and Countess seem poised for big years and then you have the top recruit in the country walking in. And, Morgan, Ross, Lewis, and Wilson are no slouches. The only question mark is the other safety position. I'd say LB/DB would be on this list.
|2 weeks 2 days ago||Rivals will be rivals||
I guess if our rivals weren't good UM wouldn't have rivalries with them. Time to start matching up strength with strength.
|2 weeks 3 days ago||Charlton on SDE vs WDE||
Weren't you (among others) the one that said Charlton is not an SDE when I suggested they move him over from WDE?
|2 weeks 4 days ago||Thanks, that's what I figured||
Thanks, just wasn't sure if there was room for both since it's such a small class. It seems like UM has the least depth at WDE, assuming Charlton moves down to SDE next year and Ojemudia stays at WDE. Then, it seems like just Marshall backing up at WDE and a bunch of DE/DT hybrid types backing up Charlton at SDE (Wormley, Poggi, Godin, Strobel, etc.).
|2 weeks 4 days ago||Roseboro/KLS||
Are the coaches projecting Roseboro as an SDE and would they take both him and KLS?
|2 weeks 4 days ago||When's the last time you've seen them in person?||
I have a lot of PA friends and have been to last 2 games in State College. I sported colors proudly, but was with friends from PA. I got heckled in the parking lot and some guys were pretty bad coming out of the stadium. But, at the bars and restaurants and in the stadium it was great. But, watching UM teams lately is pretty frustrating. This is no news flash, but it dapens your mood a bit when you make such an investment of time and money to see the game. It's a bit easier to get over the poor play at home. Anyways, my point is I am not going to another stadium when it requires such a trip until I am a little more confident the team will look good. I'm not gonna sit there for 3 hours and be frustrated by the fact that they can't run the ball to save their lives. I'd personally save myself the frustration. If you do go, go for the experience and be happy with just hanging out with your friends and seeing a game...don't require a win to enjoy yourself.